QueenZone discussion #1129752
How can you not like Cosmos Rocks ?
| bgordon88 12.09.2008 04:46 |
You can criticize it's lyrics, that fact that it's not Freddie and not Queen and not highly original but ....just sit back relax and listen to first class musicians making excellent music. That's the deal ... and they are not going to be with us for ever just enjoy !!!! |
| AmeriQueen 12.09.2008 04:55 |
Time To Shine and Say It's Not True are great, C-Lebrity and Time To Shine have good things about them, but Warboys, Cosmos rocks and Call Me are just so NOT-QUEEN that it's easy to feel a let down, and personally I find it less interesting than Free or Bad Company even. School's Out/Surf's Up has that Red Special juice to it and it alone gives me hope, but I just cannot fathom how solo Taylor and May clearly tops this album. At least the tour will follow, and man oh man can PR tour with Queen in a way totally fantastic, even if it's not to be parrallel with a good album. |
| bgordon88 12.09.2008 05:04 |
I honestly think the musicianship is excellent (although not very original) and that is enough for me. On a playing basis it doesn't get much better than these people. |
| The Man On The Prowl 12.09.2008 05:12 |
Say it's not true remains my fav but I like a lot also Cosmos rocking (probably Brian's), Still Burning (definitely Brian's), Small (probably Roger's), We Believe and Some Things That Glitter (they have a lot of Elton's style), Time to shine... The start of We Believe when the acoustic guitar enters reminds me the start of On My Way Up... Yes, some songs are a little crappy, like Call Me, but they are fillers, there were also in the old albums... but in the album as a whole there is no song I really dislike. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 12.09.2008 05:16 |
Fist class musicians + Paul Rodgers. Making... crappy music. It lets me down. A lot. Cheers, Hor |
| AmeriQueen 12.09.2008 07:20 |
Ummm..... I just heard the whole thing start to finish and would like to rotate in a 180 degree direction and say that album samplers and incomplete low quality tracks can really, really hide the goodies and make something great sound terrible. THIS ALBUM FREAKING ROCKS! I apologize for my misguided comments because I was totally wrong. Hooray for Brian, Roger and Paul. |
| LucTonnerre 12.09.2008 07:44 |
I don't need good quality to tell good songwriting from bad songwriting. If a song works, you can play it on a single acoustic guitar and you'll get the idea. It has always worked this way. Telling from what I've heard so far, these songs are the most boring uninspired songs I've ever heard from May and Taylor. Dull, dusty and lame. So sad to say it like that. Queen is over for good now. They used to be miles ahead from the rest, but now they're just a sad copy of a 3rd class rockband having nothing to say or to prove. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 12.09.2008 12:44 |
LucTonnerre wrote: I don't need good quality to tell good songwriting from bad songwriting. If a song works, you can play it on a single acoustic guitar and you'll get the idea. It has always worked this way. Telling from what I've heard so far, these songs are the most boring uninspired songs I've ever heard from May and Taylor. Dull, dusty and lame. So sad to say it like that. Queen is over for good now. They used to be miles ahead from the rest, but now they're just a sad copy of a 3rd class rockband having nothing to say or to prove. |
| erik41 12.09.2008 14:37 |
again im dutch so forgive my spelling but this album is great brought some tears to my eyes this is queen 2008 only thing thats wrong....its to short think its great and like freddie would say... sod ya if ya dont like it... queen is still much alive |
| April 12.09.2008 14:46 |
I very much hope the album is good! It's Queen, guys, it's still Queen, the legendary Queen, I hope they've succeeded! |
| s.m. 12.09.2008 20:17 |
erik41 wrote: and like freddie would say... sod ya if ya dont like it...is that in dutch? |
| s.m. 12.09.2008 20:18 |
April wrote: It's Queen, guys, it's still Queen, the legendary Queen,mhahhahahhaha post of the year thumbs up |
| Queenfred 12.09.2008 20:49 |
s.m. wrote:...yeah, I had a good laugh at that one too.April wrote: It's Queen, guys, it's still Queen, the legendary Queen,mhahhahahhaha post of the year thumbs up |
| Leonardo Venegas 12.09.2008 23:05 |
AWESOME album, I really enjoyed listening to this album! Forget about Queen, this is a new creature! Enjoy the music folks! Cheers!!! |
| Back2TheLight 13.09.2008 03:59 |
Yes, it's Queen+Paul Rodgers...I've been supporting them getting together since I first heard about it... I've been a Queen fan since I was 3...maybe younger, I don't really remember... I admit it, I'm guilty of downloading...but I live in the US, and I think it's crap we have to wait until the 28th of October, whereas the rest of the world gets it on the 15th...don't get me wrong, I'm happy for everybody else out there...but why do we get the shaft... I'm going to say this, and I know alot of people will hate out on me for it...yes there's a few good songs...maybe the rest will grow on me in some way, but I was not impressed. Even as Brian May being one of my biggest musical heroes and inspirations for ME being a musician, I was really let down. The album as a whole does seem weak. This band is very much capable of more than what they just put out. Quite honestly, it sounds and feels very much like product. No offense to the band, they are beyond phenomenal. As a fan, I'll be at the shows. But buying it when it comes out in October...not really sure at this point... |
