QueenZone discussion #1117201
Ensueno Mistake on the Freddie Boxed Set. BUT...........
| Queen Archivist 18.07.2008 06:43 |
I have not been here on Queenzone for ages. I thought I'd have a look this morning. Nothing much changes. I see that this question has arisen AGAIN, as it tends to do every other year or so. It's a fair question/point to raise, for sure it is... but it has been rather done to death now. Never mind; that said, there are of course new members to QZ all the time (presumably) who will not be aware that all or most of this has already been debated in detail - soon after the SOLO box emerged the best part of a decade ago now. And several times since. Here is my response to THIS Ensueno point... not least because the same principal also applies to various other threads I've seen but cannot find enough enthusiasm to reply to. This is MY point of view. The Freddie Mercury SOLO box of 2000, was actually a mammoth undertaking. It contains over a hundred items from multiple sources, and required a HUGE amount of work in order to present it logically and in a nice and 'user-friendly' way. 1. Until YOU guys or girls actually work upon a project of this size, believe me you have no idea of the hundreds of potential pitfalls that lay in wait for you. Much like a bunker (or sand trap) in Golf, certain things will lay in wait, hidden, and sometimes you simply fall into the trap, but never get back to that thing again to change it. You get side-tracked by things like Dave Clark on the phone again making further tiny changes to the text you both agreed on a month ago, but which he wants changed slightly. Or sidetracked by the designer wanting the next sleeve note or lyrics, or credit, or publishing details, or photo detail. You can have your concentration taken away by phone calls, checking credits or dates, or the spelling of someone's name, or by the transcription of lyrics. A million things can trip you up. 2. There were some mixes that were missed on that box. I think the 7" single edit of Made In Heaven and a further 12" mix of Barcelona. Yes, they got missed. That was regrettable. Not the end of the world though, given ALL THE OTHER mixes of those things. It's not like you went without, or like any track was not represented at all. EVERYTHING was represented, much of several times. BUT.... hundreds of very wonderful, fabulous out-takes did NOT get missed. I ensured that MANY items made it onto the box, and I researched in detail where each thing was recorded, by whom, and when. Here again, there were hundreds of potential mistakes to be made. But Justin and I worked 16 hour days (very often) in order to check and re-check each other's data and thoughts, and words, and observations. Ultimately, I believe we did an exceptional job. I think that box is probably second to none on many levels. I wish I had Pink Floyd, Kate Bush, Beatles, Clapton boxes on a parallel with the FM Solo box... compiled with genuine love and affection and meticulous care, and covering SO much ground never ever covered before. OK, so two virtually identical mixes of Kate Bush's Bla Bla Bla track, might have been put on the box, instead of Bla and Bla... like our Ensueno oversight - BUT, the vast amount of other stuff offerred to me FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME in 30 years, in this fictitious example, would more than make up for that. PLUS 30,000 words of text detailing each item and its origins - which as far as I know is 100% accurate - though one of you people might spot something in slight error that reduces that 100% to 99.99999998%, in the context of the full 30,000 words. Justin and I (and others of course) spent endless months on that boxed set, putting in the kind of detail that you guys, seriously, could not even imagine - especially in terms of the mixing and other brilliant touches Justin put in all along the process. I was staggered at what he did. And I bet you are not even aware of even a quarter of those details - so easily taken for granted. For example... we had two interesting versions of Living On My Own. But the disc was too long. One of them had to go. But they BOTH had very fascinating elements... very different to the familiar mix. So... in order not to lose one, and to get the very best of both, Justin conceived the Hybrid idea, and thus you guys got the best of both worlds, and I got to include my sleeve notes for BOTH. But... do you guys mention these things? Do you compliment me or JSS or anyone on the multitude of GREAT things on the box? No, as usual you focus in only on the oversights. 3. How much did you guys, dear Queen fans, actually GAIN from that boxed set? How much did you learn about Freddie Mercury in the recording studio? How impressed were you by those beautiful out-takes, studio banter, making music and getting it wrong (sometimes) along the way? How much of a privileged insight into usually SECRET work did you get to hear? 4. What did you lose? The two mixes I mentioned, plus one or two others maybe. And a SLIGHTLY alternative Ensueno/Exercises was missed. How does that compare with the above GAINS, news info, new insights, wonderful never before heard work in progress? Where is the fair balance here? 5. When This Tired Old Body Wants To Sing. Have you heard that? Do things like that - and so many of those Guide Me Home/How Can I go On gems, etc - bring tears to your eyes? Do certain things on that box of 12 discs really MOVE you to the core? Does Freddie make you laugh out loud with his "Oh, I'll never get it!" and "Let's fuck off outta here!" ??? YES. Good. I'm pleased. See the balance, people. Recognise the endless hours of sheer beauty and unprecedented GENIUS you have in that box, and stop going on and on about the tiny errors we made. We made a few THOUSAND spot-on, accurate, on the nose, on the money, bloody good and faultless decisions.... while the number of errors we made can be counted on one hand. NO-ONE else has done THAT kind of detailed job. So please, as I say, have the grace and, as my father would say, "be big enough" to recognise the GREAT and WONDERFUL, instead of the negative. I love the work of English Victorian novelist H.G Wells. I collect his books. As a matter of fact, The War Of The Worlds, probably his greatest work, is littered with errors. Things that certain scientists (with a greater knowledge of the planets, stars, distances, light years, than Wells had in his time) have since been able to disprove, DO NOT, for me anyway, lessen the impact of a very great book. Yes, he got things a bit wrong. But he got A LOT right. Yes, there are errors in The War Of The Worlds. A 100 ft high Martian tripod Fighting Machine CANNOT POSSIBLY take the huge stride that Wells described in detail. The physics/maths do not add up. So what! Indeed, many scientists believe that a three-legged war machine is totally ridiculous and not remotely feasible. So what! The over all story is original and wonderful, and ahead of its time. Many people were influenced by Wells, and copied and mimicked his fresh and innovative ideas - just like they did (and still do) with Queen and Freddie Mercury. Do I sit and pick holes in Wells' (actually rather charming) oversights? No. The errors and inaccuracies are few and far between, and non-consequential in the entire scheme of things. I see the bigger picture, recognise what the main focus should be. I know a great book when I see it and I don't want to bring it down or destroy it for anyone. Books, boxed sets, it's the same principal. Mmmmmm! yes we did get it it a bit wrong with Ensueno. And Martain Fighting Machines cannot take 100 yard strides!!! We got a lot RIGHT too. And so did HG! |
