QueenZone discussion #1120155

una999 wrote: So i don't get this. Does this mean Brian is going to save the world..u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life? So fucking annoying, who cares it's bullshit. Can't believe universities waste money and resources (brian could have written a good song instead, the opportunity cost) on such shit. If this was so relevant to human civilisation wouldn't it have been completed by someone else 30 years ago...IF IT COULD WAIT 30 YEARS THAT SHOWS HOW IRRELEVANT IT IS

Zebonka12 wrote: Now since when has the pursuit of knowledge been a waste of time?

una999 wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Now since when has the pursuit of knowledge been a waste of time?

A waste of your money. every year kids are put through college to learn about stuff they don't use in their real jobs. So say 4 years in a typical college course...how expensive is that. College fees, accommodation etc...pretty expensive. But that's not all. These students could be working and adding value to society. Instead they are unproductive and it takes taxes to fund them, so a double blow. College is only needed for a select few courses like medicine, engineering etc... Why spend 4 years doing a business degree, never use any of it, COMMON SENSE rules the world, probably why i am successful

ThomasQuinn wrote: Anti-intellectualism is how stupid people try to feel superior.

una999 wrote: So i don't get this. Does this mean Brian is going to save the world..u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life? So fucking annoying, who cares it's bullshit. Can't believe universities waste money and resources (brian could have written a good song instead, the opportunity cost) on such shit. If this was so relevant to human civilisation wouldn't it have been completed by someone else 30 years ago...IF IT COULD WAIT 30 YEARS THAT SHOWS HOW IRRELEVANT IT IS

Raf wrote: So what if I don't use most things in my actual job? I'm a curious person and I like to learn. Once I got a good job, as soon as I have free time I wanna use it on different courses in University, just for the sake of learning more interesting stuff. Why don't you turn off your computer and go read a book?

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

una999 wrote: First to Holly2003...i knew immediately before checking that you are from Northern Ireland. And yes I wasn't surprised when you say you're part of the UK (which is true). But it's sad because Northern Ireland is not wanted in the UK it contributes nothing to the UK economy, it costs money to support it. Is Northern Ireland not enough, why add the UK to it, like you don't have people from Scotland saying UK, never understand that. And at least our countrymen created a successful country we didn't rely on the UK

Holly2003 wrote:

una999 wrote: First to Holly2003...i knew immediately before checking that you are from Northern Ireland. And yes I wasn't surprised when you say you're part of the UK (which is true). But it's sad because Northern Ireland is not wanted in the UK it contributes nothing to the UK economy, it costs money to support it. Is Northern Ireland not enough, why add the UK to it, like you don't have people from Scotland saying UK, never understand that. And at least our countrymen created a successful country we didn't rely on the UK

Thanks for sharing. Almost every region in the UK depends financially on London and SE England. I add UK to "it" because it's both true and perfectly natural for me to do so. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern ireland. Surely even someone as anti-education as you might've picked up on that after 87 years of that being a cast-iron fact. Lastly "Your countrymen" relied heavily on EU subsidies to make the Republic of Ireland into a "Celtic Tiger", which is highly ironic since you appear not to endorse subsidies for Northern Ireland. If there's snything else you'd like to know about Northern Ireland, UK, please consult Plunkett's severed head first: if no reply, I'll be glad to help.

una999 wrote: But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Holly2003 wrote: Help! I'm being oppressed! Remember now Una (Father Ted talking to Dougal) Northern Ireland part of the UK, Republic of Ireland no longer part of UK but keeps priest's head in a bottle.

una999 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Help! I'm being oppressed! Remember now Una (Father Ted talking to Dougal) Northern Ireland part of the UK, Republic of Ireland no longer part of UK but keeps priest's head in a bottle.

