QueenZone discussion #1126290
Songs played live before being recorded or issued
| Sebastian 29.08.2008 11:32 |
One of those listings: SONGS PLAYED ON STAGE BEFORE BEING RECORDED: Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right (though Smile had recorded it) Great King Rat Liar Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll Son & Daughter Hangman See What a Fool I've Been Stone Cold Crazy Tie Your Mother Down You Take My Breath Away PROBABLY: The Night Comes Down Jesus Father to Son White Queen Ogre Battle SONGS DONE LIVE BEFORE BEING RELEASED, BESIDES OF COUSE THE ONES IN THE LISTS ABOVE: In The Lap Of The Gods Bring Back That Leroy Brown In The Lap Of The Gods... revisited Now I'm Here Sweet Lady The Prophet's Song Let Me Entertain You If You Can't Beat Them Dreamer's Ball Save Me Battle Theme The Hero Under Pressure (bit) Action This Day Staying Power Back Chat SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION Father to Son The March of the Black Queen Killer Queen Bring Back That Leroy Brown I'm in Love With My Car You're My Best Friend '39 Bohemian Rhapsody You Take My Breath Away The Millionaire Waltz White Man Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy My Melancholy Blues Mustapha Bicycle Race Dead on Time Fun It Las Palabras de Amor Machines Gimme the Prize SONGS NEVER PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN PLAYED LIVE AT ALL (by Queen, of course): Procession Some Day One Day Loser in the End Fairy Feller's Master Stroke Nevermore Funny How Love Is Tenement Funster Lily of the Valley Dear Friends Misfire She Makes Me Seaside Rendezvous Good Company God Save the Queen Long Away You and I Drowse All Dead Fight from the Inside Sleeping on the Sidewalk Who Needs You Jealousy In Only Seven Days Leaving Home Ain't Easy More of that Jazz Dancer Cool Cat Man on the Prowl Keep Passing the Open Windows One Year of Love Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Princes of the Universe |
| inu-liger 29.08.2008 12:07 |
"Don't Lose Your Head" Why is this in both "SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION" and "SONGS NEVER PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN PLAYED LIVE AT ALL"?? Mustapha My Melancholy Blues Sleeping on the Sidewalk (only once) You're My Best Friend These HAVE been played in full (unless you're disqualifying them cos Brian can't play a hundred guitar parts at once??), though rarely in some cases (esp. Mustapha). One more addition to "SONGS DONE LIVE BEFORE BEING RELEASED, BESIDES OF COUSE THE ONES IN THE LISTS ABOVE": Crazy Little Thing Called Love (album wise....though I guess having been released as a single around the few times they performed it on the Crazy Tour disqualifies this I guess??) Shows how much you don't listen to bootlegs at all, really. |
| Rick 29.08.2008 12:18 |
Edit: nevermind! |
| wstüssyb 29.08.2008 12:28 |
Who wants to live forever, did that not come out as a single after the Magic tour? |
| Wilki Amieva 29.08.2008 14:02 |
It seems that Sleeping On The Sidewalk was played a couple of times. |
| Sebastian 29.08.2008 14:09 |
inu-liger wrote: "Don't Lose Your Head" Why is this in both "SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION" and "SONGS NEVER PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN PLAYED LIVE AT ALL"??My mistake. Mustapha My Melancholy Blues Sleeping on the Sidewalk (only once) You're My Best Friend These HAVE been played in full (unless you're disqualifying them cos Brian can't play a hundred guitar parts at once??), though rarely in some cases (esp. Mustapha).Mustapha: second verse is missing. My Melancholy Blues: there's no recapitulation, it ends after the piano solo. So it's NOT a full version. Sleeping on the Sidewalk: Got any proof? Best Friend: The whole 'Whenever this world is cruel to me...' bit is missing. So it's NOT full. Crazy Little Thing Called Love (album wise....though I guess having been released as a single around the few times they performed it on the Crazy Tour disqualifies this I guess??CLTCL had been issued as single before being played live. Same for Killer Queen, Flick of the Wrist and Bo Rhap. Shows how much you don't listen to bootlegs at all, really.Show how much you can't even read at all, really. |
| Yara 29.08.2008 15:17 |
