QueenZone discussion #1124563

Zebonka12 wrote: There was no loss of creativity. They just started creating crap.

Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days

Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah

mooghead wrote: In Only Seven Days is the worst of all Queen songs. GCSE lyrics, shite tune. Sums up the whole Jazz album which strangely enough produced Freddies best ever composition.

kagezan1313 wrote: I think the reason is that times changed and so did the type of music that was popular. Freddie, immensely talented in writing grand songs that fared well in the glam-rock period, had to adjust to the more straight-forward 80's sound, along with the other three. So it isn't that the material suffered, so much as it's that our boys were wise enough to know that they could either change, or keep writing the same material and disappear from the charts completely. That, and with that much charlie to snort, who has time for quality song writing, my dear?

Jake? wrote:

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days

Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah

I don't hate filler songs. And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know. Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to. Machines, filler? Yep. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to. Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep! Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall. Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song. My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was. Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song. Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best! Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned. Misfire - Tacky. She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate. Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing. Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler. Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody. Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler! Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block. All Dead All Dead - Boring. If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that? In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.

Jake? wrote: What does an asshole smell like though? But I agree with you. It's all opinions.

freddiesfairy wrote: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

Zebonka12 wrote:

freddiesfairy wrote: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

Wrong. Opinions are like assholes, most of them stink.

ermin wrote: I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature. Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners? Thanks!

ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s. I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members. When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts. What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days

Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah

Jake? wrote: Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.

August R. wrote:

Jake? wrote: Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall.

Not quite. IWTBF was no 3 on UK charts and HTF no 13 while Body Language peaked at 25.

Cwazy little thing wrote:

ermin wrote: I posted the original question in the hope of generating some serious and mature conversation. Apart from a very few, most of the comments are childish and immature. Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners? Thanks!

This is the internet - manners and respect were never here, and they aint coming anytime soon! Not that I think its a good thing, but you find me a forum full stop where there are only sensible answers and no rudeness, silliness and infighting! (Actually, of those, I genuinely think theres always room for silliness!) But I also dont think you'll ever find a more "informed" Queen forum than here - you just have to bear in mind that a lot of the people here have been having the same conversations (like this one) for years, so they tend to get bored and start going off topic, which is understandable. Look at some of the more interesting and original discussions, and you'll see some sensible debating....for a bit! But hey - its Queen, its not fucking politics!

ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s.

ermin wrote: . Second question: does anyone know a Queen forum where people discuss and debate issues in informed and responsible manners?

Jake? wrote:

Hadrian wrote:

Jake? wrote: I thought the 70s Queen had a lot of filler. Of course some people might disagree. Seven Seas Of Rhye... Some Day One Day Misfire She Makes Me Good Company Seaside Rendezvous Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon Drowse Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You All Dead All Dead If You Can't Beat Them In Only Seven Days

Seriously?! Good Company, Seaside Rendezvous and Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon all may be slightly corny by today's standards, but they are good musically. And I think SSOR and Sleeping On The Sidewalk are great songs. I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah

I don't hate filler songs. And I didn't list 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' ... I listed 'Seven Seas Of Rhye...' which is an uncompleted instrumental of 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' as you should know. Cool Cat, filler? Nah, it's just a different genre than what you're used to. Machines, filler? Yep. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure, filler? Different genre you're used to. Don't Lose Your Head, filler? Yep! Body Language, filler? Seems the public thought it was better than things like I Want To Break Free and Hammer To Fall. Rain Must Fall, filler? Just not your kind of song. My Baby Does Me, filler? Freddie sort of admitted that it was. Delilah, filler? One of the best songs on Innuendo in my opinion. I love the fact it was about Freddie's cat. I think that's genious. That song put Freddie right next to Brian Wilson. Brian Wilson won a grammy for writing a song that was an instrumental. Give Freddie total respect for being up their with Brian Wilson. You may not like the lyrics of Delilah, maybe not even the music, but it's a catchy song. Seven Seas Of Rhye... - Small tiny instrumental. I like the completed version best! Some Day One Day - Very boring. Brian's vocals on that remind me of him trying to imitate someone who is stoned. Misfire - Tacky. She Makes Me - Very boring. I hate this song. It's the only Queen song I truly hate. Good Company - Bad on my ears. When Brian sings this one, it reminds me of him pucking his lips while singing. Seaside Rendezvous - Good song. But it's filler. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon - Good song. But it's filler. Drowse - Boring. Horrible lyrics. I hardly remember any of this song except the melody. Sleeping On The Sidewalk - It's okay. But it's filler! Who Needs You - Poor lyrics. Sounds like John had writer's block. All Dead All Dead - Boring. If You Can't Beat Them - "If you don't beat them join them, you better do it cause it makes you feel good!"... what else is there to say about that? In Only Seven Days - Filler. Good song though.

Hadrian wrote: I'll put up any of Queen's 'crappier' 70's songs against 80's shit like: Cool Cat Machines Body Language Pain is So Close to Pleasure Don't Lose Your Head Rain Must Fall My Baby Does Me Delilah

djcamper wrote: I wonder why Fred took I Can't Live With You & Headlong and discarded Driven By You and Last Horison.

ermin wrote: While the Works, AKOM, and the Miracle produced their fair share of hits, there is no denying that much of what Queen recorded were rather average fillers, at least if measured by the standards Queen established in the 1970s. I believe that one of the main reasons is that the band members got estranged from one another and, therefore, lacked more creative input from other members. It is true that, even earlier, they were largely individually responsible for songs. Yet, since they were spending more time together, they could provide more input and creativity to other members. When it became clear that Freddie was about to die, they re-bonded together and the result was Innuendo, which was reminiscent of earlier efforts. What do you think? Many people have already said this loss was due to synthesizers etc., but keyboards are heavily present on Innuendo as well. I think it was about their personal relationship more than anything else. Your thoughts?