QueenZone discussion #1124583

Treasure Moment wrote: Ruining* I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger but whats the point of releasing this album and having the Queen name in it? without john and SPECIALLY Freddie its not Queen and this album wont sell 1/10 of what a real Queen album would sell. They were the best band on the planet and by this move they are hurting themselves. They should have just worked on their solo albums.

Jake? wrote: What's the point of Mike Love and Bruce Johnston performing as 'The Beach Boys' with Beach Boy cover band musicians, even though two of the other official members are dead, and the other two are doing solo concerts and albums? What name do you suggest for the Brian, Roger, and Paul project? Half Of Queen And A Quarter Of Bad Company?

vadenuez wrote:

Jake? wrote: What's the point of Mike Love and Bruce Johnston performing as 'The Beach Boys' with Beach Boy cover band musicians, even though two of the other official members are dead, and the other two are doing solo concerts and albums? What name do you suggest for the Brian, Roger, and Paul project? Half Of Queen And A Quarter Of Bad Company?

There's no point at all. It's just a matter of who owns the right to keep the name as in Pink Floyd. They can be as well called Queen+PR, Queen minus Freddie & John or whatever they want. Queen's old vibe is gone. They're a whole new band now.

Jake? wrote: What's the point of Mike Love and Bruce Johnston performing as 'The Beach Boys' with Beach Boy cover band musicians, even though two of the other official members are dead, and the other two are doing solo concerts and albums? What name do you suggest for the Brian, Roger, and Paul project? Half Of Queen And A Quarter Of Bad Company?

Treasure Moment wrote:

vadenuez wrote: There's no point at all. It's just a matter of who owns the right to keep the name as in Pink Floyd. They can be as well called Queen+PR, Queen minus Freddie & John or whatever they want. Queen's old vibe is gone. They're a whole new band now.

Yes i know but i mean everyone knows that Freddie was the reason Queen got big in the first place, without him the band would have NEVER got this succesful, thats just a fact. I just think its sad that they are using the Queen name when its not Queen and that this album will sell ALOT less than a real Queen album would, i just think its embaressing thats all.

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: ugh, another stupid post on the legacy.... what do you suggest they call the band TM?

Treasure Moment wrote:

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: ugh, another stupid post on the legacy.... what do you suggest they call the band TM?

They should have just continued with their solo projects or called it something else because to use the queen name is just silly. They are just embaressing themselves and ruining the legacy with this, i respect them alot but they have to face the truth, without freddie there is no point in going on, john clearly understood that. its like owning a big stadium and years later instead of the owner being the cleaner of the place. They just cant reach the same level of success with this, not even remotely close so they are just embaressing themselves, better to face the facts and give it a rest like john did.

Treasure Moment wrote: Ruining* I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger but whats the point of releasing this album and having the Queen name on it? without john and SPECIALLY Freddie its not Queen and this album wont sell 1/10 of what a real Queen album would sell. They were the best band on the planet and by this move they are hurting themselves. They should have just worked on their solo albums.

Adolfo wrote: treasure moment, u can suck my ass and balls, u piece of disrespectful garbage, fuck you!! respect the fucking forum and respect Queen, and yes this is the new queen regardles of whatever the fuck u think so fuck you! P.S. FUCK YOU AND UR STUPID MUSIC

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: ugh, another stupid post on the legacy.... what do you suggest they call the band TM?

They should have just continued with their solo projects or called it something else because to use the queen name is just silly. They are just embaressing themselves and ruining the legacy with this, i respect them alot but they have to face the truth, without freddie there is no point in going on, john clearly understood that. its like owning a big stadium and years later instead of the owner being the cleaner of the place. They just cant reach the same level of success with this, not even remotely close so they are just embaressing themselves, better to face the facts and give it a rest like john did.

why don't you give your "music" a rest? John Deacon keeps most of his mouth shut about Q+PR, why can't you?

inu-liger wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: Ruining* I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger but whats the point of releasing this album and having the Queen name on it? without john and SPECIALLY Freddie its not Queen and this album wont sell 1/10 of what a real Queen album would sell. They were the best band on the planet and by this move they are hurting themselves. They should have just worked on their solo albums.

Fucking hyprocrite you are, firing two of your members and having the hairy balls to carry on as Treasure Moment, despite being half the band you used to be.

Jake? wrote: Freddie Mercury wasn't the whole of Queen. Sorry, ass licker, but you're lying. Like everyone has asked, what would YOU name them then? Yes, we know you think they should name it something else, but what would YOU name it?

freddiesfairy wrote: I don't think they're ruining the legacy but I do agree they should come up with a new name because it would be better received.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Adolfo wrote: treasure moment, u can suck my ass and balls, u piece of disrespectful garbage, fuck you!! respect the fucking forum and respect Queen, and yes this is the new queen regardles of whatever the fuck u think so fuck you! P.S. FUCK YOU AND UR STUPID MUSIC

wow am i talking to a braindead monkey? yes i think so

Adolfo wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Adolfo wrote: treasure moment, u can suck my ass and balls, u piece of disrespectful garbage, fuck you!! respect the fucking forum and respect Queen, and yes this is the new queen regardles of whatever the fuck u think so fuck you! P.S. FUCK YOU AND UR STUPID MUSIC

wow am i talking to a braindead monkey? yes i think so

Is that the best u have?? fuck, I dont know why I even bother with a talentless asshole like yourself

Adolfo wrote: Fuck you u piece of shit, good learn to writte somoe good songs insted of spilling ur bullshit at this forum

Punkrocker555 wrote: This album isnt a Queen album... its a Queen + Paul Rodgers album!!! If you listen to the video on the album club, Brian calls this a new band

Tero wrote:

Punkrocker555 wrote: This album isnt a Queen album... its a Queen + Paul Rodgers album!!! If you listen to the video on the album club, Brian calls this a new band

So... The name of this brand new band is "Queen and Paul Rodgers", and it's purely a coincidence that it consists of the remains of the band called Queen, and another guy called Paul Rodgers... You know, as in "Queen" and "Paul Rodgers"? This is the other "pro QPR" argument I've never understood (the other being "Queen is four equal members if it includes Freddie, but two is enough without him"). According to all the conventions of band naming (and English grammar, I believe) a "Band and an Artist" means a band featuring (bot not included in the band!) an additional member, and "Artist and a Band" means a solo star and his backing band. Using the old Queen name there is no way around either of these images, and they have chosen to emphasise the Queen part... Good for the business, but not really a logical choice if you claim this to be a new band with new identity.

