| PieterMC 23.06.2008 11:16 |
Can't say I am surprised. link |
| Erin 23.06.2008 11:29 |
If you had posted she was dead, I wouldn't be surprised. |
| Micrówave 23.06.2008 12:29 |
I think that's the least of her problems. "With smoking the crack cocaine and the cigarettes her lungs are all gunked up," Love, Dad. |
| Lady Nyx 23.06.2008 12:54 |
Erin wrote: If you had posted she was dead, I wouldn't be surprised.sad but true. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 23.06.2008 13:04 |
She is a tremendous vocal talent. It's sad to see her going the way of other immensely talented but drug-addicted musical artists. You'd think this would be a wake up call, but apparently not. She appears to be one of the people for whom "Rock Bottom" is death. The thing that disturbs me is that in the article I read about it the father kept saying, "Thank God she's performing, because she moderates her drug use when she's performing." That's the best he wants for his daughter? To MODERATE her drug use? Yikes. Now I guess we can see why she has so little motivation to quit. |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.06.2008 13:13 |
Erin wrote: If you had posted she was dead, I wouldn't be surprised.Give her time. |
| thomasquinn 32989 23.06.2008 13:16 |
MasterHistoryGirl wrote: She is a tremendous vocal talent. It's sad to see her going the way of other immensely talented but drug-addicted musical artists."A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know? You'd think this would be a wake up call, but apparently not. She appears to be one of the people for whom "Rock Bottom" is death.If you walk out of rehab, it becomes your own problem, and she chose not to care. So be it. The thing that disturbs me is that in the article I read about it the father kept saying, "Thank God she's performing, because she moderates her drug use when she's performing." That's the best he wants for his daughter? To MODERATE her drug use? Yikes. Now I guess we can see why she has so little motivation to quit.As a historian, you ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. If you'd bothered to check, you'd see that he's been in the media quite a number of times the last year or so, asking for help, asking people to stop encouraging Amy, asking his daughter herself to please get professional help; I'm not surprised he's all but given up. So your "motivation" speech makes about as much sense as Amy's drug-habit. |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 23.06.2008 13:55 |
It's not surprising. I still find it very sad though. It's her own fault, but it's such a shame. I think she's great, I love her voice and her writing, it's sad it's all going to come to an end very soon. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 23.06.2008 17:35 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Ah...nice to see you back Caspar.MasterHistoryGirl wrote: She is a tremendous vocal talent. It's sad to see her going the way of other immensely talented but drug-addicted musical artists."A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?You'd think this would be a wake up call, but apparently not. She appears to be one of the people for whom "Rock Bottom" is death.If you walk out of rehab, it becomes your own problem, and she chose not to care. So be it.The thing that disturbs me is that in the article I read about it the father kept saying, "Thank God she's performing, because she moderates her drug use when she's performing." That's the best he wants for his daughter? To MODERATE her drug use? Yikes. Now I guess we can see why she has so little motivation to quit.As a historian, you ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. If you'd bothered to check, you'd see that he's been in the media quite a number of times the last year or so, asking for help, asking people to stop encouraging Amy, asking his daughter herself to please get professional help; I'm not surprised he's all but given up. So your "motivation" speech makes about as much sense as Amy's drug-habit. 1) Tremendous Vocal Talent: First off, you should be able to identify this as a statement of taste. Ergo, it is a statement of opinion. Opinion is VERY difficult to quantify by facts. Taste is unique to every individual person, therefore what is "good" for one person is "garbage" to another. I happen to admire the amount of raw emotion she can put into her voice, the way she captures the atmosphere around the lyrics. Not everyone can do that, and everything they sing winds up sounding the same. So I happen to think she's got talent. That's my opinion, and I'm not forcing it on anyone else. 2) People who walk out of rehab admit they don't stay because they don't feel they need to. They have to hit rock bottom before they admit they need help. I merely stated she apparently hasn't hit rock bottom yet, or she'd have stayed in rehab and cleaned up her act. 3) What her father does in the media is hardly my business. For the most part, I'm too occupied with higher matters than what Amy's father is saying in the media. And quite frankly, I'm deeply suspicious of anything people say to the media to begin with; it's called spin. What I mentioned is the fact that he's given up on her, and that's sad. As far as the motivation goes, that's all up to her. But, as I pointed out, she clearly hasn't hit rock bottom. So change is unlikely. |
