| Saif 14.07.2008 01:34 |
I never did. I mean, I just listened to Queen and enjoyed their music. I never realized that he was Indian/Parsi until someone pointed it out to me. Until then, he was one of the whitest guys I knew of. A lot of things he did were stereotypically "white" things. I'm Indian and Freddie doesn't look like any Indian I've ever seen. Even the fairest Indians I've met aren't as pale as Freddie or Kashmira. That's why I didn't believe it at first. His mom looks Indian though. If anyone told me to guess though, I would probably say he was Romani(gypsy) kinda like Charlie Chaplin but he definitely doesn't look Indian.... |
| john bodega 14.07.2008 02:41 |
Oh, Freddie was a total jigaboo. |
| Winter Land Man 14.07.2008 05:42 |
Saif wrote: I never did. I mean, I just listened to Queen and enjoyed their music. I never realized that he was Indian/Parsi until someone pointed it out to me. Until then, he was one of the whitest guys I knew of. A lot of things he did were stereotypically "white" things. I'm Indian and Freddie doesn't look like any Indian I've ever seen. Even the fairest Indians I've met aren't as pale as Freddie or Kashmira. That's why I didn't believe it at first. His mom looks Indian though. If anyone told me to guess though, I would probably say he was Romani(gypsy) kinda like Charlie Chaplin but he definitely doesn't look Indian....I've been a Queen fan since like 1996 or before, and I didn't realize it until like late 2001. I even watched VH1 Legends back in like '99 or 2000 or whenever it came out. And I didn't even pay attention to his upbringing on there, so I didn't learn about it then. I learned it on QZ or somewhere. I always thought it strange, that he was darker when he was younger, yet again, he did wear a lot of makeup in all Queen concerts and all music videos, then there's the lights on the band, etc. But I know a guy from Pakistan and he could tell Freddie was an Indian of some sort. |
| Treasure Moment 14.07.2008 05:56 |
Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian. |
| FriedChicken 14.07.2008 05:58 |
I also never knew he was indian. Cause I never saw him with curry or owning a way too expensive supermarket "There 44p stamps are 1.35 each, darling. Thank you, come again *winks*" |
| thomasquinn 32989 14.07.2008 06:36 |
Saif wrote: I never did. I mean, I just listened to Queen and enjoyed their music. I never realized that he was Indian/Parsi until someone pointed it out to me. Until then, he was one of the whitest guys I knew of. A lot of things he did were stereotypically "white" things. I'm Indian and Freddie doesn't look like any Indian I've ever seen. Even the fairest Indians I've met aren't as pale as Freddie or Kashmira. That's why I didn't believe it at first. His mom looks Indian though. If anyone told me to guess though, I would probably say he was Romani(gypsy) kinda like Charlie Chaplin but he definitely doesn't look Indian....What the hell does it matter? |
| Ms. Rebel 14.07.2008 06:50 |
^Exactly. Even if Freddie was little green alien, I would still enjoy listening his music. He's simply the best. And please don't compare Freddie with other wannabes, Mika ad other shit-heads. His voice and charisma are unique. =) |
| anthony mallan 14.07.2008 07:24 |
rock culturally speaking, those parts of the world where freddie hailed from or lived, are beyond the backwaters, so where the bloody hell did faroukh get his talent/genius. it never ceases to amaze me,nobody had the right to be that good, especially considering his roots. truly a legend |
| john bodega 14.07.2008 07:26 |
He also got the idea for being Iranian from Treasure Moment. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 14.07.2008 07:50 |
Ms. Rebel wrote: Even if Freddie was little green alien, I would still enjoy listening his music.LOL! I just imagined Freddie as a little green alien... Eeeeek. :) |
| Treasure Moment 14.07.2008 09:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: He also got the idea for being Iranian from Treasure Moment.He was iranian and thats a fact. |
| MercuryArts 14.07.2008 10:37 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I'm not disputing that you say his Iranian, but do you have this interview?Zebonka12 wrote: He also got the idea for being Iranian from Treasure Moment.He was iranian and thats a fact. |
| Treasure Moment 14.07.2008 10:46 |
MercuryArts wrote:yesTreasure Moment wrote:I'm not disputing that you say his Iranian, but do you have this interview?Zebonka12 wrote: He also got the idea for being Iranian from Treasure Moment.He was iranian and thats a fact. Here: link 4:10 in the interview he says that he is persian=iranian "íll always walk around like a persian pop n jay" |
| thomasquinn 32989 14.07.2008 10:54 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Look up one word: "Parsi"MercuryArts wrote:yes Here: link 4:10 in the interview he says that he is persian=iranian "íll always walk around like a persian pop n jay"Treasure Moment wrote:I'm not disputing that you say his Iranian, but do you have this interview?Zebonka12 wrote: He also got the idea for being Iranian from Treasure Moment.He was iranian and thats a fact. |
| FriedChicken 14.07.2008 11:29 |
Come on, we live in 2008. We've known for a long time that there is no such thing as 'races' in the human species. Freddie was a Homo Sapiens Sapiens And no, he never said it an interview, but there are no alternatives |
| thomasquinn 32989 14.07.2008 11:37 |
FriedChicken wrote: Come on, we live in 2008. We've known for a long time that there is no such thing as 'races' in the human species. Freddie was a Homo Sapiens SapiensThat all depends on what you mean by "race". Different ethnic groups share common genetic traits not present in other ethnic groups, because different groups have different ancestors, meaning genetic mutations will dominate one group but not another, which, over the course of thousands of years, leads to genetically distinguished groups, sometimes identifiable by traits like skin- or hair-color, and sometimes only different at a DNA-level. The whole problem is dumb people attributing characteristics to the races (see: the entire 19th century; Third Reich; Imperialism; Social Darwinism; etc. etc.), which far supersede genetic differences like the amount of pigment in one's skin. |
