lalaalalaa 09.08.2008 18:59 |
Does anybody know if there is a 73 concert on dvd on this site? |
Marknow 09.08.2008 19:04 |
None. If you want to post one, go fo it. |
lalaalalaa 09.08.2008 19:34 |
there is a video out there. Queen Live in Preston |
Marknow 09.08.2008 19:56 |
lalaalalaa wrote: there is a video out there. Queen Live in PrestonYa, we all have that but we're not allowed to post it here. Its quite ironic to see Kenny Everett in the crowd cheering Queen on,way back then... |
deltazulu 09.08.2008 20:55 |
strange that queenconcerts.com doesn't list video for that show. i know you can't post it here... but can you give me a few more details? |
Bo Alex 09.08.2008 22:13 |
They played for a crowd of 30,000 fans. There were other musicians like John Lennon and Jimi Page. No worth having, really. |
lalaalalaa 09.08.2008 22:29 |
Why is it not allowed to be posted? |
lalaalalaa 09.08.2008 22:36 |
Where can I get Queen Live in Preston since "everybody has it"? |
Ale_Pisa 10.08.2008 00:48 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Where can I get Queen Live in Preston since "everybody has it"?I think it's official!!!! :) |
Luko255 10.08.2008 07:36 |
here are some informations about this video: link |
pittrek 10.08.2008 08:00 |
link |
Great_King_Rat_74 11.08.2008 17:24 |
Hola a todos, mi ingles es malo, por favor alguien en castellano, esto que es un DVD que se va a editar o que ya existe, es del 73 seria de lo mejor, al menos para mi. UN SALUDO |
Bo Alex 11.08.2008 21:50 |
No van a lanzar nada del 73. Aparentemente existe algún material de ese concierto en Breston, sería la filmación más antigua de un concierto de Queen, pero nadie lo puede confirmar. Lo más viejo conocido oficialmente es lo del Rainbow Teathre de Londres del 31 de marzo de 1974, del cual hay apenas 2 temas. |
lalaalalaa 12.08.2008 11:26 |
can somebody translate??? |
pittrek 12.08.2008 12:28 |
lalaalalaa wrote: can somebody translate???Google can :) |
pittrek 12.08.2008 12:29 |
Great_King_Rat_74 wrote: Hola a todos, mi ingles es malo, por favor alguien en castellano, esto que es un DVD que se va a editar o que ya existe, es del 73 seria de lo mejor, al menos para mi. UN SALUDO Google Translator wrote: Hello everyone, my English is bad, please someone in Castilian, that this is a DVD that will be edited or already exists, is the best of 73 serious, at least for me. A greeting |
pittrek 12.08.2008 12:30 |
Bo Alex wrote: No van a lanzar nada del 73. Aparentemente existe algún material de ese concierto en Breston, sería la filmación más antigua de un concierto de Queen, pero nadie lo puede confirmar. Lo más viejo conocido oficialmente es lo del Rainbow Teathre de Londres del 31 de marzo de 1974, del cual hay apenas 2 temas. Google Traslator translated as: They are not going to throw anything from 73. Apparently there was any material in this concert Breston, would be the oldest film of a Queen concert, but nobody can confirm it. The oldest is officially known as the Rainbow Teathre of London from March 31, 1974, of which there are only 2 subjects. |
lalaalalaa 12.08.2008 12:48 |
Thanks! Why can't anybody share this 73 concert on dvd when they can share the others? |
pittrek 13.08.2008 01:38 |
lalaalalaa wrote: Thanks! Why can't anybody share this 73 concert on dvd when they can share the others?Have you read the links we wrote here ? No such DVD exists |
lalaalalaa 13.08.2008 12:44 |
There IS footage that can be put on DVD. It might not be a DVD yet but it can be remastered and put on DVD. |
Mr Mercury 13.08.2008 13:35 |
lalaalalaa wrote: There IS footage that can be put on DVD. It might not be a DVD yet but it can be remastered and put on DVD.Let me get this straight. You want someone to put a few seconds of video onto a DVD? Are you serious? That is all that exists so far from 1973 outside of Queen Productions (if they have it that is), Brian, Roger, John, Freddie's estate, or more likely private collectors who are not willing to share. |
pittrek 13.08.2008 14:45 |
lalaalalaa wrote: There IS footage that can be put on DVD. It might not be a DVD yet but it can be remastered and put on DVD.OK it looks like this discussion will never end, so I try to stop it. 1) This is an ANNOUNCE forum. When you REQUEST something here, you will usually NOT get a serious answer 2) What makes you think that such recording exists ? The only thing we all have is this : link 3) There are 2 stories about the video - the first says that it comes from Preston 1973 and comes without a single proof. The second theory which I like more says that the first part is from Rainbow March 1974. Check the link I wrote you : link there are some very nice arguments, with which I definitely agree. 4) I hope you don't REALLY want somebody to create a DVD with this footage. If I'm misstaken, feel free to correct me guys, but until I see some proofs that I'm wrong I won't change my mind |
