| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 14:27 |
I do. This is even worse than Hot Space. They've lost all personality in their music. Cheers, Hor |
| princetom 09.09.2008 15:05 |
nope. for what is known yet it consists of quite uplifting numbers of a certain quality. can't compare it to any queen-album (aswell as you cannot compare 'smile' to 'queen' !). only the visual artwork sucks |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 15:12 |
Brian's play sucks, from what I've heard. This is the worst that could ever happen to Queen. Cheers, hro |
| Going Back 09.09.2008 15:14 |
Bad Horsie wrote: Brian's play sucks, from what I've heard. This is the worst that could ever happen to Queen. Cheers, hrofrom what you've heard ? you haven't heard it yourself and you say it sucks, nice one (Y) |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 15:38 |
Bad Horsie wrote: I do. This is even worse than Hot Space. Very amusing to read that from someone who wasn't even alive when Hot Space was released. I'm sure at 19 you're a real music expert. |
| Rien 09.09.2008 15:39 |
bad, bad horsie! |
| Micrówave 09.09.2008 15:40 |
Bad Horsie wrote: This is even worse than Hot Space.Man, you're not helping things. Comments like that only make me want to hear it more. MORE Hot Space |
| Pim Derks 09.09.2008 15:42 |
It sucks. I wish Freddy was still here cause Brain and Rodger are shit without him. Jhon Deakon made the right choice. Freddy we miss you!!! Queen 4ever!!! |
| Russian Headlong 09.09.2008 15:53 |
I strongly suspect it will be one of their best and most consistent albums ever! Having hear Clebrity, Cosmos Rocks, Call me and Sint, It bodes well. Hot Space with the exception of Under Pressure, Las Palabras and Put Out the Fire was a steaming pile of cack! |
| Tero 09.09.2008 16:18 |
Russian Headlong wrote: I strongly suspect it will be one of their best and most consistent albums ever! Having hear Clebrity, Cosmos Rocks, Call me and Sint, It bodes well.Is this thinly veiled sarcasm, or are actually being serious? Say It's Not True and C-Lebrity bodes well? For Britney Spears possibly! |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 16:44 |
Going Back wrote:I've heard 5 or 6 songs from the album. Friends of mine have listened to it complete.Bad Horsie wrote: Brian's play sucks, from what I've heard. This is the worst that could ever happen to Queen. Cheers, hrofrom what you've heard ? you haven't heard it yourself and you say it sucks, nice one (Y) Brian's playing is bad... I can't believe it. Paul goes out of tune a few times but nothing too bad. Cheers, Hor |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 16:45 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:Do I have to be old to say what I think and what I clearly hear?Bad Horsie wrote: I do. This is even worse than Hot Space.Very amusing to read that from someone who wasn't even alive when Hot Space was released. I'm sure at 19 you're a real music expert. Idiot. Cheers, Hor |
| Rick 09.09.2008 16:50 |
Nothing wrong with Hot Space. |
| PieterMC 09.09.2008 16:50 |
Bad Horsie wrote:Now your just talking crap.Going Back wrote:I've heard 5 or 6 songs from the album. Friends of mine have listened to it complete. Brian's playing is bad... I can't believe it. Paul goes out of tune a few times but nothing too bad. Cheers, HorBad Horsie wrote: Brian's play sucks, from what I've heard. This is the worst that could ever happen to Queen. Cheers, hrofrom what you've heard ? you haven't heard it yourself and you say it sucks, nice one (Y) |
| Spawnie Boy 09.09.2008 17:03 |
definitively not, I think the one that SUCKS is YOU |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 17:14 |
Ok, if you're gonna buy shit just because it says "QUEEN" on it, it's ok. I'm still very upset about Brian playing sloppy. Very upset, very sad about that. And the songs are the lamest shit ever. I expected at least SOMETHING from Brian. This only shows that Queen was Freddie Mercury. And Smile was Tim Staffel. You leave them alone and look what they do! Cheers, Hor |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 17:31 |
Bad Horsie wrote: This only shows that Queen was Freddie Mercury.And the truth will out. You're one of *those*. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 17:35 |
Bad Horsie wrote:No, but you have to be older than 19 to have any taste one way or the other, especially if you want anybody to take your opinion seriously. Especially about recordings that are seven years older than you are. But I would absolutely take seriously your opinion of whatever little Japanese cartoon you have for your profile picture :-)Ray D O'Gaga wrote:Do I have to be old to say what I think and what I clearly hear?Bad Horsie wrote: I do. This is even worse than Hot Space.Very amusing to read that from someone who wasn't even alive when Hot Space was released. I'm sure at 19 you're a real music expert. Idiot. Cheers,Well at least he's polite. Cheers, you dumb Hor! |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 17:46 |
Bad Horsie wrote: This is the worst that could ever happen to Queen.Yeah, Freddie dying of AIDS wasn't nearly as bad. Very keen observation. I'm really starting to like you. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 17:55 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:One of those? I fucking play guitar because Brian May made me want to do it, not because I think Queen was Mercury.Bad Horsie wrote: This only shows that Queen was Freddie Mercury.And the truth will out. You're one of *those*. Brian recorded a wonderful solo album, he's very capable of creating amazing music. Doesn't need anybody else to write songs for him, he fucking can do one hell of a job. Teaming up with Paul Rodgers shows he wants an easy way out. If he was to sing, people would expect what we all like about Queen: good music. He put Paul Rodgers and then he wrote crappy CRAPPY songs that it's obvious he wrote in less than 20 minutes. And played them sloppy. Songs that have absolutely nothing to do with what he's done all of his life, don't even sound like Queen. I can only think that the only person capable of making him work at his best, pushing him to do a good work, was Freddie. Brian can write 40 Cosmos Rocks per week. I don't want an easy way out, I want him to do what he's good at. I admire his work and his musical abilities. If he doesn't want to write any more music, I'd be sad but it's ok. BUT THIS?!?! THIS WILL NOT DO!! He has to understand that this is exactly what Queen avoided sucessfully: being another bastard rock band of the bunch. And now he's killing Queen. He's guilty, not Paul Rodgers. Paul is just doing his job. I have waited the release of a Queen album, ALL OF MY FUCKING LIFE. And this is what we all get? He's shitting on his career and on our heads. Shitting a huge diarreah ocean. He must be angry at the world and he's taking revenge, dissapointing us all and breaking our hearts, in one way or another. Writting crappy songs and playing sloppy. I truly can't believe it. I always admired him for his work... and now I don't have anything left to admire him for, because he only sings a few lines in Say It's Not True so you can't say that at least he's done a good vocal job. And you, dear, are obviously an asshole, judging me by my age. You are a sad cunt, really. Cheers, Hor |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:00 |
i liked hot space,loved back chat ,body language,cool cat,calling all girls.hell i loved the album.the new one,dont like the slow so much from what i heard,like still burnin,cosmos rocking,c-leb,and love time to shine.give it chance to grow on you. |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:01 |
o i forgot action this day and staying power lol. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 18:17 |
You people are all doomed... But I'm glad for you, you'll never be dissapointed since you have no ambition at all. You'd love anything with the Queen name on it. Cheers, Hor |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 18:22 |
Bad Horsie wrote:Ray D O'Gaga wrote:One of those? I fucking play guitar because Brian May made me want to do it, not because I think Queen was Mercury.Bad Horsie wrote: This only shows that Queen was Freddie Mercury.And the truth will out. You're one of *those*. Bad Horsie wrote: This only shows that Queen was Freddie Mercury.Your words, sonny. The Cult of Fred lives. I'd recommend against taking his Holy Sacrement though. Bad Horsie wrote: And you, dear, are obviously an asshole, judging me by my age. You are a sad cunt, really.Oh I'm an asshole for so many reasons, in addition to judging you by your age. That one barely scratches the surface, dear. But I *do* take issue with your reference to me as a "sad cunt". I'm actually quite a happy cunt. I'd have thought, with that lifetime of 19 years of worldly wisdom you've under your guitar strap, you'd have picked up on that, you silly Hor :-) |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 18:29 |