That was helpful and interesting! Thanks, Sebastian! Yes, and, if I may add, the live version of Save Me I like the most was played before the Game was released. So, it's really interesting. Thanks for all the info. Just a question, because I don't have the recording here at hand, I deleted it after listening to it a couple of times: don't they play the recapitulation of My Melancholy Blues in Paris 78, I think? Pittrek shared this one recently, I don't remember whether they played the whole thing or it ended with the piano solo. Anyone? Again, thanks for the info!!! An useful "Queen Guide". :-) |
| Yara 29.08.2008 15:32 |
Ah, and about "Who Needs You", yeah...such a pitty they never played it live! It's such a great song. News of The World was such a great album. There's a 1978 concert in which after Freddie announces they'd do something "more accoustic" from the "News of the World" someone in the audience shouts asking for, I guess, "Who Needs You". That's what I heard, at least. :o) Freddie replies and says they were going to do that one later on. Hehehe. By the way, I'd like to understand what Freddie says between the songs. Like, in the wonderful concert played in Leeds which was shared here recently, I think he says either before "Now I'm Here" or in the end of the first part of the song, just before the beginning of the Vocal Impro which served as a bridge to Dragon Attack, something like this: "As far as I'm concerned, I'm totally fucked". Again, if it sounds awkard, that's because I got it wrong. :-) I got the impression, though, that it was something like this, and it seemed he was refering to his voice. Hehehe. I'd be very glad and thankful if someone bothered to sort that out. :-))) |
| rockthecosmos2008 29.08.2008 17:16 |
Hi Who wants to live forever was sang live at wembley, and release in Sept. 1986 |
| Fireplace 29.08.2008 17:33 |
I wonder what exactly was missing from the live version of Father To Son? |
| Sebastian 29.08.2008 18:46 |
The coda, as far as I remember. |
| Raf 29.08.2008 20:08 |
Sleeping On The Sidewalk was indeed played... But by Brian May on his Another World tour, not by Queen. ;) He also performed Sail Away Sweet Sister once or twice. But I assume this is a Queen-only list. Depending on your concept of "Queen", I'm In Love With My Car was fully performed (including last verse) in 2005 and 2006. :P |
| Winter Land Man 29.08.2008 20:23 |
I know Freddie Mercury sung Princes Of The Universe live on the video shoot for it. He always sings along to the songs in videos, he doesn't lip synch! |
| inu-liger 30.08.2008 01:55 |
Raf wrote: Sleeping On The Sidewalk was indeed played... But by Brian May on his Another World tour, not by Queen. ;) He also performed Sail Away Sweet Sister once or twice. But I assume this is a Queen-only list. Depending on your concept of "Queen", I'm In Love With My Car was fully performed (including last verse) in 2005 and 2006. :PHis concept of Queen is the "RIP Queen 1991" brand favoured by trolls everywhere. Now coming to a dollar store near you. |
| inu-liger 30.08.2008 01:56 |
Jake? wrote: I know Freddie Mercury sung Princes Of The Universe live on the video shoot for it. He always sings along to the songs in videos, he doesn't lip synch!Yes, but he won't count that as being live, as he's only talking about concerts. |
| maxpower 30.08.2008 05:30 |
but who wants to live forever was already on the album which already released during the tour |
| Sebastian 30.08.2008 06:46 |
Yes. My point is which songs they played before an audience that couldn't have heard them prior to the event. In that case, I suppose some songs from 'The Game' also count, since the album was issued the same day as their first concert, and I suppose the Vancouver audience didn't have time to buy it, listen to it and join the queue (and I'm not sure if the release date was the same for UK and Canada, I suppose it wasn't but I could be wrong). |
| FriedChicken 30.08.2008 09:10 |
The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert. I don't know how reliable that is, but I think it's more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right? |
| Sebastian 30.08.2008 15:27 |
Good point. |
| Wilki Amieva 31.08.2008 10:39 |
FriedChicken wrote: The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert. I don't know how reliable that is, but I think it's more realiable than a story of an eye witness 30 years later, right?That's right. Still trying to find a link to the article. I am too lazy to go through my archive DVDs. |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2008 12:13 |
Nice lists! But I'll debate a couple of things...
