| pbar 28.08.2008 03:17 |
After having several versions of the Hammermsith 1975 Christmas concert, with varying quality and track listing, can anyone help me please in directing me to a definitive version, to end all versions! I'm after this in reasonable quality, but most important of all, with all of the songs included, the Queen songs which are often missing as well as the rock n' roll medley. Thanks! |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 04:11 |
Try asking Queen Productions. They have it but they're hoarding stuff and refusing to trade. |
| brians wig 28.08.2008 05:29 |
tomashenka wrote: Try asking Queen Productions. They have it but they're hoarding stuff and refusing to trade.You're talking rubbish Tomashenka. I heard of a bloke who did some trading with Queen Productions many years ago. He copied some stuff and in return they gave him a jail sentence! :) |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 06:15 |
brians wig wrote: You're talking rubbish Tomashenka. I heard of a bloke who did some trading with Queen Productions many years ago. He copied some stuff and in return they gave him a jail sentence! :)Jeez, I was lucky then :-) |
| 928 28.08.2008 06:40 |
tomashenka wrote: Try asking Queen Productions. They have it but they're hoarding stuff and refusing to trade.No they don't.The BBC have it. It was part of the Old Grey Whistle Test.It was a BBC production and nothing to do with Queen Productions. If QP do have it,then it will only be a copy from the Beebs master reels which was the usual deal as was with Eltons Xmas show the previous year & Rod Stewart's the following year & the Kinks the year after that. |
| pbar 28.08.2008 06:54 |
Thanks for your replies guys. I have a good quality version of this - that Japanese one, you know, with the guy giving the intro in Japanese, can't remember the programme name, but it doesn't have Keep Yourself Alive on it, or the medley at the end. And I've had the Whistle Test one before now also. The Japanese one with KYA and the medley would be brilliant, as the quality on that is really good. Does that not exist somewhere? Cheers. |
| onevsion 28.08.2008 07:16 |
928 wrote:Hey!tomashenka wrote: Try asking Queen Productions. They have it but they're hoarding stuff and refusing to trade.No they don't.The BBC have it. It was part of the Old Grey Whistle Test.It was a BBC production and nothing to do with Queen Productions. If QP do have it,then it will only be a copy from the Beebs master reels which was the usual deal as was with Eltons Xmas show the previous year & Rod Stewart's the following year & the Kinks the year after that. Finished the Houston dvd's already? Send you the lossless cd's ages ago... |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 09:52 |
928 wrote: No they don't.The BBC have it. It was part of the Old Grey Whistle Test.It was a BBC production and nothing to do with Queen Productions.You're correct, of course. I was merely taking a dig at QP and how, if they learn of something out there that they don't have, offer you the earth (well, money) to acquire it and then conveniently lose it, say it was stolen (or deny it ever existed) and steadfastly refuse to share it with us, the mere mortals who helped place them in their ivory towers. The BBC - now there's a story. Technically everything they have in their archives belongs to us, the licence payer. For some lesser programmes you are entitled to ask them for a copy which in the case of a local TV show they actually did supply on VHS to a friend of an old schoolteacher of mine. They may well 'own' the OGWT Command Performance show from Hammersmith but any attempts to release it to the public will rely upon QP agreeing and that isn't likely to happen, I think we're all in unison on that. They (the BBC) can't even rebroadcast it in it's entirety (only with edits, I'm told) as they need the permission of QP for that. When they had the Whistle test all-nighter back in the 80s ('85 was it?), despite the Xmas show being voted for for rebroadcast by the viewers, they only showed about 30mins (the second half, IIRC - I'll have to check it out.) T. |
| 928 28.08.2008 10:48 |
tomashenka wrote:
