magicalfreddiemercury 29.08.2008 14:23 |
I wonder what everyone's opinion is on this. It's a new thing in my area. Junior high schools are now starting to require uniforms for all the kids - from shoes up to earrings and headgear. I'm not sure how I feel. My first reaction was to think how dare they, but that soon gave way to wanting to understand why they've decided to do this. I can easily see how the competition to one-up another with designer clothes would be squashed with everyone wearing uniforms, and I see how gang colors would be harder to display, but are those the sole reasons for this? There has to be more. Do they have uniforms in your area? Do you like the idea or not? |
wstüssyb 29.08.2008 15:17 |
I'm totally for it, if it involves hot Asian chicks. I do remember going to school in Hawaii how there was another all-girl school a few blocks over, I think I was in love with pretty much every single girl there, the Uniforms really helped to be honest. |
Micrówave 29.08.2008 15:19 |
Wait til you have kids in school and it's time to go clothes shopping. Give me the $5.99 shirt and the $7.99 pants any day of the week!!!! |
magicalfreddiemercury 29.08.2008 15:32 |
Microwave wrote: Wait til you have kids in school and it's time to go clothes shopping. Give me the $5.99 shirt and the $7.99 pants any day of the week!!!!Fortunately for me (for a lot of reasons), my daughter is homeschooled, so I don't have to deal with the back-to-school shopping issues. But about pricing... the way I see it, now on top of buying everyday clothes for your kids, you also have to buy uniforms. How is it cheaper? They still need after-school clothes, weekend clothes, going out with friends clothes and now uniforms, too. It seems like added expense rather than reduced expense. No? And one thing I find really interesting is that footwear must be either boots in wet weather only and sneakers on all other days. Sneakers can run into the hundreds per pair and I see a lot of kids wearing those while other kids wear the buy-one-get-one-free kind from Payless. It seems ill-planned to me but I'm still interested in the reasons. |
Poo, again 29.08.2008 17:01 |
I'm completely indifferent. |
Yara 29.08.2008 17:18 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I wonder what everyone's opinion is on this. It's a new thing in my area. Junior high schools are now starting to require uniforms for all the kids - from shoes up to earrings and headgear. I'm not sure how I feel. My first reaction was to think how dare they, but that soon gave way to wanting to understand why they've decided to do this. I can easily see how the competition to one-up another with designer clothes would be squashed with everyone wearing uniforms, and I see how gang colors would be harder to display, but are those the sole reasons for this? There has to be more. Do they have uniforms in your area? Do you like the idea or not?Well, we have to use it here at school. The argument for it being: it prevents prejudice against kids whose parents can't afford fancy or proper clothes. Besides, they argue, it also helps students realize that they share the learning experience in common and should not be agressive and competitive all the time. Finally, people are concerned that some kids or teenagers would focus too much on cloth and what to wear and the school could become a kind of fashion contest while the learning and the interaction between students resulting from it should be the priority. Now, we're hammered with these arguments every single day, because of course there's always people who don't want to use the uniform either because it's expensive or/and ugly or because they just can't stand dressing like everyone else. Students from low-income families do receive the uniform for free, but some middle or high-income families find it outrageous that they have to pay more for less, so to speak: the uniform being ugly, according to them, and not suitable for use outside the school, and so on. Finally, the uniform is said to supress the kid's individuality, which the way of dressing in some way and at some extent expresses and reflects. So, these are the arguments here. I'm like the Poo Again... I just don't care...I mean, first of all because I don't even find the uniform ugly! As for the individuality, I'm sure mine would come across even if all of us weared a kind of badge with the same number and so on. lol Like...I don't know. "I don't know" it's not a very substantial contributian to the thread, ok!, but...well, I tried to sketch out how people here in general see these things. |