| Ken8 13.09.2008 23:39 |
How can you not like Cosmos Rocks? Are you kidding? It's a very lacklustre effort. "Warboys" has to be one of the most misguided songs I've heard for years. Christ, it's not the soldiers fault, blame the people sending them into those stupid wars. The album is soooo out of touch it's embarassing. Nevermind the playing is underwhelming considering who it is. Freddie or not, this is a poor effort. Shame |
| PieterMC 13.09.2008 23:53 |
bambams-paradise wrote: I admit it, I'm guilty of downloading...but I live in the US, and I think it's crap we have to wait until the 28th of October, whereas the rest of the world gets it on the 15th...don't get me wrong, I'm happy for everybody else out there...but why do we get the shaft...You could have bought it from HMV Japan and downloaded it legally. |
| kingogre 14.09.2008 04:15 |
Great album, well done. To me it doesnt sound very different to what Id expect a Queen-album with Freddie of today to sound like. Sure theres a strong Paul Rodgers-feel, but for Gods sake hes on the album. Hes a great musician so it isnt a bad thing in my book anyway. Seems to me people have the wrong expectations. They think it will be certain sound, when they havent really done the operatic sound for 30 years anyway. And because of the level of the hitsongs they are most famous for people also expect this to be some kind of Greatest Hits 4, shockfull with surefire hitsingles, when very few of their old albums comes even close to that. To say this is AOR rock or something really only shows that you arent familiar with the music of Paul Rodgers and the blues and soulbases of it, which is far from FM-rock. Sure Paul was huge in that market, but that doesnt change the fact that there is much meaning and roots in the music he made than what the genre is known for. Queen to a large part shares the same roots, after all they came from the same place. So this record really isnt about escaping their past but rather of going back to their original roots. At heart they were always a heavy/rock band though, and that is what shines through on this album combined with the blues which was always there aswell but hidden. That is what Paul brings and that is why this is such an interesting meeting that brings out aspects of Queen that werent really obvious before. Queen were always about change, so if it sounds slightly different its nothing new. Their albums were always varied and they changed their sound from almost every record. If you dont like it, fine. I dont like all the old Queen-albums anyway. Peoples tastes vary it is the way we work, but please respect us who do like it instead of throwing insults at people, the album or the bandmembers. |
| Ken8 14.09.2008 04:26 |
Yes, my Father may like it. It's more his pace. And for the pretentious amongst us (see above) you don't have to understand Queen/Paul Rodgers and or where they're coming from at all to tell when something is a mediocre effort. Why not make a skiffle album then with this nonsense argument about going back to their roots? Despite what we were told, the Cosmos "Rocks" about as hard as Phil Collins. ...and you know, oddly, considering they've been around so long, you'd think they'd realise there would only be one guy who could've gotten away with a line about "Loving a butterfly", but sadly he's no longer with us. |
| Tero 14.09.2008 04:39 |
bgordon88 wrote: How can you not like Cosmos Rocks ?It's pretty easy actually. All it requires is for the band to make unmemorable and unimpressive songs, and me to listen to them and realise how little they have to offer. From the perspective of a general music fan there aren't any hooks or choruses to entice me. From the perspective of a Queen fan the album offers me nothing more than repeats of previous solo songs. So yes, it might have technically proficient musicians, but the material itself doesn't "do it" for me... That's how I can not like Cosmos Rocks. |
| john bodega 14.09.2008 05:00 |
kingogre wrote: ... please respect us who do like it instead of throwing insults at people, the album or the bandmembers.I hate to say this, but that'll be the day. |
| kingogre 14.09.2008 06:12 |
Ken8 wrote: Yes, my Father may like it. It's more his pace. And for the pretentious amongst us (see above) you don't have to understand Queen/Paul Rodgers and or where they're coming from at all to tell when something is a mediocre effort. Why not make a skiffle album then with this nonsense argument about going back to their roots? Despite what we were told, the Cosmos "Rocks" about as hard as Phil Collins. ...and you know, oddly, considering they've been around so long, you'd think they'd realise there would only be one guy who could've gotten away with a line about "Loving a butterfly", but sadly he's no longer with us.Yes, but they are the same age as your father. There is nothing surprising that they who are about the same age makes music that appeals to him when they have the same preferences about what is good music. My point about the roots was that people say it doesnt sound like Queen, when it actually has a lot to do with where that band came from. Mediocre or not only depends on what you like to listen to. And there seems to be plenty of people who really enjoy this. |