Did you read what I wrote? Of course not. Asshole, I don't want to argue with an idiot like you. I'd rather waste my time in another thing. Cheers, Hor |
| happiness? 16995 09.09.2008 18:30 |
From what I've heard of the album I'm really chuffed with it. This isn't a Queen album with Paul's vocals on- its a Queen and PAUL RODGERS album. By that I mean it isn't simply 80s Queen with Paul's vocals, they seem to want to take a risk and actually make music that we wouldn't always associate with Queen (Time to Shine springs to mind)and that's a great thing. In a weird way I love the fact that some fans dislike this album- not because they shouldn't like it but it shows that the band aren't just a karaoke version of what Queen were with Freddie- they are an entity of their own with Paul that some fans are going to love, some are going to hate and others are going to let pass by. For me it's testament to the music and the legacies of both Queen AND Paul Rodgers that people are praising/bashing/defending the new album so vigourously... I'll stop wittering on now... thumbs up from me! |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 18:30 |
Bad Horsie wrote: Did you read what I wrote? Of course not. Asshole, I don't want to argue with an idiot like you. I'd rather waste my time in another thing. Cheers, HorNow you've hurt my feelings. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Take care, you sad Hor. |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:30 |
this new album.whether it be queen or queen+paul rodgers is going to come down to personal taste.me i dont mind whicheverway it works out,i like queen i like paul rodgers,not a problem for me.i will listen to it complete when i get it in the post.and more important i will take my 2 kids to the secc in glasgow and show a ten year old and a sixteen year old what real music is about.long live queen or long live queen+paul.just enjoy the music and stop trying to compare two diffrent singers.we all have diffrent opinions so lets not crusify eachother for our personal choices.just enjoy. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 18:33 |
Crucifiction is such irresitible fun though! :o) |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 18:33 |
This can't be enyojed, it's pure crap. This has nothing to do with Queen. Cheers, Hor |
| Ray D O'Gaga 09.09.2008 18:34 |
Bad Horsie wrote: This can't be enyojed, it's pure crap. This has nothing to do with Queen. Cheers, HorWait! Wait! Call everybody back in! He's BACK! The Hor is back for more! Do share your wisdom with us :-) |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:37 |
horsie.now behave or you are going to get a spanking you young whipper snapper.calm down.and remember........................it's only a blody record,people get so excited about these things. |
| QueenSite 09.09.2008 18:39 |
actually I liked Hot Space, I even liked Body language when it was played by the radios, but I was very young ;-) From what I've heard, I like Still burnin and Time to shine, while I think Call me is VERY silly and the reason why it was included instead of stuff like Take love is beyond me. But anyway, of course we can't judge until we hear the whole thing properly and in full. |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:42 |
of course we can't judge until we hear the whole thing properly and in full...........agreed |
| QueenSite 09.09.2008 18:48 |
Bad Horsie wrote: I can only think that the only person capable of making him work at his best, pushing him to do a good work, was Freddie. ... I have waited the release of a Queen album, ALL OF MY FUCKING LIFE. And this is what we all get? ....This horse has been beaten to death. Queen was not just Freddie (let's say it, even Freddie wrote some crappy stuff here and there), but a chemistry of 4 musicians. Of course Queen + PR is something different, can't be compared to any previous stuff. But I admire the fact that they tried to write together and create something at 60. They could have started a 3 years of tour without new material, but they took the risk, and a big one. Of course no Queen+Pr record could be even remotely compared to any past Queen album. But, again, I appreciate the courage. For a inal judgement, I wait until I have the cd in my hands |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 18:55 |
as for the live tour.cmon lets face it we get the chance to see some of the greatest names in rock on tour.may taylor and rodgers.when will we ever get the chance to see them again,when will my kids get to see them again.your parents told you of the greatest nights when they saw cliff or the beatles.lets not slap this combination down but enjoy the fact the combination of three yes three(BAD COMPANY.FREE AND QUEEN)come together to entertain us all.get a fucking grip and enjoy what could be a fantastic combination of music. |
| QueenSite 09.09.2008 18:59 |
yes, it could have been worse. It could have been Queen + Will Young... or even worse, Queen + Zucchero ;-) |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 19:01 |
lol-or queen+horsie lol |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 09.09.2008 19:02 |
I don't like their new stuff. I don't like Paul Rodgers. I'm not going to see them on the tour. And I doubt I will buy the album. There, I said it. |
| 123richie 09.09.2008 19:07 |
well mate you are intitled to have your personal vue on things but how the hell is he shitting on his career? and us? what a load of bullshit brian may can do what ever he likes hes only human if you dont like it thats fine times changes and brian just oviously is trying to keep with the times. of whats going on around him now |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 19:08 |
enough.if the music of queen has to continue we have to move on whether it be queen+ or just queen we must accept the outcome.personaly i like the idea of queen+...........whether it be paul or another singer(i liked the guy from party at the palace).we must move on.the people who say queen was fred,well thats there choice but me here.i dont mind .in 5 10 or 15 years time i want my kids to say........i was at a queen concert and it was fucking magic......... |
| anna_libra 09.09.2008 19:11 |
Brave one Freya :) |
| Winter Land Man 09.09.2008 19:15 |
He's shitting on his career and on our heads. Shitting a huge diarreah ocean.LOL! |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 19:16 |
thats freyas personal choice....its all a personal thing....i wont argue with freya.its his or her choice and i respect it,but i will not go with a person who has never heard or seen queen+paul or any other combination |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 09.09.2008 19:20 |
I went to see Q+PR in 2005 and it was great but, I just don't like Paul Rodgers' style. Nothing against them carrying on, I think that's great. I'm just not a fan, and I think the "fad" of having Queen back has worn off for me. |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 19:26 |
again its personal choice.queen or queen+-i dont mind |
| david (galashiels) 09.09.2008 19:26 |
again its personal choice.queen or queen+-i dont mind |
| queenie-taylor 09.09.2008 19:30 |
Oh hell, talk about mixed opinions! To be honest I haven't herd it yet and I have resisted listening to it on the album club, what I will say is: I can't wait for it to drop through my letter box and get it blasting through the speakers!! Happy days!! |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 09.09.2008 21:13 |
sad, sad reading this is I wont give my opinion since am staying clear from album related stuff til I buy it. But u guys shouldnt fight, thats childish |
| maridonna 09.09.2008 22:03 |
oh God! I dont care! horsie I'm with you!! cosmos rocks sucks!!! |
| Matías 09.09.2008 22:04 |
maridonna wrote: oh God! I dont care! horsie I'm with you!! cosmos rocks suchs!!!Que manera de hablar pelotudeces eh! Seguro que ni escuchastes el disco. Y bue...sigan así. Ignorantes. |
| maridonna 09.09.2008 22:08 |
hasta ahora los 6 temas q he escuchado estan por debajo de mis espectativas. pd: no me importa si Brian lee esto, no soy chupamedias como los de aca. |
| Matías 09.09.2008 22:10 |
Bad Horsie wrote: This can't be enyojed, it's pure crap. This has nothing to do with Queen. Cheers, HorTe iba a escribir en inglés jajaja hasta que vi tu profile... Che..hacenos un favor y dejá de hablar pelotudeces. Si no escuchastes el disco completo...no opines, callate la boca. Si pensás que las guitarras de Brian en el disco son basura estás muy equivocado, te sugiero que escuches el solo de Some Things That Glitter. Toma esto como algo nuevo! No esperes un Innuendo o un A Night At The Opera...y dejá que la gente tenga su opinión...no pretendas cambiar la de nadie... No te gusta...listo! Dejá de joder. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 09.09.2008 22:11 |
Muy por debajo. Es la bosta más bastardeada que pueda existir. Realmente es lo peor que hicieron en sus carreras. Cheers, Hor |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 10.09.2008 00:02 |
yo tambien kiero hablar en español!!!! |
