ermin 23.08.2008 13:09 |
While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s. I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members. When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts. What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts? |
Treasure Moment 23.08.2008 13:56 |
what are you talking about? alot of the stuff they did in the 80s is highly creative and awesome! |
john bodega 23.08.2008 13:59 |
There was no loss of creativity. They just started creating crap. |
Treasure Moment 23.08.2008 14:00 |
Zebonka12 wrote: There was no loss of creativity. They just started creating crap.Come on, crap? they did amazing songs in the 80s, 80s is the best period for music ever. |
Winter Land Man 23.08.2008 14:17 |
I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days |
Josh Henson 23.08.2008 14:54 |
Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven DaysSeriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah |
Winter Land Man 23.08.2008 16:46 |
Hadrian wrote:I don't hate filler songs.Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven DaysSeriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know. Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to. Machines, filler? Yep. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to. Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep! Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall. Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song. My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was. Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song. Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best! Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned. Misfire - Tacky. She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate. Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing. Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler. Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody. Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler! Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block. All Dead All Dead - Boring. If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that? In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though. |
mooghead 23.08.2008 17:38 |
In Only Seven Days is the worst of all Queen songs. GCSE lyrics, shite tune. Sums up the whole Jazz album which strangely enough produced Freddies best ever composition. |
kagezan1313 23.08.2008 17:40 |
I think the reason is that times changed and so did the type of music that was popular. Freddie, immensely talented in writing grand songs that fared well in the glam-rock period, had to adjust to the more straight-forward 80's sound, along with the other three. So it isn't that the material suffered, so much as it's that our boys were wise enough to know that they could either change, or keep writing the same material and disappear from the charts completely. That, and with that much charlie to snort, who has time for quality song writing, my dear? |
Winter Land Man 23.08.2008 17:42 |
mooghead wrote: In Only Seven Days is the worst of all Queen songs. GCSE lyrics, shite tune. Sums up the whole Jazz album which strangely enough produced Freddies best ever composition.What does GCSE mean? What do you think Freddie's best ever composition is? |
mooghead 23.08.2008 17:46 |
Freddie's best song is Don't Stop Me Now. By GCSE lyrics (dont know where you are from but in England GCSE means General Certificate Of Secondary Education). I remember writing a story for school when I was 13 where every chapter was the next day of the week. Its schoolkid stuff. The perfect example of album filler. |
Miss Valentine 23.08.2008 19:19 |
kagezan1313 wrote: I think the reason is that times changed and so did the type of music that was popular. Freddie, immensely talented in writing grand songs that fared well in the glam-rock period, had to adjust to the more straight-forward 80's sound, along with the other three. So it isn't that the material suffered, so much as it's that our boys were wise enough to know that they could either change, or keep writing the same material and disappear from the charts completely. That, and with that much charlie to snort, who has time for quality song writing, my dear?Hear, hear! |
Josh Henson 23.08.2008 21:03 |
Jake? wrote:I know what you were talking about when you mentioned SSOR... It's still a good song, regardless. Hey, basically, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. You can't assume that "it's a different genre than I'm used to" just because I don't like a particular song that you may like.Hadrian wrote:I don't hate filler songs. And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know. Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to. Machines, filler? Yep. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to. Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep! Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall. Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song. My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was. Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song. Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best! Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned. Misfire - Tacky. She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate. Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing. Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler. Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody. Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler! Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block. All Dead All Dead - Boring. If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that? In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven DaysSeriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah |
Winter Land Man 23.08.2008 21:24 |
What does an asshole smell like though? But I agree with you. It's all opinions. |
john bodega 24.08.2008 01:28 |
All Dead, All Dead.... filler?? Haha. It's only Brian's best bit of guitar orchestration, ever. It might be boring to many ears, but it's certainly not filler from a musical standpoint. |
freddiesfairy 24.08.2008 02:28 |
Jake? wrote: What does an asshole smell like though? But I agree with you. It's all opinions.Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. |
Wanted Dead Or Alive 24.08.2008 06:56 |
Brian's best songs are from 80's... Save Me, Hammer To Fall, Who Wants To Live Forever, I Want It All... John had AOBTD and I Want To Break Free...both great songs... Roger and Freddie were a bit less creative than in the 70's...yet Freddie had Princes Of The Universe, The Miracle, Was It All Worth It... |
john bodega 24.08.2008 07:47 |
freddiesfairy wrote: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.Wrong. Opinions are like assholes, most of them stink. |
kagezan1313 24.08.2008 08:10 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Wrong again.freddiesfairy wrote: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.Wrong. Opinions are like assholes, most of them stink. Opinions on QZ are like assholes, and Freddie's been in most of them. |
ermin 24.08.2008 08:42 |
I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature. Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners? Thanks! |
Cwazy little thing 24.08.2008 08:56 |
ermin wrote: I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature. Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners? Thanks!This is the internet - manners and respect were never here, and they aint coming anytime soon! Not that I think its a good thing, but you find me a forum full stop where there are only sensible answers and no rudeness, silliness and infighting! (Actually, of those, I genuinely think theres always room for silliness!) But I also dont think you'll ever find a more "informed" Queen forum than here - you just have to bear in mind that a lot of the people here have been having the same conversations (like this one) for years, so they tend to get bored and start going off topic, which is understandable. Look at some of the more interesting and original discussions, and you'll see some sensible debating....for a bit! But hey - its Queen, its not fucking politics! |
una999 24.08.2008 09:46 |
ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s. I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members. When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts. What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?They needed to live as well...can u imagine trying to write songs with kids running around the place. Quite simple, we fans assume they should be just MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC, but hey they are actually people with the same problems we all have. |
una999 24.08.2008 09:48 |
Hadrian wrote:Why not listen to Delilah...linkJake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven DaysSeriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah Tell me his vocals suck? It's a class song, with Queen Trade Marks, better than in the lap of the gods anyday |
August R. 24.08.2008 11:02 |
Jake? wrote: Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.Not quite. IWTBF was no 3 on UK charts and HTF no 13 while Body Language peaked at 25. |
Winter Land Man 24.08.2008 11:25 |
August R. wrote:Not in the USA. In fact, Body Language reached #11 and I Want To Break Free reached, I think, #45.Jake? wrote: Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.Not quite. IWTBF was no 3 on UK charts and HTF no 13 while Body Language peaked at 25. |
ermin 24.08.2008 13:01 |
Cwazy little thing wrote:It bothers me when it degenerates into name-calling and personal attacks. No opinion is considered bad; I solicited opinions in the first place. The problem is, the original question often gets sidetracked and people start engaging in petty debates.ermin wrote: I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature. Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners? Thanks!This is the internet - manners and respect were never here, and they aint coming anytime soon! Not that I think its a good thing, but you find me a forum full stop where there are only sensible answers and no rudeness, silliness and infighting! (Actually, of those, I genuinely think theres always room for silliness!) But I also dont think you'll ever find a more "informed" Queen forum than here - you just have to bear in mind that a lot of the people here have been having the same conversations (like this one) for years, so they tend to get bored and start going off topic, which is understandable. Look at some of the more interesting and original discussions, and you'll see some sensible debating....for a bit! But hey - its Queen, its not fucking politics! As for the assertion that these questions have been debated, well, I know that; I read posts every day, and have been doing so for years now. It doesn't bother me when people ask the same question (unless they are acting as provocateurs) since there could be new members with new insights to offer. I am saddened, however, by the high number of personal attacks and personal negative comments. That's all! |