| Dan C. 14.09.2008 08:37 |
I hate this album... but more than that, I REALLY like it. Ha! I think "Small" may be my favorite track on the album so far. |
| Erin 14.09.2008 10:32 |
Dan Corson IX: Dark Blue wrote: I hate this album... but more than that, I REALLY like it. Ha!You hate it, but you like it? I'm confused. :'-( |
| April 14.09.2008 14:26 |
s.m. wrote:I am a newbie here, what's so funny about the post? I want to have a laugh too! I don't mind being the cause...April wrote: It's Queen, guys, it's still Queen, the legendary Queen,mhahhahahhaha post of the year thumbs up I don't have the album yet, but i will buy it tomorrow and will be able to judge for myself. I hope they don't sound like authentic Queen, by no means... |
| bgordon88 14.09.2008 15:26 |
..thiesremnds me of the debate over Hot Space. Although this album isn't so different ...... is it ? |
| vadenuez 14.09.2008 15:59 |
It's different in one sense: If you dare saying something negative about The Cosmos Rocks or give it a bad review, the stepford fans will jump on you, call you names and tell you to fuck off. If you bash Hot Space instead, those same stepford fans will agree with you and cheerfully join you in the album bashing. |
| April 14.09.2008 16:03 |
vadenuez wrote: It's different in one sense: If you dare saying something negative about The Cosmos Rocks or give it a bad review, the stepford fans will jump on you, call you names and tell you to fuck off. If you bash Hot Space instead, those same stepford fans will agree with you and cheerfully join you in the album bashing.As for me I like passionate people, staunch fans... |
| Dan C. 14.09.2008 17:38 |
Erin wrote:EXACTLY.Dan Corson IX: Dark Blue wrote: I hate this album... but more than that, I REALLY like it. Ha!You hate it, but you like it? I'm confused. :'-( |
| Ken8 14.09.2008 23:34 |
kingogre wrote:Ken8 wrote: Yes, my Father may like it. It's more his pace. And for the pretentious amongst us (see above) you don't have to understand Queen/Paul Rodgers and or where they're coming from at all to tell when something is a mediocre effort. Why not make a skiffle album then with this nonsense argument about going back to their roots? Despite what we were told, the Cosmos "Rocks" about as hard as Phil Collins. ...and you know, oddly, considering they've been around so long, you'd think they'd realise there would only be one guy who could've gotten away with a line about "Loving a butterfly", but sadly he's no longer with us.Yes, but they are the same age as your father. There is nothing surprising that they who are about the same age makes music that appeals to him when they have the same preferences about what is good music/QUOTE] |
| kingogre 15.09.2008 02:52 |
It actually sounds very much like what they play live. Its 30 years since they did the operatic thing and 25 since the synth-pop, they wouldnt have done that now no matter what. |
| Ken8 15.09.2008 03:29 |
kingogre wrote: It actually sounds very much like what they play live.It does? If those genres you point to have been "done", why then continue to play them live? Because to the majority of people, that's Queen. So why continue to use the name in any context, then deliver something so different, and more tellingly, so lame? I can imagine the response if "Bo Rap" "AOBTD" or "WWRY"/"WATC" were dropped from the tour playlist in favour of Cosmos Rocks tracks. |
| P-Staker 15.09.2008 03:33 |
I'm in love with the album. Three rocks legends taking best elements of Queen and Bad Company and creating something fresh - with passion you'd expect from a much younger band. Sure, it's not Queen - but it's a living, breathing, creative band with ideas and chemistry. It's Brian and Roger's first coherent project after 1995. Brian and Roger haven't lost their magic, and Paul is better than ever, IMO. Sure, it's mainstream - but mainstream at its best, rock and blues tunes going to the gut. I think Warboys is an even match for any Iron Maiden track, and Small would've been a welcome addition to any Queen album. I understand music critics will shit on this so they appear clever and cynical. But I'm just a guy who loves good music, and I'm happy I have a new album to add to my collection of classics. |
| Ken8 15.09.2008 03:34 |
kingogre wrote: Its 30 years since they did the operatic thing and 25 since the synth-pop, they wouldnt have done that now no matter what.LOL! But a while back you were saying the blues influence was a return to their roots..... So they wouldn't return to the classic Queen style, that was 25-30 years ago, but they'd return to their blues roots that nobody cares for. |
| kingogre 15.09.2008 04:50 |