Technically everything they have in their archives belongs to us, the licence payerYou are mis-informed i'm afraid. The licence fee is only for you to recieve a broadcast should you wish to & not payment for a show to be recorded.But i do understand where you are going on the thought line. Ducksoup wrote: Hey! Finished the Houston dvd's already? Send you the lossless cd's ages ago...Not yet Ducksoup.I havn't forgotten you though dood...don't worry. Yes the CDs were lossless ,but lossless from a VHS which over time had been stretched(probably from mass playing) therefore there are sync issues about every 15 seconds. Theory 2. It could also be that the VHS it was from had been from a PAL VHS and not a NTSC native recording. So basically ,without going into technical details, a lot more work is required unless a lossless from a NTSC turns up.Or Bob lets me have the Sbd rec ;) |
| pbar 28.08.2008 11:18 |
So, does anyone know where this can be downloaded from please, it's such a great gig! |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 11:37 |
928 wrote: You are mis-informed i'm afraid. The licence fee is only for you to recieve a broadcast should you wish to & not payment for a show to be recorded.But i do understand where you are going on the thought line.OK, to rephrase it then: in the BBC's case, access to its programming archive is part of its charter. How much of an obstacle they put in your way when you try to access it is another thing. Like I said, I know of a person who was sent VHS cassettes of local programmes when he asked. Whether that was a simple goodwill gesture by the BBC or is the case in general I know not. T |
| Rick 28.08.2008 12:47 |
No offence, but what's wrong with the WoWoW-version? Okay the sound is mono, but the picture quality is really excellent. Just buy a Harmon Kardon-set and play the baby! |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 13:13 |
Rick wrote: No offence, but what's wrong with the WoWoW-version? Okay the sound is mono, but the picture quality is really excellent.For me, and you can mock and ridicule me as much as you like, the opening of Now I'm Here with Freddie moving around and playing the silhouette has to be present to make this show complete. I was too young in 1975 to go to concerts. I'd bought my first Queen records earlier in the year (the Now I'm Here 45 was my first exposure to Queen at the age of 10, previously I'd purchased 45s by Sweet, T Rex, Slade and Mud but I count the early months of 1975 as when I started to buy what I wanted rather than what was cool and in the magazines, anybody remember Look-In?) so my first exposure of Queen live was that Hammersmith Odeon Command Performance. I begged my parents to let me stay up to watch it, there were no videos in those days, so they had to agree. Nobody expected the rebroadcast a year later. Anyway, after the Bob Harris top hat and tails introduction came the opening notes of Now I'm Here with the little silhouette trick and to me, at the time (and OK, even now having recently acquired a version of the show on DVD with the intact intro) I thought it was dead neat. It's a moment that has lived with me all my life and my own personal little bit of magic that I thought I'd never see again...especially after the rebroadcasts cut this piece out. So, any version of Hammy O from 1975 just has to have this introduction to qualify as the real thing. T. |
| pittrek 28.08.2008 13:30 |
Such a DVD of course DOES exist, with excellent video and audio |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 13:41 |
pittrek wrote: Such a DVD of course DOES exist, with excellent video and audioWithout the sudden change in audio quality in the NIH intro as in the hybrid DVD shared here? |
| pittrek 28.08.2008 13:50 |
tomashenka wrote:the audio track comes from the soundboard and not from the video mixpittrek wrote: Such a DVD of course DOES exist, with excellent video and audioWithout the sudden change in audio quality in the NIH intro as in the hybrid DVD shared here? |
| Mercury 90 28.08.2008 14:11 |
I am working on a complete version of the concert, I took all the parts that are missing in the japanese version from the original broadcast! I could post a sample of it, if you are interested! |
| pbar 28.08.2008 14:16 |
Quote From Rick - No offence, but what's wrong with the WoWoW-version? Okay the sound is mono, but the picture quality is really excellent. Well my version has KYA missing and the end medley missing. The WoWoW version is great yes, just want those bits included and I'd be very happy. Just wish I could download it from somewhere. |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 14:18 |