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henke1980 wrote: Since your so full off love for yourself, TM, my guess is that you think you're the Freddie Mercury of your beloved band. What if the founder of your so called band quit along with everyone exept you to continiue their music "career" for themself, without you. Would it be ok for them to call themselfes Treasure Moment? Lets not forget that Queen or Smile, whatever, was built by Brian, Roger, Tim Staffel and later Freddie.

henke1980 wrote: The truth from your point of view. You have to respect others aswell witch I have seen a great lack of here.

henke1980 wrote: If you think that your OPINIONS is share FACT, then you're more stupid than I thought OR you're so fucking obsessed with thyself that you have to jerk off twice a day infront of a mirror to not explode by love for yourself. If you're so pissed off about Q+PR then why are you still here? Freddie is not coming back, nor John. ACCEPT THAT!

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: If you think that your OPINIONS is share FACT, then you're more stupid than I thought OR you're so fucking obsessed with thyself that you have to jerk off twice a day infront of a mirror to not explode by love for yourself. If you're so pissed off about Q+PR then why are you still here? Freddie is not coming back, nor John. ACCEPT THAT!

take it easy, im just saying obvious logical things.

Miss Valentine wrote: I see where you're coming from, TM. Queen+Paul Rodgers is not and will never be Queen. But then again, Brian and Roger aren't claiming they are.

Miss Valentine wrote: In fact, they said that they are trying to change their sound and image. They don't *want* to be Queen anymore; they want to do something different because they recognize, just as we do, that Queen has been gone since the other fifty percent of the band left.

Miss Valentine wrote: I credit the fact they're using the Queen name due more in part to lack of imagination than lack of respect. I mean, look at the new album's name, and the name of past albums. Dispute this point if you'd like, but that's my opinion.

Jake? wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: If you think that your OPINIONS is share FACT, then you're more stupid than I thought OR you're so fucking obsessed with thyself that you have to jerk off twice a day infront of a mirror to not explode by love for yourself. If you're so pissed off about Q+PR then why are you still here? Freddie is not coming back, nor John. ACCEPT THAT!

take it easy, im just saying obvious logical things.

Smile had more success than The Hectics, Wreckage, and Sour Milk Sea all put together. Now that's a FACT!

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Spot the hypocrite again..... Treasure Moment.... truly boring the QZ forums with his blinkered views.... and to back up his "facts", he replies with the tired old "You clearly dont know much about Queen" shite.... Yawn.......

Jake? wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Again. Smile had more success than The Hectics, Wreckage, and Sour Milk Sea all put together. Now that's a FACT! Freddie couldn't even get a record deal.

mike hunt wrote:

Jake? wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Again. Smile had more success than The Hectics, Wreckage, and Sour Milk Sea all put together. Now that's a FACT! Freddie couldn't even get a record deal.

yea, but wasn't it the freddie songs killer Queen, and obviously Bo Rhap that got queen on the map. If it wasn't for those songs queen would have broken up, now that's a fact. In the words of brian may.

Treasure Moment wrote:

mike hunt wrote:

Jake? wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Again. Smile had more success than The Hectics, Wreckage, and Sour Milk Sea all put together. Now that's a FACT! Freddie couldn't even get a record deal.

yea, but wasn't it the freddie songs killer Queen, and obviously Bo Rhap that got queen on the map. If it wasn't for those songs queen would have broken up, now that's a fact. In the words of brian may.

Exactly! without freddie Queen would never got this big, he wasnt an ordinary musician, he was the absolute best and still is.

mike hunt wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

mike hunt wrote:

Jake? wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: I have ALOT of respect for brian and roger

Treasure Moment wrote: freddie wasnt just a member, he basically was Queen.

Spot the hypocrisy..... By saying that Freddie was basically Queen, you are disrespecting Brian, Roger and John. Yes Freddie was (and still is) a great singer, piano player and writer of some of the best songs going. However, he couldnt hold a candle to Brians guitar orchestration and playing which adorned nearly all of Freddie's songs. Its the same with Roger. Roger did some of the best drumming and general percussion and backing vocals both on record and live on stage. John's bass playing with Queen is just exquisite. No one, in my opinion, has beaten him so far although Danny Miranda has done an excellent job doing John's stuff live these days. Even his triangle playing is a joy. Simply put, although he could play a bit of rhythm guitar he wasnt anywhere near as good as Brian. Although he did play the tambourine and the maracas, he wasnt as good as Roger. And lastly, to the best of my knowledge, he never played bass. So he certainly wasnt as good as John. Finally, he was certainly not the conveyor of all the great idea's in the band. Infact he came up with some of the worst ones. His original idea for Wembley 1986 stage where he wanted to fly in on a huge cock straight into a pair of mens lips (*), which was thankfully given the boot by the rest of the band, was a particular horror. And those are facts. (*) corrected by Jake (I originally said it was an asshole that he wanted to fly into - DOH). Thanks

in what world are you living in? wake up! freddie was the MAIN reason they got that succesful, his voice, songwriting, everything about him, you think they would EVER get this big without him? i dont think so. You clearly dont know much about Queen and who made them as big as they are. Of course john, brian and roger are all brilliant musicians but without freddie none of this would have ever happened on this scale!

Again. Smile had more success than The Hectics, Wreckage, and Sour Milk Sea all put together. Now that's a FACT! Freddie couldn't even get a record deal.

yea, but wasn't it the freddie songs killer Queen, and obviously Bo Rhap that got queen on the map. If it wasn't for those songs queen would have broken up, now that's a fact. In the words of brian may.

Exactly! without freddie Queen would never got this big, he wasnt an ordinary musician, he was the absolute best and still is.

don't think I'm siding with you. your a little weezel as far as I'm concerned. My only point is your trying to make freddie out to be so far ahead of the other three (which he's not). And this other weezel (whatever his name is) is trying to downgrade freddie's input by saying he never got a record deal without brian and roger. He only wrote the bands first three hits. Without those hits they would have disbanded, That's a fact!... It's a stupid argument on both ends. Freddie mercury sure wasn't an ordinary frontman, but like someone already mentioned brian isn't Just an ordinary guitarist. IMO, freddie, brian, roger and John wouldn't have made it if they didn't Join forces. They were already in their mid to late twenties when Queen was released.

kingogre wrote: Robert Plant, Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler, Steve Marriott, Ozzy Ousbourne, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers, Rod Stewart...?