| Saif 14.07.2008 11:41 |
I know a few Parsi people who also claim to be Persian like Freddie used to(but they don't represent the general feeling of all Parsis). And when Parsis say they're Persian, they almost always mean to say they're of Persian descent. I've never met any Parsi who has associated themselves with Iran. I had a Parsi girlfriend whose grandparents could speak in Avestan, the liturgical language of Zoroastrianism but they didn't like being called "Iranians". They said "Real Persians are Zoroastrians while Iranians are Muslims". I don't agree with their definition but many Parsis think that way. I don't really care whether anyone considers him Indian, African/Zanzibari or Persian. But saying that he's Iranian is kind of a stretch...well ThomasQuinn is right, it doesn't matter what ethnic group he belonged to. He made great music and had the best voice of all time, the only thing even Queen-haters can't argue because it's a fact that should be in the science books. I bet he's reading this from hell/heaven/whatever and thinking we're very silly. I made this thread because I wanted to know if anyone else considered him an average white guy until they found out he wasn't. A dude I know on MSN says that he thinks it's because of the jawline/overbite but it's by no means a common feature among Indians... Good to know I'm not the only one who never suspected. And Anthony Mallan is right...there is like...virtually NO rock scene here in India. It's limited to cult followings of bands like Iron Maiden, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd(they're the most popular here), Deep Purple, Dire Straits and a few other bands. Local bands are few in number and not mainstream. Most people listen to dumb soundtrack/film music. |
| ANAGRAMER 14.07.2008 14:56 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| ANAGRAMER 14.07.2008 15:01 |
ANAGRAMER wrote:Although the Parsis originally emigrated from Persia, most Indian Parsis have lost social or familial ties to Persians. Many do not share language or recent history with them. Over the centuries since the first Zoroastrians arrived in India, the Parsis have integrated themselves into Indian society while simultaneously maintaining their own distinct customs and traditions (and thus ethnic identity). This in turn has given the Parsi community a rather peculiar standing - they are Indians in terms of national affiliation, language and history, but not typically Indian (constituting only 0.006% of the total population) in terms of consanguinity or cultural, behavioural and religious practicesTreasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 14.07.2008 15:12 |
No, but I suspected he wasn't black. |
| Treasure Moment 14.07.2008 16:03 |
ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| Treasure Moment 14.07.2008 17:30 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: No, but I suspected he wasn't black.you SUSPECTED he wasnt black? are you sure your vision is good? lol |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 14.07.2008 18:26 |
I was trying to be funny, dammit! |
| deleted user 14.07.2008 21:45 |
Ms. Rebel wrote: ^Exactly. Even if Freddie was little green alien, I would still enjoy listening his music. =)I agree with this post. Well said! |
| Charlie Brown 14.07.2008 23:41 |
Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset. |
| inu-liger 14.07.2008 23:43 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Better than your transparent visionFreya is quietly judging you. wrote: No, but I suspected he wasn't black.you SUSPECTED he wasnt black? are you sure your vision is good? lol |
| Treasure Moment 15.07.2008 00:20 |
inu-liger wrote:not really, i apparently have better vision because i can see things that you simply cant but is there all the time.Treasure Moment wrote:Better than your transparent visionFreya is quietly judging you. wrote: No, but I suspected he wasn't black.you SUSPECTED he wasnt black? are you sure your vision is good? lol |
| Saif 15.07.2008 00:54 |
Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Yeah, it's true. As I said before, many Parsis still consider themselves Persian, like my ex-girlfriend. |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.07.2008 11:02 |
Treasure Moment wrote:That's like saying schizophrenics think better because there's always at least two of them.inu-liger wrote:not really, i apparently have better vision because i can see things that you simply cant but is there all the time.Treasure Moment wrote:Better than your transparent visionFreya is quietly judging you. wrote: No, but I suspected he wasn't black.you SUSPECTED he wasnt black? are you sure your vision is good? lol |
| thomasquinn 32989 15.07.2008 11:03 |
Treasure Moment wrote:You should. Or would you say George Bush knows best how intelligent he is? Or that the person who can best judge the quality of a book is its author?ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| Micrówave 15.07.2008 12:46 |
Jacob Britt wrote: But I know a guy from Pakistan and he could tell Freddie was an Indian of some sort.THAT is an amazing story. Thanks. |
| gregorsamsa 15.07.2008 12:58 |
"did you ever suspect fred wasn't white"? no, but i suspected he was gay |
| teleman 15.07.2008 14:58 |
Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. |
| Sergei. 15.07.2008 20:35 |
teleman wrote:Don't pay attention to what Danny says. More shit comes out his mouth than out of his ass.Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. |
| Charlie Brown 15.07.2008 21:06 |
teleman wrote:Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. |
| inu-liger 16.07.2008 01:01 |
Charlie Brown wrote:Charlie is actually right.teleman wrote:Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text. A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all. They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there) And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists. I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then. |
| Saif 16.07.2008 01:49 |