| Benn 18.07.2008 06:57 |
Yes, Greg. Very well done. A large, self-agrandising pat on the back is deserved at this point. Not sure you needed to make SO many excuses when all you needed to say was that the creative decisions and space conspired to simply make certain things unavailable, but should other rarities be unearthed in the future, what was left off the original set would be considered for inclusion on a follow-up set. FWIW, it's a great set and I MUST dig it out again this week - if ONLY we could have a Queen version :-( |
| Adam Baboolal 18.07.2008 07:05 |
Could you expand on the "brilliant touches" and mixing that went on? I'm very interested in that area. Thanks, Adam. P.s. excellent box set that I love. |
| on my way up 18.07.2008 07:13 |
The FM box is indeed fabulous! The people responsible for this box did an amazing job. You are one of those, Greg, and you have every right to be proud about it. I think every fan who has this item is totally crazy about it. I think we can all understand that something gets missed in such a vast work. I wonder why Freddie's final live performance for the Time musical in 1988 was not included. Could you tell us something about that? And like others pointed out and will point out now: now it's only waiting for a Queen box. I hope that will be even better. If you guys put in the same work, that will be for sure be the case! Also, a box with audiorecordings of the best seventies shows would be great. And a wonderful, womplete BBC set. These 2 things are the products I would like most. |
| Queen Archivist 18.07.2008 07:17 |
Benn wrote: Yes, Greg. Very well done. A large, self-agrandising pat on the back is deserved at this point. Not sure you needed to make SO many excuses when all you needed to say was that the creative decisions and space conspired to simply make certain things unavailable, but should other rarities be unearthed in the future, what was left off the original set would be considered for inclusion on a follow-up set. FWIW, it's a great set and I MUST dig it out again this week - if ONLY we could have a Queen version :-(Benn... I won't tell you how to write, or what to write, or how best to offer your thoughts, or cleverly suggest how else you could phrase things, if you don't do the same for me. I think I'll write things how I want to, you patronising sod, rather than how things should be according to the all-important and very clever Benn. |
| Queen Archivist 18.07.2008 07:24 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Could you expand on the "brilliant touches" and mixing that went on? I'm very interested in that area. Thanks, Adam. P.s. excellent box set that I love.Adam, I spent probably 3-4 entire months with Justin watching him do his 'thing' with enormous care. Far too much to remember. And Josh did some great stuff too of course. But I do recall that LOMO Hybrid day very well. And I recall hearing the final mix of LET'S TURN IT ON... just Freddie's voice. A lot of tiny touches to make it sound the very best it could, and eradicate little sounds that could be heard in Freddie's headphones. Those things did not miraculously disappear. They were painstakingly removed by hard-working people who genuinely and clearly CARE A LOT. I probably could have said this more concisely, in one sentence maybe, but I like to express myself how I do. That is, after all, one of the few free privileges left to us in this country. Spoken words are not being taxed, yet! |
| Rick 18.07.2008 07:34 |
Well, since you're online again, Greg, could you give us a list of which shows have been recorded by Queen? Audio that is (about 40 shows, as you stated). Here's the topic: /queenzone/1027435.html |
| Adam Baboolal 18.07.2008 08:37 |
Thanks for the info. If you expand on that particular day, that'd be marvelous! Why don't people here ask you these kind of things instead of arguing about...stuff?! Adam. |
| una999 18.07.2008 09:11 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I have not been here on Queenzone for ages. I thought I'd have a look this morning. Nothing much changes. I see that this question has arisen AGAIN, as it tends to do every other year or so. Mmmmmm! yes we did get it it a bit wrong with Ensueno. And Martain Fighting Machines cannot take 100 yard strides!!! We got a lot RIGHT too. And so did HG!I'm afraid I agree with Benn. This sounds like a tribute to yourself, and self praise is no praise. And just for the record I don't have the box set, so can't comment. All I know is that only a cocky person could write that. |
| Adam Baboolal 18.07.2008 09:31 |
You know what, being proud of something you were a part of and speaking so up front about it is a good thing. Self praise indeed - however, here, it's well earned. This is why there are always threads that descend into fighting and arguing - because of little jabs and pokes at others. Where are the happy folk in QZ town these days??? Adam. |
| Pim Derks 18.07.2008 09:55 |
Greg, your work on the FM boxset (and Jeff Wayne's WOTW-set too) is excellent. It's just a shame that it's not the DEFINITIVE box. Same thing happened with Genesis - they decided to leave of some officially released b-sides on their last 1983-1998 box. I couldn't care less about those tracks - but if it's supposed to be a definitive box they should've been included. Same thing goes for Exercises/Ensueno, MIH 7" mix etc. |
| Pim Derks 18.07.2008 09:55 |
BTW, any chance that you can shine a light on the contents of the forthcoming SINGLES boxset (Nov. 4th release)? |
| A Word In Your Ear 18.07.2008 09:59 |
Yes Greg, well done with the FM box set from 2000, Any News when the Queen one will be ready? |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.07.2008 10:13 |
I think that no one would complain about the minor faults on box sets such as the Freddie Mercury one, if further installments (i.e. QUEEN BOX SETS) didn't keep getting delayed indefinitely. |
| Phill the Thrill 18.07.2008 11:13 |
I just had a great idea. Not sure if anyone else thought or / suggested this ever. Why not take all of the tracks that were missed, skipped, overlooked, found since, etc. And put together an "in addition" - "the missing tracks" supplementary disc that could be done in the same style (label, cover, packaging wise) along with liner notes like in the full set. that way we could have official releases of all the missed tracks and it still looks like it belongs. not that QP would do that...seeing as they so very rarely give the fans what they acctualy want....but its another thing they could put on the list of "things we should do but never will" |
| Phill the Thrill 18.07.2008 11:33 |
but i would also like to point out that i ABSOLUTLY LOVE the freddie box set. it is one of my most prized possesion, queen related and otherwise and is on promenant display in my home. I am SO very thankfull for all the work and care that went into it. If we cant have the missed tracks...I am still so gratefull for what we do have. And on top of my (an many other peoples) complaint about QP just giving us crap...they have given us alot of good stuff too. |