| Micrówave 23.06.2008 17:52 |
FontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. |
| Charlie Brown 24.06.2008 00:14 |
News of Amy Winehouse leaving this world due to a drug overdose would be sad but unsurprising. But i honestly didn't think anyone could smoke enough of anything to have emphysema by the age of 24, damn. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 24.06.2008 04:46 |
right,ive read the article and certain things popped into my head: 1] this first appeared in the Daily Mirror.not exactly the most reliable and informative rag on the planet,the NME is not that far behind for hyper-bole either. 2] the source was her father who will say anything at the mo to keep her away from Mr Doherty and into some form of rehab and keep her in the media/public eye 3] no medical person has backed up his [her fathers] claims [that ive seen] of it being emphysema. 4] no coincidence that all this happens when she has 2 massive gigs this coming weekend.no such thing as bad publicity is there? if she is as bad as her father makes out she is then no way will her doctors allow her to perfom at the 46664 gig or at Glasto this weekend. |
| john bodega 24.06.2008 04:53 |
In a perfect world she'd see what she's doing to herself, clean up her act, put on so much weight that some people start to call her "Amy Warehouse". Meh. Probably won't happen. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.06.2008 04:57 |
Micrówave wrote:In no particular order:FontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti Smith |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 24.06.2008 05:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: In a perfect world she'd see what she's doing to herself, clean up her act, put on so much weight that some people start to call her "Amy Warehouse". Meh. Probably won't happen.she just needs someone from Cornwall with a box of pasties under his arm... if only she can hold on until mid-august |
| john bodega 24.06.2008 06:22 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Something in me screams "Karen Carpenter", more for the control in her voice than anything.Micrówave wrote:In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithFontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. |
| JoxerTheDeityPirate 24.06.2008 06:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote:and Dusty SpringfieldThomasQuinn wrote:Something in me screams "Karen Carpenter", more for the control in her voice than anything.Micrówave wrote:In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithFontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. |
| ***Marial-B*** 24.06.2008 06:30 |
Zebonka12 wrote:I agreeThomasQuinn wrote:Something in me screams "Karen Carpenter", more for the control in her voice than anything.Micrówave wrote:In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithFontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. |
| Erin 24.06.2008 08:21 |
Ann Wilson would be on my list. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.06.2008 09:31 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:Explain to me how anything Maggie said has to be with "being a historian"?MasterHistoryGirl wrote: She is a tremendous vocal talent. It's sad to see her going the way of other immensely talented but drug-addicted musical artists."A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?You'd think this would be a wake up call, but apparently not. She appears to be one of the people for whom "Rock Bottom" is death.If you walk out of rehab, it becomes your own problem, and she chose not to care. So be it.The thing that disturbs me is that in the article I read about it the father kept saying, "Thank God she's performing, because she moderates her drug use when she's performing." That's the best he wants for his daughter? To MODERATE her drug use? Yikes. Now I guess we can see why she has so little motivation to quit.As a historian, you ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. If you'd bothered to check, you'd see that he's been in the media quite a number of times the last year or so, asking for help, asking people to stop encouraging Amy, asking his daughter herself to please get professional help; I'm not surprised he's all but given up. So your "motivation" speech makes about as much sense as Amy's drug-habit. Maggie just gave her point of view about the mental and physical state of Amy Winehouse, nothing else. She gave her opinions based on what she's known so far from press releases she's read, which is just about as much as everybody else knows. If you are willing to point out a different side of the story, all you have to do is mention what other sources of information have told you. Is it really necessary to bring someone to the lowest level? Caspar, as usual you have failed miserably at proving your point; not only because you bring the insults, but you have to degrade anyone who thinks different, brings different facts or points of view, or disagrees when it comes to drawing conclusions. ...that saddest part, is that here we are talking about a junkie star with a foot on the grave, when there's far more deep and complicated issues to discuss. Of course by our own experience in this message board, we know that all you do is shove your ideas down our throats, and turn blind and deaf when it comes to listen to what anyone else has to say. |