Madman 15.08.2008 06:07 |
Mr Mercury wrote:QP for sure dont have this - doc Killer Queen come from Granada TV and I remember even Brian mentioned that he was shocked that video like this exist but he dosent remember where come from.lalaalalaa wrote: There IS footage that can be put on DVD. It might not be a DVD yet but it can be remastered and put on DVD.Let me get this straight. You want someone to put a few seconds of video onto a DVD? Are you serious? That is all that exists so far from 1973 outside of Queen Productions (if they have it that is), Brian, Roger, John, Freddie's estate, or more likely private collectors who are not willing to share. |
Rick 15.08.2008 07:38 |
Granada TV, any idea which people made the docu? Are there any credits or whatsoever? Maybe someone can mail them about this particular footage. |
deltazulu 15.08.2008 07:56 |
I think what some people are missing is that there are only a few seconds of this old footage in the doc... a tease... not really worth spending a lot of time discussing unless you absolutely must have it. |
fly 15.08.2008 08:26 |
Rick wrote: Granada TV, any idea which people made the docu? Are there any credits or whatsoever? Maybe someone can mail them about this particular footage.Nice idea to ask about the rare footage! We all probably have think on that, but I don't think they will give this kind of information to a queen fans. This is probably a job for Greg Brooks and all the people at queen productions who works in the queen archive. When official Queen Video Live Archive List was announced in the "discussion forum" someone nicelly said: "If this is all there is, than I can go blind as a happy man, becauce this is basically all that we seen and downloaded from queenzone". But queen archivists should probably email this TV companies and ask about Tokyo May 1st 1975, Rainbow March 31st 1974... I presume TV companies would give them this informations. Who knows, maby already did contact the TV companies, or maby didn't cause they are not interrested!? |
pittrek 15.08.2008 09:02 |
QP DO have the Rainbow show |
tonimau 15.08.2008 09:54 |
Probably the first part is Freddie singing in Rainbow 31.03.1974. "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" was probably what he was singing, perhaps it fits to his movements? The second part is from Queen I tour, surely from 73, between September and December. It isn't from any of the concerts from where we have photos of the stage. There is some kind of equipment between Roger and Deacon, that isn't on any photo from the Queen I tour. It wasn't there in Oxford (as far as I can see), so it shouldn't be as well in there in Preston the next day. My guess for that footage is one of the last Queen I shows, maybe Hammersmith Odeon. But I'm just guessing here, it could even be from Golders Green... EDIT: Sorry for using "for sure". Obviously I'm not sure of anything :( |
pittrek 15.08.2008 10:03 |
tonimau wrote: Probably the first part is Freddie singing in Rainbow 31.03.1974. "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" was probably what he was singing, perhaps it fits to his movements?Or he's singing "Hangman, hangman ..." The second part is from Queen I tour, surely from 73, between September and December. It isn't from any of the concerts from where we have photos of the stage. There is some kind of equipment between Roger and Deacon, that isn't on any photo from the Queen I tour. It wasn't there in Oxford (as far as I can see), so it shouldn't be as well in there in Preston the next day. My guess for that footage is one of the last Queen I shows, maybe Hammersmith Odeon. But I'm just guessing here, it could even be from Golders Green... EDIT: Sorry for using "for sure". Obviously I'm not sure of anything :(Nice observation |
tonimau 15.08.2008 10:43 |