inu-liger wrote:I don't know much about Canada myself but I have relatives living there who speak both English and French. Of them, an uncle told me that many Quebecois people don't speak English even if they can. He told me one incident where he was asking a man for directions and the man refused to help unless he asked him in French. That's funny...Charlie Brown wrote:Charlie is actually right. Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text. A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all. They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there) And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists. I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.teleman wrote:Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. |
| john bodega 16.07.2008 06:52 |
Roger used to call Freddie a "dirty black bastard" whenever his mic was off. |
| Daniel Nester 16.07.2008 19:06 |
So funny. |
| john bodega 17.07.2008 03:54 |
Think of this thread as an auction. I'm trying to top the bizzare, stupid bid that the original poster threw down. Sorry. I'm not inclined to take this dope, or his thread, or you, seriously. |
| The Fairy King 17.07.2008 05:17 |
He was human afaik. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.07.2008 07:02 |
inu-liger wrote:True as all that may be, they still don't associate themselves with France. As descended from the Acadian French, they tend to consider themselves as 'true' French, while those guys in France are not. So, Francophone and separatist yes, French, absolutely not.Charlie Brown wrote:Charlie is actually right. Quebecers are very closed people, and have stupid laws I feel violate our constitution somewhat, the one that bugs me the most being that ANY advertisement signs in Quebec MUST have the English text 4 times SMALLER than the French text. A lot of them also speak very minimal or no English at all. They also don't allow yellow butter or margarine (it's white there) And oh god, don't get me started on the fucking separatists. I was living in Quebec when they had the last separatist referendum around 1996. That pissed me off a great deal then.teleman wrote:Hi Teleman, yes what you say is true to a certain degree but their is such a thing as the Bloc Quebecois political party and a separitist movement. Also myself and family and friends have encountered people from Quebec more than once and these folks from Quebec have spoken very little English.Charlie Brown wrote: Many if not most of the French speaking people in Canada seem to identify with France more so than the country they and their ancestors have lived in for centuries. It would seem that Freddie and his family and other members of the Parsi sect have sort of the same mindset.Really? I thought that Quebecois identified with being Quebecois and of those many also associate with being Canadian. Outside of Quebec there are a large number of French speaking people who see themselves as being Canadian(in Northern Ontario, Manitoba and New Brunswick) As for Freddie I never cared what his ancestry was. I just liked his music. |
| Daniel Nester 17.07.2008 09:47 |
Let's put it another way, perhaps different than the OP: Does anyone think it is interesting that Freddie wasn't white? I mean, anyone who read even the most introductory references to Queen would find out that Freddie was "of Persian descent," that he was born in Madagascar and, when he died, his funeral was performed adhering to the Zoroastrian faith. I found out the first two tidbits reading Queen's Greatest Pics as a 12-year-old in 1980! Put another way: Would it be safe to call any fan did who find out that Freddie was not "white" after, say, 1991, as a person who exhibits an almost aggressive lack of curiosity about the biographies of the musicians' music they enjoy? Put still another way: Are there really fans on this board who didn't know Freddie wasn't white after collecting all of their albums, buying a book or two about them, looking them up in a rock encyclopedia or entry on the Internets? Put still another-another way: Are there really fans who do not want to know anything about Freddie Mercury other than his music, as if FM were some kind of god figure about whom we cannot his background, other than his music. I mean, even religious people want to know a bit of bio information about Jesus, Mohammad, Gautama Buddha, Joseph Smith; even those believers try to find out the smallest bits of biographical data about the people they spend their entire life worshiping and praying towards. The answer to that last question-bit is yes, I guess. Well, my long-windedness is done. I'll try to cut back on my coffee intake. |
| Donna13 17.07.2008 11:02 |
Daniel: it is Zanzibar; not Madagascar. Well, if anyone can understand this subject, it would be Saif, so I hope he does some research for us in the future if he becomes interested in it. But I think it is not quite as simple as asking if Freddie was "white". That is because the definition of "white" keeps changing depending on who is talking about it. Is it a scientific "white" as a race classification (which is now considered an obsolete idea)? Or is it "white" by the common person's ability to identify "white" (which has been a definition used by some courts)? Or is it "white" on an employment application (in which case, Freddie may have fallen under the "white" classification in the USA - from what I read)? I would say that the scientific evidence using DNA of where certain peoples migrated from and who they are related to is quite interesting, especially with regards to India, because anthropologists have had theories over the years, and now, by using DNA, it is possible to answer certain mysteries. But I think if you read up on that it does get complicated if you are not familiar with those sorts of things (as I am not). For example, they can trace the male DNA line (going back in time) of the Parsis and the female DNA separately. On the female side, they can see what ethnic groups they mixed their original genetics with. Just a few searches and anybody can read up on this sort of thing. Understanding it would be more difficult (and of course, I do not understand it, therefore even my short summary here may be not quite right). But based on everything I briefly read, you could make the argument that Parsis are "white" and this argument has been made in the courts (in the USA) before. But, I think we are mostly interested in Freddie's very beautiful and rare ethnic characteristics, as we would be with other people who look beautiful in a unique way, such as Sophia Loren, for example, or Angelina Jolie. The pictures of him with the darker skin when he was young - well that would have been from a greater exposure to the sun, obviously. Then when he lived in London, he was less exposed to the sun. That would explain the difference. |
