QueenZone discussion #1123211

ThomasQuinn wrote: Actually, QP wants to release it, but they haven't got any halfway decent audio to go with their video (they only have a stereo downmix on reel-to-reel, I was told, and are looking for the multitrack, which was lost or stolen).

Zebonka12 wrote: Just release something, QP....... Anything. I've got money and I'm willing to give it to you. You do WANT my money, right??

ThomasQuinn wrote: Actually, QP wants to release it, but they haven't got any halfway decent audio to go with their video (they only have a stereo downmix on reel-to-reel)

Negative Creep wrote:

ThomasQuinn wrote: Actually, QP wants to release it, but they haven't got any halfway decent audio to go with their video (they only have a stereo downmix on reel-to-reel)

Which most people would be perfectly happy with. The only issue here is that Brian May would want to remove any glitches, which isn't possible without access to the multitracks. Discussion about such releases is fairly pointless anyway. The next DVDs will be GVH3 and Live In Rio - guaranteed. Queen Productions have zero interest in releasing anything of interest to Queen fans.

kingogre wrote: They could release it, but it wont sound nearly as good as with the multitracks. QOFATB shows what can be done with remixing of such a source. Maybe they are justing waiting with a release until they have good enough tapes. Thin Lizzy and Queen really have different markets and therefore arent comparable. From what Greg wrote a while back there actually seems to be very little unreleased live footage of good quality. Hammy 75, 79, Paris 79 and Hyde Park 75 are contenders for release but there seems to be lacking sources at the moment. Whats wrong with having a basic quality-control of what they release? And that flooding the market-argument is actually quite good, especially if there is very little that can be released. Know Im asking for trouble ;), just wanted to write what an argument made from another angle could look like.

Tero wrote: At least there are five different versions of the QPR album coming out for you to buy... Nice Touch!

on my way up wrote: If the Lizzy sound engineers are capable of doing this, the Queen people should be able to do it too.

kingogre wrote: Yes but I think Queen aims for a higher standard since they aim to sell to the general recordbuyer and not only to fans. I fully agree with you that a audio-only 70s show is a very good release. I can understand however that it is not a top-priority for them. TBH they did release a fair amount of bootleg recordings as a download for a bargain-prize only a couple of years ago. Yes, I agree aswell. However it is also about the quality of the product. Wembley was a special happening so I can understand why it was released even if I like you think that Budapest is much better. I dont Queen neither cares nor need any more respect. I still agree with you though that a HTWWW-type of product would certainly be interesting. It depends on how much great material there is and like I said Im not sure there is that much. There is absolutely no guarantees that they recorded shows for own personal use until the Live Killers era. What exists is probably only radio and TV-broadcasts and basic recordings with simple technology, all of which is probably considered lacking in quality compared with most official releases today.

FriedChicken wrote: ' still agree with you though that a HTWWW-type of product would certainly be interesting.' We had that, it was called Rare Live, and it sucked.

kingogre wrote: Like I said, it depends on what material is available in the archives. Personally I am afraid not that much sadly..Hence the low quality of Rare Live. And for this kind of product to be succesful it has to be top-quality both sound- and pictuewise.

Bad Seed wrote: First of all QPL do want to release a concert from the 70's. I dont know if this is common knowledge but Hammy'79 was in line to be released on DVD after LAWS but the project was shelved after the issue with the multi-tracks. It was not shelved because the multi-tracks dont exist, its because they simply cant find them. Then Hammy'75 was to get a release. No multi-tracks again but this time its because they dont exist and never have done. The 1/4inch stereo tape was worked on. Even Greg confirmed that Richard Grey had done the DVD cover. Why was it shelved? Honestly dont know. Then we got OFATB. All Im trying to say is that although it would be nice to have the multi's it is not a requirement. If Hammy'79 never had a multi-track it may well have gone ahead using what's available, but because the multi did exist at some point, they dont want to release it to find they show up next week.

TheAmazingEvent wrote: If Hammy'79 never had a multi-track it may well have gone ahead using what's available, but because the multi did exist at some point, they dont want to release it to find they show up next week Like QP wouldn't re-release it later with new improved audio! Come on you know they would and could.

Bad Seed wrote: Then Hammy'75 was to get a release. No multi-tracks again but this time its because they dont exist and never have done. The 1/4inch stereo tape was worked on. Even Greg confirmed that Richard Grey had done the DVD cover. Why was it shelved? Honestly dont know.

vadenuez wrote: I wouldn't give myself false hopes. It's much more probable that, as we speak, QPL is planning a new Greatest Hits CD/DVD featuring the same same same old hits plus SINT and C-Lebrity.

Toozeup wrote:

Bad Seed wrote: Then Hammy'75 was to get a release. No multi-tracks again but this time its because they dont exist and never have done. The 1/4inch stereo tape was worked on. Even Greg confirmed that Richard Grey had done the DVD cover. Why was it shelved? Honestly dont know.

Hold on a moment, hammy 75 multi-tracks must exist because the rebroadcast on swedish radio in 2005 was a completely new mix (and much better), just compare it to the original mixes on the westwood one discs, there are brand new effects on individual instruments. Plus the band was allowed to do overdubs after the show so there had to be some multi-track facility in place. The reason the DVD was pulled is because of queens poor relationship with the BBC. The Beeb clame ownership of the footage and are asking too much money for it, other artists have experienced similar problems as the going rate for footage is quite phenominal.

Toozeup wrote:

Bad Seed wrote: Then Hammy'75 was to get a release. No multi-tracks again but this time its because they dont exist and never have done. The 1/4inch stereo tape was worked on. Even Greg confirmed that Richard Grey had done the DVD cover. Why was it shelved? Honestly dont know.