P-Staker wrote: I'm in love with the album. Three rocks legends taking best elements of Queen and Bad Company and creating something fresh - with passion you'd expect from a much younger band. Sure, it's not Queen - but it's a living, breathing, creative band with ideas and chemistry. It's Brian and Roger's first coherent project after 1995. Brian and Roger haven't lost their magic, and Paul is better than ever, IMO. Sure, it's mainstream - but mainstream at its best, rock and blues tunes going to the gut. I think Warboys is an even match for any Iron Maiden track, and Small would've been a welcome addition to any Queen album. I understand music critics will shit on this so they appear clever and cynical. But I'm just a guy who loves good music, and I'm happy I have a new album to add to my collection of classics.Well said |
| john bodega 15.09.2008 05:17 |
As far as returning to 'roots' go, nostaliga trips are inevitable; most musicians go that route, if they live long enough that is. Hell, the oldies medley they did on the Magic tour was surely a sign that the guys in Queen were getting on in years... Though, I liked that medley more than this new album. That's just me though. |
| Holly2003 15.09.2008 07:45 |
Look people, Fred's dead and he's not coming back, not even as a zombie. I mean, they cremated him so unless zombies can rise from ashes then he's gone. And even if he was to somehow come back as a zombie, maybe with John Deacon using some black magic rituals or something, I don't think Fred would be in any fit shape to sing. In fact, according to the Zombie Survival Guide the most we're likely to get from him is some horrible moans. Let's face it, the only song that's likely to improve is Chinese Torture. And even if the movies are true and Fred was somehow able to utter the word "brains" that's hardly a recipe for future lyrical success. There's only so many ways you can incorporate "brains.....ugghhh....brains....uggghhh....brains...." etc into a song and still make it catchy enough to get played on Radio Two. |
| cmsdrums 15.09.2008 15:05 |
Firstly, I think it's great that Brian and Roger are finally recording again together after all the years away from doing new material. Yes, there are some songs which I don't care for as much as others, but some of the songs I really like. The album sounds good (sonically), and you can feel the rawness of a lot of the live takes going on. Compared to their contemporaries (the Rolling Stones for example), the album actually sounds fresh and modern, although with a classic song style. Unfortunately by using the name Queen (I can see the pluses and minuses)a pre conceived idea is set as to what it should sound like, and therefore some fans, and virtually ALL critics, have made their mind up as to what it should sound like before listening to it. I think that Roger and Brian should be congratulated for being 'brave' enough to deviate from their familiar style and sound and record the songs that they, together with Paul, wanted to. There are still moments like the solos on Voodoo and Still Burnin' that see Brian trying new things and new styles after all these years. I'm not a huge fan of Paul Rodgers, and find his voice a little limited in terms of the styles he can tackle, but he sounds on form here. It would be interesting to look up some of Paul's website forums and see what his fans think, and how they compare it to his past material. |
| bgordon88 17.09.2008 09:18 |
cmsdrums wrote: Firstly, I think it's great that Brian and Roger are finally recording again together after all the years away from doing new material. Yes, there are some songs which I don't care for as much as others, but some of the songs I really like. The album sounds good (sonically), and you can feel the rawness of a lot of the live takes going on. Compared to their contemporaries (the Rolling Stones for example), the album actually sounds fresh and modern, although with a classic song style. Unfortunately by using the name Queen (I can see the pluses and minuses)a pre conceived idea is set as to what it should sound like, and therefore some fans, and virtually ALL critics, have made their mind up as to what it should sound like before listening to it. I think that Roger and Brian should be congratulated for being 'brave' enough to deviate from their familiar style and sound and record the songs that they, together with Paul, wanted to. There are still moments like the solos on Voodoo and Still Burnin' that see Brian trying new things and new styles after all these years. I'm not a huge fan of Paul Rodgers, and find his voice a little limited in terms of the styles he can tackle, but he sounds on form here. It would be interesting to look up some of Paul's website forums and see what his fans think, and how they compare it to his past material.Well put...... if you are a fan of good music (rather than just Queen) you will like this album. It's lyrics are not great but the playing and singing are first class and no it is not in the league of the first 5/6 Queen albums but what is ? |
| L-R-TIGER1994 17.09.2008 10:56 |
so it is a MUST?we ALL must love Paul Rodgers and the Rosmos Cock!!! |
| bgordon88 17.09.2008 11:01 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: so it is a MUST?we ALL must love Paul Rodgers and the Rosmos Cock!!!...now you're getting it ;-) |