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: Robert Plant, Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler, Steve Marriott, Ozzy Ousbourne, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers, Rod Stewart...?

those people are Ok and im sure they may have got a little big since these people mentioned here got big because of the lack of demand of quality from music buyers. They are ok but not on the same musical genius level of Freddie not to mention his supernatural voice.

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: Robert Plant, Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler, Steve Marriott, Ozzy Ousbourne, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers, Rod Stewart...?

those people are Ok and im sure they may have got a little big since these people mentioned here got big because of the lack of demand of quality from music buyers. They are ok but not on the same musical genius level of Freddie not to mention his supernatural voice.

Lack of demand of quality, you mjust be joking... Freddie was unique and so couldnt be replaced, but extremely talented musicians and songwriters like Brian, Roger and John would probably have hit it very big if they had happened to team up with any of these instead of Freddie.

henke1980 wrote: You can discuss this for ages with this guy you'll get nothing out of it. And when he's out of arguments his only response will be: "Freddie Mercury is god, and that's a fact." Do you also think that the Led Zeppelin line Plant, Page, Jones and John Bonhams son Jason is most certanly not Led Zeppelin. I know it a longshot but hey, "Kiss" anyone? Lets be honest. If Freddie would have died in the 70's this conversation would have never taken place in the same ammount it does today. Now, 2008, Queen is more or less about making money. Of course Brian and Roger enjoys it cause they have no economic reason to do it, think it safe to say. If you ask them why they play, what, four dates in Germany and none in Scandinavia, I'm almost certain they have no honest answer for you. The recordcompany might. It's all about making money. Sad but true. I'd love to see them again this tour.

kingogre wrote: I dont agree with you. It would have been a very different band but that is beside the point. Brian May is one of the best and most influential electric guitarists ever, you can not just dismiss him like this. And Roger and John has written some of the biggest selling singles the band ever had.During the 80s, when the band where at its biggest, the best selling singles were actually written by the other band members. Dont get me wrong we all love Freddie as a performer and a musician, but its not fair to claim he was the only thing worthwhile in Queen. What do you mean with "these people got big because of the lack of demand of quality from the record buyers"?

kingogre wrote: So youre saying Robert Plant, Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler, Steve Marriott, Ozzy Ousbourne, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers and Rod Stewart arent/werent that good? So Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Free, Faces, Aerosmith and Humble Pie just happened to get big even though they werent that good?

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Treasure Moment wrote: without john and SPECIALLY Freddie its not Queen and this album wont sell 1/10 of what a real Queen album would sell.

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: So youre saying Robert Plant, Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler, Steve Marriott, Ozzy Ousbourne, David Coverdale, Paul Rodgers and Rod Stewart arent/werent that good? So Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Free, Faces, Aerosmith and Humble Pie just happened to get big even though they werent that good?

yeah i dont think they are specially good at all, they are all average.

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: I dont agree with you. It would have been a very different band but that is beside the point. Brian May is one of the best and most influential electric guitarists ever, you can not just dismiss him like this. And Roger and John has written some of the biggest selling singles the band ever had.During the 80s, when the band where at its biggest, the best selling singles were actually written by the other band members. Dont get me wrong we all love Freddie as a performer and a musician, but its not fair to claim he was the only thing worthwhile in Queen. What do you mean with "these people got big because of the lack of demand of quality from the record buyers"?

Im saying that those artists arent that good but go big anyways. Of course brian is a great guitarist, imo the best in the world when it comes to writing memorable good solos, its just that i think freddie had a huge impact even on their songs, just look at the making of "one vision" and "its a kinda magic" which freddie basically remade.

Treasure Moment wrote:

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: ugh, another stupid post on the legacy.... what do you suggest they call the band TM?

They should have just continued with their solo projects or called it something else because to use the queen name is just silly. They are just embaressing themselves and ruining the legacy with this, i respect them alot but they have to face the truth, without freddie there is no point in going on, john clearly understood that. its like owning a big stadium and years later instead of the owner being the cleaner of the place. They just cant reach the same level of success with this, not even remotely close so they are just embaressing themselves, better to face the facts and give it a rest like john did.

why don't you give your "music" a rest? John Deacon keeps most of his mouth shut about Q+PR, why can't you?

stop trying to be "funny"

Knute wrote: Why people argue with a guy who claims his little Myspace band is greater than the Beatles I'll never know.

henke1980 wrote: When I was young, many years ago I came across this band who called themselfs Queen. I came to fall in love with their music almost instantly. I also came to belive that exept The Beatles and Elvis, Queen were the biggest.(This is the state in wich TM still lingers) I later grew up to discover Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, The Who and many many great bands and artists. Freddie Mercury was really unique in many ways but I think his solo stuff IS NOWHERE NEAR the stuff he made together with Brian, Roger and John(even though it's great). The same with The Cross and Brian. Lets not forget The Immortals!(Shivers!) Ozzy made it after BS, Plant made it after LZ etc. etc. And in my opinion they still got the "special stuff" even without their former groups. They complete eachother. Finally my point is, even though Freddie's gone they still got some of their magic left cause not all of it came from him. Maybe I got lost here and is completly offtopic...HAHA. Ah, screw it. I'll post it anyway!

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: When I was young, many years ago I came across this band who called themselfs Queen. I came to fall in love with their music almost instantly. I also came to belive that exept The Beatles and Elvis, Queen were the biggest.(This is the state in wich TM still lingers) I later grew up to discover Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, The Who and many many great bands and artists. Freddie Mercury was really unique in many ways but I think his solo stuff IS NOWHERE NEAR the stuff he made together with Brian, Roger and John(even though it's great). The same with The Cross and Brian. Lets not forget The Immortals!(Shivers!) Ozzy made it after BS, Plant made it after LZ etc. etc. And in my opinion they still got the "special stuff" even without their former groups. They complete eachother. Finally my point is, even though Freddie's gone they still got some of their magic left cause not all of it came from him. Maybe I got lost here and is completly offtopic...HAHA. Ah, screw it. I'll post it anyway!

you are living in a dreamworld buddy, freddies solo stuff could have EASILY been QUEEN Songs and wait a minute, wasnt SEVERAl of his solo songs used in the made in heaven album which sold over 20 million copies?