| masterstroke_84 10.09.2008 00:45 |
anda a ver a DSR maridonna... Horsie's opinion is valid, because he knows what he's talking about and I agree in almost everything he says (even I'm #1 Q+PR fan and he knows it...), but my feeling about the album is good and I will be happy as hell when I get it, no matter what... we ALL know that Bri & Rog can give better material than this... but is their choice what to do (in this case an average rock n roll album with the great PR and a few brilliant moments), but passion and objetives views don't go hand in hand... at least in my case... Peace!. P. |
| Knute 10.09.2008 01:25 |
I don't agree at all. The OP seems to be obsessed with musical precision. This isn't Lizst or Vivaldi for cryin' out loud. It's rock n' roll. I much rather have soul and feeling. Give me a bit of sloppiness and real emotion over laser-like accuracy any day. Also these guys are at that stage in their lives where they are going to have fun and not get uptight about perfection in every note like they did in their twenties. Right now they feel like kicking off their shoes and doing a hoedown on the front porch while swigging some moonshine from a dirty fruit jar. Ya know? There's a real warmth in that and that's what they are going for and I'm glad they are. |
| john bodega 10.09.2008 01:39 |
I dunno, there's a difference between playing with feel and playing with balls-to-the-wall sloppiness. Also; I'm not sure how accuracy is measured when somebody else is playing their own music. The guitar solo in C-Lebrity, while far from being the cleverest thing Brian's ever written, is far from sloppy. I would appreciate some specific examples from Horsie here, so that I know what to listen for when the album comes along. |
| mike hunt 10.09.2008 01:57 |
david (galashiels) wrote: o i forgot action this day and staying power lol.It's always good seeing someone who doesn't call hot space crap, it's not my favorite queen album, but it does have some good moments. One of my favorite queen songs is cool cat, though most queen fans hate it. One of freddie's best albums vocally IMO. Also, the cosmo rocks, I could only comment on the songs I'v heard. I don't like celebrity at all. Say it's not true is an average at best ballad. I heard good things about 'still burnin' but then I heard it and was disapointed, it's maybe a little better than average. I wasn't gonna run out and buy this album until I heard 'time to shine' I liked it, finally a song that gives me hope for the new album. I still think this album will have some great moments like warboys and the title track (even with it's silly lryics). Better than hot space?...No way my friends. Just because an album is more rock with loud guitars and drums doesn't make it better. 'Body language' rocks! |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 02:09 |
Hes clearly only here to provoke. No one who even knows what a guitar looks like could say these things, much less have ears.:) |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 02:31 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I dunno, there's a difference between playing with feel and playing with balls-to-the-wall sloppiness. Also; I'm not sure how accuracy is measured when somebody else is playing their own music. The guitar solo in C-Lebrity, while far from being the cleverest thing Brian's ever written, is far from sloppy. I would appreciate some specific examples from Horsie here, so that I know what to listen for when the album comes along.The final lick on Time To Shine is pretty sloppy, I was sadly surprised. The studio version of C-Lebrity has tiny rhythmic mistakes on the rhythm guitar... while tiny, they're still there. But the slide solo on Still Burning is very fucking out of tune!! I can't believe it. Cheers, Hor |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 02:31 |
kingogre wrote: Hes clearly only here to provoke. No one who even knows what a guitar looks like could say these things, much less have ears.:)Wanna bet? Cheers, Hor |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 02:52 |
Remember, this is the same guy who is dead certain Jimmy Page cant really play the guitar.;) |
| runner70 10.09.2008 04:14 |
kingogre wrote: Remember, this is the same guy who is dead certain Jimmy Page cant really play the guitar.;)I seriously ask myself why a TROLL like this gets attention over 4 pages! Sad but true! |
| Queenman!! 10.09.2008 04:24 |
I think the album isn't that bad. I agree with the solo's from Brian, as I stated in an earlier mail. Nothing wrong with it, but I much more like his solo's on Innuendo en Made in Heaven. The solo on the Cosmos Rocks misses the great speed licks which Brian was good at. |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 04:31 |
I totally agree with bad horsie. This is the worst album, that may and taylor could have made. pathetic crap, that's what i call it. i'm not gonna buy it and i will for sure not gonna see them live. don't get me wrong, i loved queen all of my life but this is the end. be happy with this load of crap, sing along, dance, see them live. i'm outta here. thanks brian and roger for incredible music in the 70's and partly in the 80s. shame on you for this. thanks and deepest respect to joh deacon for staying out of this joke. and paul rodgers? who are you anyway? |
| Raf 10.09.2008 05:02 |
Treasure Horsie? Bad Moment? |
| Raf 10.09.2008 05:03 |
kingogre wrote: Remember, this is the same guy who is dead certain Jimmy Page cant really play the guitar.;)Ditto |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 05:06 |
Raf wrote: Treasure Horsie? Bad Moment?Rookie. Cheers, Hor |
| s.m. 10.09.2008 05:09 |
this is fun stuff let s keep it going for at least 10 more pages |
| The Mir@cle 10.09.2008 05:18 |
Rick wrote: Nothing wrong with Hot Space.Beside that (I agree), what do we expect? It's not a Queen album, it's a Queen + Paul Rodgers album. Shame that Brian didn't have much time to work on the album. In a Dutch paper he said that he hasn't been able to invest too much time into this album, because the musical and his study took him too much time. Still I look forward to have the album. With my expectations not too high, I probably will like it as well ;-) Bad Horsie wrote: This can't be enyojed, it's pure crap. This has nothing to do with Queen. Cheers, HorLike I said, it's not a Queen album. If a Queen album is the only thing that satisfies you, don't buy it and stick with A Night At The Opera... Just don't buy it, but please stop wining. ;-) |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 05:35 |
It's just that I can not understand anyone that likes this album. When you're a Queen fan (and these people will be attracted to this album the most, the others will just not care) you are used to much better material. It's not about Queen or not Queen but for me it's about 2 people of the greatest band ever producing an album that is so dull and boring that it makes me sad. How can any Queen fan possibly be happy with this collection of (not even worthy) b-sides? And if Brian May doesn't have the time to do a proper album, then just don't do it. That's not very respectful towards the fans, is it? "Well, I know it's crap, but I didn't have time to do better, but our fans will buy it anyway!" Come on people, you can't be serious! |
| The Mir@cle 10.09.2008 05:50 |
LucTonnerre wrote: It's just that I can not understand anyone that likes this album. When you're a Queen fan (and these people will be attracted to this album the most, the others will just not care) you are used to much better material. It's not about Queen or not Queen but for me it's about 2 people of the greatest band ever producing an album that is so dull and boring that it makes me sad. How can any Queen fan possibly be happy with this collection of (not even worthy) b-sides? And if Brian May doesn't have the time to do a proper album, then just don't do it. That's not very respectful towards the fans, is it? "Well, I know it's crap, but I didn't have time to do better, but our fans will buy it anyway!" Come on people, you can't be serious!But how bad is it actually? There are a few songs I do like already, and I haven't heard the whole album yet. I have to agree, some songs miss the Queen sound. But that's what happens if you record an album with Paul Rodgers. His sound is definitely strongly present, but what do you expect? As a Queen fan I like other bands as well and buy their records.. even though I'm used to much better (Queen) material. This album isn't about making money. Brian and Roger made more money with the musical than they ever did selling records! And I guess they had a nice bank account already. Brian, Roger and Paul just made a record because they like to. A different sound, a different approach. Maybe not what we Queen fans hoped for, still not bad. |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 06:09 |