Hold on a moment, hammy 75 multi-tracks must exist because the rebroadcast on swedish radio in 2005 was a completely new mix (and much better), just compare it to the original mixes on the westwood one discs, there are brand new effects on individual instruments. Plus the band was allowed to do overdubs after the show so there had to be some multi-track facility in place. The reason the DVD was pulled is because of queens poor relationship with the BBC. The Beeb clame ownership of the footage and are asking too much money for it, other artists have experienced similar problems as the going rate for footage is quite phenominal.

marvinp01 wrote: actually, QP next release will be Queen Live at The Rainbow, or Live at Budapest in Blu-Ray or HD

marvinp01 wrote: flood, how?

  Holly2003 wrote:  

      marvinp01 wrote:   actually, QP next release will be Queen Live at The Rainbow, or Live at Budapest in Blu-Ray or HD  

Care to share with us how you know that? Or was it just a guess? More likely that we'll get something from the QPR tour surely? But if you are correct Budapest is the most likely next release. After all, it meets all Queen productions' criteria: 1. It's already been released before 2. Anyone who is more than a casual fan already has it 3. Fred has a moustache 4. Has all the hits 5. Minimal amount of work for supposedly maximum amount of profit.

Holly2003 wrote:

marvinp01 wrote: actually, QP next release will be Queen Live at The Rainbow, or Live at Budapest in Blu-Ray or HD

Care to share with us how you know that? Or was it just a guess? More likely that we'll get something from the QPR tour surely? But if you are correct Budapest is the most likely next release. After all, it meets all Queen productions' criteria: 1. It's already been released before 2. Anyone who is more than a casual fan already has it 3. Fred has a moustache 4. Has all the hits 5. Minimal amount of work for supposedly maximum amount of profit.

Yara wrote: A single mistake, just like that one in Dallas, was enough to derrail him and ruin his performance. Over time, I noticed that the main problem was his lack of vocal training - he had it all: talent, an unique, addictive timber, great musical intelligence, the guy rarely went out of tune - so rarely that I can count it on my fingers - he could modify the whole performance to adapt the song to his shape or confidence, but he just wouldn't get out of tune.  But he was poorly trained. When he did everything right onstage, just like at Hammersmith, combining showmanship and flawless performance, it was almost by luck - it's clear he didn't have a clue about what was required for him to easily reach the notes, and when he did it, letting his body go through natural, spontaneous motions which allowed for a better vocal presence, he was able to blow one's mind up.

But he was poorly trained. When he did everything right onstage, just like at Hammersmith, combining showmanship and flawless performance, it was almost by luck - it's clear he didn't have a clue about what was required for him to easily reach the notes, and when he did it, letting his body go through natural, spontaneous motions which allowed for a better vocal presence, he was able to blow one's mind up. Take Save Me at Hammersmith, for instance: it's a pearl. He even laughs at himself while singing a "soul for sale or rent" so ridiculously flawless is his change in tune and color.        

Sir GH wrote:

  Yara wrote: A single mistake, just like that one in Dallas, was enough to derrail him and ruin his performance. Over time, I noticed that the main problem was his lack of vocal training - he had it all: talent, an unique, addictive timber, great musical intelligence, the guy rarely went out of tune - so rarely that I can count it on my fingers - he could modify the whole performance to adapt the song to his shape or confidence, but he just wouldn't get out of tune.  But he was poorly trained. When he did everything right onstage, just like at Hammersmith, combining showmanship and flawless performance, it was almost by luck - it's clear he didn't have a clue about what was required for him to easily reach the notes, and when he did it, letting his body go through natural, spontaneous motions which allowed for a better vocal presence, he was able to blow one's mind up.

Spectacular analysis.  You should write a book about rock singers... it'd sell.

djcamper wrote:

But he was poorly trained. When he did everything right onstage, just like at Hammersmith, combining showmanship and flawless performance, it was almost by luck - it's clear he didn't have a clue about what was required for him to easily reach the notes, and when he did it, letting his body go through natural, spontaneous motions which allowed for a better vocal presence, he was able to blow one's mind up. Take Save Me at Hammersmith, for instance: it's a pearl. He even laughs at himself while singing a "soul for sale or rent" so ridiculously flawless is his change in tune and color.        

How Freddie can be continiusly called perfectionist here and there, while he didn't bother to teach himself to sing live or get coaching during 16+ years of live performances ? How a perfectionist could be content with vocal performances of 86 tour ? You can tell what he tried to save his voice for the rest of concert, but that only happened because he didn't have vocal training. Trained singers can have 17 concerts in one month and still retain same vocal shape as on first show.

Crisstti wrote: I just wanted to join the praise of Yara's post :). By the way, it's just a fantastic concert.  They really should release it.  With whatever sound quality they can. A question.  I was just watching We Will Rock You with Freddie on superman (had never seen it, amazing performance), and I remember seeing them play the fast version on that same concert... did they play two nights there?.  And both of them on their own, no other band played?.

Rick wrote:

  Crisstti wrote: I just wanted to join the praise of Yara's post :). By the way, it's just a fantastic concert.  They really should release it.  With whatever sound quality they can. A question.  I was just watching We Will Rock You with Freddie on superman (had never seen it, amazing performance), and I remember seeing them play the fast version on that same concert... did they play two nights there?.  And both of them on their own, no other band played?.

No. We Will Rock You (fast) was part of the opening and they ended the show with the usual threesome: WWRY, WATC and GSTQ. In other words: they played it twice albeit different versions.