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: When I was young, many years ago I came across this band who called themselfs Queen. I came to fall in love with their music almost instantly. I also came to belive that exept The Beatles and Elvis, Queen were the biggest.(This is the state in wich TM still lingers) I later grew up to discover Sabbath, Zeppelin, Purple, The Who and many many great bands and artists. Freddie Mercury was really unique in many ways but I think his solo stuff IS NOWHERE NEAR the stuff he made together with Brian, Roger and John(even though it's great). The same with The Cross and Brian. Lets not forget The Immortals!(Shivers!) Ozzy made it after BS, Plant made it after LZ etc. etc. And in my opinion they still got the "special stuff" even without their former groups. They complete eachother. Finally my point is, even though Freddie's gone they still got some of their magic left cause not all of it came from him. Maybe I got lost here and is completly offtopic...HAHA. Ah, screw it. I'll post it anyway!

you are living in a dreamworld buddy, freddies solo stuff could have EASILY been QUEEN Songs and wait a minute, wasnt SEVERAl of his solo songs used in the made in heaven album which sold over 20 million copies?

kingogre wrote: Freddies solo-songs are at best filler-material in terms of Queen-quality. (Even if they are better than some of the crap they DID use as filler, which incidentially many times were written by Freddie). The only exception I can think of is Love Kills, but that was originally recorded as a Queensong. Made in heaven is nice but the Queen-version is miles better than the solo. The Freddie solo stuff is nice but all in all I find it to be lacking since he doesnt have the backing from the rest of the band. The same can be said for the other solorecords, except for Brian who actually manages to capture some of the Queen-magic, which says a lot about how important his guitarplaying was for the sound and Electric Fire since Roger doesnt even try for it to sound like Queen. All in all it illustrates very nicely how important the members were for each other.

henke1980 wrote: Oh my god, you're so full of it! Get you shit together and go see a doctor for crying out loud. For once I agree with you saying that the Barcelona album is complex.BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT QUEEN? WHO ARE YOU? Claiming Freddie Mercury as a god and really mean A GOD. Get a grip. Go see a shrink.

henke1980 wrote: Oh my god, you're so full of it! Get you shit together and go see a doctor for crying out loud. For once I agree with you saying that the Barcelona album is complex.BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT QUEEN? WHO ARE YOU? Claiming Freddie Mercury as a god and really mean A GOD. Get a grip. Go see a shrink.

Mr Mercury wrote:

henke1980 wrote: Oh my god, you're so full of it! Get you shit together and go see a doctor for crying out loud. For once I agree with you saying that the Barcelona album is complex.BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT QUEEN? WHO ARE YOU? Claiming Freddie Mercury as a god and really mean A GOD. Get a grip. Go see a shrink.

Henke, its time to let this troll go. He is clearly living on planet Freddie. No matter what you say to him, he will hit you with the same shit "you know nothing about Queen" (yawn!!!) tired excuse for a come back. Despite the fact that I proved him to be a hypocrite he still cant - or wont - see that. As P-Staker says, he has proclaimed himself Pope. As for the Barcelona album, yes it is complex, but then Freddie did have a huge amount of help from his co-writer (of most of the songs) Mike Moran, lyricist Tim Rice (on one song) and some trained and well respected opera-singing diva called Montserrat Caballe. So it would be unfair to say that it was all Freddie's work. Freddie had an important part in its making. And finally, although it was unintentional, TM is correct in his naming of this thread. Brian and Roger are run(n)ing the legacy. Freddie is dead (unfortunately), John has retired so it is left up to the remaining two to run the legacy that they have been, and still are, a part of. Oh and Treasure Moment, please dont bother replying to this post as I shall just ignore you from now on.

henke1980 wrote:

Mr Mercury wrote:

henke1980 wrote: Oh my god, you're so full of it! Get you shit together and go see a doctor for crying out loud. For once I agree with you saying that the Barcelona album is complex.BUT WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT QUEEN? WHO ARE YOU? Claiming Freddie Mercury as a god and really mean A GOD. Get a grip. Go see a shrink.

Henke, its time to let this troll go. He is clearly living on planet Freddie. No matter what you say to him, he will hit you with the same shit "you know nothing about Queen" (yawn!!!) tired excuse for a come back. Despite the fact that I proved him to be a hypocrite he still cant - or wont - see that. As P-Staker says, he has proclaimed himself Pope. As for the Barcelona album, yes it is complex, but then Freddie did have a huge amount of help from his co-writer (of most of the songs) Mike Moran, lyricist Tim Rice (on one song) and some trained and well respected opera-singing diva called Montserrat Caballe. So it would be unfair to say that it was all Freddie's work. Freddie had an important part in its making. And finally, although it was unintentional, TM is correct in his naming of this thread. Brian and Roger are run(n)ing the legacy. Freddie is dead (unfortunately), John has retired so it is left up to the remaining two to run the legacy that they have been, and still are, a part of. Oh and Treasure Moment, please dont bother replying to this post as I shall just ignore you from now on.

Yes you're right. When it comes to accusing someone that almost have dedicated his life(that would be me) to Queen and Freddie Mercury of knowing nothing about them, I go fucking furious. But my guess is that TM gets a hard-on then. He's prob. laughing all his way though our replys. Pathetic really. I kinda feel sorry for him even though it makes me sick knowing we're both from Uppsala, Sweden.

P-Staker wrote: So, Treasure Moment, do you, as the Pope of Freddism, order that Brian and Roger be burned on Freddie's funeral pyre, or will their banishment serve?

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote: So, Treasure Moment, do you, as the Pope of Freddism, order that Brian and Roger be burned on Freddie's funeral pyre, or will their banishment serve?

haha, i have alot of respect for brian and roger, they are great respectful musicians who with the help of freddie made awesome songs.

P-Staker wrote: P. S. I went to a 2005 concert and I saw nothing embarassing that night. On the contrary, I saw a show that not many bands are capable of pulling off. For me, the Queen vibe was alive that night. And even Freddie was present, through masterful and loving performances of his songs. So, all other discussions aside, it's bullshit to say Q+PR are ruining the legacy. On the contrary, rock music is best honoured by *performing* it - and Q+PR perform it well. Those who love music understand this. Those who make music into a cult, I pity.

