| The Fairy King 15.08.2008 09:00 |
link -.-' |
| Mr.Jingles 15.08.2008 09:09 |
I don't know if this is Christianity but all I know is that Nestle bottled water is the water of the Lord. Praise the Lord... and Nestle too! ...and remember that for every Nestle Crunch bar you eat, Jesus forgives one of your sins. |
| john bodega 15.08.2008 10:07 |
Oh it's awesome, I dunno if 'Gloria Jeans' is just an Australian thing - but it's a chain of coffee shops run by Christians. Can you believe that? God in a cup. Enlightenment AND a perky little frapaccino to get your day started..... honestly. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 15.08.2008 12:41 |
Wow. Those poor kids. The one who dropped to his knees... it's so sad to see them in such pain over 'sins' they've committed. And did you see how they applauded when she said Harry Potter would have been put to death? A new generation of extremists sits right there. |
| inu-liger 15.08.2008 18:31 |
This I think is why religion and its activies need to be severely limited, restricted access to, or abolished altogether. That woman scares me, the way she talks. Those kids don't need to be 'scared' like that. And I'm sick of hearing this shit about serving the Lord everyday, blah blah blah, and all this purity crap. I serve MYSELF first before I do anything else for anyone else. I'm not working for some imaginary, fictional character belonging to the world's 'best-selling' bedtime fiction novel. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 15.08.2008 20:12 |
Oh that's rich. "No more hypocrisy!" she says. Pfft. I've found that the more religious you claim to be, the more hypocritical you are. How dare she do that to these kids? Scare them into thinking that they are going straight to hell, making them cry and falling over. That is psychological abuse. Period. And, unfortunately to answer Bu's question; Yes. In too many places in America, this is Christianity. It makes me sick, but sadly it's true. |
| Dan C. 15.08.2008 21:41 |
Boy, I'd like to club that crazy bitch in the head. |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.08.2008 06:33 |
There's nothing wrong with Christianity as such. There are actually quite a few passages in the bible, even the New Testament, that make sense (even though it is quite obvious that the Old Testament was written by a more intellectual group of people than the New Testament). However, organized religion is not just un-Christian (as it is by definition dogmatic, and by clinging to the literal interpretation, as many protestants and some catholics do, the very idolatry that is warned against), but plain evil. Any church of any kinds is by definition a demagogue institution, in which an authoritative voice (preacher, reverend, priest or whatever) tells, usually less intelligent people, what to think and do. If a complete list were ever made of how many people were killed for an idea, the number of people killed for some travesty of "Christianity" would top |
| Mr.Jingles 16.08.2008 09:08 |
That clip is from 'Jesus Camp', a documentary where you don't know whether to laugh or actually be scared. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 16.08.2008 09:38 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: That clip is from 'Jesus Camp', a documentary where you don't know whether to laugh or actually be scared.If what I've read about this documentary is true, then due to public outcry, "Jesus Camp" is no more. I'd celebrate, but all that says to me is that this abuse is going on in less public ways. Did you know - in the full video, these kids are shown praying to a cut out of GW Bush? According to them (and him, apparently), he's been chosen by god to lead the USA, and so they pray to him on bended knee. Besides being ridiculous, doesn't that go against one of the mainstays of Christianity? |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 16.08.2008 09:49 |
Dan Corson VIII: I Am Sunshine wrote: Boy, I'd like to club that crazy bitch in the head. |
| Lisser 16.08.2008 10:46 |
I blame the parents for subjecting their children to that. There are crazies all over the world but it is the parents' job to protect their children from them. |
| Mr.Jingles 16.08.2008 11:06 |
The saddest part is that in most cases kids raised by overly religious fundamentalist parents are very likely to wind up in one extreme or the other. They either become mentally brainwashed as they were raised to be, or they would rebel against everything they were told to believe, and become intolerant radical atheists like Treasure Moment. Personally, I can't pick which one is the two is the worst. |
| FriedChicken 16.08.2008 18:48 |
Lisser wrote: I blame the parents for subjecting their children to that. There are crazies all over the world but it is the parents' job to protect their children from them.I agree, it's just another form of severe child abuse |
| inu-liger 16.08.2008 23:14 |
FriedChicken wrote:Agreed.Lisser wrote: I blame the parents for subjecting their children to that. There are crazies all over the world but it is the parents' job to protect their children from them.I agree, it's just another form of severe child abuse They're only going to grow up in an environment of fear and hate, and that will turn them into extremist haters down the line. I can't believe parents would be willing to subject their children to this cruel and undeserved environment and treatment. These kids need to be happy and carefree, not fearful and restricted. |
| inu-liger 16.08.2008 23:14 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: The saddest part is that in most cases kids raised by overly religious fundamentalist parents are very likely to wind up in one extreme or the other. They either become mentally brainwashed as they were raised to be, or they would rebel against everything they were told to believe, and become intolerant radical atheists like Treasure Moment. Personally, I can't pick which one is the two is the worst.Very Touché |
| magicalfreddiemercury 16.08.2008 23:54 |