Um...u obviously have some issues with bottles. U know what i love the British. I listen to British music, watch British sport, British TV etc., i generally support Britain, but at least stand for something yourself. The republic of ireland was never part of the UK...that's why it is called a republic!! Northern Ireland is welcome to the UK, but remember it's the South that's successful part of this island. So basically no need to look down on us because there are no grounds for that, i just end up laughing at how pathetic that sounds!! Next you'll say NI has a stronger military than us...then you'll wake up and realise oh it's the UK's military which you can be sure NI has not contributed much...again just hanging onto the UK because i dunno, does it give status, 'at least yer somethin' being part of the UK. United Kindgom...united, how ironic, doesn't scotland want to break away.

kingogre wrote: Cause half of what you say is not true and the other half are misunderstandings.

ThomasQuinn wrote:

kingogre wrote: Cause half of what you say is not true and the other half are misunderstandings.

Actually, I think that by this line, you are still humoring him/her/it.

una999 wrote: But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Holly2003 wrote:

una999 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Help! I'm being oppressed! Remember now Una (Father Ted talking to Dougal) Northern Ireland part of the UK, Republic of Ireland no longer part of UK but keeps priest's head in a bottle.

Um...u obviously have some issues with bottles. U know what i love the British. I listen to British music, watch British sport, British TV etc., i generally support Britain, but at least stand for something yourself. The republic of ireland was never part of the UK...that's why it is called a republic!! Northern Ireland is welcome to the UK, but remember it's the South that's successful part of this island. So basically no need to look down on us because there are no grounds for that, i just end up laughing at how pathetic that sounds!! Next you'll say NI has a stronger military than us...then you'll wake up and realise oh it's the UK's military which you can be sure NI has not contributed much...again just hanging onto the UK because i dunno, does it give status, 'at least yer somethin' being part of the UK. United Kindgom...united, how ironic, doesn't scotland want to break away.

Una, the only one with the inferiority complex is you. I did not say anything derogatory about your wee country, only that its service industry, like that of the UK, is ideally suited to the type of jobs/world you appear to want to see. After all, you are the one who started a thread about the unimportance of education. Your diatribe only proves how wrong you are. If you want to start a shit-flinging thread about NI, RoI, GB etc., I would suggest Queenzone is not the place for that and you should take it elsewhere. However, if a little gentle ribbing for me here has you so defensive, you will be eaten alive on a forum like Slugger O'Toole.

una999 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

una999 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Help! I'm being oppressed! Remember now Una (Father Ted talking to Dougal) Northern Ireland part of the UK, Republic of Ireland no longer part of UK but keeps priest's head in a bottle.

Um...u obviously have some issues with bottles. U know what i love the British. I listen to British music, watch British sport, British TV etc., i generally support Britain, but at least stand for something yourself. The republic of ireland was never part of the UK...that's why it is called a republic!! Northern Ireland is welcome to the UK, but remember it's the South that's successful part of this island. So basically no need to look down on us because there are no grounds for that, i just end up laughing at how pathetic that sounds!! Next you'll say NI has a stronger military than us...then you'll wake up and realise oh it's the UK's military which you can be sure NI has not contributed much...again just hanging onto the UK because i dunno, does it give status, 'at least yer somethin' being part of the UK. United Kindgom...united, how ironic, doesn't scotland want to break away.

Una, the only one with the inferiority complex is you. I did not say anything derogatory about your wee country, only that its service industry, like that of the UK, is ideally suited to the type of jobs/world you appear to want to see. After all, you are the one who started a thread about the unimportance of education. Your diatribe only proves how wrong you are. If you want to start a shit-flinging thread about NI, RoI, GB etc., I would suggest Queenzone is not the place for that and you should take it elsewhere. However, if a little gentle ribbing for me here has you so defensive, you will be eaten alive on a forum like Slugger O'Toole.

Well service industry i think more of accountant, solicitors, banking etc. I never said education was not important, i merely said that its focus is wrong...i said we need doctors, engineers etc, but not horses for courses.
Well if i'm eaten alive on this Slugger O'Toole forum (which i have never heard of, but you have so i wonder) i'm sure there are people from the South who are 100million times more passionate about this subject than me who could give as good as they get. That's not my scene, as i said the only problem i have is that you seem to have some superiority complex about putting down the South then saying how you're part of the UK which is so great but what does NI contribute. So if you can't handle a little gentle ribbing maybe you shouldn't be so smug.Of course this is just purely an economic argument and nothing against anyone. I mean if there was peace in NI 40 yrs ago things would be way different.