I'm honest, that I don't like Rodgers at all, nor FREE or BAD COMPANY. But that's not the point. Brian and Roger both wrote great Songs for Queen. Compare THE PROPHET SONG to the new material... if you can at all.. it's just so sad to see what happened. It can't be that Brian and Roger lost their skills or their ideas, right? After all, the things that Brian did to Queen music in the last few years (the horrible musical or the far worst thing "Queen Dance Traxx") made me question this man. What is his aim? Why does he do it like that? I was fine with his solo stuff. Decent songs with average vocals. But this? I don't get it... If he does it for the love of music, then I'm even more puzzled. |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 06:50 |
Lot of opinions for an album thats not even released.. There are people like this on every bands messageboard. It always follows the same routine. |
| Band Forever 10.09.2008 06:56 |
Queen's last 2 Albums were a democratic effort between the 4 Band members, plus you had the dynamics of Freddie's vocals + John's great Bass to augment Roger's Drums& Brian's Symphonic Guitar. The Clips of Cosmos do seem to lack body or that sonic umph! that you normally associate with previous recordings, but the guys are older and Paul Rodgers vocals seem purely Rock and not a lot else, so I think creative ideas could be limited with PR. I can't stand the warbling PR does on the end of some of the lines he delivers. |
| Major Tom 10.09.2008 06:58 |
Has this forum generated a new "Treasure Moment" I wonder? |
| Major Tom 10.09.2008 06:59 |
Raf wrote: Treasure Horsie? Bad Moment?Exactly what I was thinking, EXACTLY! |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 07:15 |
Treasure Moment just was an idiot. Bad Horsie actually has a point and can, besides the swearung, deliver it properly. So, please get off your clouds and face the facts. This album polarizes like no other before. I don't think there's something between love and hate... I won't buy it. The singles are bad enough for me to say that. |
| Pal72 10.09.2008 07:22 |
Hey, guys... relax. Like someone said earlier, it's just a bloody record. I grew up listening to Queen, they changed my life, I have thousands (yes, thousands) of lps, cds and dvds from them, so I think I can say that they were/are important for me... but I still think we shouldn't take these things so seriously. I can understand Hor, when I was 19 I was waiting for Innuendo with a certain fear... but I'm sure he will understand it later: it's just a bloody record. It has nothing to do with the fans, they never did their albums for the fans. They were extremely lucky, because most of their fans followed them from one album to the other, but God, wasn't it strange to listen to Radio Gaga after The March of the Black Queen or BoRhap? Was it the same kind of music? No. And Hor: I am also a guitarist. I also started to play because of Queen. The reason I still love to play even after 20 years is that playing guitar gives me the feel of freedom. I like to play whatever I like, however I like. I am sure you feel the same. If you and I have the right to feel like this, why shouldn't Brian have this right? He does not play for you or for me, he plays for himself and his good old friends. If a few people will buy the record, that's great, but at 60 why should he care about a certain 19 years old guy buying it or not? In a strange way, for us, who grew up on their music, they are like parents: I accept what they do, because I love them. It doesn't mean that I don't have opinion on the songs, but boy, is it really that important? I remember when I first heard Hot Space, it was a bit strange, but listen to the live versions on Queen On Fire, God, they rock! Enough said, it's just a record, it's their record, so let's just leave them to make a record they like. |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 07:26 |
Bad Horsie wrote: I do. This is even worse than Hot Space. They've lost all personality in their music. Cheers, Horyes i think it sucks too, only catchy thing i heard was "say it aint true" and a little of C-lebrity but its obvious how freddie was the one who made them as good as they were. |
| cream 10.09.2008 07:58 |
I am prepared to give it lots and lots of listens before making any kind of judgement. OF COURSE Freddie was a key influence in the development of Queen music, and that will be noticably missing from this release This album is essentially by a new band and should be treated as such................. |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 08:34 |
"This album is essentially by a new band and should be treated as such................." Tell that to Mr May and Mr Taylor! |
| Knute 10.09.2008 09:03 |
Bad Horsie wrote:Are you talking about that chromatic line he plays in that slide solo?Zebonka12 wrote: I dunno, there's a difference between playing with feel and playing with balls-to-the-wall sloppiness. Also; I'm not sure how accuracy is measured when somebody else is playing their own music. The guitar solo in C-Lebrity, while far from being the cleverest thing Brian's ever written, is far from sloppy. I would appreciate some specific examples from Horsie here, so that I know what to listen for when the album comes along.The final lick on Time To Shine is pretty sloppy, I was sadly surprised. The studio version of C-Lebrity has tiny rhythmic mistakes on the rhythm guitar... while tiny, they're still there. But the slide solo on Still Burning is very fucking out of tune!! I can't believe it. Cheers, Hor That's intentional. He plays three or four chromatic notes and then resolves it on a chord tone. If you think he's accidentally playing out of tune, I wonder what you would think of John Coltrane's music. |
| The Mir@cle 10.09.2008 09:23 |
LucTonnerre wrote: "This album is essentially by a new band and should be treated as such................." Tell that to Mr May and Mr Taylor!I'm sorry, but it's actually what they say by theirselves. |
| Knute 10.09.2008 09:28 |
LucTonnerre wrote: I'm honest, that I don't like Rodgers at all, nor FREE or BAD COMPANY. But that's not the point. Brian and Roger both wrote great Songs for Queen. Compare THE PROPHET SONG to the new material... if you can at all.. it's just so sad to see what happened.Okay let me try that. The Prophet's Song compared to She Makes Me(Stormtroopers in Stilettos). The Prophet's Song compared to Sleeping on the Sidewalk. Yeah I see what you mean. Oh shit..wait! I'm supposed to be putting down Q+PR, not Queen! DOH! |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 09:32 |
Wrong mate. She makes me is a great song and Sleeping... is cool also. It's a first-take not knowing that it's been recorded. Still both are way better than C-Lebrity... |
| LadySonnet 10.09.2008 09:35 |
I am first and foremost Freddie's fan. I started listening to Queen because of the Good old-fassioned lover boy (Yeah, for those who I'm sure would laugh at this confession - I was 15 years old then but hell, I still consider it the most romantic song I have ever heard!), and later on - the Barcelona album, which has not been overtaken in terms of artistic merit yet. I've heard C-lebrity and I got bored. SINT - Taylor-made, nothing wrong with it, but having in mind Foreign Sands for instance or the Key I got... bored. I've also heard two more songs of the new album. I'm not going to buy it. I'm not going to the concerts and in fact I don't want to have anything in common with some nubee band that I don't know. However, just for the record - do I think that the album is a crap? HELL, YES! |
| Holly2003 10.09.2008 09:44 |
Haven't heard the whole album yet but so far I would say it's a promising effort. Some bits sound a bit like Jackson Brown, some bits like Status Quo, etc. Interesting. And i never thought I would say that about 'Queen' again. Much better than listening to yet another karaoke rendition of TYMD or WWRY. |
| Markman38 10.09.2008 09:58 |
I made the big misstake to hope for a new queen album instead for what I heard so far all I got is a good rock group who are enjoying thereselves which is a great reason to make music, but not what I was hoping for. I realized it when I was listening to the previews ans I began zipping to the next one half way trhu. Don't get me wrong Brian May is still very very good and i heard some things that really suprised me he played things I havn't heard him done before and that is great but it's the voice of Paul Rodgers I think at the end I get bored with. Queen with FM and JD made also songs I really didn't like, such as My life has been saved, rain must fall, my baby does, cool cat but that is just a matter of taste other people think that are great songs. But Queen is for me All God's People, Innuendo, March of the Black Queen and the humor of I want to break free, I'm going slighly mad and even Delilah. And for what I heard that isn't there anymore. I decided to sell my ticket for the Rotterdam concert today because I want to remember how I saw Queen as a boy of 16 in 1986. And although I enjoyed the QPR gig in Arnhem 2 years ago, my dream is now over. The album don't suck it's just not my knd of taste anymore. |
| john bodega 10.09.2008 09:59 |
