Saif 11.06.2008 07:03 |
Retrieved from: link "**Wed 04 Jun 08** WE WILL, WE WILL BARACK YOU !! Congratulations to Mr Obama ! Maybe there is still hope for the Planet Earth ! ... and if there's anything I can do to help ... ! Thanks, Pen Pal Cynthia, for making me first with the news. I just wish there was someone comparable on the horizon to fix Britain." - Brian May Funny. Is he trying to influence his US fans? XD I wonder what Obama would think... Does Obama listen to rock music? I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)... |
pittrek 11.06.2008 07:39 |
Congratulations to what ? Did I miss something ? |
rg9l 11.06.2008 08:50 |
Saif wrote: I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...Are you serious? If yes, then all caucasian people should listen only to Bach and Vivaldi! |
The Fairy King 11.06.2008 09:21 |
Saif wrote: Does Obama listen to rock music? I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...Wow...just wow. |
coops 11.06.2008 10:28 |
Obama likes hedgehogs, and is against ruining the landscape on Mars ( even though nothing lives there) and says "change" a lot. Good enough for me. |
Yara 11.06.2008 10:36 |
rg9l wrote:I strongly support that. lol But not for racial reasons, but musical. ;-)))Saif wrote: I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...Are you serious? If yes, then all caucasian people should listen only to Bach and Vivaldi! |
its_a_hard_life 26994 11.06.2008 11:23 |
Saif wrote: Does Obama listen to rock music? I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black? |
FriedChicken 11.06.2008 11:44 |
No, it means you have bad taste |
david (galashiels) 11.06.2008 12:09 |
why say congrats to someone who lives in a cave in afghanistan? |
john bodega 11.06.2008 12:13 |
Saif wrote: I think black people only listen to rap. |
Saif 11.06.2008 12:24 |
Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so. |
Erin 11.06.2008 12:38 |
Slash is half black, if that counts. And what about.... link |
kdj2hot 11.06.2008 12:40 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so."Black people don't listen to rock music. ". That quote is like me saying that all Indian people are stupid (Since you said you're Indian). Just because you're stupid it doesn't mean all Indian people are stupid. I'm black and I like Rock music, ya douche. |
PieterMC 11.06.2008 12:42 |
its_a_hard_life wrote:No, you just have bad taste :-PSaif wrote: Does Obama listen to rock music? I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black? |
Erin 11.06.2008 12:44 |
PieterMC wrote:I think Niek already covered that. ;-Pits_a_hard_life wrote: I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black?No, you just have bad taste :-P FriedChicken |
Saif 11.06.2008 12:52 |
kdj2hot wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, yet it seems I did. I think it was stupid of me to say it that way now. I should've said few black people like rock music. And it was especially dumb since it has no connection to Obama anyway. Again - I'm extremely sorry.Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so."Black people don't listen to rock music. ". That quote is like me saying that all Indian people are stupid (Since you said you're Indian). Just because you're stupid it doesn't mean all Indian people are stupid. I'm black and I like Rock music, ya douche. |
PieterMC 11.06.2008 13:01 |
Erin wrote:You don't think I actually read all of the posts on here do you?PieterMC wrote:I think Niek already covered that. ;-Pits_a_hard_life wrote: I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black?No, you just have bad taste :-PFriedChicken |
onevsion 11.06.2008 13:29 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.link Take a look at 1 minute and 5 seconds... AND: stop being such a racist. |
Tero 11.06.2008 14:48 |
Saif wrote: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.Why would there be any black Queen fans, when all the fans are middle-aged English gay men? (insert rolling eyes smiley) |
its_a_hard_life 26994 11.06.2008 14:52 |
Erin wrote:XD XD XDPieterMC wrote:I think Niek already covered that. ;-Pits_a_hard_life wrote: I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black?No, you just have bad taste :-PFriedChicken *hides* :) |
its_a_hard_life 26994 11.06.2008 14:54 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT.I see some black people at the gigs I go to, which are ROCK gigs. Also, two of my close friends are black and they listen to rock. Even Heavy Metal. So we're not talking about the soft rock here. You are so wrong. :) |
beautifulsoup 11.06.2008 17:45 |
And Brian might well have congratulated Hillary if she had secured the nomination. I think it wouldn't have mattered who - as long as it was a Democrat. |
steven 35638 11.06.2008 17:45 |
FriedChickenAmen to that. I don't even consider rap to be music, it's an art form at the very least. No offense to Jessica, of course. |
vilardeboys 11.06.2008 19:34 |
¡Xenofóbico! |
Knute 11.06.2008 19:54 |