| Poo, again 17.09.2008 11:22 |
I haven't even heard it. And I don't ever want to hear it. |
| john bodega 17.09.2008 12:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: I'm not a huge fan of Paul Rodgers, and find his voice a little limited in terms of the styles he can tackle, but he sounds on form here. It would be interesting to look up some of Paul's website forums and see what his fans think, and how they compare it to his past material.Fuck, I totally didn't think of that. I wonder what 'the other half' are saying about this album? |
| john bodega 17.09.2008 12:31 |
link My first impression is that they're going a bit easier on it than we are. Anyone want to sign up and say hi? Hahaha. |
| L-R-TIGER1994 17.09.2008 12:36 |
His fans will say that the album is great of course,they can compare it with other albums,but we are Queen fans and some people may like it or not,we can't compare this with any of Queen albums cos it's a different thing,I don't care too much what they think,I know what I think of the album. |
| drwinston 17.09.2008 16:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: link My first impression is that they're going a bit easier on it than we are. Anyone want to sign up and say hi? Hahaha.Ha! They are saying that Paul has a really good backing band. At first I was slightly offended as a Queen fan of course, but now that I think about it they are right. In fact, I remember thinking when I saw some of their shows from the last tour that these could be the best musicians that he has ever stood in front of. |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 13.12.2008 00:27 |
Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen". |
| lalaalalaa 13.12.2008 00:28 |
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen". OMG JUST FORGET ABOUT THE F*CKIN NAME AND FOCUS ON THE MUSIC |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 13.12.2008 00:31 |
lalaalalaa wrote:«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen".OMG JUST FORGET ABOUT THE F*CKIN NAME AND FOCUS ON THE MUSIC FUCK THAT! I would if it was worth listening too!! Paul Rodgers SUCKS!! |
| lalaalalaa 13.12.2008 00:35 |
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote:lalaalalaa wrote:FUCK THAT! I would if it was worth listening too!! Paul Rodgers SUCKS!!«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen".OMG JUST FORGET ABOUT THE F*CKIN NAME AND FOCUS ON THE MUSIC That's your opinion. I happen to think he is a GREAT singer. The album is definately worth listening to. |
| P-Staker 13.12.2008 07:19 |
You're STILL discussing this?!?! Fuck, you're broken. |
| inu-liger 13.12.2008 07:20 |
Does a broken record ever stop skipping when played? |
| happiness? 16995 14.12.2008 19:05 |
«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote:lalaalalaa wrote:FUCK THAT! I would if it was worth listening too!! Paul Rodgers SUCKS!!«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen".OMG JUST FORGET ABOUT THE F*CKIN NAME AND FOCUS ON THE MUSIC Let's forget the fact that Paul Rodgers outside of Queen is one the most respected and legendary vocalists in his own right. You don't have to like him but to say he 'sucks'? Way off! |
| Ken8 14.12.2008 20:26 |
lalaalalaa wrote:«¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» wrote: Its easy not to like it. Just because the name Queen is on the album doesn't make it "Queen".OMG JUST FORGET ABOUT THE F*CKIN NAME AND FOCUS ON THE MUSIC You don't have much to hang onto there either. Just focusing on the music doesn't fill you with admiration for the work. Yes, Rodgers is a respected, legendary vocalist. May & Taylor are held in the same esteem in their fields. The combination of the three of them, no matter what they call themselves, has resulted in an underwhelming musical collaboration. Still, it could be worse. Rodgers could still look like he did when he was in "The Firm" |
| happiness? 16995 14.12.2008 21:28 |
Ken8 wrote:You don't have much to hang onto there either. Just focusing on the music doesn't fill you with admiration for the work. Yes, Rodgers is a respected, legendary vocalist. May & Taylor are held in the same esteem in their fields. The combination of the three of them, no matter what they call themselves, has resulted in an underwhelming musical collaboration. Still, it could be worse. Rodgers could still look like he did when he was in "The Firm" It's an interesting one really. I like the album but then again I like Paul's past stuff as well as Queen's. People may blame the lyrics as a source of the album's problems but I think (and again this is from someone who likes the album) that 'TCR' fails to capture the sheer power of Q+PR live. As a regular gig-goer I thought their gig at Newcastle this year was nothing short of phenomenal and thought many of the Cosmos tracks were great live. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's underwhelming but I can understand those who may think that when comparing it to say 'Sheer Heart Attack' or 'Innuendo' (even if the comparison is a bit unfair) |
| Marcos Napier 15.12.2008 10:03 |
I think Warboys is an even match for any Iron Maiden track A rabbi, a priest and a Queen fan walk into a bar... |