Bad Horsie wrote: The final lick on Time To Shine is pretty sloppy, I was sadly surprised. The studio version of C-Lebrity has tiny rhythmic mistakes on the rhythm guitar... while tiny, they're still there. But the slide solo on Still Burning is very fucking out of tune!!I am quite surprised that you picked on the slide solo in that song, when there was the re-used WWRY stuff to complain about.... to me that was a far greater fuck-up! I'm laughing at the people in this thread who are comparing you to Treasure Moment, it's utterly ridiculous... I know you're above Treasure Moment because: A). You can compose a decent song B). You'd be the first to admit the lousiness of some of your Youtube material, and fuck - I'm in the same boat. I've uploaded some truly awful stuff. The thing about Treasure Moment is he'd never concede his own fuck-ups. We're above that, chap. People in this thread ought to stop being so bloody uptight... Only. A. Bloody. Record. |
| Micrówave 10.09.2008 10:44 |
Bad Horsie wrote: You people are all doomed... But I'm glad for you, you'll never be dissapointed since you have no ambition at all. You'd love anything with the Queen name on it.You ARE in Treasure Moment. I knew it. Dude... you're 19. You've waited all your life for a Queen release. WAKE UP. The Queen you thought was done before you were born!!! So you saying you've waited your whole life for a new Queen release is like me waiting my whole life for a new Robert Johnson release. This is Queen + Paul Rodgers. It clearly says that on the cover. You could sit around and listen to the Freddie Box set instead. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!) Your choice. PS: New Kids On The Block have reunited and put out a brand new CD. Perhaps that's more your speed. |
| Wiley 10.09.2008 10:46 |
Please don't compare Horsie with Treasure Moment. As someone else pointed out, Horsie does have arguments and expresses his opinion in an orderly manner. It's all about tastes. Paul Rodger's music has grown on me. It is a different approach. Listen to Free's deceivingly simple arrangements and the raw feel of their music. Big contrast with Queen's over the top blown up material. Music writing and lyric wise the new material could be lacking a bit (haven't listened to it a lot) but I love the production and the sound of it. It doesn't sound like Queen with Freddie but it sounds exactly like Queen + Paul Rodgers would sound, with some nice surprises. And about that chromatic scale solo... damn, I hope that wasn't what Horsie though were mistakes. |
| Micrówave 10.09.2008 10:47 |
I only made the comparison because of the "You are all doomed" reference. Obviously he plays. But, obviously, Paul's got SOMETHING. How about asking Buddy Guy. He loves him. Check out the remake of Some Kind Of Wonderful he did. (Feels Like Rain - 1991 Silvertone Records) |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 10:47 |
Personally Ill be waiting until the record is actually released so I can actually hear it before I decide if its crap or if Im "boycotting" the tour. But maybe thats just me... |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 10:59 |
i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact. |
| Holly2003 10.09.2008 11:11 |
Treasure Moment wrote: i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact.Yawn. |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 11:15 |
Holly2003 wrote:just telling the truth, if you say anything else you are in deep denial.Treasure Moment wrote: i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact.Yawn. |
| LucTonnerre 10.09.2008 11:16 |
Please Treasure Moment, could you stop repeating yourself over and over again? And don't you dare compare your crap band to Queen... that's ridiculous. |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 11:17 |
Thought the previews werent really that much to go by. They didnt give much away. Certainly not enough for making outlandish statements like, this is the worst thing theyve ever done etc, Its not a carboncopy of ANATO or SHA but they werent aiming for that. I dont think anyone thought theyd get March of the Black Queen part 2. And if it is Freddies singing you are upset about, we all knew he wouldnt be on there. Judging by the short previews it sounds more lowkey, but I think that could work better especially with Pauls singing. He seems to be handling it well. |
| Holly2003 10.09.2008 11:22 |
Treasure Moment wrote:YAWN.Holly2003 wrote:just telling the truth, if you say anything else you are in deep denial.Treasure Moment wrote: i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact.Yawn. |
| Markman38 10.09.2008 12:23 |
kingogre wrote: Thought the previews werent really that much to go by. They didnt give much away. Certainly not enough for making outlandish statements like, this is the worst thing theyve ever done etc, Its not a carboncopy of ANATO or SHA but they werent aiming for that. I dont think anyone thought theyd get March of the Black Queen part 2. And if it is Freddies singing you are upset about, we all knew he wouldnt be on there. Judging by the short previews it sounds more lowkey, but I think that could work better especially with Pauls singing. He seems to be handling it well.I don't deny he does a great job, I don;t deny they are good as a rockband butI just realize at once this is not my Queen anymore and that is just my opion and why go to a concert if it's not your cup of tea anymore. Now there is a lady in holland very happy because she can go. It's her dream that come true now and I just keep my own dream alive :-) Maybe I regret this very very much when I read al the comments and when they play all kind of suprising material of their past |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 12:28 |
Markman38 wrote:Thats a very good reply:) I agree with you completely on this. Didnt aim it specifically at you, just so you know:)kingogre wrote: Thought the previews werent really that much to go by. They didnt give much away. Certainly not enough for making outlandish statements like, this is the worst thing theyve ever done etc, Its not a carboncopy of ANATO or SHA but they werent aiming for that. I dont think anyone thought theyd get March of the Black Queen part 2. And if it is Freddies singing you are upset about, we all knew he wouldnt be on there. Judging by the short previews it sounds more lowkey, but I think that could work better especially with Pauls singing. He seems to be handling it well.I don't deny he does a great job, I don;t deny they are good as a rockband butI just realize at once this is not my Queen anymore and that is just my opion and why go to a concert if it's not your cup of tea anymore. Now there is a lady in holland very happy because she can go. It's her dream that come true now and I just keep my own dream alive :-) Maybe I regret this very very much when I read al the comments and when they play all kind of suprising material of their past |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 12:50 |
Knute wrote:It's chromatic, it's out of tune. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I LISTEN TO VAI, DO YOU THINK I CAN'T TELL SOMETHING SIMPLY CHROMATIC FROM SOMETHING PLAIN WRONG?!?!Bad Horsie wrote:Are you talking about that chromatic line he plays in that slide solo? That's intentional. He plays three or four chromatic notes and then resolves it on a chord tone. If you think he's accidentally playing out of tune, I wonder what you would think of John Coltrane's music.Zebonka12 wrote: I dunno, there's a difference between playing with feel and playing with balls-to-the-wall sloppiness. Also; I'm not sure how accuracy is measured when somebody else is playing their own music. The guitar solo in C-Lebrity, while far from being the cleverest thing Brian's ever written, is far from sloppy. I would appreciate some specific examples from Horsie here, so that I know what to listen for when the album comes along.The final lick on Time To Shine is pretty sloppy, I was sadly surprised. The studio version of C-Lebrity has tiny rhythmic mistakes on the rhythm guitar... while tiny, they're still there. But the slide solo on Still Burning is very fucking out of tune!! I can't believe it. Cheers, Hor Ok, this is not Queen. This is Paul Rodgers + 2 assholes. Because... judging by the songs, this can't be "Queen +". That name means that this would be Queen with something else. This is just something else with the Queen name on it. It has absolutely nothing to do with Queen, even tho Brian May and Roger Taylor don't see it that way. But they also said that Paul was Freddie's hero, so who fucking cares what they say, nowadays? Cheers, Hor |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 12:56 |
they shouldnt have used the Queen name, it just hurts them and their legacy, stupid move |
| ***Marial-B*** 10.09.2008 12:57 |
Matias, no les hagas caso, ese album es pura caca xD Yo voy al tour por Brian y Roger, pero Paul con el album la k-go xD |
| fernandosales 10.09.2008 13:01 |
"Ok, this is not Queen. This is Paul Rodgers + 2 assholes.