| john bodega 18.07.2008 13:12 |
God I love it when people try to validate themselves. Lots of work went into the Freddie boxset. Good for you, GB. But don't get too obsessed about it all. As time goes by it might start to affect your personality; and we wouldn't want that. :/ Move on! |
| Adam Baboolal 18.07.2008 16:32 |
Interesting idea Phil. How many tracks were missed out? Adam. |
| CM 18.07.2008 20:28 |
Dear Greg, In mi case, I think I have always been aware of the hard work creating the FM box set was. I remember buying it the very same day a copy arrived to my town, and loving every single second of its music and video stuff. Since those days I have always wanted to know if we would finally listen to the Time 88 musical live tracks as well as the Victory song with Michael Jackson. Can you also tell us about the reason those recordings could not be part of the box then? Greg, from one Queen fan to another, thanks for your time. I hope another post like this can be read soon about the good the Queen box sets have been!!! |
| brians wig 19.07.2008 05:11 |
In this world of digital downloads, why not just sell the missing tracks on Queen Online? It would save EMI manufacturing costs. This is where I get my head bitten off, but does anyone ever listen to that appalling remix album that was included as part of the boxset? There's a whole 74 minutes of space that could have been put to much better use containing "proper" Freddie tracks, not someone elses remixes. On a more positive note, I love the Barcelona Sessions disc. If only EMI had allowed more discs in the set... |
| Holly2003 19.07.2008 06:46 |
And all of this because someone pointed out in a completely non-insulting way a mistake on the FM box set. No wonder fans are disillusioned with Queen Productions. |
| Penetration_Guru 19.07.2008 15:05 |
Agreed. Sorry Greg - instead of getting into any interesting discussions that may be (but probably aren't) going on, here you are picking up on a small (and by your own admission, repetitive) criticism of something you were involved in. So off you go, telling us little people how much work you put into it. Now that's fair enough, it was a very good piece of work, but you've phrased it in such patronising terms that it reads as though nobody else could possibly understand the brilliance of your efforts. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of us work hard, lots of us do a good job, and lots of us are unappreciated too... It's the same with your book. You did the best you could at the time (and I mean that with no subtext), but now 10 years later you get criticised about it. Which demonstrates that people don't read the "first published" date and explains why people use "but it was their last concert" as a reason why Knebworth MUST have been recorded. But you get very defensive about it - which seems odd. YOU know you did everything you could to produce something worthwhile, so why do you let people get to you? Although I am unpublished, if I produce a piece of work and it gets criticised later, I have to take it on the chin - I certainly wouldn't last long if I used the "I don't see you doing any better" line upon which you frequently fall back. Hmmm, this reads more like a rant than I intended. Sorry. The FM box is great. Queen Live was a really useful book to me. But its author is suprisingly thin-skinned... |
| Queen Archivist 21.07.2008 12:52 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Agreed. PENETRATION GURU... YOU'RE TWISTING THE MAIN FOCUS OF MY THREAD. AGAIN. I MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT IT WAS A TEAM OF US THAT PUT THE FM BOX TOGETHER. I SINGLED OUT JUSTIN SHIRLEY-SMITH YOU WILL HAVE NOTICED, WHO CLEARLY IS NOT GREG BROOKS. NEITHER IS JOSH MACRAE GREG BROOKS, WHOM I ALSO POINTED OUT. MY FOCUS WAS INDEED MAINLY ABOUT ME, MYSELF, I, BECAUSE OF COURSE THE THING I WAS RESPONDING TO WAS AIMED AT ME MYSELF I, AND NO-ONE ELSE. SO THAT'S JUST PURE PRACTICAL LOGIC AND NOTHING TO DO WITH EGO OR ME PATTING MYSELF ON MY BACK... AS YOU TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM. Sorry Greg - instead of getting into any interesting discussions that may be (but probably aren't) going on, AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH!!!! here you are picking up on a small (and by your own admission, repetitive) criticism of something you were involved in. YES THIS IS TRUE... BUT ONLY BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN. AND... AS I POINTED OUT EARLY ON, THERE ARE PROBABLY NEW PEOPLE TO QUEENZONE ALL THE TIME, AND THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HERE ON QZ THE FIRST OR LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THE POINT. SO YOU SEE, PENEGRU, YOU DON'T REACT ENTIRELY FAIRLY AND WITH EQUAL BALNCE TO THE POINTS I MAKE, DO YOU. LIKE OTHERS ON QZ, YOU GET TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH TRYING HAVE A GO AT ME AND SCORE POINTS AT MY EXPENSE... WHICH IS ALSO OK. I'M USED TO THAT. YES, IT WAS REPETITIVE... ONLY FOR THOSE REASONS. PERHAPS THINK OF 'OTHERS' (WHO WILL BE UNAWARE OF ALL THE HISTORY) BEFORE YOU SO QUICKLY REACT TO MY WORDS. SO.... REMEMBER THE REASON I COVERED OLD GROND AGAIN. IT WAS FOR THE 'NEW' QZ-ERS AS MUCH AS ANYONE. So off you go, telling us little people how much work you put into it. YOU DESCRIBING YOURSELF AS ONE OF THE LITTLE PEOPLE IMPLIES THAT YOU HAVE THAT VIEW OF YOURSELF. I CERTAINLY DO NOT. IF YOU PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT TO IMPLY THAT I THINK LIKE THAT IS JUST YOU PUTTING AN UNNECCESARY SPIN ON IT. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE I VIEW YOU AS A LESSER PERSON TO ME, BUT YET NOWHERE IN ME THREAD DO I EVEN HINT AT THAT. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I SPEND LITTLE TIME HERE - BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T REALLY READ CAREFULLY MY MAIN POINT. INSTEAD YOU LOOK FOR WAYS TO PORTRAY ME OR MY POINT IN A PATRONISING WAY. AND THAT IS SO TEDIOUS... IT STOPS ME READING ON AND REPLYING TO OTHER QUESTIONS, LIKE I USED TO. PENEGRU.... YOU WILL SEE THAT I MADE A SERIOUS AND LEGITIMATE EFFORT TO IMPART SOME BACKGROUND FACTS ABOUT THE MAKING OF THE FM BOX... THE LOMO HYBRID MIX AND ITS ORIGINS, ETC. SO STOP TRYING TO DEVALUE A SENSIBLE AND PRODUCTIVE THREAD WITH YOUR 'I'M JUST A LITTLE PERSON' BULLSHIT. I FIND THAT SO BELITTLING ON SEVERAL LEVELS. Now that's fair enough, it was a very good piece of work, GEE! THANKS FOR THAT, MR GRUDGING GURU MAN. but you've phrased it in such patronising terms that it reads as though nobody else could possibly understand the brilliance of your efforts. I WAS NOT PATRONISING. WHAT WAS REMOTELY PATRONISING IN IT??? PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST HATE HATE HATE IT WHEN SOMEONE CASUALLY SAYS "YES, I DID A GOOD OR GREAT JOB. OR WE DID A GREAT JOB." IT'S NOT VERY BRITISH TO CONFESS YOU DID GOOD, OR DID GREAT, IS IT!!! GOD FORBIT I SHOULD BE CONFIDENT OR PROUD. WELL, BOLLOCKS THAT.... I AM. WHY? I DON'T KNOW. IF YOU DO A GREAT JOB, THEN BE PROUD ENOUGH TO SAY SO. PEOPLE ARE QUICK ENOUGH TO POINT OUT A SHIT JOB. WHEN I DO GOOD WORK I'M HAPPY TO SAY SO, HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE I'M PROUD OF IT. I EXPLAINED WE WORKED 16 HOUR DAYS BECAUSE WE DID. IF YOU THINK THAT'S PATRONISING, WHEN IT'S ACCURATE FACT, THEN MORE FOOL YOU GURY BABY. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of us work hard, lots of us do a good job, and lots of us are unappreciated too... YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE. YOU SOUND BITTER AND RESENTFUL. WHEREAS I SOUND PROUD AND HAPPY AND GLAD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH GREAT WORK. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF YOU FEEL PATRONISED AND UNAPPRECIATED. THAT WASN'T THE THRUST OF MY POINT, BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS ZONE IN ON THAT FIRST. YOU HAVE A BIT OF A CHIP ON THE SHOULDER, IT SEEMS, THAT YOU HONE IN ON THOSE THINGS SO FREQUENTLY PENEGRU. YOU ARE TOTALLY UNABLE TO SHOW THE TINIEST BIT OF GRACE. ALWAYS, IT'S THE PICKY PICK RESENTMENT FIRST. IT IS, YOU KNOW. YOU ARE ALWAYS INVOLVED IN COMMENTS LIKE THIS GURU. WHY ARE YOU SUCH A GROUCHY BASTARD. DON'T YOU LOVE THE FREDDIE BOX TOO? DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO YOU BESIDES RESENTMENT AND AN IRRESISTABLE COMPULSION TO HAVE A POP AT ME? It's the same with your book. You did the best you could at the time (and I mean that with no subtext), but now 10 years later you get criticised about it. Which demonstrates that people don't read the "first published" date and explains why people use "but it was their last concert" as a reason why Knebworth MUST have been recorded. THERE YOU GO, POPPING AGAIN. PENSTRUATION GURU... YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT WHAT I HAVE SAID (RECENTLY) ABOUT KNEBWORTH, BEFORE YOU OFF AGAIN DOWN YOUR ILL-INFORMED ROAD. WHAT I SAID ABOUT KNEBWORTH IS ACCURATE. STOP BEING A BITTER KNOW-ALL TURD AND LISTEN FOR ONCE. But you get very defensive about it - which seems odd. LOOK WHO'S TELLING ME THIS!!!!!!!!! YOU know you did everything you could to produce something worthwhile, so why do you let people get to you? ONLY SOME PEOPLE. I REACT WELL TO CONSIDERED CONSTRUCTIVE HELPFUL COMMENTS. YOU CAN ASK 2,000 QUEEN FANS THAT COME AND TALK TO ME AT CONVENTIONS. THEY'LL CONFIRM IT. BUT PEOPLE WHO PHRASE THINGS LIKE YOU DO, JUST GET MY BACK UP AND THEN YOU GET ALL ARSY WHEN I REACT IN A SIMILAT TONE TO YOU. I SIMPLY TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE SAME LANGUAGE THEY BEST UNDERSTAND - I.E, IN THE SAME WAY THEY TALK TO ME. NO MORE, OR LESS. IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET GURU PERSON. I'M NOT A MAT FOR YOU TO WALK ALL OVER. I GIVE AS GOOD AS I GET. Although I am unpublished, if I produce a piece of work and it gets criticised later, I have to take it on the chin - AND SO DO I, MOST OF THEM TIME. NOT ALL OF THE TIME. I certainly wouldn't last long if I used the "I don't see you doing any better" line upon which you frequently fall back. BUT IT'S SO VERY VERY TRUE GURU. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT. THEY TAKE THE PISS OUT OF ME AND MY WORK, BUT THEN WHEN YOU QUESTION THEM, YOU FIND THAT THEY'RE JUST A LAZY WHINGING MOANING SOD THAT'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING OF USE TO MAN OR BEAST. IT'S EASY TO BE THAT PERSON. Hmmm, this reads more like a rant than I intended. Sorry. The FM box is great. Queen Live was a really useful book to me. But its author is suprisingly thin-skinned...THIS IS A FAIR COMMENT. YOU ARE CAPABLE OF IT THEN!!!! BUT ACTUALLY, I HAVE A THICK SKIN. I REACT, AS YOU KNOW, TO PROBABLY 1 COMMENT IN 3 OR 4 THOUSAND THAT ARE AIMED AT ME. I AM HAPPY TO HEAR CRITIQUES OF MY WORK. I WELCOME IT. I ACTIVELY INVITE COMMETS ABOUT THE STORIES I WRITE, GOOD AND BAD, ALWAYS CONSTRUCTIVE, AND THAT'S GREAT. ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME WELL, WOULD TELL YOU THIS. BUT SOMETIMES, MAYBE 3 TIMES A YEAR, IF THAT, I WILL COME BACK AT SOMEONE WHO IS AGAIN HAVING A DIG AT ME, BUT WITH VIRTUALLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS ON THE INSIDE. YOU THINK IT'S PATRONISING, GURU, BUT IT IS THE PLAIN TRUTH. UNTIL YOU WORK ON SUCH A MAMMOTH TASK AS THAT FM BOX, HOW COULD YOU HAVE EVEN THE VAGUEST IDEA HOW IT WORKS????? IT'S THE SAME WITH ANY JOB YOU (OR I) KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I FEEL JUSTIFIED IN HAVING MY SAY IF PEOPLE, SUCH AS YOU, THINK YOU KNOW VARIOUS THINGS SO VERY WELL, WHEN YOU CLEARLY DON'T - AND WHEN THAT LACK OF INSIGHT STILL DOESN'T STOP YOU GUESSING AND SURMISING THINGS, WHICH ARE USUALLY FAR FROM THE REALITY. |
| Pim Derks 21.07.2008 13:09 |
Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet. |
| Queen Archivist 21.07.2008 13:21 |
Pim Derks wrote: Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet.GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!! |
| Holly2003 21.07.2008 13:56 |
Queen Archivist wrote:Another public relations disaster from Queen Productions' unofficial representative to the fans.Pim Derks wrote: Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet.GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!! |
| Micrówave 21.07.2008 14:00 |
Greg- I would certainly purchase Phill's idea. Are there enough tracks to open the Freddie creative department again? I would certainly want "your guys" working on it rather than the clowns who currently produce his re-issued material. |
| Benn 21.07.2008 14:21 |
Holly 2003, re: >Another public relations disaster from Queen Productions' unofficial representative to the fans. Absolutely - the "Official" archivist goes hell for leather in reaching out. Instead of using one of his rare appearances ont his incredibly wide reaching website to educate and inform, he simply comes on here, gives himself a big slap on the back for helping out on a release that is generally regarded as being pretty topnotch anyhow and then jumps on the backs of anyone daring to "take the rise" or to question what he's posted. In many ways, we'd all be better off if he didn't bother to post here at all and just appeared at those incredibly well attended fan conventions and put his name to sleeve notes of re-re-re-issues. No one would then have the excuse of expecting anything from him and he could spend all his time impressing his convention-goers with his expertise. |
| john bodega 21.07.2008 14:35 |
Queen Archivist wrote: GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!!Hahahaha. This man gets paid. I like QP more now. |
| Negative Creep 21.07.2008 15:33 |
Greg - you have received production credits on a number of Freddie recordings. How so? You weren't involved in the sessions nor did you mix them? Could you please explain in what shape or form you produced any material where the only involvement you presumably had was archiving them and picking them out as releasable?? |
| CM 21.07.2008 16:22 |
Dear All I would say Greg just wants to make clear that his part of the job was something hard. That's all. We have to understand that every step, every person involved in what we finally is released IS important. We needed Freddie first, we needed the musicians, we needed the producers and sound-mixers, we needed the phographers and the guy in charge of the desing of the product, we needed the guys in charge of looking for the tapes, we needed Greg, his comments and notes for this, and the people who had some more information about the recordings. You can be with Greg or not about many things, but in this case, something well done is always good, and FM box set is even better. I'm sure the Victory track and the Time musical recording will be out there some day. Will it take 10 years, maybe 30? We dont know. I hope Greg tells us something if he can. |