QueenMercury46 wrote: Hey una, link

una999 wrote:

QueenMercury46 wrote: Hey una, link

How about fuck yourself

una999 wrote:

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

una999 wrote:

QueenMercury46 wrote: Hey una, link

How about fuck yourself

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Hi Been reading this thread with interest and would like to add the following. Let's have a look at the following dissertation topic - On the Gaussian error function which proved fundamental results on probability theory, namely the central limit theorem. Oh how this one drips off the tongue - I'm sure you agree the title is even easier to remember than Brian's topic. Well let's just take a moment to review this title and piece of research - this is the dissertation of a one Alan Turing (link the famous code breaker who helped change the direction of WWII due to his work at Bletchley Park. I can just hear your comments now on first review of the dissertation title - how irrelevant is this piece of work. I'm sure Alan Turing just shouldn't have bothered after all surely all of the real academic work in computing was researched and completed years before by better and smarter individuals i.e. Charles Babbage (link Using your point of view we'd never make any progress at all - You refer to Alan sugar time and time again - very successful and interesting guy but his success is mainly built on selling Amstrad PC's that other academic's and computing professionals invented and manufactured for him. Your posting is totally ironic - if we used your approach to education we'd all be still banging rocks together. "If something takes 30 years how can it really be relevant." Many academics take a lifetime of work and research only for their work to make an impact many years after their death. You'd not be able to post on this thread without the work of academics such as Turing and Babbage. I'm sure that Brian's research will have an equally important impact in the field of astronomy. Just because you don't grasp the relevance of the work doesn't make it irrelevant. And finally before you start stating that my example refers to computing which is engineering related and thus relevant from your limited perspective I'm sure I could find thousands of other examples in other fields i.e. music, art, etc etc... Learning and research is about making new discoveries not about how much money you can make. Academic research aids the whole of society and makes us what we are. Dismissing the work that Brian's done is a clear example of ignorance and a very limited outlook on life. I'd like to congratulate you on your original posting, it so clearly demonstrates to everyone a lot about yourself and your approach to everyone else - well done!

una999 wrote:

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Hi Been reading this thread with interest and would like to add the following. Let's have a look at the following dissertation topic - On the Gaussian error function which proved fundamental results on probability theory, namely the central limit theorem. Oh how this one drips off the tongue - I'm sure you agree the title is even easier to remember than Brian's topic. Well let's just take a moment to review this title and piece of research - this is the dissertation of a one Alan Turing (link the famous code breaker who helped change the direction of WWII due to his work at Bletchley Park. I can just hear your comments now on first review of the dissertation title - how irrelevant is this piece of work. I'm sure Alan Turing just shouldn't have bothered after all surely all of the real academic work in computing was researched and completed years before by better and smarter individuals i.e. Charles Babbage (link Using your point of view we'd never make any progress at all - You refer to Alan sugar time and time again - very successful and interesting guy but his success is mainly built on selling Amstrad PC's that other academic's and computing professionals invented and manufactured for him. Your posting is totally ironic - if we used your approach to education we'd all be still banging rocks together. "If something takes 30 years how can it really be relevant." Many academics take a lifetime of work and research only for their work to make an impact many years after their death. You'd not be able to post on this thread without the work of academics such as Turing and Babbage. I'm sure that Brian's research will have an equally important impact in the field of astronomy. Just because you don't grasp the relevance of the work doesn't make it irrelevant. And finally before you start stating that my example refers to computing which is engineering related and thus relevant from your limited perspective I'm sure I could find thousands of other examples in other fields i.e. music, art, etc etc... Learning and research is about making new discoveries not about how much money you can make. Academic research aids the whole of society and makes us what we are. Dismissing the work that Brian's done is a clear example of ignorance and a very limited outlook on life. I'd like to congratulate you on your original posting, it so clearly demonstrates to everyone a lot about yourself and your approach to everyone else - well done!