Because... judging by the songs, this can't be "Queen +". That name means that this would be Queen with something else. This is just something else with the Queen name on it. It has absolutely nothing to do with Queen, even tho Brian May and Roger Taylor don't see it that way. "
The same old discussion. This is not Queen - This is Queen + Paul Rodgers... By the way, Delilah sounds like Queen? I'm going slight mad sounds like Queen? My baby does me? Dont loose your head? Bady Language? etc... |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 13:05 |
"Page is crap. He has turds for fingers, that's why he sounds like shit." Another classic quote from our dear guitar scholar. Shows how much he knows. |
| john bodega 10.09.2008 13:07 |
I had a listen to that slide solo.
I can't believe you asses are arguing about the run down that he does.... the notes he does right before it are the ones that are bum notes, to my ear. Something like Eb Ab.... sounds terribly off to me.
I thought the run down itself was basically okay, but I didn't think that'd be good enough for you guys so I ran it through a couple of guitar tuners... he's pretty much on key.
I can only assume that you think he simply picked the wrong notes to play? Oh well!
I had to laugh at this comment, though.. in fact I'm still laughing about it :
Bad Horsie wrote: FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I LISTEN TO VAI, DO YOU THINK I CAN'T TELL SOMETHING SIMPLY CHROMATIC FROM SOMETHING PLAIN WRONG?!?!Hahahaha. It's okay people, he listens to Vai. Boy wouldn't I love to be able to win musical arguments just by saying I listen to Mahavishnu... |
| teleman 10.09.2008 13:09 |
Of course the Cosmos sucks. Space is a vacuum :D So is Queenzone these days(at least an intellectual vacuum) |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 13:13 |
You can like what he plays or not, but out of tune he seriously isnt. Id bet one of the worlds greatest guitarists ever and one of the worlds greatest vocalists ever can hear a false note, and if they dont, they have Roger, producers, remixers, record execs, friends etc who could probably tip them off. |
| Saif 10.09.2008 13:13 |
Man this album is shit, I've heard many of the tracks and that's my conclusion. I have no beef against them for using the name Queen but I think the album is shit. This is the dregs of rock and roll people. You can like it if you want, but to me it sounds shit by normal standards. I'm not even going to say what I think of it compared to Queen standards because most people here will buy it anyway just because it has the name "Queen" on it. There's still a few songs I haven't heard but I don't think I want to... Still, I'm not complaining, just saying it's shit. If Roger, Brian and Paul want to shit in the same toilet and shove it into our noses, then all the power to them. |
| john bodega 10.09.2008 13:18 |
kingogre wrote: Id bet one of the worlds greatest guitarists ever and one of the worlds greatest vocalists ever can hear a false note, and if they dont, they have Roger, producers, remixers, record execs, friends etc who could probably tip them off.Stop blowing smoke, man.... It would not be the first time that bum notes have made it into a slide guitar solo; doesn't matter who's playing it. I think that run-down that was mentioned is really more a question of taste than anything. It certainly isn't played in a particularly interesting fashion, in my opinion. But I REALLY don't know why people are arguing over something like this, when a matter of seconds later they're using a sample of WWRY!!!!! Isn't anyone else gobsmacked? |
| Yara 10.09.2008 13:22 |
I'd just like to add my humble point of view: "chromatic note" and "chromatic note solo" are not technical terms. It's a quite, at least to me, useless musical slang. MY HUMBLE OPINION before anyone comes up with the stone-throwing. Hahaha. I didn't listen to the album yet. But, please, if it's out of tune, it's out of tune, chromatic notes have absolutely nothing to do with it. --- Now, I read Zebonka12's post and I trust his judgement. He seemed to have taken the work to check out the stuff, and that's great. I'll listen to the song and then I add my thoughts. But I'd just like to say that Horsie is right in the sense that being or not out of tune has absolutely no relation with what is usually described as "chromatic note". Besides, the dragging of Coltrane's music as an example is not appropriate, in my view, because in such albums as Ascension there's no strong tonal center anymore so we're in complete different areas of music. So, just a thought. |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 13:28 |
I actually thought the sample was great, really fun. Queen were always about having fun. But each to his own i guess. |
| kingogre 10.09.2008 13:31 |
Bum notes maybe, but out of tune guitars different thing on this level. Brian isnt exactly the kind of guitarist who goes into the studio and knocks off a jam solo in twenty minutes either. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 13:47 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I had to laugh at this comment, though.. in fact I'm still laughing about it :No, it's not about that. But he's talking to me like I've never heard a chromatic run in my life... while lots of Vai's music is far more complex than just chromatic runs here and there.Bad Horsie wrote: FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I LISTEN TO VAI, DO YOU THINK I CAN'T TELL SOMETHING SIMPLY CHROMATIC FROM SOMETHING PLAIN WRONG?!?!Hahahaha. It's okay people, he listens to Vai. Boy wouldn't I love to be able to win musical arguments just by saying I listen to Mahavishnu... Besides, you really got to be an asshole to not be able to tell between something chromatic and something out of tune. Still Burning is very off. Now people say it's done on purpose... ok, Brian May has turned into Jimmy Page. He only needs to play like shit while high and drool on the guitar. I hope he's not planning to do such thing this tour because I'm willing to see them live when they come to Buenos Aires. Cheers, Hor |
| Mr. Jordy 10.09.2008 14:02 |
To the creator of this thread, screw you and your negativity. I have grown distant from queenzone and other Queen "fans" because of a line of thinking similar to your own. If you don't like what Queen (Brian and Roger, two founding members of the band who have every right to record and tour under the Queen name) are doing now, then delete your account. There are many of us here who are very anxious to hear The Cosmos Rocks and who are more than eager to once again see Q+PR play live. This website should reflect our views as FANS of Queen - current and past. What this site has become, however, is a forum for disputing Brian and Roger's decision to march forward. Stop raining on everyone's goddamned parade. Same for you, Treasure Moment. If your band was anything other than pure horse shit (no pun intended) then I'd be much more apt to read your idiotic fucking opinions. |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 14:02 |
LucTonnerre wrote: It's just that I can not understand anyone that likes this album. When you're a Queen fan (and these people will be attracted to this album the most, the others will just not care) you are used to much better material. It's not about Queen or not Queen but for me it's about 2 people of the greatest band ever producing an album that is so dull and boring that it makes me sad. How can any Queen fan possibly be happy with this collection of (not even worthy) b-sides? And if Brian May doesn't have the time to do a proper album, then just don't do it. That's not very respectful towards the fans, is it? "Well, I know it's crap, but I didn't have time to do better, but our fans will buy it anyway!" Come on people, you can't be serious!though i should tell you to fuck off for saying that im an idiot i agree with you 100% about this album. It clearly shows who was the main man in Queen, Freddie was the one with the classical music background, he was the one with the super voice, he was the one who took the others songs and remade them so that they got 100 times better, examples its a kind of magic. These songs are simple guitar based songs with few chords, the freddie compositions were long melodies with classical music inspiration. |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 14:08 |