P-Staker wrote: P. S. I went to a 2005 concert and I saw nothing embarassing that night. On the contrary, I saw a show that not many bands are capable of pulling off. For me, the Queen vibe was alive that night. And even Freddie was present, through masterful and loving performances of his songs. So, all other discussions aside, it's bullshit to say Q+PR are ruining the legacy. On the contrary, rock music is best honoured by *performing* it - and Q+PR perform it well. Those who love music understand this. Those who make music into a cult, I pity.

kingogre wrote: I dont know what you know about Queen but you sure as hell dont know about music. If you want to hear complex go listen to Miles Davies, Jelly Roll Morton, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane or why not Steve Vai or Joe Satriani. Thats complex for you.. Queen is Twinkle twinkle little star in comparison. Or why not Led Zeppellin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple or David Bowie if you want rock music? Freddie for sure has done his share of generic pop/disco/rock so dont get yourself worked to much. Barcelona is a nice album but as an opera album, which it was meant to be, its way below average. Listen to Another world if you think that Freddie was the only one with "complex" musicianship in the band. If you know so much about Queen you should know that Freddies major influences was Bowie, Liberace, Kinks, The Who, so-called fantastic art of the 1800s. Claiming him to be some sort of guru for bringing classical music in to rock is ridiculous. Others and done that a lot earlier and gone even further. Queen was about having fun and not taking things to seriously first and foremost. If you miss the I actually pity you for misssing out on something amazing.

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: I dont know what you know about Queen but you sure as hell dont know about music. If you want to hear complex go listen to Miles Davies, Jelly Roll Morton, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane or why not Steve Vai or Joe Satriani. Thats complex for you.. Queen is Twinkle twinkle little star in comparison. Or why not Led Zeppellin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple or David Bowie if you want rock music? Freddie for sure has done his share of generic pop/disco/rock so dont get yourself worked to much. Barcelona is a nice album but as an opera album, which it was meant to be, its way below average. Listen to Another world if you think that Freddie was the only one with "complex" musicianship in the band. If you know so much about Queen you should know that Freddies major influences was Bowie, Liberace, Kinks, The Who, so-called fantastic art of the 1800s. Claiming him to be some sort of guru for bringing classical music in to rock is ridiculous. Others and done that a lot earlier and gone even further. Queen was about having fun and not taking things to seriously first and foremost. If you miss the I actually pity you for misssing out on something amazing.

wow! what a load of bullshit! freddie was classical influenced but of course you cant notice that because you know shit about music. black sabbath? yeah paranoid is very complex, specially how he sings along with the melody like an amateur. Its no use talking to someone who is braindead.

henke1980 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: I dont know what you know about Queen but you sure as hell dont know about music. If you want to hear complex go listen to Miles Davies, Jelly Roll Morton, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane or why not Steve Vai or Joe Satriani. Thats complex for you.. Queen is Twinkle twinkle little star in comparison. Or why not Led Zeppellin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple or David Bowie if you want rock music? Freddie for sure has done his share of generic pop/disco/rock so dont get yourself worked to much. Barcelona is a nice album but as an opera album, which it was meant to be, its way below average. Listen to Another world if you think that Freddie was the only one with "complex" musicianship in the band. If you know so much about Queen you should know that Freddies major influences was Bowie, Liberace, Kinks, The Who, so-called fantastic art of the 1800s. Claiming him to be some sort of guru for bringing classical music in to rock is ridiculous. Others and done that a lot earlier and gone even further. Queen was about having fun and not taking things to seriously first and foremost. If you miss the I actually pity you for misssing out on something amazing.

wow! what a load of bullshit! freddie was classical influenced but of course you cant notice that because you know shit about music. black sabbath? yeah paranoid is very complex, specially how he sings along with the melody like an amateur. Its no use talking to someone who is braindead.

Ok, all eyes on Treasure Moment. He just called one of the most successful singers of modern time Ozzy Osbourne an amateur. This is the same guy who made a rap kinda shit song together with onehitwonder of the ninetees, old junkie homeless guy Nordman. And did a massive gig with the very same at a subwaystation infront of 25 pepole. Now THAT'S A CAREER TO BE IMPRESSED ABOUT! I am litterally Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Of. This guy needs a kick in the bollocks.

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: I dont know what you know about Queen but you sure as hell dont know about music. If you want to hear complex go listen to Miles Davies, Jelly Roll Morton, Dave Brubeck, John Coltrane or why not Steve Vai or Joe Satriani. Thats complex for you.. Queen is Twinkle twinkle little star in comparison. Or why not Led Zeppellin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple or David Bowie if you want rock music? Freddie for sure has done his share of generic pop/disco/rock so dont get yourself worked to much. Barcelona is a nice album but as an opera album, which it was meant to be, its way below average. Listen to Another world if you think that Freddie was the only one with "complex" musicianship in the band. If you know so much about Queen you should know that Freddies major influences was Bowie, Liberace, Kinks, The Who, so-called fantastic art of the 1800s. Claiming him to be some sort of guru for bringing classical music in to rock is ridiculous. Others and done that a lot earlier and gone even further. Queen was about having fun and not taking things to seriously first and foremost. If you miss the I actually pity you for misssing out on something amazing.

wow! what a load of bullshit! freddie was classical influenced but of course you cant notice that because you know shit about music. black sabbath? yeah paranoid is very complex, specially how he sings along with the melody like an amateur. Its no use talking to someone who is braindead.

Ok, all eyes on Treasure Moment. He just called one of the most successful singers of modern time Ozzy Osbourne an amateur. This is the same guy who made a rap kinda shit song together with onehitwonder of the ninetees, old junkie homeless guy Nordman. And did a massive gig with the very same at a subwaystation infront of 25 pepole. Now THAT'S A CAREER TO BE IMPRESSED ABOUT! I am litterally Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Of. This guy needs a kick in the bollocks.

first of all nordman is one of swedens biggest artists, he has been on the album charts for fucking 23 weeks in a row and came in the finals in melodifestivalen and you are fully aware of that you fucking punk :) yes ozzy is an amateur crappy singer. I told you before that i didnt want the rapper to be in the song but we had no choice since he did things to make this collaboration work in the first place and yeah that place we played wasnt big but the one next week will be and ill show you when its done you silly idiot.

henke1980 wrote: Can I please get some backstage passes?