I must confess i didn't read all that technical stuff...explain this then sir. Queen are pretty much self taught musicians, like most bands. So you could have a trained pianist but he'll never be as successful as freddie mercury...now u see that's if you measure success in terms of money, but i measure it interms of added value, or wealth. Freddie Mercury wrote his own songs, which added value to our lives in this modern world, whereas some classical pianist basically plays mozart all day...now that may add value to someone's life, but if one pianist doesn't play mozart there will be another 20 who will. So Freddie Mercury created something new...he added value to people's lives. Now Freddie didn't need to know every complex terminology in music to do this...so it does show how pointless a lot of these things are. Getting back to my origional point which Alan Sugar made ( now u can disagree with him, but as a businessman he knows what he's talking about, remember he's wealthier than us so he must be doing something different) who stated that we need to teach kids enterprise and not textbook crap. If you can't accept the validity of that point you are stupid. Innovation drives this world. Everyone doesn't need a degree in XYZ to do this. The majority of degrees outside the science field are pathetic, and my whole point of Brian's thesis is that something that is so important could not wait 30years, but don't lose my point above.

una999 wrote: my whole point of Brian's thesis is that something that is so important could not wait 30years

Zebonka12 wrote: Be careful; this thread might make it to 4 pages. una has always been a fucking tool.... I think I've lost more useful things down the drain to be honest.

ThomasQuinn wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Be careful; this thread might make it to 4 pages. una has always been a fucking tool.... I think I've lost more useful things down the drain to be honest.

I'd go even further: Even Treasure Moment is more beneficial to this world than una.

una999 wrote: So i don't get this. Does this mean Brian is going to save the world..u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life? So fucking annoying, who cares it's bullshit. Can't believe universities waste money and resources (brian could have written a good song instead, the opportunity cost) on such shit. If this was so relevant to human civilisation wouldn't it have been completed by someone else 30 years ago...IF IT COULD WAIT 30 YEARS THAT SHOWS HOW IRRELEVANT IT IS

kingogre wrote: Theres so many stupid things in your last post that I dont know where to begin. Im sure Alan Sugar is nice fellow, but maybe you should start having opinions of your own instead of just repeating what he says. So hes got more money than us, whats the point in this? Is all lifes about who makes the most money? The quote about all degrees outside of science being pathethic is both stupid and proves you dont know a thing about what goes on in a university or in research. How about you start giving arguments for your opinions instead of just saying "Alan Sugar says so" or "you have to agree otherwise you are stupid"?

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Hi Been reading this thread with interest and would like to add the following. Let's have a look at the following dissertation topic - On the Gaussian error function which proved fundamental results on probability theory, namely the central limit theorem. Oh how this one drips off the tongue - I'm sure you agree the title is even easier to remember than Brian's topic. Well let's just take a moment to review this title and piece of research - this is the dissertation of a one Alan Turing (link the famous code breaker who helped change the direction of WWII due to his work at Bletchley Park. I can just hear your comments now on first review of the dissertation title - how irrelevant is this piece of work. I'm sure Alan Turing just shouldn't have bothered after all surely all of the real academic work in computing was researched and completed years before by better and smarter individuals i.e. Charles Babbage (link Using your point of view we'd never make any progress at all - You refer to Alan sugar time and time again - very successful and interesting guy but his success is mainly built on selling Amstrad PC's that other academic's and computing professionals invented and manufactured for him. Your posting is totally ironic - if we used your approach to education we'd all be still banging rocks together. "If something takes 30 years how can it really be relevant." Many academics take a lifetime of work and research only for their work to make an impact many years after their death. You'd not be able to post on this thread without the work of academics such as Turing and Babbage. I'm sure that Brian's research will have an equally important impact in the field of astronomy. Just because you don't grasp the relevance of the work doesn't make it irrelevant. And finally before you start stating that my example refers to computing which is engineering related and thus relevant from your limited perspective I'm sure I could find thousands of other examples in other fields i.e. music, art, etc etc... Learning and research is about making new discoveries not about how much money you can make. Academic research aids the whole of society and makes us what we are. Dismissing the work that Brian's done is a clear example of ignorance and a very limited outlook on life. I'd like to congratulate you on your original posting, it so clearly demonstrates to everyone a lot about yourself and your approach to everyone else - well done!