| Daniel Nester 17.07.2008 19:13 |
Right. Zanzibar. And it's in all of the Queen bios, as is that phrase, "of Persian descent." Which yes, is decidedly not any stripe of Caucasian. While it might be interesting to think about what Parsi and Persian descent might mean, it all adds up to Freddie, Farouk, not being any definition of "white" we can come up with. I suppose this is sort of the business we run into when Jewish people say they aren't white. And it's true, in a genetic-ethnic sense; but there's many Jewish people who are completely assimilated into other cultures it might be hard to believe. Maybe that's what this talk of Freddie Bulsara? |
| Stoner 21.08.2008 07:03 |
Yeah. Freddie was an Indian. But the reason he didn't LOOK like most Indians from India is because his ancestry was Persian. So, because I was actually curious enough about Freddie to read up on his background to find out things besides just how many octaves he sang----I looked up Zoroastrianism and Parsis -- well, we know Freddie was a Parsi. And from what I read Parsis typically have the pale olive skin, the dark hair, the full mouth and high cheekbones. Just like Freddie. Freddie looked pale, but you can definitely tell that he wasn't white (I mean like your typical white, swede-looking anglo saxon type person). |
| Holly2003 21.08.2008 07:16 |
There's only one way to find out: dig up his body and remove the skull for scientific analysis. If that is not possible, contact Madame Tussauds for an exact replica taken from the waxwork. Fill the skull full of sand, empty the sand into a measurng bowl and measure the cranial capacity. Then compare the measurements with those of fuzzy wuzzies in the British Museum and, voila, the problem is resolved. Signed, Prince Phillip Duke of Edinburgh |
| Poo, again 21.08.2008 08:56 |
In the USA today, Freddie would have been classified as Asian, not White. In the USA, Arabs are sometimes (always?) considered white, especially Christians, so maybe it's more of a cultural thing there. I think. I'm not sure. Also, I think it's very fascinating that a man from India can look so European. |
| Marcos Napier 21.08.2008 21:37 |
And Zanzibar isn't India either. He might be from indian descend (not exactly - he's just parsi), but he wasn't born in India. |
| Wilki Amieva 22.08.2008 08:06 |
Ms. Rebel wrote: Even if Freddie was little green alien, I would still enjoy listening his music."Hmmm, to fall the hammer is, young Skywalker" |
| -fatty- 2850 22.08.2008 10:52 |
I fail to see how anyone could mistake Freddie for a white man. You only have to look at photographs of him in his younger days to see that he had distinctive negro features. I think that around about 1983 he may have had surgery or some kind of skin tone replacement therapy which altered his appearance to make him look caucasian. If you look at the photograph of him dangling a baby out that hotel room window you can see tha...... Oh hang on, I'm thinking of someone else. fatty. |
| Major Tom 22.08.2008 11:06 |
Did you ever suspect Freddie was in fact a man? |
| StoneColdClassicQueen 22.08.2008 17:19 |
Did you ever suspect Freddie was an alien? Seriously, I didn't care about the race or whatever. The song that really attracted me was You're My Best Friend which is a Deaky song :D So, I didn't care about Freddie's race. I cared about who wrote that song and then became obsessed with John Deacon. I know I will stalk him one day XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| Treasure Moment 23.08.2008 14:59 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:are you claiming that freddie was stupid and YOU know who he is better than himself? hahaTreasure Moment wrote:You should. Or would you say George Bush knows best how intelligent he is? Or that the person who can best judge the quality of a book is its author?ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... Man, freddie is as iranian as you could possibly get, just look at him, he looks 100% iranian and is genetically that too and thats a FACT! |
| Poo, again 23.08.2008 15:06 |
Treasure Moment wrote:You're a FACT.ThomasQuinn wrote:are you claiming that freddie was stupid and YOU know who he is better than himself? haha Man, freddie is as iranian as you could possibly get, just look at him, he looks 100% iranian and is genetically that too and thats a FACT!Treasure Moment wrote:You should. Or would you say George Bush knows best how intelligent he is? Or that the person who can best judge the quality of a book is its author?ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| Treasure Moment 23.08.2008 15:24 |
Poo again wrote:yes i am because everything i say is a FACT :)Treasure Moment wrote:You're a FACT.ThomasQuinn wrote:are you claiming that freddie was stupid and YOU know who he is better than himself? haha Man, freddie is as iranian as you could possibly get, just look at him, he looks 100% iranian and is genetically that too and thats a FACT!Treasure Moment wrote:You should. Or would you say George Bush knows best how intelligent he is? Or that the person who can best judge the quality of a book is its author?ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| Major Tom 24.08.2008 07:27 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Fact: Treasure Moment, continuing Queens footsteps. Go suck it!Poo again wrote:yes i am because everything i say is a FACT :)Treasure Moment wrote:You're a FACT.ThomasQuinn wrote:are you claiming that freddie was stupid and YOU know who he is better than himself? haha Man, freddie is as iranian as you could possibly get, just look at him, he looks 100% iranian and is genetically that too and thats a FACT!Treasure Moment wrote:You should. Or would you say George Bush knows best how intelligent he is? Or that the person who can best judge the quality of a book is its author?ANAGRAMER wrote:Ok ill take your words instead of fredies own where he says he is iranian.....Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.Freddie wasn't Iranian or anything like it - he was Indian! The Parsees left Iran centuries before Freddie was born - it's a bit like saying the Queen is German... |