| The Fake Greg Brooks 21.07.2008 16:26 |
Actually, I was the one who told Freddie which songs to release and which I could later release as the lost Freddie gold. PRODUCTION? You don't know the meaning of the word. When Queen asks, I PRODUCE... AND SOMETIMES IN ALL CAPS, YES. Let me take a minute to remind everyone how great I am. If not for me, you wouldn't have the Queen Live book, much of which I researched on Queenzone, BUT NEVER MIND THAT. I put it together and numbered the pages, even included an index. When have any of you ever included an index? THAT'S RIGHT, NEVER. Side note: Lester's book is so backwards, he put the index in the back!! What a crock. But back to me. It's because of me, you'll get to see every Queen sew on patch ever made in full stunning glory. Who else is going to give you that? Brian? NO Roger? NO Freddie? Umm NO John? NO, your ol' pal Greg? WHY OF COURSE. By the way, if anyone knows of a good place to get a karate outfit, could you please email me? Of course, I would need a black belt. |
| Pim Derks 21.07.2008 16:52 |
Queen Archivist wrote: GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!!I see you found the CAPS LOCK button and turned it off again. Good boy. * pats Breg Grooks on the back * |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.07.2008 06:56 |
Queen Archivist wrote:Dear Greg,Pim Derks wrote: Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet.GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!! Just one question (and, contrary to my usual standards, I mean nothing by it, and it is totally unrelated to the flaming above): When you post on QZ, are you officially representing Queen Productions (taking into consideration your nickname), or are you posting unofficially, non-related to your job? |
| Rick 22.07.2008 08:12 |
Greg, no answer to my question on the previous page? Bummer. Oh well, opening topics about karate in the wrong section is indeed a way to get attention, I guess. Oh, crickey, I forgot the magical words: the FM box is unfuckingbelievable great! |
| john bodega 22.07.2008 15:55 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: Dear Greg, Just one question (and, contrary to my usual standards, I mean nothing by it, and it is totally unrelated to the flaming above): When you post on QZ, are you officially representing Queen Productions (taking into consideration your nickname), or are you posting unofficially, non-related to your job?My guess is that he posts unofficially. It's no different than my plumber getting a Queenzone account, I guess, and telling me I'm a stupid cunt for using so much toilet paper and not really appreciating his work. |
| Pim Derks 22.07.2008 17:29 |
I wonder if your plumber is going to post on the internet almost a decade after he fixed your toilet that he did such a good job. |
| Holly2003 22.07.2008 18:19 |
Pim Derks wrote: I wonder if your plumber is going to post on the internet almost a decade after he fixed your toilet that he did such a good job.I wonder if that plumber has access to the Queen vault but all he wants to do is talk shite. |
| Pim Derks 23.07.2008 01:19 |
Seeing that no Queen-related archival release has been put out since 2004, chances are your plumber actually IS Breg Grooks. |
| john bodega 23.07.2008 02:13 |
Pim Derks wrote: I wonder if your plumber is going to post on the internet almost a decade after he fixed your toilet that he did such a good job.Well.... Greg Brooks really IS a plumber. Going through other peoples shit all day! Haha. |
| Sunshine__123456 23.07.2008 04:45 |
Queen Archivist wrote:Truly unbelievable...Pim Derks wrote: Funny that someone who has written a lot of sleeve-notes to various cd's/boxsets can't make a single readable post on the Internet.GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks. Is that readable enough for you!! Greg, don't let yourself so intimidated by a bunch of people on the internet. Does Queen know you are expressing yourself like this to people that keep the legend of Queen alive? That are faithful? I think it is a shame, if you were my employee I'd fire you immedeately. |
| Micrówave 23.07.2008 10:44 |
I heard Paul Rodgers wants nothing to do with him. |
| cmsdrums 24.07.2008 03:28 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I wish I had Pink Floyd, Kate Bush, Beatles, Clapton boxes on a parallel with the FM Solo box... compiled with genuine love and affection and meticulous care, and covering SO much ground never ever covered before.And I wish I had a Queen one!!!! Yes the FM box is great, but why the need for all the self congratulating? Yes, you ALL spent ages doing the best job you could - nothing more and nothing less than you were paid to do I imagine! In my work I do my job to the best I can do, but if when it is checked my boss finds a mistake it is pointed out. I can't turn around and say "ah, but I got this/that bit right". I have to say "yes I did get that wrong and I shouldn't have". |
| Penetration_Guru 24.07.2008 15:58 |
I need to work on my written communication, as I was trying to be far more reasonable than I clearly came across. |
| YourValentine 24.07.2008 17:21 |
Well, Mylord, I think you sounded reasonable for everybody here except the Queen Archivist who needed to exercise his CAPS again :-) |
| Penetration_Guru 25.07.2008 02:39 |
Interesting point - I don't usually have difficulty making myself understood. Maybe I was having an off day. Apologies, Greg. |
| thomasquinn 32989 25.07.2008 11:23 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Agreed, and LOL @ the Pim Derks analogy, but Greg speaks in an authorative voice on this forum. I am quite alright with that, considering it's his job to know, I'm just wondering if I can take statements by Greg Brooks on QZ as official (and I'm not referring to FLAMINGS by Greg Brooks).ThomasQuinn wrote: Dear Greg, Just one question (and, contrary to my usual standards, I mean nothing by it, and it is totally unrelated to the flaming above): When you post on QZ, are you officially representing Queen Productions (taking into consideration your nickname), or are you posting unofficially, non-related to your job?My guess is that he posts unofficially. It's no different than my plumber getting a Queenzone account, I guess, and telling me I'm a stupid cunt for using so much toilet paper and not really appreciating his work. |
| FriedChicken 30.07.2008 10:30 |
"I wish I had Pink Floyd, Kate Bush, Beatles, Clapton boxes on a parallel with the FM Solo box... " Yeah, I wish there was a decent Beatles boxset.. We all know that mammoth Anthology box was a piece of crap |
| Queen Archivist 30.07.2008 11:07 |
GO FUCK YOURSELF Dim Perks.
Is that readable enough for you!!
Truly unbelievable...
Greg, don't let yourself so intimidated by a bunch of people on the internet. Does Queen know you are expressing yourself like this to people that keep the legend of Queen alive? That are faithful? I think it is a shame, if you were my employee I'd fire you immedeately.