LucTonnerre wrote: Please Treasure Moment, could you stop repeating yourself over and over again? And don't you dare compare your crap band to Queen... that's ridiculous.you are ridiculous and you know shit about quality AND you can never write anything even close to TM |
| knakenrudi 10.09.2008 14:19 |
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| Markman38 10.09.2008 14:23 |
Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-) |
| Yara 10.09.2008 14:25 |
What does make some sense and I think is sometimes useful is the term "chromatic interval". Just to establish the difference, I think it'd be nice. But it's only my opinion. I'm eager to listen to the album. :-) Take care you all! PS: And, of course, something is in or out of tune in relation to the key, mode and/or scale. If I sing a random, isolated "aaaaaaaaa", one can't say whether that's in or out of tune, technically speaking. So, that should be taken into account too when analyzing if someone is technically in or out of tune. Again, nothing to do with "chromatic notes" or "chromatic note solo", which, in my humble opinion, differently from "chromatic interval", are musical slangs, and not technical terms, and I find them quite sloppy and useless. It doesn't help me understand things in music theory. But that's me and the way I learn only. It's not a rule. Take care. |
| Sabazzz 10.09.2008 14:28 |
From what I've heard, its obvious, that The Cosmos Rocks is more Pauld Rogers' album than Queen album. Even its more Paul Rogers' album than Queen+Paul Rogers album. And its saddest thing to hear. |
| Treasure Moment 10.09.2008 14:38 |
Markman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)why dont you start with laughing at yourself and how you could never write anything even close to "sound of existence" for example? |
| Markman38 10.09.2008 15:03 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I listened to it and wished you wrote the sound of silenceMarkman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)why dont you start with laughing at yourself and how you could never write anything even close to "sound of existence" for example? |
| beansontoast 10.09.2008 15:41 |
Part of the cosmos sucks, the galaxy named swallow. It sucks stuff. |
| Holly2003 10.09.2008 17:43 |
Wow, so many narrow-minded, stupid and ignorant people posting on this thread. There's nothing wrong with having a critical opinion but bearing in mind most people commenting here haven't even heard the whole album yet, the standard of criticism here barely rises above excreble. |
| Major Tom 10.09.2008 17:48 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Here we go again, I have to ask you TM, do you wish you were Freddie Mercury? Cause I've realised you seem to be obsessed about two things: Freddie and yourself. Sorry, three things. Freddie, yourself and talking shit. BTW, do you have like 10 default replies written down next to the keyboard? 1-5:Facts, 6-10:Truths.Holly2003 wrote:just telling the truth, if you say anything else you are in deep denial.Treasure Moment wrote: i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact.Yawn. |
| Major Tom 10.09.2008 18:30 |
And to answer the main question: From what I've heard, it's not that bad. The one thing that I keep telling myself is thas this Queen AND Paul Rodgers not Queen witch I think is, at least for me, hard to do in a strange way. SINT and C-lebrity has some kind of old Queen feel to them but the other snippets I've heard has not. And like someone earlier said, I suddenly realised that there will never be another Queen album. That makes me very, very sad. |
| Wiley 10.09.2008 19:58 |
Sabazzz wrote: From what I've heard, its obvious, that The Cosmos Rocks is more Pauld Rogers' album than Queen album. Even its more Paul Rogers' album than Queen+Paul Rogers album. And its saddest thing to hear.Out of curiosity and without meaning to offend or anything, How many Paul Rodgers' albums have you heard? Or Free or Bad Co.'s? I own Free's Chronicles and Fire and Water albums and Bad Company's Desolation Angel's and their self titled debut album. Obviously, it is the same singer, but the music, arrangement, melodies and overall musician's performance is quite different. To me, what I've heard from The Cosmos Rocks (samples of all songs, a few complete tracks) doesn't sound like a Paul Rodgers album, nor like any Queen album. Sounds like a Q+PR album! |
| queenie-taylor 10.09.2008 20:01 |
I can't wait to hear it!! |
| Knute 10.09.2008 20:21 |
LucTonnerre wrote: Wrong mate. She makes me is a great song and Sleeping... is cool also. It's a first-take not knowing that it's been recorded. Still both are way better than C-Lebrity...Sorry but you totally missed the point. It's a dumb tactic to compare arguably someone's greatest work with his other work and use that as a way to bludgeon him. My point is that even in Queen's heyday Brian wrote many songs that were no where near as good as Prophet's Song. So you can't say that he's all of a sudden lost it in Q+PR. For the record, I enjoy She Makes Me and Sleeping on the Sidewalk myself but I don't kid myself that they are superb songs on the same level as The Prophet's Song. We can try that same tactic with Freddie. How does Delilah stack up against Bohemian Rhapsody? |
| s.m. 10.09.2008 20:40 |
ok, 7 pages make it 10 please until i wake up i need a laugh every morning doctors orders |
| Knute 10.09.2008 20:49 |
Bad Horsie wrote:And you would have to be a real asshole not to understand that it's an intentional effect rather then being 'sloppy'.Zebonka12 wrote: I had to laugh at this comment, though.. in fact I'm still laughing about it :No, it's not about that. But he's talking to me like I've never heard a chromatic run in my life... while lots of Vai's music is far more complex than just chromatic runs here and there. Besides, you really got to be an asshole to not be able to tell between something chromatic and something out of tune. Still Burning is very off. Now people say it's done on purpose... ok, Brian May has turned into Jimmy Page. He only needs to play like shit while high and drool on the guitar. I hope he's not planning to do such thing this tour because I'm willing to see them live when they come to Buenos Aires. Cheers, HorBad Horsie wrote: FOR FUCK'S SAKE, I LISTEN TO VAI, DO YOU THINK I CAN'T TELL SOMETHING SIMPLY CHROMATIC FROM SOMETHING PLAIN WRONG?!?!Hahahaha. It's okay people, he listens to Vai. Boy wouldn't I love to be able to win musical arguments just by saying I listen to Mahavishnu... There's two possible scenarios. a) While recording the solo Brian had one idea in mind but he couldn't execute it. No matter how hard he tried for some inexplicable reason during those two bars of music he couldn't get the slide to hover over the frets he wanted. Roger kept encouraging him, but after 25 takes Brian threw down the Red Special and stormed out of the studio. Paul and Roger had a quick conference and when Bri returned they told him it was brilliant what he had recorded and they wouldn't dare change a thing. Bri finally gave in and trusted their opinion of it. -or- b) Brian decided to utilize an interesting aspect of the nature of a slide in that you can get in-between notes. So to achieve a maximum dissonance effect he played a run of chromatic notes with the slide slightly behind the fret. He played that for Paul with a devious look on his face cause he liked the dramatic way it pulled into a resolving chord tone. I know what scenario I'm going to go with. You said yourself music should be about transmitting an idea. Do you think it's within the realm of possibility that Brian would be trying to transmit the idea of total dissonance? You may be a good musician, but you are not far off from Treasure Moment in your arrogant 'my shit doesn't stink' attitude. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 10.09.2008 22:03 |
So you judge a musician not by listening to him but by reading how many years he's been playing. That's so clever and logical, isn't it? According to you, Brian May never makes a mistake then. I wonder what all those little mistakes on the old Queen records are. Cheers, Hor |
| Yara 10.09.2008 23:52 |
I didn't get it. If Brian is trying to transmit the idea of "total dissonance", and yet he resolves the harmony in a chord tone, he actually avoids dissonance by definition and fails to transmit the idea; thus, maybe, then, sounding actually out of tune. Just a doubt, no hard feelings, dear. I like to talk about theory, I haven't listened to the recording yet, I'm eager to. *hug* |