Sebastian wrote: SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSIONWhite Man - the only thing omitted live was the flam at the end... so that's kind of pushing it, I think! My Melancholy Blues - perhaps you're thinking of the the Rare Live version from Houston which was edited down... they always played the whole song. Dead on Time Fun It Las Palabras de Amor Machines These four are also kind of pushing it, as they were only very brief references to the songs. These songs weren't actually rehearsed and performed as a band like all the others you listed in this category. Gimme the Prize - as far as I know, this was never referenced live. What show are you thinking of? FriedChicken wrote: The only proof of Sleeping on the Sidewalk being played live is a article in an American news paper the day after the concert.Have you got that handy? |
| Saint Jiub 31.08.2008 13:25 |
I heard a portion of Gimme the Prize in Brian's lone North American appearance in 1998 (Rockstock in a Chicago suburb) in a guitur medley as part of a 30 minute set ... perhaps Brian played of smal portion of it in one of his guitar solos in 1986. |
| Pim Derks 31.08.2008 15:39 |
I wish Brian did the Gimme The Prize solo in FBG during the QPR tour. |
| Yara 31.08.2008 18:42 |
Sebastian wrote: One of those listings: SONGS PLAYED ON STAGE BEFORE BEING RECORDED: Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right (though Smile had recorded it) Great King Rat Liar Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll Son & Daughter Hangman See What a Fool I've Been Stone Cold Crazy Tie Your Mother Down You Take My Breath Away PROBABLY: The Night Comes Down Jesus Father to Son White Queen Ogre BattleThat's interesting. I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...". :op Sorry! But since you're at it, I don't know, maybe it could be useful to fans, it'd be to me, I'm sure. Is the first live version of Save Me, for instance, that one from Glasgow, 1th December 1979? Or is there proof they played it even before in Birminghan or Manchester a couple of days earlier? That'd be interesting to know! Thanks a lot for the list, very interesting! |
| ezee 01.09.2008 03:25 |
There were 2 shows at the Glasgow Apollo for the "Crazy Tour" I was at the first show Nov 30th 79. That wasnt the night RT forgot the lyrics to IILWMC nor was the show taped (as far as i know).. They did play "Save Me" that night. Dunno if that helps, but there ya go. e. |
| Yara 01.09.2008 07:53 |
ezee wrote: There were 2 shows at the Glasgow Apollo for the "Crazy Tour" I was at the first show Nov 30th 79. That wasnt the night RT forgot the lyrics to IILWMC nor was the show taped (as far as i know).. They did play "Save Me" that night. Dunno if that helps, but there ya go. e.Wow. Thanks a million. It does help a lot. I love their performance of this song in Hammersmith Odeon, a couple of days later! So, the fact that they had been playing the song live for almost a month helps me understand why the performance is so out of the league - the song was still fresh, but they had already played it a couple of times and felt at ease with it. That one in Newcastle I don't like that much, funny, but then the sound quality of this gig is terrible, so it's hard to evaluate. But, wow, you WERE there at the Appollo. I wrote elsewhere that I love the gig at the Appollo in 1977, and the sound quality is superb. It made me wonder if the acoustics of the place helped - the sound is full, the harmonies sound as good as ever...it must have been a good place for them to play! And, then, you were at this one, which was not even taped! So...the question: what did you think about their performance? Where were you? Next to the stage? So on, so forth... :-)))) Any stories you'd like to share... :-) |
| Sebastian 01.09.2008 08:07 |
That's interesting. I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...".I think it's a very good idea. The following songs were reportedly played even before John Deacon joined the band (i.e. 1970-1971): Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right Great King Rat Liar Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll Son & Daughter Hangman Stone Cold Crazy As for 'See What a Fool I've Been', it's possible that Queen played it long before 1973, since it'd been a Smile number as well. But I've got no way to prove that. 'Tie Your Mother Down': Fred said (Circus mag, Jan 1977) that they'd played it at Hyde Park before recording it. We know it wasn't true because the HP gig's been heavily bootlegged, and the song wasn't on it. The usual theory is that Freddie mistook Hyde Park for another concert of the time (in either Edinburgh or Cardiff), especially considering 'As It Began' also mentions that. 'You Take My Breath Away' was indeed played at Hyde Park and probably the other three gigs as well. 'The Night Comes Down' and 'Jesus' appear on a handwritten setlist for 10th March 1972 (before the Trident sessions but after recording both songs at De Lane Lea Centre), but it doesn't necessarily mean they didn't play them before. According to Barry Mitchell, they didn't play those songs with him, so they surely were included only during the John Deacon era, but was it before or after September 1971? We can only guess for the moment. 'Father to Son' and 'Ogre Battle' were played at Golders Green on 13th September 1973, long before 'Queen II' was released, but after it'd been recorded. Whether they'd played those songs before August 1973 or not, again, is up to speculation. Judging by the fact 'Ogre Battle' was written in guitar, one could suppose Freddie'd composed it around the same time as songs from the first album ('Great King Rat', 'Liar', 'Jesus'), since from the second album onwards he wrote nearly everything on piano. Again, there's a lot of speculation there, and it wouldn't necessarily mean they'd played the song before that date anyway. 