Erin wrote: Slash is half black, if that counts. And what about.... linkOh yeahhh Living Colour. I had their second album Time's Up. God haven't heard that since 1990. They were a great fucking band. Very unique original songs. Too bad they didn't stay together. |
Saif 12.06.2008 00:35 |
Ducksoup wrote:I already apologized. I didn't mean to be racist but I can certainly understand how it could have been taken that way. Again, my sincerest apologies. It was an extremely foolish and ignorant remarkSaif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.link Take a look at 1 minute and 5 seconds... AND: stop being such a racist. |
john bodega 12.06.2008 01:55 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.Zebonka. |
its_a_hard_life 26994 12.06.2008 05:07 |
Zebonka12 wrote:LMAO.Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.Zebonka. :D |
its_a_hard_life 26994 12.06.2008 05:07 |
Steven wrote:Don't worry about it. :PFriedChickenAmen to that. I don't even consider rap to be music, it's an art form at the very least. No offense to Jessica, of course. |
tenchijin2 12.06.2008 08:48 |
What? A radical left wing rock star endorses a radical left wing politian? My God, how revolutionary! Has this ever happened before? Ah, sarcasm tastes good. Who cares whom Dr. May endorses? |
The Real Wizard 12.06.2008 12:05 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music.I'm a musician, and I know plenty of black guys who play and love rock music. And then there are guys like BB King, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, and Billy Preston to name a few... tenchijin2 wrote: What? A radical left wing rock star endorses a radical left wing politian?Note that nobody has mentioned the Republican side of things in this thread, but you felt the need to attack people on the left. It's people like you who perpetuate the partisan divide in your country. It's almost like it's a moral civil war, and people like you are to blame. It's not a matter of "who cares" who endorses whom. Can't you just let people simply be, without going out of your way to spout your obviously strong distaste for people who think differently than you? |
onevsion 12.06.2008 13:13 |
Saif wrote:accepted.Ducksoup wrote:I already apologized. I didn't mean to be racist but I can certainly understand how it could have been taken that way. Again, my sincerest apologies. It was an extremely foolish and ignorant remarkSaif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.link Take a look at 1 minute and 5 seconds... AND: stop being such a racist. |
Saif 12.06.2008 13:35 |
Sir GHYeah, I know man, the blues people are the creators of Rock n' Roll. But I was referring to modern African-Americans. It was a dumb remark either way. Even I could think of some black rock/metal fans if I had actually put any thought into it, which I didn't. :( E.G. The guys who did the song cop-killer. And I didn't post this to show it as something revolutionary. Even "The Boss" Springsteen endorsed Barack Obama, so nothing new. I posted this thread since I was surprised that Brian actually endorsed Obama directly, despite not being a US citizen. |
Treasure Moment 12.06.2008 16:06 |
wow brian must be pretty damn naive if he actually believes it does matter who you vote for! all of the are puppets for other more powerful people behind the scene and no matter who wins the same agenda will continue! |
Yara 12.06.2008 16:57 |
If Blacks don't listen to Rock Music, they're just wise. After all, they created blues, which is way more interesting, they pretty much created Rock n Roll (Beatles did covers of Chuck Berry's songs) and paved the way for the rock of the 70's (think about Muddy Waters going eletric; Albert King; or...Jimi Hendrix). And they pretty much are what's worth in Jazz. I take the most sophisticated white popular musicians. Take Zappa. Good guy, listened to Stravisnky (which is going back in time since he was pretty much reacting against Schoenberg and the Second Vienna Schol), and then I think of Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Charlie Mingus, Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, and it's soooo sad to listen to Zappa, even though I like him. It's dispiritng. So, maybe they got tired of beating the whites out in popular music and got tired of their own inventions - people who create things want to do something new. If I create and play the same thing over 30 years, I guess I'm fully entitled to try to fight the bore and create something new. Like: Soul and R&B: the gorgeous Aretha Franklin, James Brown, etc. Hip-Hop and Rap: there's very interesting stuff there. So, blacks have always been doing their share, more than their share, in fact, in popular music. I feel really sad that now they are going back in time and starting to listen to rock music. I think it's time for the classical music industry lift up the prejudice against blacks and let them be well educated and have their interpretations or compostions released. I have