| kagezan1313 24.08.2008 07:41 |
TM still hasn't looked up the word "Parsi". Parsis FLED Persia 1000 years ago to escape religious persecution. They wanted fuck all to do with Persia, and thusly Iran, and all the other countries that the Persian empire dissolved into. Thusly, you calling Freddie Iranian is like calling a Native American "a Siberian Mongol". I think 1000 years after leaving Persia, the Parsis don't really qualify as Persian. But this isn't really the main factor at all. The fact is that Freddie HATED India, Persia, Zanzibar, and any other place that tied him to dirt-squatting nomads and peasants. In his own mind, Freddie was always royalty, was always rich, pompous and extravagant, and loathed interviewers who even tried remotely to tie him to his humble beginnings. OKAY? Research this a bit, fuckwad. You'll find it to be true. If you're looking for a flag-waving patriot of Persia, you won't find it in Mr. Mercury. He only referred to himself as "of Persian descent" in the 70's to throw people off his Indian origins long enough to allow his skin to pale enough to come across as white. This is also why he wore pancake make-up at all shows during that period. So please, TM, STOP! If Freddie were alive, he'd tell anyone saying he was Iranian to go fuck a duck. |
| Treasure Moment 24.08.2008 07:50 |
kagezan1313 wrote: TM still hasn't looked up the word "Parsi". Parsis FLED Persia 1000 years ago to escape religious persecution. They wanted fuck all to do with Persia, and thusly Iran, and all the other countries that the Persian empire dissolved into. Thusly, you calling Freddie Iranian is like calling a Native American "a Siberian Mongol". I think 1000 years after leaving Persia, the Parsis don't really qualify as Persian. But this isn't really the main factor at all. The fact is that Freddie HATED India, Persia, Zanzibar, and any other place that tied him to dirt-squatting nomads and peasants. In his own mind, Freddie was always royalty, was always rich, pompous and extravagant, and loathed interviewers who even tried remotely to tie him to his humble beginnings. OKAY? Research this a bit, fuckwad. You'll find it to be true. If you're looking for a flag-waving patriot of Persia, you won't find it in Mr. Mercury. He only referred to himself as "of Persian descent" in the 70's to throw people off his Indian origins long enough to allow his skin to pale enough to come across as white. This is also why he wore pancake make-up at all shows during that period. So please, TM, STOP! If Freddie were alive, he'd tell anyone saying he was Iranian to go fuck a duck.You retard! he himself says he is a persian in an interview i can show you and he IS persian which means iranian. His ROOTS are in iran which MAKES him an iranian. He LOOKS 100% iranian because it has to do with GENETICS, can you comprehend what im saying or are you slow? |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 24.08.2008 08:02 |
You're an idiot. |
| kagezan1313 24.08.2008 08:07 |
You didn't quite soak up what I said about WHY he said he was of Persian descent, did you? Listen to a few of his radio interviews, or read other transcripts of interviewers trying to talk about his origins - he gives a quick, vague, bullshit answer and then tells them to get off it and move on. Trust me, TM, you're not going to find a compatriot in Freddie. Nor are you going to convince anyone that he had any interest in Iran, or any other country where people wipe their bums with their hands. Give it up. |
| Treasure Moment 24.08.2008 08:24 |
kagezan1313 wrote: You didn't quite soak up what I said about WHY he said he was of Persian descent, did you? Listen to a few of his radio interviews, or read other transcripts of interviewers trying to talk about his origins - he gives a quick, vague, bullshit answer and then tells them to get off it and move on. Trust me, TM, you're not going to find a compatriot in Freddie. Nor are you going to convince anyone that he had any interest in Iran, or any other country where people wipe their bums with their hands. Give it up.If freddie HIMSELF says he is iranian then thats how it is, who the fuck are you to say that he doesnt mean what he says? the guy was and LOOKED 100% iranian and thats a FACT. Also stfu about iran, you know shit about this country, you have never been there and you dont know the people there you ignorant fuck! |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 24.08.2008 10:17 |
Treasure Moment wrote: If freddie HIMSELF says he is iranian then thats how it isIf that's how it works I shall now be Dutch. I said that, MYSELF, so that's how it is. |
| Treasure Moment 24.08.2008 10:46 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote:You idiot! dont you think he knows himself what he is? its very obvious he is iranian just by looking at him, if you knew what iranians look like that would have been obvious.Treasure Moment wrote: If freddie HIMSELF says he is iranian then thats how it isIf that's how it works I shall now be Dutch. I said that, MYSELF, so that's how it is. Lokk at this you fool! his genetic roots are from iran, its his REAL nationality and race: link |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 24.08.2008 11:24 |
Does it really matter? I'm really not bothered. He could be from Mars for all I care. |
| Treasure Moment 24.08.2008 11:29 |
Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: Does it really matter? I'm really not bothered. He could be from Mars for all I care.It doesnt matter, im just saying it because you guys say he isnt iranian. |