I must confess i didn't read all that technical stuff...explain this then sir. Queen are pretty much self taught musicians, like most bands. So you could have a trained pianist but he'll never be as successful as freddie mercury...now u see that's if you measure success in terms of money, but i measure it interms of added value, or wealth. Freddie Mercury wrote his own songs, which added value to our lives in this modern world, whereas some classical pianist basically plays mozart all day...now that may add value to someone's life, but if one pianist doesn't play mozart there will be another 20 who will. So Freddie Mercury created something new...he added value to people's lives. Now Freddie didn't need to know every complex terminology in music to do this...so it does show how pointless a lot of these things are. Getting back to my origional point which Alan Sugar made ( now u can disagree with him, but as a businessman he knows what he's talking about, remember he's wealthier than us so he must be doing something different) who stated that we need to teach kids enterprise and not textbook crap. If you can't accept the validity of that point you are stupid. Innovation drives this world. Everyone doesn't need a degree in XYZ to do this. The majority of degrees outside the science field are pathetic, and my whole point of Brian's thesis is that something that is so important could not wait 30years, but don't lose my point above.

Lots to consider in your reply - don't get me wrong; nothing wrong with Alan Sugar great guy and a big plus to society. You mention innovation - this comes from understanding and knowledge which comes from research. Please don't get me wrong - you can make great contributions to society without a degree -univerity of life is a great thing. Academic institutes are about providing an infrastructure to allow people to be creative and successful. You quote we need to teach kids enterprise not textbook crap - I'd comment that we need to teach kids to think, question and react constructively to what they encounter (objectivity comes to mind as well - which some people appear to lack). You comment that all members of Queen are self taught - if you really understood how academic institutes work you'd understand that all teachers really do is provide an infrastructure for people to learn. By the way correct me if I'm incorrect here but all four members of Queen all hold university degrees. There's really very little difference between a self taught subject and something structured as a university course. I respect everyone's right to have an opinion (including yours) but please don't be so quick to term others stupid or pathetic. Please take some time to properly look at the area Brian studies before passing judgement. Your comment about if something is so important how can it wait 30 years. Scientific discovery and research can take a lifetime and in terms of Astronomical research 30 years is nothing in real terms. Publishing a Phd thesis and having it accepted is about reaching a certain level of research and having it acknowledged by your peers in the relevant field of study. It's about making a contribution to collective knowledge. That is what Brian's current piece of work is about - hard work and innovation aiming to help others understand. That should be recognised and applauded not dismissed as irrelevant. Brian's a fantastic role model for kids, hard working, skilled, loads of talent, highly creative in loads of areas both music and scientific. Commenting that you only come here to have fun - great I didn't start this debate - you did. Sounds like Brian completing his thesis appears to upset you - sorry to here this.

Hitman1965 wrote: Question: I'm new here what is Treasure Moment?

Zebonka12 wrote:

Hitman1965 wrote: Question: I'm new here what is Treasure Moment?

Hi. They're a band that post on Queenzone frequently. It's either Max or Amir, and Andreas that are the guys that come the most. Andreas is apparently fake, but he sounds genuine to me :/ More to the point; they are a crappy Swedish Myspace band disaster, but according to their members they are 'the 2nd greatest band in history'. And also 'following in Queen's footsteps'. :/

una999 wrote:

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

Hitman1965 wrote:

una999 wrote:

gnomo wrote:

una999 wrote: u see what difference is this PHD going to make to anyone's life?

A whole world of difference to HIS life surely. Some difference, hopefully, also to the life of some astronomer who might use the data and conclusions in it to get a better understanding of something somewhere in the Universe.