| Fenderek 24.06.2008 09:42 |
JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:I would add Aretha Franklin, Skin (formely of Skunk Anansie), Janis Joplin (well- I like it- listen to Move Over, the phrase is THERE...)...Zebonka12 wrote:and Dusty SpringfieldThomasQuinn wrote:Something in me screams "Karen Carpenter", more for the control in her voice than anything.Micrówave wrote:In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithFontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. Amy? Can't stand her, can't understand the whole hype about her, don't think she's that good... her and this idiot Doherty... worth each other... |
| Lester Burnham 24.06.2008 10:12 |
Agreed with you about Janis Joplin, Fenderek. One day a few months ago I was inspired to pick up a few songs of hers, and ended up buying the Box Of Pearls box set. I can definitely say that I'm now a huge fan of hers, though I can see why people would be turned off by her voice. It's an acquired taste for sure, but I suppose I like it because I'm a big fan of Jack Daniel's... Also, not sure if anyone has heard Martha Wainwright, but I think she's a great vocalist. And Chrissie Hynde. And China Forbes from Pink Martini. And Alison Krauss. And the singer from Rush. Wait, that's a guy? Shit. How about those girls from Hanson? Shame about Amy Winehouse, though I can honestly say I've never heard a single song of hers. Life under this rock sure is comfortable... |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.06.2008 10:58 |
Fenderek wrote:I considered Janis, but in the end I decided I like Patti Smith even better.JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:I would add Aretha Franklin, Skin (formely of Skunk Anansie), Janis Joplin (well- I like it- listen to Move Over, the phrase is THERE...)... Amy? Can't stand her, can't understand the whole hype about her, don't think she's that good... her and this idiot Doherty... worth each other...Zebonka12 wrote:and Dusty SpringfieldThomasQuinn wrote:Something in me screams "Karen Carpenter", more for the control in her voice than anything.Micrówave wrote:In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithFontMaster ThomasQuinn wrote: "A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?I would welcome YOUR female top 5 vocalists ever and see who you call talented. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.06.2008 10:59 |
Janis Joplin didn't have a singing voice, but she could for sure scream like a Guanatanamo detainee. |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.06.2008 11:02 |
I see your Dylanitis is still playing up every now and again. |
| Micrówave 24.06.2008 11:03 |
Font ThomasQuinn wrote: In no particular order: -Dinah Washington -Sumi Jo -Grace Slick -Joni Mitchell -Patti SmithIt's interesting that you would put Grace Slick in there. I've often thought that Amy's approach and is very similar to Grace's. Joni Mitchell is greatness. In fact, Herbie Hancock is doing a tribute album to her this year that will definitely be worth picking up. I think you need to give Amy another chance. Buy the CD. Spin it more than once. Forget about her actual life and listen. Judging from your taste, I think you're a "deep cut" guy. Someone who can appreciate the songs NOT released as singles. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 24.06.2008 11:10 |
I wish she would do us all a favour and just fuck off. Every fucking newspaper, TV channel, magazine....famous for being a smack head, whats so good about that? The dirty bitch need sectioning. If she died tomorrow, I wouldnt give a flying fuck. Its sad to say, but the only reason I think Brian got her involved in the fast becoming shambles that is 46664 Hyde Park is to give it a bit of publicity and its looking highly unlikely that she wont make that. I wish her and that Docherty would take a run and jump. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 24.06.2008 11:33 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Aww, thanks Dan! You rock!! I've often wondered that myself, not specifically here but in general, how everything is tied back to what we do. I don't even consider myself a historian; I have historical training, yes. I have an advanced degree in it, yes. But I wouldn't presume to consider myself a historian until I had completed a PhD, written and successfully defended a thesis. And yet many people I know both personally and through the internet consider me a historian (and normally THE source of ALL KNOWLEDGE on anything historical). Me and my grad school friends laughed about that, how many times we told people we were studying history and they proceeded to ask us questions that we had no clue about and then had to explain to the people that as you go higher into the ranks of studying history, your field narrows. A PhD does NOT know everything about history. They might know everything about ONE thing, but that's it.ThomasQuinn wrote:Explain to me how anything Maggie said has to be with "being a historian"? Maggie just gave her point of view about the mental and physical state of Amy Winehouse, nothing else. She gave her opinions based on what she's known so far from press releases she's read, which is just about as much as everybody else knows. If