listened to a lot of good stuff already. ---------------------------- Now, the reading disabilities. I know about because I have them so it's kind of a nuisance to see people who are fully able to read misreading things. Brian, first of all, didn't endorse Obama. If he does, well, it's the Democrat candidate, and he sides with the Democrats, so what's the problem? I think he's just acting upon his worldviews - but there are people who find it outrageous. Then, expressing enthusiasm for the change that Obama symbolizes (whether there'll be real, significant changes in the way Brian would like, we don't know yet). He's just expressing hope that a candidate on the left will tackle issues he's concerned about. This is not endorsment because he's a musician, not a politician or journalist. He's just acting - how outrageous! - as a world citizen in a globalized world. So, really, give the guy a break. Every single time he speaks anything it's reason for bashing the guy, and the bashing is based on ZERO intellectual content - that's neither an endorsment nor propaganda. It's his view as a citizen in a world where everything is linked - especially U.K and the U.S. |
Marcus Gratianus 12.06.2008 21:46 |
Yara wrote: ...You're sounding bitter and rude, my darling. You don't need this. Te adoro muito, viu? Beijo, beijo, beijo, linda. |
Yara 12.06.2008 23:20 |
Marcus Gratianus wrote:Obrigada, querido, but I'm just stating my opinion, no worries. :-) If people disagree with it, they are absolutely free here on queenzone to contradict it - that's how the game works. ;-)))) No need to worry.Yara wrote: ...You're sounding bitter and rude, my darling. You don't need this. Te adoro muito, viu? Beijo, beijo, beijo, linda. |
tenchijin2 12.06.2008 23:53 |
Note that nobody has mentioned the Republican side of things in this thread, but you felt the need to attack people on the left. It's people like you who perpetuate the partisan divide in your country. It's almost like it's a moral civil war, and people like you are to blame. It's not a matter of "who cares" who endorses whom. Can't you just let people simply be, without going out of your way to spout your obviously strong distaste for people who think differently than you?Quit projecting. I attacked no one. I pointed out how UN newsworthy this item is. Radical left wing rockstars have been endorsing radical left wing politicians for DECADES. It's meaningless. It's like saying "Penguin endorses snow". I represented no view point politically in this thread. Climb down from your lecture podium. |
YourValentine 13.06.2008 05:18 |
Hu? I thought the funny thing about your post was calling Brian May a "radical left wing" :-) He is about as radical left wing as the Queen of England. And so is Obama. |
pittrek 13.06.2008 05:59 |
Treasure Moment wrote: wow brian must be pretty damn naive if he actually believes it does matter who you vote for! all of the are puppets for other more powerful people behind the scene and no matter who wins the same agenda will continue!And who is behind the scene ? Jewish billionaires ? Alien reptiles ? Hitler's secret clone and his worshippers ? |
Treasure Moment 13.06.2008 08:49 |
pittrek wrote:Elites like David Rockefeller and the Rothschild family and others, VERY simple logic.Treasure Moment wrote: wow brian must be pretty damn naive if he actually believes it does matter who you vote for! all of the are puppets for other more powerful people behind the scene and no matter who wins the same agenda will continue!And who is behind the scene ? Jewish billionaires ? Alien reptiles ? Hitler's secret clone and his worshippers ? |
john bodega 13.06.2008 11:31 |
Yara wrote: If Blacks don't listen to Rock Music, they're just wise. After all, they created blues, which is way more interesting, they pretty much created Rock n Roll (Beatles did covers of Chuck Berry's songs) and paved the way for the rock of the 70's (think about Muddy Waters going eletric; Albert King; or...Jimi Hendrix). And they pretty much are what's worth in Jazz. I take the most sophisticated white popular musicians. Take Zappa. Good guy, listened to Stravisnky (which is going back in time since he was pretty much reacting against Schoenberg and the Second Vienna Schol), and then I think of Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Charlie Mingus, Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, and it's soooo sad to listen to Zappa, even though I like him. It's dispiritng. So, maybe they got tired of beating the whites out in popular music and got tired of their own inventions - people who create things want to do something new. If I create and play the same thing over 30 years, I guess I'm fully entitled to try to fight the bore and create something new. Like: Soul and R&B: the gorgeous Aretha Franklin, James Brown, etc. Hip-Hop and Rap: there's very interesting stuff there. So, blacks have always been doing their share, more than their share, in fact, in popular music. I feel really sad that now they are going back in time and starting to listen to rock music. I think it's time for the classical music industry lift up the prejudice against blacks and let them be well educated and have their interpretations or compostions released. I have listened to a lot of good stuff already.You've written some nonsense, but this one wins the prize. |