Micrówave 29.08.2008 18:03 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: How is it cheaper? They still need after-school clothes, weekend clothes, going out with friends clothes and now uniforms, too. It seems like added expense rather than reduced expense. No?No, because a Tommy Hilferger Polo Shirt, for example, is $30-$50. A Polo or Hollister brand can cost even more. And you know how kids are about brand names. This takes that away. Sure, we still have to get those other clothes, but I got my daughter 5 school shirts. If I would have purchased Hollister (her favorite), that would have ran me around $300... BOX SET numbers. Instead, I got 5 shirts for $30. |
Raf 29.08.2008 22:27 |
I thought this post was gonna be about Angus Young. :( Just kidding. Like Yara, I agree uniforms can be useful as they help cut down on discrimination against low-income families. But I think they should be somewhat liberal. They're pretty liberal in my school. You wear the school t-shirt (available in 5 or 6 different colors, and there's a different design available for girls), jeans and any kind of shoes. So, basically, you can "be yourself" even wearing the uniform. I, for example, only bought black versions of the school t-shirt. When I'm not at school, I'm more than 90% of the time wearing a black t-shirt (normally with a band logo), jeans and black converses. At school, the uniform is almost like my typical outfit, except it has the school logo instead of a band logo. Guys are allowed to have long hair, people are allowed to have piercings and tattoos, etc. They only don't allow you to wear anything other than jeans, and you must wear the school t-shirt, that's all. I just don't see the point in places with more "traditional" uniforms and strict rules such as no long hair for guys. To me, that's a clear attempt to prevent people to act like individuals, expose their own personal tastes and opinions, etc. At least here in my city, the schools with the most strict uniform rules are run by churches (both catholic and protestant ones) and they have rules preventing students from making complaints about teachers, about the classes, about the school itself, etc, while in schools like mine students are stimulated to actually voice their opinions, make formal complaints when they believe something's wrong, and so on. So, although I see a point in wearing uniforms, I think they're closely linked to attempts to narrow people's minds. |
john bodega 29.08.2008 23:06 |
Not only should they be in uniforms, but I feel that school children should be referred to by identification numbers, instead of their birth names. |
StoneColdClassicQueen 29.08.2008 23:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Not only should they be in uniforms, but I feel that school children should be referred to by identification numbers, instead of their birth names.XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I had to wear a uniform from preschool to 2nd grade, and then again in middle school. It was better in middle school because it required a white collar shirt which went with all of my ties :D (I got like 14 or 15 of them) and I loved wearing my uniform baggy XD But, I guess it's better to wear one because then you worry about getting your normal clothes dirty and ruined. With your uniform, it's just like, eh whatever. |
Sergei. 30.08.2008 00:22 |
StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: But, I guess it's better to wear one because then you worry about getting your normal clothes dirty and ruined. With your uniform, it's just like, eh whatever.Yes yes, that way everyone can be tattered and stinky without any one smelly folk getting singled out! And then we can all not brush our teeth, and not take showers or wash our hair, so every child has the opportunity to have trife breath and rampant body odour too! It would be just like living in the Middle Ages! |
QueenMercury46 30.08.2008 05:33 |
I wear a uniform to school. I quite like it actually. I don't have to decide what to wear or anything... |
magicalfreddiemercury 30.08.2008 08:47 |
Microwave wrote: Sure, we still have to get those other clothes, but I got my daughter 5 school shirts. If I would have purchased Hollister (her favorite), that would have ran me around $300... BOX SET numbers. Instead, I got 5 shirts for $30.Oh wow, Microwave, I'm a little scared... I actually see your logic and agree. ;-) |
magicalfreddiemercury 30.08.2008 08:53 |