ok.computer 24.08.2008 13:40 |
Funny you say that - we were just having a conversation over on another thread where someone was being rude to a newbie. Nice try in generating some discussion. You are to be applauded for your attempt. Alas, a lot of people don't recognise it, and prefer instead to say "ur a noob" for your opinion. In text speak. By the way, someone asked what GCSE meant? General Certificate of Secondary Education. It's what Thatcher replaced the O-level with when she decided that Britain should strive for mediocrity. It means that everyone gets lots of A-grades at the age of 16. |
P-Staker 25.08.2008 04:04 |
ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s.Well, if you say there's no denying, then there's no denying. How serious and mature of you. |
great king rat 38538 29.08.2008 00:02 |
Well, all n00b talk aside, I personally feel very passionately about Queen, their 70's albums in particular. There are no songs I don't enjoy listening to from this period. Some may not care for every song, but that does not make any of it filler. We're talking about what is arguably, and yes, I will argue it, the most creative rock band of all time. Can someone really say that these guys would just fill an album with packing peanuts in between powerful rock masterpieces that the band obviously put their all into? Now in regards to 80's albums, I am for the most part less impressed with the albums. Unless we're talking "Under pressure", don't even say "Hot Space" to me. "Cool Cat"? Are you kidding me? And there is one shining track on "The Miracle", Being "I Want It All". Anyway, "A Kind of Magic" "The Works" and "The Game" have some much better written songs, even if you're not a fan of production of the albums. I think the best example that Queen still had it in the 80's can be heard in "Live At Wembley" where Queen's classics are played their at that time more current hits. When played live, these songs simply rock. There's no filler here. These are well written songs that still show the creativity and talent of the band. Lastly, "Innuendo" was a great album to tie up Queen's royal rule. It's such a heavy progressive rock album in parts, and so passionate in other parts. It would be imprudent to say Queen ever lost creativity. |
john bodega 29.08.2008 00:47 |
ermin wrote: . Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners?Queenzone. There's one privso; your thread shouldn't begin with a stupid question. Unless you like stupid answers. |
great king rat 38538 29.08.2008 01:01 |
Thanks, Zebonka12. I attempted to get the conversation going again, and start right off with the insults. Why is everyone acting so immature? I came here to talk about Queen and you fools want to quote each other in posts and say how bloody daft everyone but they are. So sorry to interrupt, on with the Queen. |
john bodega 29.08.2008 01:44 |
Where's the insult? He asked a question and I answered it. Twice in one thread, actually. You should be thanking me! |
Matias Merçeauroix 29.08.2008 05:19 |
Jake? wrote:No.Hadrian wrote:I don't hate filler songs. And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know. Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to. Machines, filler? Yep. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to. Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep! Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall. Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song. My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was. Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song. Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best! Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned. Misfire - Tacky. She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate. Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing. Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler. Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody. Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler! Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block. All Dead All Dead - Boring. If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that? In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven DaysSeriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah Cheers, Hor |
Micrówave 29.08.2008 15:53 |
This is actually a rather easy question to answer. Remember, they were a highly successful band by now. Able to 'churn out a hit' at will. And yes, 3 of the 4 members were pursuing a solo career. So do you bring what you think is your best song to the Queen table or save it for your solo album? Most Queen songs started off as one person's vision and the others put their taste to it. For example, had Freddie kept Bohemian Rhapsody EXACTLY how he'd written it and not allowed the other 3 creative input it would have never been a hit. So yes, I believe that Invisible Man was sub-par... mainly because Roger was keeping his better stuff for himself. Same as Brian. Same as Freddie. But imagine Driven By You, Foreign Sand, or Business if they had the Queen treatment? |