you are willing to point out a different side of the story, all you have to do is mention what other sources of information have told you. Is it really necessary to bring someone to the lowest level? Caspar, as usual you have failed miserably at proving your point; not only because you bring the insults, but you have to degrade anyone who thinks different, brings different facts or points of view, or disagrees when it comes to drawing conclusions. ...that saddest part, is that here we are talking about a junkie star with a foot on the grave, when there's far more deep and complicated issues to discuss. Of course by our own experience in this message board, we know that all you do is shove your ideas down our throats, and turn blind and deaf when it comes to listen to what anyone else has to say.MasterHistoryGirl wrote: She is a tremendous vocal talent. It's sad to see her going the way of other immensely talented but drug-addicted musical artists."A tremendous vocal talent"? Are you talking about the same Amy Winehouse I know?You'd think this would be a wake up call, but apparently not. She appears to be one of the people for whom "Rock Bottom" is death.If you walk out of rehab, it becomes your own problem, and she chose not to care. So be it.The thing that disturbs me is that in the article I read about it the father kept saying, "Thank God she's performing, because she moderates her drug use when she's performing." That's the best he wants for his daughter? To MODERATE her drug use? Yikes. Now I guess we can see why she has so little motivation to quit.As a historian, you ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself. If you'd bothered to check, you'd see that he's been in the media quite a number of times the last year or so, asking for help, asking people to stop encouraging Amy, asking his daughter herself to please get professional help; I'm not surprised he's all but given up. So your "motivation" speech makes about as much sense as Amy's drug-habit. But I'm sure Caspar knows the skills of the historian (and those who receive training in the field of history, such as myself) are applicable to all different kinds of areas; analytical thinking skills, logic, communication, "Big Picture" thinking relating to "Detail Oriented" perspectives, etc. That I think is what he was going after. But again, all I ever post here is my opinion, nothing more or less and is deserves no more or less respect than the opinions of anyone else here (well....*bites tongue*) a |
| thomasquinn 32989 24.06.2008 11:43 |
I didn't mean anything by it, as I'm sure you know. I merely meant to make one point (namely that it was a cheap shot to imply that her father doesn't care, as he seems to me to care quite a lot), and I took the "tremendous vocal talent" to imply not taste, but a statement of talent, which usually refers to technical competence or musical originality, little of which I have heard with Amy, whose greatest credit in my books is sadly no more than being marginally better than Adele (whose director of videos, incidentally, is a god). |
| AspiringPhilosophe 24.06.2008 11:57 |
ThomasQuinn wrote: I didn't mean anything by it, as I'm sure you know. I merely meant to make one point (namely that it was a cheap shot to imply that her father doesn't care, as he seems to me to care quite a lot), and I took the "tremendous vocal talent" to imply not taste, but a statement of talent, which usually refers to technical competence or musical originality, little of which I have heard with Amy, whose greatest credit in my books is sadly no more than being marginally better than Adele (whose director of videos, incidentally, is a god).:-) I take no offense to anything you said, Caspar. You raise a valid point, it was probably bad of me to imply that her father didn't care; I meant more that I was surprised that he was merely advocating for a moderation of her drug use, when it seems like a more appropriate response would be calling for a total cessation. But if he's pleaded with her in the past over this, I can understand the loss of will to bang his head against a wall repeatedly. No worries |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 24.06.2008 12:02 |
It's funny, I've never heard her sing, but I do know all about her addictions, its sad |
| john bodega 24.06.2008 13:36 |
Amy Deadhouse. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 24.06.2008 19:26 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Amy Deadhouse.LMAO. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 25.06.2008 02:03 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Amy Deadhouse.There is hope...sooner rather than later. |
| Donna13 25.06.2008 12:43 |
I've only seen her once (I think) - it was on Jools Holland's show on BBC America. I thought she was excellent. Very talented and charming, with the presence of a star. So, I can see what all the fuss is about if people are worried about her killing herself with drugs. I think that she probably needs to give up her career for a little while and check into a strict facility (rehab, yes yes yes). Her father might think that having a gig is good for her but it is just a temporary fix to a much bigger problem which they probably need to be more aggressive in treating - if they want to keep her alive. Her life is more important than her music. |