'White Queen' ... I've only heard it from 'Sheer Heart Attack' tour onwards, but it doesn't mean they didn't play it before. Since Brian had the song from his college years (though Smile never played it, according to Tim), it's possible that they did it around 1973 or even before. Now, something else I've been thinking, although it's a tape, not a live song: 'God Save the Queen'. On the documentary, Brian shows the tracksheet and it's sixteen-track, not twenty-four. That strongly suggests they did it for 'Queen II' sessions, not 'Sheer Heart Attack' since that one was twenty-four already (though Trident Studios still had sixteen). Moreover, it's in the same tape as 'Procession', and the piano sound does match the one at Trident (e.g. the famous Black Queen take). I think the earliest bootleg containing GStQ is from early 1975, the band had already played over a hundred concerts since September 1973, and no bootleg contains GStQ, but then again, no complete concert survives from that time (only a couple are out there, ending on the medley, which doesn't guarantee they taped the entire show): just because we don't see the IR or UV it doesn't mean they don't exist... So, either Brian and Roger had a last-minute Trident session sometime in late '74 or early '75 (not included in the 'Opera' credits because their problems with the Sheffield brothers), or GStQ actually comes from 'Queen II' sessions, and its tape at the end of concerts isn't in any bootleg for a number of reasons, none of them proving the recording didn't exist back then. Though, again, nothing absolutely proves it did either. Maybe Greg Brooks can stop rowing with QZers and help a little bit on this! 'Save Me': the earliest recording available for the public is indeed the one in Glasgow (1st December). Since no bootlegs from November survive (unless an elite collector has it), we can only speculate whether they played it then or not. |
| Yara 01.09.2008 12:20 |
Terrific! Many thanks, Sebastian. I never tought Liar was such an early composition. Freddie's vocal style is already so distinct there, and quite different from the take of other singers from successful bands at the time. At least quite different from those I can think of now...and, well, it's kind of tricky in terms of harmony too, so it's a surprise to me that he wrote that in the guitar, an instrument he always claimed to know nothing about! He was quite good from very early on! Well, thanks for all the info. It's very interesting. |
| ezee 01.09.2008 13:05 |
i love this topic.. thanks Sebastian! Couple of things,, I had what i believed to be a copy of a few songs from the Summer 76 Edinburgh show. It was an audience recording and Tie your Mother Down was on it. It sounded very raw, loose and some of the lyrics may even have been different.. I downloaded it a few yrs ago, im sure many of you guys must have a copy? Re: God save the Queen.. I think your on the right track Sebastian, id heard or read that it was originaly recorded during the Queen II sessions. Im sure Brian tells the whole story on The making of a Night at the Opera? Yara, The Nov 30th 1979 show at the Glasgow Apollo was very similar to the Hamersmith Xmas show one month later.. I was about halfway back in the stalls.. The lighting rig ill always remember as being very overwhelming!!! They opened that night with "Let me Entertain You" and i think they played "If you cant Beat Em" It was a Glasgow crowd so the energy was intense.. not like those sophisticated London audiences!!! e. |
| JeroenG 01.09.2008 17:18 |
Sebastian wrote: SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION Father to Son The March of the Black Queen Killer Queen Bring Back That Leroy Brown I'm in Love With My Car You're My Best Friend '39 Bohemian Rhapsody You Take My Breath Away The Millionaire Waltz White Man Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy My Melancholy Blues Mustapha Bicycle Race Dead on Time Fun It Las Palabras de Amor Machines Gimme the PrizeSince you're quite precisely with this... then Who Wants To Live Forever should be in this list too. They never performed the long and beautiful instrumental ending live. And Dreamers Ball omitted some repeats of the vocal/instrumental chorusses when they did it live if I'm right. |
| Sebastian 01.09.2008 18:56 |
Good points. |
| The Real Wizard 02.09.2008 11:53 |
Yara wrote: I don't want to abuse of your patience!, but it'd be great for people who don't know a lot about it, like myself and many others, if you added the info about when they probably played the songs for the first time, just a quick notice, like: "Tie Your Mother Down - First played, to the best of our knowledge, in..., 19...".I'm working on something similar for my website... a page with first/last (known) performances of songs, and notes on how they were performed. Sebastian wrote: 'Save Me': the earliest recording available for the public is indeed the one in Glasgow (1st December). Since no bootlegs from November survive (unless an elite collector has it), we can only speculate whether they played it then or not.I once spoke with someone who was very sure it was played in November, as he attended many of the Crazy Tour shows. |
| Winter Land Man 03.09.2008 16:15 |
Why was Fat Bottomed Girls played live so few times? Why didn't Queen play Princes Of The Universe live? |
| MercuryArts 04.09.2008 00:25 |
Sebastian wrote: One of those listings: SONGS NEVER DONE LIVE IN FULL VERSION White ManWhat art of this wasn't played live? It sounds complete to me on the Races tour. Thanks, Steve |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2008 15:10 |
Jake? wrote: Why was Fat Bottomed Girls played live so few times?It was played at almost every show between 78-82... that's a couple hundred times or so. Why didn't Queen play Princes Of The Universe live?There were too many voices on the album, and there were a lot of changes... it would've been pretty hard to pull that one off. |
| Winter Land Man 04.09.2008 17:03 |
Sir GH wrote:That's not much.Jake? wrote: Why was Fat Bottomed Girls played live so few times?It was played at almost every show between 78-82... that's a couple hundred times or so.Why didn't Queen play Princes Of The Universe live?There were too many voices on the album, and there were a lot of changes... it would've been pretty hard to pull that one off. |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2008 22:45 |
That's relative to one's idea of "much", isn't it? |