pittrek wrote:I know Hangman wasn't performed that night :)tonimau wrote: Probably the first part is Freddie singing in Rainbow 31.03.1974. "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" was probably what he was singing, perhaps it fits to his movements?Or he's singing "Hangman, hangman ..." I understand you are saying to me he could be singing everything anyway. Thinking a bit more about this, after the S&D guitar solo, Freddie comes in with the same clothes as in the beggining of the song! That's odd. Considering that the first part is really from the Rainbow Show, something is wrong here. I can't see any other lyric being sung that way besides "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" in that show. There might be other ones, like Liar, but then the setlist we have had to be in the wrong order for that to be true. So considering this, and that the first part shows Freddie with some kind of yellow crap over his pants, leave me with 3 plausible choices: 1) This is not the Rainbow show 2) The setlist is wrong, way too wrong for me to believe in it! Again, makes me believe this is not Rainbow show. 3) The concert is longer than the version we have and includes more songs. This doesn't explain the clothing thingy anyway. 4) Freddie changed clothes between S&D and KYA and appeared with that yellow thing that isn't there on any photo or MTR'n'R video [Can't believe in this one] 5) That footage is from Father to Son and Freddie changed to white later, and back to black for MTR'n'R. [ Can't believe in this one ] So after seing the video many times again and hearing pieces and bits from the Rainbow show, my opinion is: the first part is not from the Rainbow show. P.S. AM I INSANE? EDIT: If Granada TV made the filmings, it would make sense that it had it's own footage, so there could be a chance (and a good one) that this is their own footage and not related to the Queen archives or even BBC at all. |
pittrek 15.08.2008 13:19 |
tonimau wrote:This is for me MUCH more interesting then all of the "gimme threads".pittrek wrote:I know Hangman wasn't performed that night :) I understand you are saying to me he could be singing everything anyway. Thinking a bit more about this, after the S&D guitar solo, Freddie comes in with the same clothes as in the beggining of the song! That's odd. Considering that the first part is really from the Rainbow Show, something is wrong here. I can't see any other lyric being sung that way besides "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" in that show. There might be other ones, like Liar, but then the setlist we have had to be in the wrong order for that to be true. So considering this, and that the first part shows Freddie with some kind of yellow crap over his pants, leave me with 3 plausible choices: 1) This is not the Rainbow show 2) The setlist is wrong, way too wrong for me to believe in it! Again, makes me believe this is not Rainbow show. 3) The concert is longer than the version we have and includes more songs. This doesn't explain the clothing thingy anyway. 4) Freddie changed clothes between S&D and KYA and appeared with that yellow thing that isn't there on any photo or MTR'n'R video [Can't believe in this one] 5) That footage is from Father to Son and Freddie changed to white later, and back to black for MTR'n'R. [ Can't believe in this one ] So after seing the video many times again and hearing pieces and bits from the Rainbow show, my opinion is: the first part is not from the Rainbow show. P.S. AM I INSANE? EDIT: If Granada TV made the filmings, it would make sense that it had it's own footage, so there could be a chance (and a good one) that this is their own footage and not related to the Queen archives or even BBC at all.tonimau wrote: Probably the first part is Freddie singing in Rainbow 31.03.1974. "Keep Yourself Alive, Keep Yourself Alive!" was probably what he was singing, perhaps it fits to his movements?Or he's singing "Hangman, hangman ..." I have a couple of remarks 0) Why do you think Hangman wan't performed ? According to John S. Stuart the setlist on tis concert was Procession, Father To Son, Ogre Battle, White Queen, Great King Rat, Hangman, Doing Alright, Son & Daughter, Keep Yourself Alive, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Shake Rattle & Roll, Stupid Cupid, Jailhouse Rock (reprise), Big Spender, Modern Times Rock 'n Roll Do you have other information ? Because John is usually a reliable source :-) And to your points 1)The guy here link has nice arguments :-) 2)What do you mean with "setlist is wrong" ? Do you mean that the "tracklist of all bootlegs is wrong" ? Because that's a pretty common thing. Also check above the setlist provided by John 3) Of course it is ! There are absolutely no doubts about it 4) We KNOW that Freddie HAD this dress on the March show ! It's captured on many photos ! 5) Believe me or not but I was also thinking this is from Father To Son, but the clip is simply too short. Also the clothes changes woudn't surprise me. And now a simple logic - were Queen in 1973 famous enough to bring a camera crew to one of their concerts to shoot a couple of seconds / minutes ? I think it's logical to assume that the bits are from concert which we know where filmed. My oppinion - first part Rainbow, the second part can be ANYTHING. But of course I wouldn't bet my money on it :-) |