The Real Wizard 13.06.2008 12:30 |
tenchijin2 wrote: Quit projecting. I attacked no one.The very idea of feeling the need to polarize ends of the political spectrum is so innate to you that you don't see how labelling people (correctly or not) can be attacking them simply for what they believe. |
Tranchera 13.06.2008 12:36 |
Saif wrote: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.I'm black. Thanks for noticing. |
Yara 13.06.2008 16:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Point me out the nonsense. Thanks.Yara wrote: If Blacks don't listen to Rock Music, they're just wise. After all, they created blues, which is way more interesting, they pretty much created Rock n Roll (Beatles did covers of Chuck Berry's songs) and paved the way for the rock of the 70's (think about Muddy Waters going eletric; Albert King; or...Jimi Hendrix). And they pretty much are what's worth in Jazz. I take the most sophisticated white popular musicians. Take Zappa. Good guy, listened to Stravisnky (which is going back in time since he was pretty much reacting against Schoenberg and the Second Vienna Schol), and then I think of Thelonious Monk, John Coltrane, Charlie Mingus, Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, and it's soooo sad to listen to Zappa, even though I like him. It's dispiritng. So, maybe they got tired of beating the whites out in popular music and got tired of their own inventions - people who create things want to do something new. If I create and play the same thing over 30 years, I guess I'm fully entitled to try to fight the bore and create something new. Like: Soul and R&B: the gorgeous Aretha Franklin, James Brown, etc. Hip-Hop and Rap: there's very interesting stuff there. So, blacks have always been doing their share, more than their share, in fact, in popular music. I feel really sad that now they are going back in time and starting to listen to rock music. I think it's time for the classical music industry lift up the prejudice against blacks and let them be well educated and have their interpretations or compostions released. I have listened to a lot of good stuff already.You've written some nonsense, but this one wins the prize. |
Marcus Gratianus 13.06.2008 18:53 |
Hohoho...I love it when you're having fun, my darling. You deserve it for all the work you do. The guy is incapable of understanding a clever subtle irony, let alone music, Yara. All the guy is capable of doing are disgusting and childish jokes about aids. A loser. You're an extraordinarily talented blessing. Te amo muito, minha linda. Arrebenta amanhã! Beijos e mais beijos! Hehehe. Burduna no idiota! |
tenchijin2 13.06.2008 19:11 |
YourValentine wrote: Hu? I thought the funny thing about your post was calling Brian May a "radical left wing" :-) He is about as radical left wing as the Queen of England. And so is Obama.Uh... yeah, OK. "Animal rights", higher taxes, "universal" gov't healthcare, Kyoto protocol, anti-war in virtually EVERY case, and on and on. Those are all left-wing positions. That's the definition of left-wing. Short of Junta gov't takeover it's about as far left as you can get! I'm not going to even argue about the virtues of those positions but it's intellectually dishonest to deny that they are left wing. Radically. Just as all of you would call me "ultra-right-wing" or "ultra-conservative". That's fine. It's not an insult, it's a definition. |
Yara 13.06.2008 21:37 |
Marcus Gratianus wrote: Hohoho...I love it when you're having fun, my darling. You deserve it for all the work you do. The guy is incapable of understanding a clever subtle irony, let alone music, Yara. All the guy is capable of doing are disgusting and childish jokes about aids. A loser. You're an extraordinarily talented blessing. Te amo muito, minha linda. Arrebenta amanhã! Beijos e mais beijos! Hehehe. Burduna no idiota!Ok, and you just spoiled the fun!!! Na, I didn't even know about the guy's existence before this thread and the idiotic jokes, I couldn't really care less for what he is or think, I have no interest at all in reading what he writes - what Daniel described about the guy was disgusting enough. Até amanhã, querido, tremendo já...brrrrrr. ------------------------------------------- About the radical left-wing: Hey, this is, and has been, pretty much the agenda of social democrats over the years, it's hardly extreme in the political spectrum - by radical left-wing I understand, I don't know, socialist movements bent on destroying the rule of law, the individual freedoms, the respect for private ownership, and so on. Ok, taxes do interfere with private ownership, but they are created inside the institutional framework of a democratic state, so it's not extreme. Radical left-wing, if you wanna see some, you should come here to Latin America, really. Then you'd see SOME radical left-wing. And Brian, for sure, would be appaled at what the guys do and say. If Obama is your radical-left, really, I think he poses no threat to the democratic system and the values you guys fighted and still fight for. I know what's radical-left, believe me. Hahaha. Man, it's not Obama, by any stretch of imagination. |