pittrek wrote: the audio track comes from the soundboard and not from the video mixYes, but there are still problems with it so it cannot be classed as the definitive version just yet. Soundboard audio or not, at the beginning of NIH there is a click and a definite change in the audio quality, I'm guessing from the original video soundtrack to the soundboard audio. And there's the tape mangle some moments further in. I'm not moaning or complaining about the DVD, just pointing out that what is presented is not perfect. As it stands, I love it and think Stone Cold Leo has done a fantastic job. Another upgrade would be beyond belief. T. |
| pittrek 28.08.2008 14:54 |
tomashenka wrote:No, you don't understand me.pittrek wrote: the audio track comes from the soundboard and not from the video mixYes, but there are still problems with it so it cannot be classed as the definitive version just yet. Soundboard audio or not, at the beginning of NIH there is a click and a definite change in the audio quality, I'm guessing from the original video soundtrack to the soundboard audio. And there's the tape mangle some moments further in. I'm not moaning or complaining about the DVD, just pointing out that what is presented is not perfect. As it stands, I love it and think Stone Cold Leo has done a fantastic job. Another upgrade would be beyond belief. T. I'm NOT talking about the DVD which was shared here, but about my DVD which does NOT feature the video mix, but a soundboard mix. |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 15:19 |
pittrek wrote: No, you don't understand me. I'm NOT talking about the DVD which was shared here, but about my DVD which does NOT feature the video mix, but a soundboard mix.Ah, one of yours. Please tell me it'll be shared someday, please. I'd offer you a special tomashenka hug for one of your fabulous shares, only trouble with that is you probably wouldn't be able to share anything else afterwards so would you settle for copious gratitude and a place in my heart instead? T. |
| pbar 28.08.2008 15:58 |
So does anybody know please, how or where I can download a copy of this gig which includes KYA and the end medley? |
| tomashenka 28.08.2008 17:06 |
pbar wrote: So does anybody know please, how or where I can download a copy of this gig which includes KYA and the end medley?Erm, oh yeah you did ask right at the beginning. Well, this version has KYA and the medley but the pic quality isn't anywhere near the *absolute* best version around and it has the timecode at the top to detract even further. The sound is for the most part from the stereo radio broadcast and enjoyably so. The silhouette intro to NIH is present as is Bob's introduction. Read the thread, read the notes and decide for yourself. link |
| EdFredrick 28.08.2008 17:22 |
pbar wrote: So does anybody know please, how or where I can download a copy of this gig which includes KYA and the end medley?This copy has it. I belive it is basically from the same Japanese broadcast, since it has WOWOW in the corner but without the Japanese hosts introducing it. But I think it is the complete re-broadcast (with the same dialoge cuts as the other, but with all the songs)from a DVD by "Room 101 Entertainment" link |
| Rick 28.08.2008 17:30 |
pbar wrote: Quote From Rick - No offence, but what's wrong with the WoWoW-version? Okay the sound is mono, but the picture quality is really excellent. Well my version has KYA missing and the end medley missing. The WoWoW version is great yes, just want those bits included and I'd be very happy. Just wish I could download it from somewhere.My version has it. If you mean the whole song + medley. Cause they are definitely on mine. Some speeches before KYA are cut though. |
| pbar 29.08.2008 01:59 |
Brilliant, thanks guys. Downloading it right now, the ...silvers torrent. It's gonna take a few days I think, but will be well worth it to me. A fantastic gig by the greatest band there has ever been, right in their prime. What's not to love? |
| deltazulu 30.08.2008 19:12 |
i've been waiting for a trader who knows what he's talking about to send me the room 101 version...that seems to be one of the best ones out there according to some people i trust.
EdFredrick wrote:pbar wrote: So does anybody know please, how or where I can download a copy of this gig which includes KYA and the end medley?This copy has it. I belive it is basically from the same Japanese broadcast, since it has WOWOW in the corner but without the Japanese hosts introducing it. But I think it is the complete re-broadcast (with the same dialoge cuts as the other, but with all the songs)from a DVD by "Room 101 Entertainment" link |