Madman 15.08.2008 13:34 |
pittrek wrote: 1)The guy here link has nice argumentsI hope you guys little know what I mean when I write this some time ago - sorry for my english. And do you remember and hear about some music program called "45" from this granada tv in this time when this shots are created? Maybe some part of this concert was filmed for this program - who knows... The same mysterious about other tv mimed performances what we never will show ;) Cheers. |
pittrek 15.08.2008 13:46 |
Hey Madman, great site :-) |
tonimau 15.08.2008 14:58 |
I didn't know John S. Stuart setlist. It is AMAZING! I suspected there were songs missing, but maybe 2 or 3, not that load of songs! That setlist can give you 30 more minutes of music! I made my assumptions in the way that there were suspitions about the setlist being confused/short, but it could also be the complete setlist. I also didn't imagine that setlist because this is the only recording of Queen II tour without supporting Mott The Hopple. Isn't there a yellow thing in Freddie's dress in the first part of the video that isn't present on any Rainbow march photo/video? I must say, if that setlist is correct, and QP has the full recording, that would be an AMAZING release. Thanks for all the info, I didn't know that information on the setlist, and I believe John S. Stuart is as accurate as it can get. This is why I love QueenZone, you never know enough about Queen, and this is a great place to discuss REAL Queen stuff. When I said Hangman wasn't performed that night, I said it because I didn't even imagine it was possible. Actually, I still believed that what we have could be the full setlist, even if confused/messed up. |
The Real Wizard 17.08.2008 00:03 |
pittrek wrote: According to John S. Stuart the setlist on tis concert was Procession, Father To Son, Ogre Battle, White Queen, Great King Rat, Hangman, Doing Alright, Son & Daughter, Keep Yourself Alive, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Liar, Jailhouse Rock, Shake Rattle & Roll, Stupid Cupid, Jailhouse Rock (reprise), Big Spender, Modern Times Rock 'n RollAs far as I know, this setlist was taken from Greg Brooks' first book... and we all know how reliable that is... Until a genuine recording turns up, we're not going to know what the setlist of this tour was... no matter what anyone says. |
john bodega 17.08.2008 01:38 |
Well *I* know the setlist, I have 3 recordings from that tour. Soundboard quality. |
tonimau 17.08.2008 08:04 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Well *I* know the setlist, I have 3 recordings from that tour. Soundboard quality.Rainbow, New Orleans and Portland? Because if you want to think about a setlist based on New Orleans and Portland, you pretty much get a supporting act setlist, not like the Rainbow show... it wasn't supporting Mott The Hopple right? There were apparently two encores. There might be a big chance that the Rainbow tape that leaked might be a mixed tape that was intended to be released as a live album. The lenght of it fits that theory and I doubt that as a standalone act Queen would present such a short setlist! I can believe that setlist, even if the source is Greg Brooks. However, I must say MTR'n'R must have been played before the Rock'n'Roll medley and the medley order must be confused. What is the setlist you have Zebonka? Since you say you have it, can you share that information with us? |
QueenSite 17.08.2008 18:06 |
I've been told that Mick Rock also used to make films at gigs, my idea is that the 1973/74 one comes from his collection, but no proofs, just guessin' |
Mkls 18.08.2008 03:59 |
Rick wrote: Granada TV, any idea which people made the docu? Are there any credits or whatsoever? Maybe someone can mail them about this particular footage.Years ago i sent a mail to the researcher of this show - he never replied. |