DEAREST DIM PERKS. IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS... WHICH HAVE IN FACT ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED MANY MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS... SNOOZE SNOOZE, FIGHT TO KEEP MY EYES OPEN... YES, QPL ARE AWARE I AM EXPRESSING MYSELF THE WAY I AM. BECAUSE, LIKE YOU, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET AND CAN READ TOO. VERY WELL IN FACT... EVEN JOINED UP LETTERS AND LONG WORDS. THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE OF SEEING MY 'CONTRIBUTIONS' HERE. JUST LIKE YOU ARE. YES YES YES. AND... JUST IN CASE... CRETINS LIKE YOU ARE FOREVER WRITING TO SAY... "HEY QUEEN, GUESS WHAT THAT NASTY GREG BROOKS SAID ON MOANZONE... AND HE USED BAD LANGUAGE IN YOUR NAME TOO, SO EVERYONE WILL THINK THAT HIS OPINIONS MUST BE REPRESENTATIVE OF QUEEN'S TOO. BECAUSE WE AT QUEENZONE SEEM TO ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING GB SAYS ARE VIEWS HELD BY QUEEN AS WELL." NO. YOU FOOLISH CHAP. GREG BROOKS' OPINIONS, VIEWS, EXPRESSIONS, ARE HIS AND HIS ALONE. THEY DO NOT EXPRESS THE OPINION OF QUEEN OR ITS MEMBERS OR MANAGEMENT. NO MORE THAN STEVE WRIGHT OR TERRY WOGAN'S VIEWS MIRROR THOSE OF BBC RADIO 2. ONLY A DICKHEAD WOULD THINK OTHERWISE. THEY CAN FIND MY WORDS OF EXPRESSION AT ANY POINT, JUST LIKE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN. I THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE VERY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, PAL. APPARENTLY NOT. THE FACT IS... THEY DON'T LOOK HERE. WHY WOULD THEY? WHAT ON EARTH WOULD THEY WANT TO COME HERE FOR?? NOW THEN, YOU DIM PERKY PERSON, WHEN YOU SAY.... "people that keep the legend of Queen alive" REMEMBER THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ON QZ ARE NOT AT ALL MAJOR QUEEN FANS, AS IS CLEARLY EVIDENT. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE - IT'S NO SECRET AT ALL - THAT CLEARLY HAVE LITTLE AFFECTION FOR QUEEN OR SOME (OR MOST) OF THE RELATED PRODUCT. SO, YOUR BLANKET GENERALISATION IS WAY OFF THE MARK. "people that keep the legend of Queen alive"... INDEED!!! YOU DO MAKE ME LAUGH. YEAH RIGHT!!!! AS IF. "That are faithful." HAVE A WORD WITH YOUR SILLY SELF. YOU'RE LLIVING IN A UTOPIAN-TYPE DREAM WORLD. YOU SHOULD READ WHAT SOME QZ-ERS SAY ABOUT FREDDIE AND BRIAN AND QUEEN ON THIS SITE. MUCH OF IT IS OUTRIGHT OFFENSIVE AND LIBELOUS. PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU'VE NOT NOTICED THIS BEFORE. SOME OF THE VILE THINGS I'VE SEEN ON HERE ABOUT FREDDIE AND HIS PAST, HIS LOVERS, HIS PRIVATE LIFE, HAVE BEEN AN ABOMINATION... REALLY NASTY HORRIBLE STUFF, THAT EVEN UPSET CERTAIN QZ-ERS. SO GET IT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR GOODNESS SAKE. MY RESPONSE OF 'GO FUCK YOURSELF', TO AN IDIOT WHO OBSERVED THAT I COULDN'T OR WASN'T MAKING MYSELF CLEAR, WAS REASONABLE IT SEEMS TO ME, AND IT FURTHER PALES INTO NOTHINGNESS IN COMPARISON WITH MANY OF THE NASTY FREDDIE COMMENTS WE'VE ALL BEEN APPALLED TO READ HERE IN THE PAST (AND PROBABLY CURRENTLY TOO). SO DO PLEASE KEEP IT IN BALANCE PERKY. THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT AIN'T IT NOT. THAT'S BAD GRAMMAR I KNOW, BUT NOT WORTHY OF A NOTE FROM YOU TO JIM BEACH I THINK. WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think it is a shame... LISTEN DIM PINKY & PERKY FAN... QPL REALISE THAT I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN WORDS AND EXPRESSIONS. UNLIKE YOU, THEY LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD. THIS IS STILL, JUST ABOUT, A FREE COUNTRY WHERE FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION STILL PROSPERS. SO I CAN CALL YOU AN ANNOYING PROVOCATIVE TURD IF I LIKE, AND NOT BE IN FEAR OF GETTING THE SACK LIKE I WOULD IF, APPARENTLY, I DARED TO SPEAK MY MIND OPENLY IF I WORKED FOR YOU. THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, SIR, IN ZIMBABWE RIGHT NOW, THAT ACTIVELY SEEK TO SILENCE PEOPLE, STOP THEM EXPRESSING THEIR FREE THOUGHTS. STOP THEM HAVING THEIR SAY, THEIR VOTE. "if you were my employee I'd fire you immedeately" I DON'T DOUBT IT, YOU SMALL MINDED MORON. YOU'VE SPELT IMMEDIATELY WRONG BY THE WAY. IF YOU WERE MY EMPLOYEE AND YOU SPELLED SOMETHING WRONG, OR EXPRESSED AN OPINION I DIDN'T AGREE WITH... I WOULD NOT SACK YOU 'IMMEDEATELY' OR IMMEDIATELY, OR ANYTHING ELSE. I'D RECOGNISE THAT YOU SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND WITHOUT FEAR OF LOSING YOUR JOB. I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU... AND MORE SO FOR THE POOR PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO HAVE TO CONSTANTLY TREAD ON EGGSHELLS LEST THEY SHOULD DISAGGREE WITH YOU AND BE SACKED. THEY CANNOT FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO EXPRESS THEIR TRUE FEELINGS, BECAUSE FOOLS LIKE YOU COME DOWN HARD ON ANYTHING THAT COUNTERS YOUR OWN INFLEXIBLE OPINION. SMALL-MINDED IS JUST THE TIP OF THAT NASTY ICEBERG. |
| Pim Derks 30.07.2008 11:55 |
Greg, I actually gave you a compliment about your work on the FM boxset and the IMO even better War of the Worlds boxset. But hey - you only read/respond to what's negative about you and your work. Your mum and dad must be sooo proud of their son. |
| pogor1 30.07.2008 12:04 |
Hello! 2009 is Live Killers anniversary,do you remember? Maybe some news about "Live killers Box Set"? |
| inu-liger 30.07.2008 20:47 |
Pim Derks wrote: Your mum and dad must be sooo proud of their son.Taking it to a personal level now, are we? Seems you guys really can't have a go at him without trying to bring his family into it. Pathetic. Greg is really a nice guy. I've talked to him several times, and to be honest, I think he's quite right about a lot of things really. This board is a fucking joke. |
| john bodega 31.07.2008 02:52 |
inu-liger wrote: Greg is really a nice guy. I've talked to him several times, and to be honest, I think he's quite right about a lot of things really. This board is a fucking joke.I'd go so far as to say Greg Brooks is the punch-line. This is something I've had to accept myself; no matter what we're like in real life, we have control over how we represent ourselves on the internet. If you say something on a forum either out of frustration, or to get a reaction, or with a view to saying something absurd that no one should take seriously, you will have to acknowledge that someone will take it seriously, and that they will form an impression of you. You say he's a nice guy in real life? That may be, but I wouldn't blame anyone for a minute if they didn't believe you. He has control over how he represents himself on the internet; if anyone has a problem with him, it's at least 50% his fault. That's how it works for all of us. Me too! Having said all of that... now seriously, why is Greg Brooks still here? I would like to know if anything interesting or informative is going to come from this guy in the near future? He's far too old to be engaging in meaningless Queenzone arguments, surely. Well maybe I can't speak for him, but if I had a job I surely wouldn't be on here so often. |
| Queen Archivist 31.07.2008 20:46 |
Benn wrote: Holly 2003, re: >Another public relations disaster from Queen Productions' unofficial representative to the fans. Absolutely - the "Official" archivist goes hell for leather in reaching out. Instead of using one of his rare appearances ont his incredibly wide reaching website to educate and inform, he simply comes on here, gives himself a big slap on the back for helping out on a release that is generally regarded as being pretty topnotch anyhow and then jumps on the backs of anyone daring to "take the rise" or to question what he's posted. In many ways, we'd all be better off if he didn't bother to post here at all and just appeared at those incredibly well attended fan conventions and put his name to sleeve notes of re-re-re-issues. No one would then have the excuse of expecting anything from him and he could spend all his time impressing his convention-goers with his expertise.Benn... you're sounding more than a tad bitter there. |
| Queen Archivist 31.07.2008 20:49 |
Negative Creep wrote: Greg - you have received production credits on a number of Freddie recordings. How so? You weren't involved in the sessions nor did you mix them? Could you please explain in what shape or form you produced any material where the only involvement you presumably had was archiving them and picking them out as releasable??No. I don't believe I have ever been credited as having Produced or Mixed any Freddie track - for the reasons you state. I just found the material and suggested stuff. You don't like me much, do you... you little beasty! |
| Queen Archivist 31.07.2008 20:54 |
Dear Greg,
Just one question (and, contrary to my usual standards, I mean nothing by it, and it is totally unrelated to the flaming above):
When you post on QZ, are you officially representing Queen Productions (taking into consideration your nickname), or are you posting unofficially, non-related to your job?