| Winter Land Man 24.08.2008 11:44 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I know you wish Freddie was black, but he isn't. He has some black friends, but Freddie wasn't black. Get your nose out of Britney's ass and then wake up!Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: Does it really matter? I'm really not bothered. He could be from Mars for all I care.It doesnt matter, im just saying it because you guys say he isnt iranian. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.08.2008 11:44 |
Yeah, he isn't. Have you ever *met* an Iranian? Completely different ethnicity! |
| Treasure Moment 24.08.2008 11:55 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: Yeah, he isn't. Have you ever *met* an Iranian? Completely different ethnicity!Are you stupid or something? the guy was 100% iranian, thats a fact, genetically he looks exactly like an iranian, if you knew what an iranian looks like you would understand. |
| freddiesfairy 24.08.2008 11:58 |
I always thought he looked white until I read his story further. I don't think of him as Indian though, I think of him as British from the way he talked and presented himself. Racially he is of Persian heritage in my mind. Even though his family lived in India that doesn't make him Indian in my mind. |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 24.08.2008 12:05 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Well, you say he is, be happy that you are the one who truly knows what he is and shut up about it, you spac face.Freya is quietly judging you. wrote: Does it really matter? I'm really not bothered. He could be from Mars for all I care.It doesnt matter, im just saying it because you guys say he isnt iranian. |
| Holly2003 24.08.2008 12:20 |
Freddie Mercury had a British passport and therefore his nationality was British. he also wore Union jack underpants, which is cast iron proof of his devotion to the Queen (God bless her). If you don't believe me, watch Tim Brooke Taylor in The Goodies. Freddie's parents' nationality was Indian with british residency rights. Forget about Treasure Movement: he is a drone programmed by the Ayatollahs to spread the rumour that Freddie Mercury is Iranian. I know the code words that make him obey commands. Here goes: "Queen+Paul Rodgers!" "I command you treasure moment to say something really mind-numbingly dumb, or insulting." Now watch him go... |
| john bodega 24.08.2008 12:33 |
FREDDIE WAS A GODDAMN FUCKING ALIEN |
| kagezan1313 25.08.2008 04:58 |
I have Goddamn Fucking Alien! Goddamn Fucking Alien, do I hear Sasquatch Elvis Love Child? Alien going once... |
| kagezan1313 25.08.2008 05:00 |
Alien going twice... |
| kagezan1313 25.08.2008 05:01 |
SOLD! Freddie Mercury's ethnicity sold as goddamn fucking alien to Zebonka! Out next item up for bid...the circumstances of Treasure Moment's conception! We'll start the bidding at leaky condom! Anyone? |
| SomebodyWhoLoves 26.08.2008 00:09 |
You mean Farokh Bulsara isn't a White Name? Let me ask you, how retarded do you have to be to not realize Freddie was not White? |
| john bodega 26.08.2008 02:10 |
kagezan1313 wrote: SOLD! Freddie Mercury's ethnicity sold as goddamn fucking alien to Zebonka! Out next item up for bid...the circumstances of Treasure Moment's conception! We'll start the bidding at leaky condom! Anyone?God was aiming for the wastebasket and missed. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 26.08.2008 06:36 |
Zebonka12 wrote: FREDDIE WAS A GODDAMN FUCKING ALIEN:D |
| -fatty- 2850 26.08.2008 07:51 |
kagezan1313 wrote: SOLD! Freddie Mercury's ethnicity sold as goddamn fucking alien to Zebonka! Out next item up for bid...the circumstances of Treasure Moment's conception! We'll start the bidding at leaky condom! Anyone?He was a wank left to hatch in the sun. fatty. |
| pma 26.08.2008 08:54 |
You ignorant cumstains, of course Freddy was an Indian. Straight Outta Teepee, a crazy mothafukka named "Buttslams other men", that's what he was. Do I win? |
| Treasure Moment 26.08.2008 08:59 |
pma wrote: You ignorant cumstains, of course Freddy was an Indian. Straight Outta Teepee, a crazy mothafukka named "Buttslams other men", that's what he was. Do I win?you lose you IGNORANT fool! he was persian and that does not equal indian, get it? persian is iranian. |
| Winter Land Man 26.08.2008 11:22 |
Freddie liked having men put their pee pee in his bum. Now that's a FACT! Right Amir? |
| Winter Land Man 26.08.2008 11:26 |
Freddie was frickin Canadian. And he liked Canadian sausage too! |
| ANAGRAMER 11.12.2008 02:43 |
Play The Game wrote: Freddie liked having men put their pee pee in his bum. Now that's a FACT! Right Amir? You child |
| lalaalalaa 11.12.2008 07:57 |
I always thought he was chinese [img=/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif][/img] |
| Poo, again 11.12.2008 11:03 |
Actually, TM is wrong. You don't have to be Persian to be Iranian, and you don't have to be Iranian to be Persian. |
| Treasure Moment 11.12.2008 16:19 |
Poo, again wrote: Actually, TM is wrong. You don't have to be Persian to be Iranian, and you don't have to be Iranian to be Persian. im talking about genetics, just like a japanease man is japanease no matter where he lives because the people with the same genetics as him are gathered in a place called japan |
| Treasure Moment 11.12.2008 16:19 |
Poo, again wrote: Actually, TM is wrong. You don't have to be Persian to be Iranian, and you don't have to be Iranian to be Persian. im talking about genetics, just like a japanease man is japanease no matter where he lives because the people with the same genetics as him are gathered in a place called japan so people will always see him as a japanease no matter where he lives. |
| «¤~Mrš. BÃD GÛŸ~¤» 11.12.2008 22:31 |
What?? You didn't know that Freddie owned the famous Kwik-E-Mart, open 24 hrs. a day, seven days a week! Freddie was the store owner and Apu was the manager. |
| joe90 12.12.2008 03:33 |
Like Michael Jackson he suffered from vitiligo. |
| bucsateflon 23.02.2019 11:53 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.true |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.02.2019 13:41 |