Richard Orchard 13.06.2008 22:32 |
Fuck Brian is clue-less... Seems a little premature to endorse someone - when the details of substance are yet to be defined for this particular candidate. |
tenchijin2 13.06.2008 22:44 |
Yara wrote: Radical left-wing, if you wanna see some, you should come here to Latin America, really. Then you'd see SOME radical left-wing. And Brian, for sure, would be appaled at what the guys do and say. If Obama is your radical-left, really, I think he poses no threat to the democratic system and the values you guys fighted and still fight for. I know what's radical-left, believe me. Hahaha. Man, it's not Obama, by any stretch of imagination.Left and right are contextual to their respective countries or cultures. YOu're right, compared to the problems in Latin America (Chavez, et al) our radical left is tame. Thank God. Keep well, |
Dusta 14.06.2008 01:27 |
Are there any black Queen fans? I just realized that I haven't heard any black folks singing Queen's praises, or, even listening to Queen.
Tero wrote:Saif wrote: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.Why would there be any black Queen fans, when all the fans are middle-aged English gay men? (insert rolling eyes smiley) |
john bodega 14.06.2008 04:04 |
Yara wrote: Point me out the nonsense. Thanks.Basically all of it. The last paragraph was especially juicy and overflowing with stupid. Marcus Gratianus wrote: The guy is incapable of understanding a clever subtle irony, let alone music, Yara.Bzzzt. Wrong. What is it that you do, again? Marcus Gratianus wrote: All the guy is capable of doing are disgusting and childish jokes about aids. A loser.And you're a clone. I can't back that up, but you're about as useful as one. |
john bodega 14.06.2008 04:05 |
Dusta wrote: Are there any black Queen fans? I just realized that I haven't heard any black folks singing Queen's praises, or, even listening to Queen.I'd say Wyclif Jean, but no fan would butcher a song like he did. |
YourValentine 14.06.2008 04:55 |
Environmentalists and animal protectors are not necessarily left wing. They can be very conservative. The Kyoto Protocol was signed by 178 countries, many democracies who were led by Christian democrats or liberals ratified it and it has nothing to do with ultra left wing politics. The pope is anti-war - is he a radical left wing? I never saw Brian support higher taxes but maybe I missed it. Actually, I doubt he ever did, he pays lots of taxes already. I never saw him speak out for socializing the petrol industry or abolishing private schools or any other typical radical left wing positions. He is a CBE and chancellor of a university, you can see him in 17th century costumes :-) You say it's "intellectually dishonest" to deny that a person who has various opinions on various issues is an ultra left wing. I say it's generalizing and labelling and does not show much respect to call somone a radical only because he is anti-war and wants to protect the hedgehogs. |
Donna13 14.06.2008 08:23 |
Dusta wrote: Are there any black Queen fans? I just realized that I haven't heard any black folks singing Queen's praises, or, even listening to Queen.This seems very silly. I do know of a Queen fan and she is not only black, but in her 70's and she said, "I love Queen!" when I told her I was traveling up to New Jersey to see them. She is a retired teacher who is in my volunteer group. So, there you have it. Ha.Tero wrote:Saif wrote: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.Why would there be any black Queen fans, when all the fans are middle-aged English gay men? (insert rolling eyes smiley) I think that music is an individual preference. I will say this, because I took notice of it at the time: when I was at the DC show there was a black security guard who had no reaction at all to the music, but when "Another One Bites the Dust" came on, he really started to enjoy the show - he was moving to the beat and singing to it I think. I'm sure that was because it was the only song that had been played on the black music station, therefore the only song he might have been familiar with. I was glad to see him enjoying that one song! That was one of my happy memories of the night. |
Richard Orchard 14.06.2008 12:35 |
I know black people who like / love Rock music. Having said that, i guess if you were talking "majority" as a race, they would probably be into other things a bit more. Yeah - i think Brian is a bit of a left-wing loon (from my perspective at least). Just a little detatched from the real world. |