inu-liger wrote: I can't believe parents would be willing to subject their children to this cruel and undeserved environment and treatment. These kids need to be happy and carefree, not fearful and restricted.I agree and yet we have to face the saddest part of this - these parents believe they're saving their children's souls by placing them in situations like this one. They see their children's tears as an understanding, a cleansing, whereas we see it for what it is - guilt and fear, brainwashing and abuse. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.08.2008 08:24 |
That is exactly why organized religion is so evil. People tell other people what to believe, and in a few generations at most that will escalate to a kind of group-schizophrenia. |
| Poo, again 18.08.2008 09:28 |
I'm very sure Jesus wouldn't have approved of this. |
| Mr.Jingles 18.08.2008 10:34 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: That is exactly why organized religion is so evil.Not all religious organizations are as fucked up as the fundamentalist wackos from 'Jesus Camp'. I personally appreciate it when religious organizations hold fund raisings where the money goes directly towards people in need without pushing for a religious agenda. Personally I don't believe in organized religion, but I do respect and I'm motivated to lend a hand when I see that their willingness to help comes straight from the heart. Of course, only the hatred filled fundamentalist nuts are the ones that make the headline news. Not because they want to make religion look bad, but because sensationalism sells. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.08.2008 11:56 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Not all organized religion is twisted *to this extent*. However, my argument goes like this:ThomasQuinn wrote: That is exactly why organized religion is so evil.Not all religious organizations are as fucked up as the fundamentalist wackos from 'Jesus Camp'. I personally appreciate it when religious organizations hold fund raisings where the money goes directly towards people in need without pushing for a religious agenda. Personally I don't believe in organized religion, but I do respect and I'm motivated to lend a hand when I see that their willingness to help comes straight from the heart. Of course, only the hatred filled fundamentalist nuts are the ones that make the headline news. Not because they want to make religion look bad, but because sensationalism sells. * Any form of organized religion knows dogmas, by definition; if not, it is not organized, because no one necessarily agrees on anything. * Dogmas, which are in turn by definition unquestionable without creating a schism, limit individual freedom of thought * Every single holy book I am somewhat intimately acquainted with (Torah, Bible, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gita) is a philosophical text that requires deep personal thought. * Any intellectual precondition (i.e. dogma) limits this freedom, and thus damages the value of the religious scriptures it interprets * Even more so for those who claim not to interpret; that quite simply is impossible. |
| Mr Mercury 18.08.2008 14:21 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: Wow. Those poor kids. The one who dropped to his knees... it's so sad to see them in such pain over 'sins' they've committed.They didnt drop to their knee's because of their sins. They did so because of the fat ugly bitch in the black top who threatened them in the opening line in that clip. "The Devil goes after the young", she says while staring at them. "Those who cannot fend for themselves. Thats why we are trying to help you, trying to warn you." With an opening line like that I was fucking scared... Then those kids were subjected to more misery by that screaming bint in the grey top trying to sing. God help those kids if that is their role models. |
| FriedChicken 18.08.2008 16:09 |
How can you be a good role model when you have that awful tiran god Yahweh as your role model. |
| Music Man 18.08.2008 17:13 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: Not all organized religion is twisted *to this extent*. However, my argument goes like this: * Any form of organized religion knows dogmas, by definition; if not, it is not organized, because no one necessarily agrees on anything. * Dogmas, which are in turn by definition unquestionable without creating a schism, limit individual freedom of thought * Every single holy book I am somewhat intimately acquainted with (Torah, Bible, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gita) is a philosophical text that requires deep personal thought. * Any intellectual precondition (i.e. dogma) limits this freedom, and thus damages the value of the religious scriptures it interprets * Even more so for those who claim not to interpret; that quite simply is impossible.What if the dogma by which you organize around is free thought? OH SNAP! |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.08.2008 06:39 |
Music Man wrote:That is not a dogma; this is the definition from the Cambridge dictionary:ThomasQuinn wrote: Not all organized religion is twisted *to this extent*. However, my argument goes like this: * Any form of organized religion knows dogmas, by definition; if not, it is not organized, because no one necessarily agrees on anything. * Dogmas, which are in turn by definition unquestionable without creating a schism, limit individual freedom of thought * Every single holy book I am somewhat intimately acquainted with (Torah, Bible, Qu'ran, Bhagavad Gita) is a philosophical text that requires deep personal thought. * Any intellectual precondition (i.e. dogma) limits this freedom, and thus damages the value of the religious scriptures it interprets * Even more so for those who claim not to interpret; that quite simply is impossible.What if the dogma by which you organize around is free thought? OH SNAP! dogma noun [C or U] DISAPPROVING a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts 'Free thought' is a completely abstract principle that cannot be interpreted as something quite so concrete as "a fixed [...] belief". I grant that even the above definition is sketchy, but dogmas are rarely more abstract than "God is threefold and singular". |
| Music Man 19.08.2008 10:34 |
While it may not technically be a dogma, it is very possible to organize a religion around it. |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.08.2008 11:46 |
It is quite so. And would that not necessarily lead to a restrictive interpretation of its object of worship? |