Wiley wrote:

henke1980 wrote: Can I please get some backstage passes?

I don't think you need a backstage pass for a public park, subway or bus station. You might need it for Treasure Moment's garage, though. That's as far as this wanker's going and that's a fact. I once tried to reason with him. His attitude is laughable and that's why he once was Queenzone's favorite punchbag but I think he is now past his prime. New trolls are coming and he's struggling to keep up. Remember that the music is the most important thing, for example if freddie would sing in front of 1 person or 100 million it wouldnt change the FACT that he is the best singer of all time.

Treasure Moment wrote: P. S. yeah i agree, playing cover songs half of the real tempo with a singer who sings off time is awesome!

kingogre wrote: Claiming Ozzy to be an amateur really shows that he knows music. Better than everyone else in the world apparently since their is no one else who agrees with him. I guess the amateur thing refers to Robert Plant, Ian Gillan and Steve Marriott as well... So there we have it again. Concerto for group and orchestra by Deep Purple, and Overture by the Who, there we have classical music in rock. Incidentially Tommy was one of Freddies favourite albums. Jelly roll morton put classical music into jazz in the 1920s, to a much bigger extent and in a thousand more complex and intricate ways the Queen ever did.

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

True, the only thing those guys ever did was re-invent music as we know it and influence a few bands, like, I dunno, Queen. Nothing interesting there.

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

True, the only thing those guys ever did was re-invent music as we know it and influence a few bands, like, I dunno, Queen. Nothing interesting there.

they cant in any way compare with Queen, its like comparing a beginner on piano with chopin or something.

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

True, the only thing those guys ever did was re-invent music as we know it and influence a few bands, like, I dunno, Queen. Nothing interesting there.

they cant in any way compare with Queen, its like comparing a beginner on piano with chopin or something.

Nope.

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

True, the only thing those guys ever did was re-invent music as we know it and influence a few bands, like, I dunno, Queen. Nothing interesting there.

they cant in any way compare with Queen, its like comparing a beginner on piano with chopin or something.

Nope.

My god, I'm speachless. then again yes, ive heard their songwriting.

henke1980 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

P-Staker wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple and it was extremely generic and boring stuff.

True, the only thing those guys ever did was re-invent music as we know it and influence a few bands, like, I dunno, Queen. Nothing interesting there.

they cant in any way compare with Queen, its like comparing a beginner on piano with chopin or something.

Nope.

My god, I'm speachless. then again yes, ive heard their songwriting.

henke1980 wrote: Ok, here we go. On the next few lines I will try to explain to you TM, facts and basic knowledge about a few artists and groups that if you're into Queen, you might stumble upon. Such groups as Led Zeppelin for example. I will then compare their efforts in songwriting, composition etc. next to the members of Queen. The original members of Queen if you like. Ok, so since Led Zep earlier has been brought up lets start with: Robert Plant: Not as wideranged as Freddie but altogether a brilliant vocalist. Nor was he as important as Freddie when it came to arrangements and songwriting. One of my favourite Plant compositions is All my love. His best vocal preformances imo is "Since i've been loving you" and "Thank you". Jimmy Page: Technically faster than Brian. But faster is not always better(Malmsteen is a exeption). Has without a doubt inspired more guitarists than Brian. One of the top five guitarists of all time on my list. Oh, and btw, Brian is amonst these five aswell. John Bonham: Reinvented drumming. One of the first drummers to use two bassdrums. Put his stamp on almst every LZ song with his hardhitting style and is in my opinion slightly "better" than Roger. But he has NOTHING on Rog when it comes to backing vocals. John Paul Jones: I do not really know much about this guy(bassplayers!) So I guess I have to pass on this one, giving Deaky this round. All in all, Led Zeppelin is a great rock'n roll band with influences from blues, folk and even reggae. LZ is considerd to be one of the first "heavymetal" bands alongside with Sabbath. They were greatly influencal on Queens early work. Freddie has refered "Innuendo" to be Queens "Kashmir". You would be a fool to say that these guys are not talanted. More to come.

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: Ok, here we go. On the next few lines I will try to explain to you TM, facts and basic knowledge about a few artists and groups that if you're into Queen, you might stumble upon. Such groups as Led Zeppelin for example. I will then compare their efforts in songwriting, composition etc. next to the members of Queen. The original members of Queen if you like. Ok, so since Led Zep earlier has been brought up lets start with: Robert Plant: Not as wideranged as Freddie but altogether a brilliant vocalist. Nor was he as important as Freddie when it came to arrangements and songwriting. One of my favourite Plant compositions is All my love. His best vocal preformances imo is "Since i've been loving you" and "Thank you". Jimmy Page: Technically faster than Brian. But faster is not always better(Malmsteen is a exeption). Has without a doubt inspired more guitarists than Brian. One of the top five guitarists of all time on my list. Oh, and btw, Brian is amonst these five aswell. John Bonham: Reinvented drumming. One of the first drummers to use two bassdrums. Put his stamp on almst every LZ song with his hardhitting style and is in my opinion slightly "better" than Roger. But he has NOTHING on Rog when it comes to backing vocals. John Paul Jones: I do not really know much about this guy(bassplayers!) So I guess I have to pass on this one, giving Deaky this round. All in all, Led Zeppelin is a great rock'n roll band with influences from blues, folk and even reggae. LZ is considerd to be one of the first "heavymetal" bands alongside with Sabbath. They were greatly influencal on Queens early work. Freddie has refered "Innuendo" to be Queens "Kashmir". You would be a fool to say that these guys are not talanted. More to come.