The Real Wizard 14.06.2008 19:23 |
tenchijin2 wrote: Just as all of you would call me "ultra-right-wing" or "ultra-conservative". That's fine. It's not an insult, it's a definition.Fair enough. You can define yourself all you want as you're entitled, but don't go off defining others based on their differing views from yours. But clearly, by your definition, anyone who cares about animal rights, the environment, or the lower economic class is left wing. These are not inherently political issues. They are realities that you can choose to acknowledge or ignore. The fact that people care about these issues doesn't make them "left wing" by default. These issues only become politicized when the left wing needs to pick up the pieces after the right wing chooses to ignore them. Also, anyone who acknowledges that it was wrong to spend trillions on a war that went against international law is not left wing. They are simply correct. |
Richard Orchard 14.06.2008 19:45 |
i think the idea of having a "legal" or "illegal" was is a bit odd in my opinion... |
tenchijin2 14.06.2008 19:51 |
Sir GHSee, this is sad. You actually believe that I don't care about certain people. That I like death, and that I don't care about the environment. To you "ultra conservative" means bad, but there is essentially no left-wing position which is bad. Definitionally to you, you are simply 'right' and conservatives are simply 'bad'. Again, you'll notice I have NO WHERE even attempted to argue the merits of either sides positions. All I've done is attempted to accurately label those positions for what they are. The bile and vitriol you people express is disheartening. I shall no longer contribute to this. Good day to all, I shall attempt to find more open minded and considerate conversation. |
Saif 15.06.2008 00:04 |
Wow, my thread has gone from Brian endorsing Obama to a crisis over Black rock fans and now to a left wing-right wing tension. |
Yara 15.06.2008 00:18 |
Hahaha. But that's great, I always learn a whole lot here, and there are these thread which generate various interesting comments. I liked YourValentine's and Donna13's comments in particular. As for Tenchijin2, I find it sad that you're not going to post in this thread anymore, it was interesting to know your views. You know why? I understand what you say about the concepts of "left" and "right" being contextual to different countries and cultures, but politics, and economics, have been crossing the boundaries between nation-states for so long that I don't really think it's a helpful way of approaching the issue. If you think about it in a historical perspective, what Obama says is not much different from what Social Democrats have been defending over such a long time. New issues have come to political consciousness, for sure, but some of them are pretty much what social democracy throughout the war has fighted for, and I never thought about social democrats, at least from the mid-20th on, as "radical left". Now, here, in Latin America, wow, you have radical left - there are parties and movements which reject the democratic institutional framework we are accostumed to - freedom of speech, private ownership, freedom of movement and association, and so on. Some movements, though not all, I want to stress it, are outright terrorist groups, like the FARC, which make huge damages to my country due to drug trafficking and dealing. So, yes, you have Chávez, who now demands every citizen to be a guardian of the revolution - it's like a Gestapo made up by most of the population! So, it's scaring, no doubt. And, really, in this integrated world we live in, a world in which everything is linked to other cultures and countries, I think it's not that helpful to contextualize politics just in terms of national sovergein states. I think a more global approach is needed because we're all interacting: if Obama had to deal with the Farc, for sure he'd chase them down and help Uribe out (don't wanna enter this discussion, just pointing out what does the labels really look like in the real world) - does really undermine the case for Obama being "radical left". It's just my humble opinion. I guess it's a more useful way to deal with these issues. Take care! |
Poo, again 15.06.2008 11:15 |
Guitarist and lead singer Arthur Lee of 60's psychedelic ROCK band Love was black. |
cmsdrums 15.06.2008 14:27 |
It's a well known fact that anything that Brian believes in is right, and if you have any other point of view (whether it be about politicians, hedgehogs, outer space, or even music) then you are WRONG - fact. (Well, that's what Brian seems to beleive anyway)!! :-) |
kingogre 15.06.2008 15:43 |
Sir GHWell written |
The Real Wizard 16.06.2008 01:34 |