bucsateflon wrote:So, that's yet another age-old topic you revive, just to show how incredibly ignorant you are. Parsi =/= Persian, Persian =/= Iranian.Treasure Moment wrote: Thats because he isnt an indian, he is iranian. he even says it himself in an interview that he is persian=iranian.true Did you know that many people in Afghanistan, North-West India, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Azerbaijan are Persians? And that almost half of all Iranians aren't Persians? I don't think you did, but not knowing anything about a subject has never stopped you before. |
| spiralstatic 23.02.2019 13:47 |
Why dig up an old thread like this? As to the question, I don't think kids think about race and ethnicity to the same degree - they just see a person and that's that (unless adults around have made them think about such things), but I read biographies of Queen as a child as soon as I discovered them in the late '90's so after Freddie's death, so I knew about his heritage. I have an Uncle who is Syrian and must say he shares similar features to Freddie. Obviously Freddie isn't Syrian and my Uncle is only one person, just as Freddie is only one person. But you can very easily google the history of Parsis to understand more about Freddie's heritage, which isn't racially Indian and I would argue is closer to Syrian than Indian. I attach a map of the Persian Empire. (Living in a county for hundreds of years doesn't alter your racial or ethnic origins.) In terms of Freddie, I wonder how he felt about his heritage. This is nothing specifically to do with Freddie, but I have a friend whose family is Sri Lankan, but she has never been there - she was born in the UK, her family moved to Hong Kong when she was around 3 or 4 and for all of her school years she lived in Hong Kong then she moved back to England at 17. But she went to an English school in Hong Kong and never learned a single word of Chinese in her life (I visited her parents in Hong Kong and my friend didn't even know what the name of the town she lived in her whole life meant.) Of course this was her personality, but she always hated museums and anything to do with history and I have always had the impression she never feels as though she really has any place she felt was culturally home. I mean, I say that, but who of us feel we culturally belong to anything these days? Freddie spent such little time with his family in his childhood, that surely his cultural identification would have come from his experiences at school mainly. And I have to say that I personally don't know enough to know what those experiences entirely would have entailed. I totally feel I have most likely confused certain terms in this post too, so my apologies if I have. And obviously I do not know a great deal about any of this, so apologies too for any errors in what I post. |
| bucsateflon 23.02.2019 17:05 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: So, that's yet another age-old topic you revive, just to show how incredibly ignorant you are. Parsi =/= Persian, Persian =/= Iranian. Did you know that many people in Afghanistan, North-West India, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Azerbaijan are Persians? And that almost half of all Iranians aren't Persians? I don't think you did, but not knowing anything about a subject has never stopped you before.Reviving old threads when you have something to tell or add on that subject is the way to go on a forum. What not to do: make new threads that repeat the same subject as in other threads and spam and fragment the forum... like you would do because you are dumb shemale twat Furthermore you silly cow, "The Persians are an Iranian ethnic group that make up over half the population of Iran" Wikipedia. Furthermore the debate or controversy is not if Freddie was iranian or persian, since is the same thing but to point out that he wasn't indian. Since hoards of indians invaded the internet and social media platforms there is this trend to make Freddie indian. |
| Virgoan2019 24.02.2019 12:03 |
To be honest I didn't give much thought to his background although I always thought he looked "exotic". In the 1970s there wasn't the social media and instant video and photo facilities available today so "live" interviews widely available to a mass audience were rare. Since seeing Bohemian Rhapsody my rather dormant Queen mania has been revived and I've watched numerous interviews etc. on You Tube where Freddie's "colonial" accent with Indian overtones are clearly detectable - one notable example when he pronounces nail varnish - as nail warnish - I've noticed a lot of Indian people pronounce Vs as Ws. Freddie was at school in Bombay (as it was then) from the age of 10 to around 16 or 17 so that would surely have influenced his speech. Whatever his background and ethnicity he was a gorgeous, talented man - born at the wrong time sadly - just think how much more he could have achieved if he'd been born 20 years later - thankfully we now have things like You Tube where we can still enjoy his genius! |
| Thistle 24.02.2019 14:02 |
Yeah, I remember him sounding like that in such songs as "One Wision", "Princes Of The Uniwerse" and "Made In Hewwen" ;) Any chance of a link to the nail warnish thing? He's likely just mispronounced it. |
| Virgoan2019 24.02.2019 16:30 |
Ha ha - take your point - but his speaking voice was significantly different than when he was singing. Can't remember which interview it was - possible one with Mary Turner? - but I remember playing it back several times to make sure I was hearing it right. |
| Thistle 24.02.2019 23:04 |
I'll see if I can find it :) |
| Day dop 25.02.2019 05:27 |
I don't think I ever gave it much thought. It doesn't make much odds to me. |
| Oper 26.02.2019 21:27 |
It's kinda difficult to say but I personal don't. [URL=link Quiz 2 Game[/URL] [URL=link trouble 3 Full game[/URL] |
| miraclesteinway 26.02.2019 22:17 |
I never suspected he wasn't white, I always knew he was Indian. It was never actually hidden that his name was Farokh Bulsara, and that his parents were diplomats from Bombay. That much is in all the books on Queen that have been available since books on Queen started being published. |