Mercury 90 29.08.2008 18:00 |
Hadrian wrote: I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me DelilahI have to say the first three songs belong to my favorite queen tunes! |
djcamper 29.08.2008 18:54 |
I wonder why Fred took I Can't Live With You & Headlong and discarded Driven By You and Last Horison. |
inu-liger 29.08.2008 23:00 |
djcamper wrote: I wonder why Fred took I Can't Live With You & Headlong and discarded Driven By You and Last Horison.Last Horizon was an instrumental, so there would not have been much Freddie could have added to it. It was perfect as-is, I think. |
joe90 30.08.2008 03:07 |
Why weren't the later albums as good? They got old, lost their edge, lost that hunger and rawness that defined their early stuff. Although throughout their 80s catalog their was the odd moment of inspiration. Natural progression really. Happens to most artists. Luckily even their not so good stuff was better than most of the other crap out there. |
maxpower 30.08.2008 05:23 |
in hindsight for me & it doesn't bother me Queen were a fantastic singles band but pretty much made patchy albums, which explains if you look there is plenty of "work" songs which do help to fill albums hell the beatles had plenty of them & that's lennon & mccartneys own admission |
AmeriQueen 04.09.2008 21:33 |
1.) Mack's production style builds up from the ground while the original Baker style built all the way up and tore it down to where it needs. One will reach enough, the other will not leave too much. Both are interesting and similar despite some major shifts, but the wild and crazy parts they didn't want to cut enough of were not gotten to the newer way because they built up instead of down. Or so I gather from the Queen media I've heard over time. 2.) I think Hot Space was a heavy influence of USA supremacy leading them to seek that lower brand of music made here in the USA. And they also were getting pretty tired i'd imagine after 10 years of constant touring. 3.) I think The Works was a bitter Queen working more by themselves and containing a sort of rebelliousness from May in how he over the top does his heavy Tear It Up and Hammer To Fall additions. Also by this time Taylor had been deep into his solo creations, May had been doing things like Starfleet, and all of them were finally relaxing to their rich lives instead of pushing all the time. 4.) A Kind of Magic I think was mostly a combination of the Iron Eagle/Highlander tracks that needed a few extra throw ins to make another album. 5.) The Miracle spawned from a band who hadn't toured much lately, Taylor had been constantly going solo or with The Cross outside of Queen and was tired, and Freddie had just put so much into his Barcelona album. That is why Brian seems to dominate this album all over the place, or so it seems to me. 6.) The last albums from Hot Space to Made In Heaven seemed to contain a greater willingness and acceptance with the idea of alternating earlier songs into different freshly new creations but had them clearly within a more defined sound. 7.) I think the shift to writing as a team instead of seperately may have brought them together more, but I think it had to have made the tracks less important personally and given elements of one's style into a song that wouldn't have had it before. 8.) The 80's electronic/digital recording instruments, keyboards and what not, definitely were nothing like the limitless ability they have today. 9.) One theory I have is that bands reluctantly keep their style and subconsciously they sneak into alternate ways of making music, better or not, simply because they can't stand their songs after 200 plus performances of them. 10.) Lastly, I still think they dropped from a 100 to maybe a 98.9ish in creativity, and I think the Miracle is the most underappreciated of all their albums. |
im_on_the_wembley_dvd 07.09.2008 05:25 |
IMO after listening to Queen music for over 30 years and growing up along the way we all change in our music tastes and this is what happened with the 4 members of Queen, their tastes changed - if they had still written and recorded songs like Liar, KQ,YMBF, etc etc in the 80's they would not have got new followers or been in the charts. Even filler tracks can be enjoyed when in the context of the time written. Hot Space was for me in 1982 enjoyable being 15 YO staying power and back chat 12" was played to death but that was 26 years ago we all change as does music. For me Queen have always been my favourite band one i always go back to like mother just enjoy what you like. |
boca 09.09.2008 10:39 |
ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s. I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members. When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts. What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?What are you talking about? what loss of creativity? i don't agree... |
www.bigotonline.com.ar 10.09.2008 03:27 |
Basically Queen's 70's had a lot of armonic creativity (hope that's well said in English), in the 80's however, they've created the most amazing melodies I have heard. I Want To Break Free, A Kind Of Magic, One Vision, I Want It All, The Show... all are great examples of that. That doesn't mean the 70's had bad melodies, but that was not the main focus of the band, till maybe... A Day At The Races. Still, the early albums are by far my favourites. |