tenchijin2 wrote: You actually believe that I don't care about certain people. That I like death, and that I don't care about the environment.Absolutely, because you said it yourself - albeit not directly. Allow me to illustrate. You labelled left-wing people as those who care about the environment, which in turn means that you assert right-wing people like yourself don't. If you did care, you wouldn't have used this issue as part of your attack on the left, polarizing that you choose to engage in. Same goes for health care, an issue that is most important to people who cannot afford to pay for private health care (which doesn't necessarily make them left-wing). As a conservative who uses health care as an example in the denouncement of the left, this therefore means you don't support their needs in their particular place in the financial spectrum. You also indicated that you believe there is something wrong with those who are anti-war. By denouncing people who are anti-war, you are inadvertently stating that you support the war, and thus support the 100,000+ civilian deaths inflicted by the US, and the fact that trillions of dollars were required to make those deaths possible - deaths that are creating mass hatred for the west, and somehow leave people in the white house (and people all over the country who vote republican) scratching their heads wondering why airplanes are being flown into buildings. Before you accuse me of attacking you, please note that the accusation of being intolerant of someone else's initial intolerance is an age-old circular argument that continues to attack people and not the problems themselves. It doesn't fly. To you "ultra conservative" means bad, but there is essentially no left-wing position which is bad.No, I definitely didn't state that, nor did I even state that I myself am a left-wing person. Just because I generally don't subscribe to right-wing views doesn't automatically designate me as left-wing. The world isn't black and white, thus creating multiple options for thought than big brother would like to dictate to you. Definitionally to you, you are simply 'right' and conservatives are simply 'bad'.I'm not right on all levels, nor am I flawless, nor can I say for sure that my views now are the ones I'll hold tomorrow, next week, or next year. We're in a world that's evolving, and thus our views, knowledge of the world, and tolerance for new ideas all need to evolve with it. These practices do not belong at any particular place of the political spectrum. They are common sense. Either you do it, or you are left behind in the ways of the past - ways that over time become obsolete, usually after much kicking and screaming from those whose "treasured" values/prejudices become difficult and eventually downright impossible to sustain. That said, I challenge you to prove me wrong, if open-minded conversation is what you want. What good has ultra-conservative thought brought to the world? How has it advanced things? Why shouldn't there be a plurality of ideas and understanding of these differences? What good has the politics of fear done? What good have anti-abortion laws done for women who have been raped? When has war ever created a long-lasting solution to a problem, or left a mark that wasn't forgotten after a few generations? These are all questions I've been seeking answers to for years, and have never gotten them. I welcome your answers. |
Sweetie 16.06.2008 07:15 |
its_a_hard_life wrote:We all know you are =pSaif wrote: Does Obama listen to rock music? I think black people only listen to rap... (except Jimi Hendrix)...I listen to rap. Does that mean I'm black? |
its_a_hard_life 26994 16.06.2008 08:00 |
DeakysLOL XD |
thomasquinn 32989 16.06.2008 11:45 |
Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.So, essentially, because you know one black person who doesn't like rock, none do? That really makes no sense. Come have a look at my university. Plenty of black people listening to rock there. |
Saif 16.06.2008 13:47 |
ThomasQuinn wrote:I already apologized for my statement. It was insensitive, I know. I play a certain online game called Gunz and met a black dude who likes rock(actually he likes all types of music) and furthermore, what's more interesting, he listens to Ogre Battle from Queen while working out in the gym!(or so he says) It's amazing, he must he a godsend or something(even though I disbelieve in "God") and he LOVES Queen.Saif wrote: Black people don't listen to rock music. FACT. I'm not saying white people shouldn't listen to rock then, I mean that black people of today generally hate rock music. I know an African-American guy on MSN and he gets mad if I talk about rock. He says stuff like "Keep that shit to yourselves", even though I'm not white(I'm Indian). There's no reason to get mad at me for it, saying I'm racist or whatever. It's true. EDIT: For further proof- SERIOUSLY. Name just ONE black Queenzoner. Yeah, thought so.So, essentially, because you know one black person who doesn't like rock, none do? That really makes no sense. Come have a look at my university. Plenty of black people listening to rock there. |