GB REPLY... Goodness me, Thomas. I honestly have stated this a LOT of times... my comments are my own. DO NOT represent Queen or its members or management. See my current thread in which I explain this more fully. My opinions expressed here are just mine. Regards GB |
| Queen Archivist 31.07.2008 20:58 |
inu-liger wrote:I agree with you inu-liger. I'm a very nice bloke. Everyone says so - that meets me. Really lovable, I am.Pim Derks wrote: Your mum and dad must be sooo proud of their son.Taking it to a personal level now, are we? Seems you guys really can't have a go at him without trying to bring his family into it. Pathetic. Greg is really a nice guy. I've talked to him several times, and to be honest, I think he's quite right about a lot of things really. This board is a fucking joke. |
| Queen Archivist 31.07.2008 21:03 |
Pim Derks wrote: Greg, I actually gave you a compliment about your work on the FM boxset and the IMO even better War of the Worlds boxset. I MISSED THAT. SORRY. THEY ARE SO RARE HERE, I OVERLOOKED IT. But hey - you only read/respond to what's negative about you and your work. Your mum and dad must be sooo proud of their son.I'M AN ORPHAN. |
| john bodega 31.07.2008 22:47 |
Maybe I've asked this before; but we have the word 'orphan' to describe a child without parents. Is there a word for when a parent loses their child or children? I don't think I've heard it used before. |
| inu-liger 01.08.2008 01:35 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Maybe I've asked this before; but we have the word 'orphan' to describe a child without parents. Is there a word for when a parent loses their child or children? I don't think I've heard it used before.Well, I'm not sure about that. I know, if a person loses their spouse, they become a widow (female) or widower (male). And people are orphaned indeed if they lose their parents. But for parents losing their child? You've got me there. Maybe childless? |
| inu-liger 01.08.2008 01:49 |
Queen Archivist wrote::-)inu-liger wrote:I agree with you inu-liger. I'm a very nice bloke. Everyone says so - that meets me. Really lovable, I am.Pim Derks wrote: Your mum and dad must be sooo proud of their son.Taking it to a personal level now, are we? Seems you guys really can't have a go at him without trying to bring his family into it. Pathetic. Greg is really a nice guy. I've talked to him several times, and to be honest, I think he's quite right about a lot of things really. This board is a fucking joke. Well minus the meet part, since I've yet to travel to the UK (since I haven't had a passport since about 6 years of age or so), or you've yet to come to Edmonton, I can't quite yet say I've met you in person. But you honestly are very pleasant and delightful to speak to on the telephone :-) Totally nothing like people here make you out to be...."bitter", "angry", etc etc.....anything negative they can throw at you. I just think people are like that to you cos they are fearful of anyone who is linked DIRECTLY to the band that they are (so-called) fans of, and so they must have a need to bully you. Shame really. I'm sure Brian would have a HUGE headache rather than loads of pleasure if he were involved in this messageboard directly. This board, after all, also only represents a minority of Queen fans worldwide really. And the people here tend to become like each other after joining, to the point where we can't even have a really differing opinion on certain subjects we WANT to discuss without purists or stepfords *COUGH COUGH* injecting their doctrinal beliefs on the opinional subjects. I have YET to see a Q+PR thread that DOESN'T have anti-PR / pro-Freddie ("classic lineup") spam shite in it. Like those attempts at appreciation threads that only end up getting ruined by those with their fucking purist attitudes. Am going to 'pull a Greg' here for a moment... FREDDIE DIED AND HE ISN'T GOING TO RISE AGAIN LIKE FUCKING JESUS H CHRIST. OH WAIT, JESUS IS STILL DEAD, AND 2000+ YEARS LATER, HIS WORSHI....ER SHEEP ARE STILL BELIEVING AND SAYING HE WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN SOON. YEAH FUCKING RIGHT. GET WIT THE TIMES PEOPLE. PUT DOWN THAT BEST-SELLING BEDTIME FICTION NOVEL CALLED "THE BIBLE" AND GET A REAL JOB OR DO SOMETHING THAT'S OF *REAL* ENTERTAINMENT, SIGNIFICANCE AND VALUE. LIKEWISE QUEEN "FANS". LEARN TO ACCEPT BRIAN AND ROGER's WISHES AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. IF THEY WANT TO BE QUEEN, LET THEM BE QUEEN. CHECK YOUR PURIST & STEPFORD ATTITUDES AT THE DOOR. RESPECT EVERYONE ELSE THAT TRULY SUPPORTS QUEEN AND PAUL RODGERS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, FINE, BUT STOP FORCING YOUR DOCTRINAL BELIEFS DOWN OUR THROATS. GO ELSEWHERE OR START YOUR OWN WEB BOARD FOR YOUR SHIT, FUCKING MOANZONERS. /rant off |
| john bodega 01.08.2008 02:36 |
Beautiful - I'm pretty sure that's one of the first Q+PR related posts in this thread, and it contains a stanza complaining about Q+PR spam. I think the guy that designed the Pinto should be posting here. He'd be in excellent company. |
| inu-liger 01.08.2008 02:53 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Beautiful - I'm pretty sure that's one of the first Q+PR related posts in this thread, and it contains a stanza complaining about Q+PR spam. I think the guy that designed the Pinto should be posting here. He'd be in excellent company.WTF is a Pinto? And again, you don't fully pay attention to what someone says, and try to twist it to your advantage. Perhaps I am doing this myself, but... I was complaining about purists spamming threads discussing Q+PR. Not about Q+PR threads spamming the board as you imply. MAYBE I SHOULD EXPLAIN MYSELF IN CANADIEN ENGRISH. YOU SPRECKEN ZE KANADIEN?? I'm complaining about people who spam Q+PR posts saying anything cliched like the following, and this has been annoying me for quite some time, and I am just going to be frank and let it all out: "Brian and Roger (with or without John) are NOT Queen" "RIP Freddie Mercury 1991. RIP Queen 1991." "Paul Rodgers sucks" "What if Freddie..." < SHUT UP WITH THE MULTITUDE OF 'WHAT IF' TOPICS, SERIOUSLY. IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING. THAT'S ALL THEY'LL EVER BE, AND *NOTHING MORE*. STOP GETTING YOUR HOPES UP THAT IT'LL MAGICALLY BECOME REALITY "What would the Miracle/Innuendo tour setlists..." < AGAIN, NOT EVER GOING TO BE A REALITY Anything "Mike should sing for Queen" < DO NOT WANT. DO NOT WANT IMITATORS OR IMPOSTERS. WANT SOMETHING MORE ORIGINAL LIKE PAUL RODGERS OR WHOEVER BRIAN AND ROGER FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH. IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOMETHING THAT *REPLICATES* THE OLD FREDDIE EXPERIENCE, WITH OPTIONAL COSTUMES TO BOOT, GO SEE A COVER ACT LIKE "QUEEN - IT'S A KINDA MAGIC". THAT'S AS CLOSE AS YOU'LL EVER GET. (Good show btw :-) "Freddie should never have been replaced" < THEY HAVE SAID TIME AGAIN AND AGAIN, AD NAUSEUM THAT PAUL RODGERS IS *NOT* REPLACING FREDDIE. HE IS JUST STEPPING TO FILL IN FOR HIM, BUT HE IS NOT OFFICIALLY THEIR LEAD SINGER AS A MEMBER *OF* QUEEN. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ADD HIS NAME SEPARATELY, HENCE "+ PAUL RODGERS"??? THEY KNOW DAMN WELL THAT WOULD NOT SIT WELL WITH A SELECT FEW THE MAJORITY BEING THE LOT OF YOU. PERSONALLY, I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT THEY DECIDE ABOUT THE NAME. |
| john bodega 01.08.2008 14:56 |
inu-liger wrote: WTF is a Pinto?link There. inu-liger wrote: I was complaining about purists spamming threads discussing Q+PR. Not about Q+PR threads spamming the board as you imply.It wasn't the subject matter I was really talking about. It's the fact that you were complaining at all. What are the people you speak of doing? Complaining. I guess in a sense I am almost complaining too now, but really... it has to end somewhere. You could be the one to break the chain of fruitless complaints. |