But if it could wait 30 years...how relevant is it?

Hi Been reading this thread with interest and would like to add the following. Let's have a look at the following dissertation topic - On the Gaussian error function which proved fundamental results on probability theory, namely the central limit theorem. Oh how this one drips off the tongue - I'm sure you agree the title is even easier to remember than Brian's topic. Well let's just take a moment to review this title and piece of research - this is the dissertation of a one Alan Turing (link the famous code breaker who helped change the direction of WWII due to his work at Bletchley Park. I can just hear your comments now on first review of the dissertation title - how irrelevant is this piece of work. I'm sure Alan Turing just shouldn't have bothered after all surely all of the real academic work in computing was researched and completed years before by better and smarter individuals i.e. Charles Babbage (link Using your point of view we'd never make any progress at all - You refer to Alan sugar time and time again - very successful and interesting guy but his success is mainly built on selling Amstrad PC's that other academic's and computing professionals invented and manufactured for him. Your posting is totally ironic - if we used your approach to education we'd all be still banging rocks together. "If something takes 30 years how can it really be relevant." Many academics take a lifetime of work and research only for their work to make an impact many years after their death. You'd not be able to post on this thread without the work of academics such as Turing and Babbage. I'm sure that Brian's research will have an equally important impact in the field of astronomy. Just because you don't grasp the relevance of the work doesn't make it irrelevant. And finally before you start stating that my example refers to computing which is engineering related and thus relevant from your limited perspective I'm sure I could find thousands of other examples in other fields i.e. music, art, etc etc... Learning and research is about making new discoveries not about how much money you can make. Academic research aids the whole of society and makes us what we are. Dismissing the work that Brian's done is a clear example of ignorance and a very limited outlook on life. I'd like to congratulate you on your original posting, it so clearly demonstrates to everyone a lot about yourself and your approach to everyone else - well done!

I must confess i didn't read all that technical stuff...explain this then sir. Queen are pretty much self taught musicians, like most bands. So you could have a trained pianist but he'll never be as successful as freddie mercury...now u see that's if you measure success in terms of money, but i measure it interms of added value, or wealth. Freddie Mercury wrote his own songs, which added value to our lives in this modern world, whereas some classical pianist basically plays mozart all day...now that may add value to someone's life, but if one pianist doesn't play mozart there will be another 20 who will. So Freddie Mercury created something new...he added value to people's lives. Now Freddie didn't need to know every complex terminology in music to do this...so it does show how pointless a lot of these things are. Getting back to my origional point which Alan Sugar made ( now u can disagree with him, but as a businessman he knows what he's talking about, remember he's wealthier than us so he must be doing something different) who stated that we need to teach kids enterprise and not textbook crap. If you can't accept the validity of that point you are stupid. Innovation drives this world. Everyone doesn't need a degree in XYZ to do this. The majority of degrees outside the science field are pathetic, and my whole point of Brian's thesis is that something that is so important could not wait 30years, but don't lose my point above.

Lots to consider in your reply - don't get me wrong; nothing wrong with Alan Sugar great guy and a big plus to society. You mention innovation - this comes from understanding and knowledge which comes from research. Please don't get me wrong - you can make great contributions to society without a degree -univerity of life is a great thing. Academic institutes are about providing an infrastructure to allow people to be creative and successful. You quote we need to teach kids enterprise not textbook crap - I'd comment that we need to teach kids to think, question and react constructively to what they encounter (objectivity comes to mind as well - which some people appear to lack). You comment that all members of Queen are self taught - if you really understood how academic institutes work you'd understand that all teachers really do is provide an infrastructure for people to learn. By the way correct me if I'm incorrect here but all four members of Queen all hold university degrees. There's really very little difference between a self taught subject and something structured as a university course. I respect everyone's right to have an opinion (including yours) but please don't be so quick to term others stupid or pathetic. Please take some time to properly look at the area Brian studies before passing judgement. Your comment about if something is so important how can it wait 30 years. Scientific discovery and research can take a lifetime and in terms of Astronomical research 30 years is nothing in real terms. Publishing a Phd thesis and having it accepted is about reaching a certain level of research and having it acknowledged by your peers in the relevant field of study. It's about making a contribution to collective knowledge. That is what Brian's current piece of work is about - hard work and innovation aiming to help others understand. That should be recognised and applauded not dismissed as irrelevant. Brian's a fantastic role model for kids, hard working, skilled, loads of talent, highly creative in loads of areas both music and scientific. Commenting that you only come here to have fun - great I didn't start this debate - you did. Sounds like Brian completing his thesis appears to upset you - sorry to here this.