Raf wrote: I just don't see the point in places with more "traditional" uniforms and strict rules such as no long hair for guys. To me, that's a clear attempt to prevent people to act like individuals, expose their own personal tastes and opinions, etc. At least here in my city, the schools with the most strict uniform rules are run by churches (both catholic and protestant ones) and they have rules preventing students from making complaints about teachers, about the classes, about the school itself, etc, while in schools like mine students are stimulated to actually voice their opinions, make formal complaints when they believe something's wrong, and so on. So, although I see a point in wearing uniforms, I think they're closely linked to attempts to narrow people's minds.That's what bothered me about the idea when I first heard it. Middle and High school are places where kids really come into their own and want to express that. Putting them in uniforms obliterates their individuality. But then... it's like wearing a business suit to work. Just because you're in a suit and tie or skirt and heels for 8 hours, doesn't mean you can't be in torn jeans or black leather after work. And if it helps level the financial playing field - at least in appearance - then I can see the point. One less thing to think about when there's all that other crap going on like hormones, acne and calculus. Ugh. |
Mr.Jingles 30.08.2008 09:11 |
I think it's funny how Catholic schools enforce a strict dress code, and yet Catholic school uniforms are one of the most popular fetishes in the adult industry. |
john bodega 30.08.2008 12:13 |
link This gives a fair insight into the human condition. We're a twisted bunch.... a twisted, twisted bunch. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 30.08.2008 18:22 |
Do you not usually have uniforms in the US? I think almost every school in the UK has uniforms up to the age of 16. I had to wear a pleated navy kilt. It was awesome. |
YourValentine 31.08.2008 04:40 |
We have no school uniforms and the issue is sensitive. After the Nazis forced all children into uniforms there is quite a strong dislike to the idea here. However, in some schools the parents have agreed on "same clothes for everybody" which are chosen by the students and bought by the parents in order to put an end to the "brand name" issue. They are just normal clothes, no collar and tie uniforms. Often parents cannot (and do not want to) buy overpriced clothes only because the children are not respected when they do not have them, so the "same clothes for all" policy is helpful plus it is voluntary. The school uniforms I saw in England and Spain do not look like everyday business clothes to me, more like costumes and it's true they are subject to male sex fantasies, so I think what Rafael described is a very good compromise. |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 31.08.2008 05:03 |
school uniforms were the bain of my childhood [i had to wear a school uniform from 5 to 16].by mid term i had done my impersonation of the 'incredible Hulk' and torn all the seams in the blazer clean apart and poor old mother would sew them back up using GREEN cotton for some reason and i assure you that green cotton on a black blazer is not exactly trend setting.sometimes i'm sure she wanted me to get the shit kicked out of me at school... probably explains why i am so anti-uniform now :-p |
Crazy LittleThing 31.08.2008 09:43 |
*imagines Joxer in a pleated navy kilt and knee socks . . . |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 31.08.2008 15:01 |
Crazy LittleThing wrote: *imagines Joxer in a pleated navy kilt and knee socks . . .only on a wednesday ;-] |
QueenMercury46 31.08.2008 16:06 |
I guess I'm the only one who actually loves wearing a uniform then????? |
Ms. Rebel 31.08.2008 16:20 |
QueenMercury46 wrote: I guess I'm the only one who actually loves wearing a uniform then?????I do, but not school uniform. ;9 |
Sweetie 01.09.2008 17:34 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I wonder what everyone's opinion is on this. It's a new thing in my area. Junior high schools are now starting to require uniforms for all the kids - from shoes up to earrings and headgear. I'm not sure how I feel. My first reaction was to think how dare they, but that soon gave way to wanting to understand why they've decided to do this. I can easily see how the competition to one-up another with designer clothes would be squashed with everyone wearing uniforms, and I see how gang colors would be harder to display, but are those the sole reasons for this? There has to be more. Do they have uniforms in your area? Do you like the idea or not?besides one primary school, we have uniforms. My primary school one was alright... but now I'm a fucking bumble bee!! ;_; |
Lady Nyx 01.09.2008 22:23 |
well at lesat you wouldnt have to worry and wonder what you will wear the next day! it didnt matter to me as long as i didnt look like a flight attendant or something. i dunno some parts i didnt mind the idea, and others i didnt really agree. im on the fence. |
littlekillerham 11.02.2009 16:24 |
No uniforms in BBHMS |
KillerQueen840 11.02.2009 17:27 |