I didnt say they are talentless, just that they cant compare with Queen, no band can.

henke1980 wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

henke1980 wrote: Ok, here we go. On the next few lines I will try to explain to you TM, facts and basic knowledge about a few artists and groups that if you're into Queen, you might stumble upon. Such groups as Led Zeppelin for example. I will then compare their efforts in songwriting, composition etc. next to the members of Queen. The original members of Queen if you like. Ok, so since Led Zep earlier has been brought up lets start with: Robert Plant: Not as wideranged as Freddie but altogether a brilliant vocalist. Nor was he as important as Freddie when it came to arrangements and songwriting. One of my favourite Plant compositions is All my love. His best vocal preformances imo is "Since i've been loving you" and "Thank you". Jimmy Page: Technically faster than Brian. But faster is not always better(Malmsteen is a exeption). Has without a doubt inspired more guitarists than Brian. One of the top five guitarists of all time on my list. Oh, and btw, Brian is amonst these five aswell. John Bonham: Reinvented drumming. One of the first drummers to use two bassdrums. Put his stamp on almst every LZ song with his hardhitting style and is in my opinion slightly "better" than Roger. But he has NOTHING on Rog when it comes to backing vocals. John Paul Jones: I do not really know much about this guy(bassplayers!) So I guess I have to pass on this one, giving Deaky this round. All in all, Led Zeppelin is a great rock'n roll band with influences from blues, folk and even reggae. LZ is considerd to be one of the first "heavymetal" bands alongside with Sabbath. They were greatly influencal on Queens early work. Freddie has refered "Innuendo" to be Queens "Kashmir". You would be a fool to say that these guys are not talanted. More to come.

I didnt say they are talentless, just that they cant compare with Queen, no band can.

BUT YOU FUCKING CALLED OZZY AN AMATEUR. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? NO, I MEAN, THE GUY IS TALANTED BUT HE'S AN AMATEUR. DO YOU SPOT YOUR OWN ERRORS BUDDY? DIPSHIT. OK, NOW MY CAPS BUTTON IS ALL FUCKED UP, GREAT. I WAS GOING TO CONTINIUE THIS WITH THE WHO. BUT SINCE THIS _________(FILL IN YOUR OWN BAD LANGUAGE) DOESN'T REALLY KNOW WHO HE IS, WHERE HE IS, WHAT HE SAYS OR WHAT HE MEANS AND STATING FICTION AS FACT. I DON'T SEE A RESON.

henke1980 wrote: My. God. I think it's safe to say, Treasure Moment. If you had any, just any, respect or cred left when you started this thread. It's GONE NOW baby. I have better things to do but to argue(if can call it that)with you. Offspring to a braindead savant. Now my crusade of mocking TM everywhere he goes begins. YOU honestly know NOTHING about music or pretty much anything I'm sure.

henke1980 wrote: No, HOLLY he doesn't. He sucks. He can't sing, he can't write. I mean, for gods sake look at him. The guy can't even walk or talk. Such shitty songs as Crazy train, No more tears and Bark at the moon is NOTHING compared to "Tills jag faller", "Warrior" and every single Freddie Mercury(GOD!) song. (Obs. Treasure Moment, this is me being you)

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple...

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple...

Just as I thought! You dont know anything about music. If you were the kind of expert you claim to be, you would be well aware of them since they are required listening in rock music. Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Rolling Stones and Black Sabbath. That is pretty much the entire genre of classic rock summed up. The bands that have come out of these number well into the thousands and pretty much all rock genres has its basis in these. When they started no one sounded like them and since everybody does. Today, in many cases more than 40 years into their careers. they are still as big as ever and most of them continue to perform sold-out tours and record great records. Musically they are all supergroups with nothing but extraordinarily talented members. You can have your own opinion about whether you like them your not based on your own personal opinion but you can not simply dismiss them as average or talentless after hearing a song or two.

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote: i have only heard a little from led zeppelin and deep purple...

Just as I thought! You dont know anything about music. If you were the kind of expert you claim to be, you would be well aware of them since they are required listening in rock music. Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Rolling Stones and Black Sabbath. That is pretty much the entire genre of classic rock summed up. The bands that have come out of these number well into the thousands and pretty much all rock genres has its basis in these. When they started no one sounded like them and since everybody does. Today, in many cases more than 40 years into their careers. they are still as big as ever and most of them continue to perform sold-out tours and record great records. Musically they are all supergroups with nothing but extraordinarily talented members. You can have your own opinion about whether you like them your not based on your own personal opinion but you can not simply dismiss them as average or talentless after hearing a song or two.

I checked out their most famous songs and wasnt the least impressed. Its was simple average stuff at best. Queen however is a totally another thing on a league of its own far above these average bands both in musicianchip and vocals.

P-Staker wrote: Oh, here's a nice little video for you. link See the fun, respect and comaradie this guys share? That's one of the best thing in rock. If it's lost on you, rock's lost on you.

Holly2003 wrote:

P-Staker wrote: Oh, here's a nice little video for you. link See the fun, respect and comaradie this guys share? That's one of the best thing in rock. If it's lost on you, rock's lost on you.

Smoooooke on the water dern dern dern, dern dern da nern dern dern dern, da nuh Rocktabulous.

Treasure Moment wrote:

Jake? wrote: Freddie Mercury wasn't the whole of Queen. Sorry, ass licker, but you're lying. Like everyone has asked, what would YOU name them then? Yes, we know you think they should name it something else, but what would YOU name it?

without freddie what would they be? yes SMILE, what are they after his death? SMILE

inu-liger wrote: TM, I'm sorry, but you are not a serious musician in any way or form. Your lack of respect for music other than your own self-gratuitous shit clearly shows that. And also, having been playing drums in a band (Unbalanced) for nearly a year now, and interacted with the musicians in that band as well as others occasionally since then, I can say that I actually have a wholly different outlook on music now these days. I can't listen to music simply anymore without paying a HELL of a lot more attention to even minute details in sound and production behind nearly every song I listen to now, even songs I've listened to over and over for ten years(!), and things that I thought to be complicated before were actually rather simply performed, just written, produced and brilliantly mixed :-) And sometimes the opposite is true. It's just amazing what being a musician can do to you. I can't look at certain aspects of music the same as I did before, anymore. It even heightens my already huge dislike for crap music that's being overmilked on radio, what used to be 'MTV', etc etc, that are just merely mass-produced works devoid of soul and life. "Tills Jag Faller" leans dangerously close to that sort of 'formula' (repetitive keyboard 'hooks', over-processed vocals, overcompression, etc. etc.), in typical EuroPop style. Whereas that piano bit of TM's that I commented on, which reminds me of 80's/90's-era anime BGM (background music), I actually preferred over TJF because it had a more analogous feel to it (despite being a digital keyboard), and had more room to breathe.