| Benn 01.08.2008 16:03 |
Greg, re: >Benn... you're sounding more than a tad bitter there. How do you discern bitterness from that post? What would I be bitter about? You don't contribute anything that is in direct relation to your "Official Archivist" position other than requests for "stuff" for your book. There's no two way exchange. You did a decent effort on the live video archive "thing", but since.....nowt. |
| Sunshine__123456 01.08.2008 19:21 |
Greg, I was the one who wrote that you should be fired when working for Queen and insulting them like you do now, it was not Pim Derks. Anyway, i think you need vacation, a fresh breath of air and don't go into discussion with people who are fucking it up for the ones that are truly interested. The respect for you is gone in this way. I want to hear positive things from my favourite band, not shouting and verbal aggression. Come on Greg, if you are such a sweetheart you can do better than this. Of course you represent QPL, because you give us information on this board about what is going to be released in the future, unreleased track information etc. I expect to talk with a professional here when he is working for the band. If somebody is attacking you for whatever reason, handle it outside of those threads. You are making a true fool of yourself like this. Of course there is critics because everybody has an opinion. And you will never satisfy everybody, just like Queen can never do with their setlists. I think it is also very childish to talk about a small spelling mistake. Most of the fans don't have English as their mother language. See how perfect you can write in any other language than your mother language. You probably can't. So stop that. Why do you come here if it is so bad, you dont have anything to look for. You can inform us as a gesture and we appreciate that, but why use this negative energy, this I can not understand. |
| Phoenix501 02.08.2008 00:56 |
Sorry to get involved here. I've been on and off this site for many years now but rarely post. I'm sorry QueenArchivist, I have respect for the great work on FM set, it is my favourite Queen related product, but I'm really failing to understand why you decided to start the last few posts? You seemed quite controlled in many other threads, but you're sadly throwing any composure away. Why do you feel the need to so blatantly pat yourself on the back? I'm being unbiased here, I don't know anyone on this board or you, but you really come across as desperate in your last few posts here. Desperate that everyone knows that it's you who got Queen Archivist and not them! Desperate like a kid would boast to his classmates that he got a job that they all really wished they got! Rubbing it in with such statements as, "dave clark phoned me to discuss...", "i know Brian wouldn't visit this site..." - Well done. And then you had the nerve to mention those other guys who worked hard on the FM box set... as if saying attack me and you're attacking them! Well no, because they haven't come here to be involved and they would probably find some of the things you're saying rather pathetic and childish. After insulting one member quite rudely you then try and defend yourself by saying Brain May and Roger Taylor know that you speak your mind in this way and that they'd never come here. I think they'd be embarrased for you for getting yourself into such a dilemma where your asking people if they'd met you and if they liked you? And I think if you've come here called "queen Archivist"... which is your job for Queen Productions... and speak about your work on the Freddie Mercury Box set and upcoming Queen box set... then you clearly are speaking in sense as a company employee. So telling a fan to "go fuck yourself", would be just as bad as say a bank clerk telling a customer to fuck off while wearing the banks uniform. In this instance it is the bank that would be penalised and looked upon as the bad guy and I'm sure the bank manager wouldn't be totally happy with his employee acting like that to a customer. You felt that because someone negatively questions a product that you were involved in - which remember THEY BOUGHT WITH THEIR CASH - you had to go to these lengths to persuade them otherwise. I bought the FM box set. I love it. If I didn't like a certain part of it, I have the right to ask questions surely? This is what has happened here. Someone thought it didn't provide everything that they expected out of your product...so be grown up about it and don't go in a huff... where is your customer service? And another thing... well done mentioning those really bad things written on this forum about Freddie or the band! To me that is really clutching at straws. It's like trying to hide the fact that IF the band ever looked here they wouldn't be interested in the neediness of your posts, but instead, of all those bad things written about Freddie which they've probably heard a million times before and accept that such wild rumours or views will always be said about those in the public eye. I reckon they would though be interested on how you are openly abusing your position and trying to oddly make everyone either jealous of your job or acknowledge that you got it and they didn't. You freely came here as Queen Archivist and not Greg Brooks, so you do represent the position you have FOR Queen, thus what you say good or bad, is indirectly associated. Please just go back to discussing the Queen material you are directly involved with (if you so wish too, nobody ever forced you, you came here!) or come here as Greg Brooks (or other alias) and get involved in ridiculous childish arguments. Bare in mind QA, this is just how I feel. I'm by no means guaranteed to be correct about any of what I say, it is just how I have read into your posts and to why you may have written them. I'd like to think you may get something constructive out of what I've contributed... or not. |
| oh-ja 08.08.2008 17:14 |
what a shame ... such great work, e.g. the fm box set ... but the man is sick, as is his caps lock ... |
| Queen Archivist 09.08.2008 10:34 |
I am sick. I MEAN... I AM SICK! |
| Sunshine__123456 10.08.2008 06:20 |
I don't believe you are the Greg Brooks that works for Queen Productions. I'll write Brian an email to check it out.. This simply can not be true... |
| Benn 10.08.2008 06:31 |
You'll get no response at all. |
| thomasquinn 32989 10.08.2008 06:45 |
sunshine__123456 wrote: I don't believe you are the Greg Brooks that works for Queen Productions. I'll write Brian an email to check it out.. This simply can not be true...A) Brian won't get your e-mail; his staff only pass on flattering ones, and those that happen to mention something Brian is interested in at the time (and that, apparently, changes four times a day). B) This is the real Greg Brooks. |
| Sunshine__123456 10.08.2008 09:15 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Yeah probably you're right but in the case that he is the real Greg Brooks, he should be so ashamed of himself, how pathetic can someone be?sunshine__123456 wrote: I don't believe you are the Greg Brooks that works for Queen Productions. I'll write Brian an email to check it out.. This simply can not be true...A) Brian won't get your e-mail; his staff only pass on flattering ones, and those that happen to mention something Brian is interested in at the time (and that, apparently, changes four times a day). B) This is the real Greg Brooks. |
| Benn 10.08.2008 09:35 |
They're mounting up Greggy Boy - with each and every one of your posts........ Keep 'em coming chap! |