I've had to wear a uniform from 3rd grade onward....gradeschool and then all of high school. It SUCKED. Especially during the winter, when you were not allowed to wear a jacket inside of school....the uniform sweaters were about paper thin and did not keep you warm at all, especially with my school's lack of heat. School fundings went straight to our sports team and new lockers (our old ones were fine...and more spacious...), the theatre department... even though a nice heating system, new books that weren't falling apart, lab equipment, and perhaps even a few fans for the rooms during the summer would've been nice. Not to mention, boys weren't allowed to grow out their hair past the collars of their shirts. They were given a razor and forced to shave if they had any trace of facial hair on them. My boyfriend also went to another school like mine....they told him that he would not be allowed to graduate if he didn't cut his hair....this was about 2 weeks before graduation. As if it really mattered at that point. The headmaster and principal had a nice office at least. Didn't really matter if you were a student. I understand the concept of uniforms...it looks nice on paper. Making sure that no one is wearing offensive clothing or half naked...it also trains you to keep a professional look. However, it gets dragged out to the point where it is ridiculous. You may think, oh well, uniforms make less competition amongst people because no one can be teased for how they look. Or judged. Well, that isn't the case either. All of the rich popular girls still were easy to spot (apart from their materialistic attitudes). They all wore Coach shoes, carried Coach bags, wore diamond jewlrey, had fake nails, and their tans that they paid for 3 times a week made them stand out in a crowd. Not to mention how short they rolled their skirts to be---you could see their thongs if you were stuck behind them as they were climbing up a set of stairs in their stilletoes (you were allowed to wear any kind of shoe at my school as long as it was not a sneaker). My eyes have burned many times. If it's not clear by now...hah ya, I went to a Catholic high school. The girls there really are as bad as they are made out to be in the movies...even worse. They aren't all superficial and shallow...just...a good number. No matter what, people are always going to be judged or classified into different groups, regardless of clothing. |
Mr.Jingles 11.02.2009 17:48 |
If they Chili Peppers say it... |
YourValentine 08.04.2009 03:25 |
I wonder how you teach children to accept that people are different when you make them all look alike... |
JoxerTheDeityPirate 08.04.2009 06:01 |
YourValentine wrote: I wonder how you teach children to accept that people are different when you make them all look alike... which is probably why i ran out the school gates quicker than Usain Bolt on the very last day of school.. |
Killer Queenie 08.04.2009 14:09 |
I've always had to wear uniform, right from when I was starting Primary school at 5 to right now in my last year of High School. I think the biggest thing to adjust to was the whole "You have to wear a shirt, tuck it in, make sure your tie is 11 strips long (that was before they done away with the disgusting purple and mustard yellow tie with a royal blue one that has LHS and the sports college logo on it...) and has to be done up right to the neck. Make sure you are wearing proper school tailored trousers - no jeans - and skirts cannot be more than ten inches above or below the knee" kinda thing which still pisses us off today. I guess when you've worn uniform your whole life it kinda doesn't matter much and you don't really care for it (I couldn't are less if we have the stuff or not...) And as my cousin said, having a unform means you dont have to stress over what outfit you are gonna wear today and if people or not will take the piss out of you. [: |
thomasquinn 32989 08.04.2009 14:20 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: I wonder what everyone's opinion is on this. It's a new thing in my area. Junior high schools are now starting to require uniforms for all the kids - from shoes up to earrings and headgear. I'm not sure how I feel. My first reaction was to think how dare they, but that soon gave way to wanting to understand why they've decided to do this. I can easily see how the competition to one-up another with designer clothes would be squashed with everyone wearing uniforms, and I see how gang colors would be harder to display, but are those the sole reasons for this? There has to be more. Do they have uniforms in your area? Do you like the idea or not? They'll find a different way for competition. Ever been to England? They have school uniforms all over the place, but there's as much social competition and outcasting in schools with uniforms as in those without, all over the world. The only reason schools really want them is to enforce discipline, and I am not in favour of that to any significant extent. |