| Markman38 11.09.2008 02:02 |
It's also possible that Brian finnaly refered to his conversation with Frank Zappa, which he mentioned on his soapbox 2 years ago that it's impossible to screw up your own solo because it's simply your own solo. Again I think this is a matter of taste he did something, or tried something new and like the result obviously because other wise it wouldn't be on the record. When I heard it I found it refressing that Brian did some new things I never heard him doing before. Maybe he listened to records of Sonic Youth before recording this solo :-) |
| The Mir@cle 11.09.2008 05:02 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Who's in denial here? You're still believing that you actually make good music with Treasure Crap!! :PHolly2003 wrote:just telling the truth, if you say anything else you are in deep denial.Treasure Moment wrote: i heard the preview clips and it definetly shows that Queens main sound was made by Freddie, he is basically Queen. Of course the others have great input too but it was freddie who made them what they were and thats a fact.Yawn. |
| gnomo 11.09.2008 05:34 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I am quite surprised that you picked on the slide solo in that song, when there was the re-used WWRY stuff to complain about.... to me that was a far greater fuck-up!I am quite surprised that no-one yet seems to get WHY the WWRY beat was intentionally put in there, why it was intentionally slightly modified, and what it is intentionally trying to convey to anyone who would care to listen just slightly beneath the surface of things (with added context from the lyrics)... ... confused ... |
| gnomo 11.09.2008 05:53 |
Bad Horsie wrote: I have waited the release of a Queen album, ALL OF MY FUCKING LIFE. And this is what we all get?Darling, I am deeply sorry to have to tell you that you have quite simply being DELUDING YOURSELF all of your f***ing life. The release of a new Queen album without Freddie's and John's contributions is just a factual impossibility. Queen music, with its peculiar identity spanning through genres and styles, was the result of the interaction among a set of four specific individuals. What you have now is a **different** set of individuals, and all you can realistically expect from the interaction among them is a **different** music with a different identity. Although two of those individuals once were in Queen, they can not give new Queen music any more, because the context in which they work now is no longer Queen. You can't blame others if they fail to give you what they are factually unable to give. You only have to blame yourself for unrealistically expecting from them what are factually unable to give. All the above IMVHO & FWLIW & NOM of course. |
| AmeriQueen 11.09.2008 06:16 |
It's too early to tell. I will say that between C-lebrity, Still Burnin and Call Me this certainly looks like a serious drop into an all-time low in lyrics. I sense that Paul Rodgers blends well as we hoped but that he is far too strong an influence to really call it Queen, and I suspect that a 3rd of the album will be comparable to the weaker parts of Happiness and/or Back To The Light. Say it's not true and Time to Shine have really hooked me in, C-Lebrity I like, and the Still Burnin and Call Me tracks have good things about them while they are not to my standard of Queen. I think 2 of the tracks still to be heard sound like potential duds, but 3 others sound quite promising, and the next to last track has me drooling! Nobody expected Queen but what is dissapointing to me is the a) Heavy Rodgers influence b) dumb lyrics c) Lack of May/Taylor leads on vocals d) Lower than normal amount of Red Special sounds e) Stripped down production elements(overall instrumentation/vocals) f) Lack of a Queen feel to the point that I hear more Free/Bad Company so far. g) Lack of constantly changing music within each song. It's on it's way to being their 16th best album close to Brian May-later Roger Taylor solo album level. Keep in mind it's not just their first with PR, it's also their first new music in a decade which historically is 9 out of 10 times rusty music that lacks something lost over a long hiatus. Van Halen, Rolling Stones, Duran Duran, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, ELO, Boston and Plant/Page are all examples of bands who took long breaks and came back at first with weaker material. My early feeling is that it's a dissapointment which will only be one of the top 4 or 5 best albums of the 21st Century instead of the instant best I thought it would be. Still, over 2 3rds of the album are unknown to me. |
| LucTonnerre 11.09.2008 08:59 |
Replying to KNUTE: Yeah, you're right. It's wrong to compare. Still I'm shocked about the quality of the new stuff. But somehow it fits into the direction that the last Queen stuff went. For me personally starting with THE WORKS it all went pretty much downhill. I hardly ever listen to the 80s albums. I do have MADE IN HEAVEN but how many times did I give it a go? twice? Three times? Not my cup of tea. Maybe it's time to move on and leave them. I still got the good stuff that makes me smile. Enjoy the new stuff, people. I can't! |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 11.09.2008 13:31 |
one question: is it contractually written that PR has to say 'have mercy' on every song he sings on? |
| runner70 11.09.2008 14:30 |
Markman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)Me either - this must be the biggest musical shit I have heard in ages. Annoying singer - completely off-key and terrible songwriting. This is meant to be a joke right ??????? |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 11.09.2008 14:50 |
I'm gonna buy it anyway. I'll be attending two London tour dates. I'm excited. |
| Treasure Moment 11.09.2008 15:17 |
runner70 wrote:good luck writing anything remotely as good you low garbage beingMarkman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)Me either - this must be the biggest musical shit I have heard in ages. Annoying singer - completely off-key and terrible songwriting. This is meant to be a joke right ??????? |
| runner70 11.09.2008 15:24 |
Treasure Moment wrote:LMAO - you are trying to be a confident as Freddie in the early days right ? With one difference - Freddie had more talent in his left middlefinger than you with your pathetic little crap band.runner70 wrote:good luck writing anything remotely as good you low garbage beingMarkman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)Me either - this must be the biggest musical shit I have heard in ages. Annoying singer - completely off-key and terrible songwriting. This is meant to be a joke right ??????? Are you the "singer" of this joke ???? The beginning of the third song on myspace which begins with "de de de de de de deb" sounds like a strangled cat on LSD! The most annoying "music" I heard in ages! And someone like this comes on here and tells us BRian is offkey! Damn this is satire right ????? |
| Markman38 11.09.2008 17:04 |
runner70 wrote:The next answer of TM will be that we can't write something like Sound of Exixtence which is true, I can't.......because if I tried I would be bored to death after 1 minute.Treasure Moment wrote:LMAO - you are trying to be a confident as Freddie in the early days right ? With one difference - Freddie had more talent in his left middlefinger than you with your pathetic little crap band. Are you the "singer" of this joke ???? The beginning of the third song on myspace which begins with "de de de de de de deb" sounds like a strangled cat on LSD! The most annoying "music" I heard in ages! And someone like this comes on here and tells us BRian is offkey! Damn this is satire right ?????runner70 wrote:good luck writing anything remotely as good you low garbage beingMarkman38 wrote: Okay I'm completely over my boundaries now but you arrogance about how good you are made me curious so TM I just visited your website on myspace and I had a good laugh. One less to taken serious :-)Me either - this must be the biggest musical shit I have heard in ages. Annoying singer - completely off-key and terrible songwriting. This is meant to be a joke right ??????? |