| bucsateflon 27.02.2019 07:46 |
you knew wrong |
| ***JAN*** 27.02.2019 22:28 |
As far as his Indian accent: Spread Your Wings. Album version/ Live Killers version/: "You won't get Wery Far" BBC version: utters a strange "V" NOTW Box Set Alternative take: definitely a "V" Let Me In Your Heart Again "open the doors for me babe", I can hear a very thick Indian accent in there No matter the accent or the colour of his skin...Hats off. |
| matt z 28.02.2019 21:30 |
Although it doesn't help the conversation any - i grew up thinking Tony Iommi was a Mexican dude. He looked just like "some guy in a paisa group " (BANDA MUSIC) |
| indy19 21.03.2019 05:20 |
I was a kid in the '80s and saw Queen during the 82 US tour and I never even knew or suspected he wasn't your average British dude. I mean, he kinda looked Greek or Italian or even Spanish to me. I know I was a dumb kid and wasn't into investigating anything. I was just enjoying the music. I'm Indian-American though and I only found out his background late in the '80s. I realized then that he was Parsi and why he looked and sounded the way he did. |
| dysan 21.03.2019 07:50 |
Good thread. Weird, but good. |
| Freeyyaa 08.04.2019 23:17 |
As for me, Freddie have always been europeoidic (?????????) but not xantocroid or european (????????, ???????? ?????). Parsi are europeoidic. |
| dysan 12.04.2019 08:39 |
Bicycle RACISM lol |
| bucsateflon 12.04.2019 20:05 |
We dodged a bullet here with him not being indian... |
| indy19 12.04.2019 23:35 |
He was Indian. He was Indian Parsi. And don't try to "educate" me on that. I grew up with a number of them as close friends. So save it. |
| bucsateflon 13.04.2019 08:17 |
stfu idiot |
| Dougie 4 13.04.2019 10:05 |
Weirdly racist thread...he was Indian of Persian descent aka Parsi...Indians are of diverse descents...Arab, Aryan, Mongloid, indigenous tribal Indians. Irish Americans, for example, are Americans of Irish descent. Parsis have been in India for longer than the Irish have been in America, in fact before there was the US of A |
| Fireplace 17.04.2019 00:22 |
Freddie was actually orange with purplish blotches. Everybody is on his home planet Melmak. |
| dysan 17.04.2019 06:48 |
His teeth were actually quite small for a Melmakian. Hence he came to Earth in embarrassment. |
| pittrek 17.04.2019 09:37 |
This thread is fascinating. Well Queenzone overall is. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but when I listen to music I think about if I like it or not, sometimes I think about what the lyrics means if it's a lyrics driven song. But after spending 14 years on Queenzone and reading threads like this one I guess I was doing it all wrong. I should all the time think about the race of the singer, his/her sexual orientation, who his/her friends are/were (210 pages of the "friends" thread? WTF?), whether s/he is/was transgender and similar important stuff. Well at least it's not boring in here |
| dysan 17.04.2019 10:00 |
I think the difference is that in the old days, we did actually listen to the music and explore it and spend time with it. These days it's more 'oh there is a film about someone I've never heard of' so they listen to a spotify playlist and start and instagram fan account posting memes and chatting jealously about how dreamy Jim was and how evil Mary was. |
| Fireplace 17.04.2019 15:27 |
dysan wrote: I think the difference is that in the old days, we did actually listen to the music and explore it and spend time with it. These days it's more 'oh there is a film about someone I've never heard of' so they listen to a spotify playlist and start and instagram fan account posting memes and chatting jealously about how dreamy Jim was and how evil Mary was.This, basically. People usually get up to no good when they're bored with the lack of new music. |
| dysan 17.04.2019 15:40 |
Damn that typo. |
| doughnut 17.04.2019 18:35 |
That long thread of Thor/Lee started after Thor decided to google himself one day and low and behold it brought him to queen zone. It's quite nice talking to someone who knew Freddie, especially the Freddie that Queen Productions aren't that keen on people knowing. . Maybe I'm old-fashioned too although whilst listening to music, what the lyrics mean etc etc, I also find it enjoyable chatting with people who knew him. Lack of good music I totally agree with, I did grow up with Queen music surrounding me and I still love it to this day. |
| dysan 17.04.2019 19:14 |
At the end of the day, we're all drawn to the wonderful band for so many reasons and there is room for all of us. |
| doughnut 18.04.2019 06:53 |
Thank you Dysan |
| bucsateflon 18.04.2019 06:54 |
LAME |
| dysan 18.04.2019 07:18 |
If you are a fighter and not a lover Bucky old friend, you will be left with few friends come the end. |
| indy19 18.04.2019 23:24 |
That bucteflon guy seems to have an issue haha. Ok I've been given the all-clear by the brain doc to go online 24/7. Not that that's what I'm gonna do ;) |
| indy19 18.04.2019 23:24 |
Right as always Dysan xx
dysan wrote: At the end of the day, we're all drawn to the wonderful band for so many reasons and there is room for all of us. |
| yandere 20.04.2019 05:59 |
"I never did. I mean, I just listened to Queen and enjoyed their music. I never realized that he was Indian/Parsi until someone pointed it out to me. Until then, he was one of the whitest guys I knew of. A lot of things he did were stereotypically "white" things Raging Waters Coupons. I'm Indian and Freddie doesn't look like any Indian I've ever seen. Even the fairest Indians I've met aren't as pale as Freddie or Kashmira. That's why I didn't believe it at first. His mom looks Indian though. If anyone told me to guess though, I would probably say he was Romani(gypsy) kinda like Charlie Chaplin but he definitely doesn't look Indian.... Football Heads" I really couldn't care less about his skin color, he was greatest singer in human history and that is all I care about :D |
| doughnut 20.04.2019 16:47 |
I have been given the all clear to be on social media 24/7 too ..... |
| indy19 23.04.2019 20:12 |
lmao doughnut I just saw this :D fun ain't it? the 'net? ;) |