Treasure Moment wrote:

inu-liger wrote: TM, I'm sorry, but you are not a serious musician in any way or form. Your lack of respect for music other than your own self-gratuitous shit clearly shows that. And also, having been playing drums in a band (Unbalanced) for nearly a year now, and interacted with the musicians in that band as well as others occasionally since then, I can say that I actually have a wholly different outlook on music now these days. I can't listen to music simply anymore without paying a HELL of a lot more attention to even minute details in sound and production behind nearly every song I listen to now, even songs I've listened to over and over for ten years(!), and things that I thought to be complicated before were actually rather simply performed, just written, produced and brilliantly mixed :-) And sometimes the opposite is true. It's just amazing what being a musician can do to you. I can't look at certain aspects of music the same as I did before, anymore. It even heightens my already huge dislike for crap music that's being overmilked on radio, what used to be 'MTV', etc etc, that are just merely mass-produced works devoid of soul and life. "Tills Jag Faller" leans dangerously close to that sort of 'formula' (repetitive keyboard 'hooks', over-processed vocals, overcompression, etc. etc.), in typical EuroPop style. Whereas that piano bit of TM's that I commented on, which reminds me of 80's/90's-era anime BGM (background music), I actually preferred over TJF because it had a more analogous feel to it (despite being a digital keyboard), and had more room to breathe.

well i agree with you about the production, i too like analoug alot more but we didnt have the choice to record that song that way, that song was a collaboration anyways and was written to fit the guy who sings, we didnt even want to work with that guy in the first place but he made the recording possible. you are right, the way records sound these days suck, analoug sounds alot better and warmer.

inu-liger wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

inu-liger wrote: TM, I'm sorry, but you are not a serious musician in any way or form. Your lack of respect for music other than your own self-gratuitous shit clearly shows that. And also, having been playing drums in a band (Unbalanced) for nearly a year now, and interacted with the musicians in that band as well as others occasionally since then, I can say that I actually have a wholly different outlook on music now these days. I can't listen to music simply anymore without paying a HELL of a lot more attention to even minute details in sound and production behind nearly every song I listen to now, even songs I've listened to over and over for ten years(!), and things that I thought to be complicated before were actually rather simply performed, just written, produced and brilliantly mixed :-) And sometimes the opposite is true. It's just amazing what being a musician can do to you. I can't look at certain aspects of music the same as I did before, anymore. It even heightens my already huge dislike for crap music that's being overmilked on radio, what used to be 'MTV', etc etc, that are just merely mass-produced works devoid of soul and life. "Tills Jag Faller" leans dangerously close to that sort of 'formula' (repetitive keyboard 'hooks', over-processed vocals, overcompression, etc. etc.), in typical EuroPop style. Whereas that piano bit of TM's that I commented on, which reminds me of 80's/90's-era anime BGM (background music), I actually preferred over TJF because it had a more analogous feel to it (despite being a digital keyboard), and had more room to breathe.

well i agree with you about the production, i too like analoug alot more but we didnt have the choice to record that song that way, that song was a collaboration anyways and was written to fit the guy who sings, we didnt even want to work with that guy in the first place but he made the recording possible. you are right, the way records sound these days suck, analoug sounds alot better and warmer.

FOR ONCE, a sensible reply! :-) Yeah, believe me, me and Josh (our guitarist) would absolutely love the chance to buy a 24-track tape machine along with a few tape reels, so that we could record everything on tape, and transfer it to a high-definition digital environment afterwards to do further mixing and editing. But digital recording has replaced analog recording at such a rapid pace, it's really difficult acquiring old-school equipment like that. It's so much easier finding the 1/4" tapes and recorders than it is 1/2" or 2" tapes necessary for 4-, 8-, 16- or 24-track recording :-( So we have to make do with what we have. Have you checked out our main website's new audio player? It has that song "That Girl ~Sexy Ghost~" that I've been floating around for a while, mainly through our MySpace link, but MySpace's flash audio player SUCKS for quality (it's like 64kbps quality, I swear!). I also put up some selections from a couple of our live shows as well (I wanted to add more from another show, but I'd rather make a new mix from the multitracks I have for that show rather than use my 'audience' source Edirol recording) That song was recorded in 96/24 (the live tracks were recorded in 48/24)

Wiley wrote: I love Queen, I am a fan, I love their music and I am interested in all their projects, etc. However, I like other bands and songs. It is not really a "best band competition", except for very young fans just discovering Queen or something. When I was 10 I used to be like that "Oh, this band X is good but Queen are better, so there is no point in listening to that other band". I don't think like that anymore. Does Treasure Moment really think that Queen's... - Life is Real is better than Lennon's Imagine? - Rain must fall is better than Bob Marley's Redemption song? - Sweet lady is better than Black Sabbath's Paranoid? - In only seven days is better than The Beatles' A day in the life or Yesterday? - If you cant' beat them is better than Clapton's Layla? - Man on the prowl is better than Elvis' Hound dog or Heartbreak hotel? - Delilah is better than The Who's My Generation? - Fun it is better than Michael Jackson's Beat it or Thriller? - Seven seas of rhye instrumental is better than Billy Joel's Piano Man and Elton's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road? - anything on Flash Gordon album is better than Bowie's Life on Mars, Space Oddity or Starman? I am actually a bit interested in knowing if obsessed Queen fans (not TM, as I know he likes Death Metal crap) have heard these other artists' songs or if they still think that Queen's lesser songs/fillers were better than other artists' best. That would be nonsense. Still, I dont' know why we bother wanting to reason with this guy, give him examples, try to show him "the light" (whatever light, ANY light!) and he just replies with a single line post "I listened to X and it is nothing special". :S

kingogre wrote: Seriously, what I heard I thought TM sounded OK. Certainly a lot more interesting than most of those myspace-bands. Dont like digital either, its allright but not the same richness in sound as analogue. I think the same goes for vinyl vs. cd aswell. And definitely vinyl vs. mp3.

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: Seriously, what I heard I thought TM sounded OK. Certainly a lot more interesting than most of those myspace-bands. Dont like digital either, its allright but not the same richness in sound as analogue. I think the same goes for vinyl vs. cd aswell. And definitely vinyl vs. mp3.

Tackar!

kingogre wrote:

Treasure Moment wrote:

kingogre wrote: Seriously, what I heard I thought TM sounded OK. Certainly a lot more interesting than most of those myspace-bands. Dont like digital either, its allright but not the same richness in sound as analogue. I think the same goes for vinyl vs. cd aswell. And definitely vinyl vs. mp3.

Tackar!

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