Ok i didn't mean to offend anyone, i'm just saying. no hard feelings

una999 wrote:

kingogre wrote: Theres so many stupid things in your last post that I dont know where to begin. Im sure Alan Sugar is nice fellow, but maybe you should start having opinions of your own instead of just repeating what he says. So hes got more money than us, whats the point in this? Is all lifes about who makes the most money? The quote about all degrees outside of science being pathethic is both stupid and proves you dont know a thing about what goes on in a university or in research. How about you start giving arguments for your opinions instead of just saying "Alan Sugar says so" or "you have to agree otherwise you are stupid"?

Sorry haven't time to respond to everyone...i'll just pick this one. Ok so tell me that studying 13th century classical studies contributes to society? Not really, i mean calling a spade a spade. The brains of that individual could be put to productive use. BTW the only problem is that the TAXPAYER pays for it, if they want to do it themselves that's fine, but the universities that they use have been paid for with taxes, grants etc.
I think i have given my own arguments and haven't just used alan sugar, i mean that's an immature response, you remind meof the civil service, just accept the message not the delivery boy, the fact of the matter is, that regardless of who says the message, it is true. [/QUOTe]
13th century classics are to a large part the foundation of our literature today, have formed the thinking of the people who have read them since, are still read today and are vital and rare examples of how the culture and society of the 13th century. They can also be studied both from a historical perspective and to understand how our modern society and values have developed and why they are the way they are. Surely you do not think that history is useless subject?
My apologies for being harsh, got carried away.:)

Hitman1965 wrote: Thanks for the heads up - sounds entertaining and I don't mean the music - will have to google it for a laugh by the sounds of your comments. Any idea if they model themselves after Abba?

kingogre wrote:

una999 wrote:

kingogre wrote: Theres so many stupid things in your last post that I dont know where to begin. Im sure Alan Sugar is nice fellow, but maybe you should start having opinions of your own instead of just repeating what he says. So hes got more money than us, whats the point in this? Is all lifes about who makes the most money? The quote about all degrees outside of science being pathethic is both stupid and proves you dont know a thing about what goes on in a university or in research. How about you start giving arguments for your opinions instead of just saying "Alan Sugar says so" or "you have to agree otherwise you are stupid"?

Sorry haven't time to respond to everyone...i'll just pick this one. Ok so tell me that studying 13th century classical studies contributes to society? Not really, i mean calling a spade a spade. The brains of that individual could be put to productive use. BTW the only problem is that the TAXPAYER pays for it, if they want to do it themselves that's fine, but the universities that they use have been paid for with taxes, grants etc. I think i have given my own arguments and haven't just used alan sugar, i mean that's an immature response, you remind meof the civil service, just accept the message not the delivery boy, the fact of the matter is, that regardless of who says the message, it is true. [/QUOTe] 13th century classics are to a large part the foundation of our literature today, have formed the thinking of the people who have read them since, are still read today and are vital and rare examples of how the culture and society of the 13th century. They can also be studied both from a historical perspective and to understand how our modern society and values have developed and why they are the way they are. Surely you do not think that history is useless subject? My apologies for being harsh, got carried away.:)

I'm going to finish up here on this one...to understand out modern society...no one understands modern society, and it is more influenced by new superpowers like china and russia. i love history, but on that note, if you watch discovery channel, you'd think WW2 was the only war in history!!! I'm a member of my local historical society!!!