| andyhwood485 28.04.2008 09:23 |
It says on QOL, that The Classic Rock article in June 2008 mentions John's involvement with the new Album. Other than John (being a Company Director of Queen Productions, etc) saying go ahead and make it and send me a cheque when the money starts rolling in, does anyone think he has had any physical invovlement in it at all? |
| PieterMC 28.04.2008 09:41 |
andyhwood485 wrote: It says on QOL, that The Classic Rock article in June 2008 mentions John's involvement with the new Album. Other than John (being a Company Director of Queen Productions, etc) saying go ahead and make it and send me a cheque when the money starts rolling in, does anyone think he has had any physical invovlement in it at all?No because in the same article Roger says "John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. nobody knows where he is or what he's doing. he doesn't really like people. He sent a message when our musical 'We Will Rock You' launched in the West End saying that he approved of everything we were doing." |
| olly1988 28.04.2008 10:11 |
I would be over the moon if John did but theres more chance of me growing another arm! |
| Micrówave 28.04.2008 10:15 |
John who? This is Queen + Paul Rodgers! I don't see any reason for a lineup change. Unless, this John guy has been really, really practicing.... |
| pittrek 28.04.2008 10:20 |
John committed suicide 3 years ago |
| john bodega 28.04.2008 10:22 |
I don't want to disappoint you, but John died in 1980. He will NOT be involved in the new album link That ought to get you up to speed. I am sorry to crush your dreams, but it's been 28 years... time to move on, say goodbye to John. |
| olly1988 28.04.2008 10:23 |
Who wouldn't like to see John back? Really? |
| Micrówave 28.04.2008 10:29 |
I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really. Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since. You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you? |
| olly1988 28.04.2008 10:43 |
Im not sure, when your a musician its in your blood. I know. Its hard to just forget about it and not have the drive to atleast play privately. Unless your of a certain mental disposition, which many people seem to say he is. |
| Borhap80 28.04.2008 10:54 |
Maybe this is old news, but there were some rumours years ago that mentioned some information which might be the reason for him not being interesting in Queen anymore. - First, yes we all agree that John wasnt that into the rocknroll life style, showbiz et.ct, that might have led to his withdrawal regardless on how things would have turned. To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough... Maybe this has nothing to with him not being present, just a thought... |
| Serry... 28.04.2008 11:10 |
I would. I'd like to see him more than Paul Rodgers and that team of American guys with guitars. |
| PieterMC 28.04.2008 11:17 |
Thomas Tønnesen wrote: To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control. Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH. |
| Mr Faron Hyte 28.04.2008 11:25 |
Serry... wrote: I would. I'd like to see him more than Paul Rodgers and that team of American guys with guitars.Given John's prior solo work, I'd have to think that Paul Rodgers and a team of American guys with guitars would put on a better show. Two hours of bass solos and the opera section of Bohemian Rhapsody sounds kind of monotonous. |
| Phill the Thrill 28.04.2008 11:46 |
alot of people think John would be a terrible player today...but just cause he hasnt been performing, doesnt mean he hasnt been playing. not wanting to be in the spot light and giving up on ones passion is two differant things. I like to think that he has been playing and creating some amazing music all these years. |
| Micrówave 28.04.2008 14:31 |
But where is this amazing music, Phill? On his hard drive? You and I will write songs and even record them, but someone who's 'been there, done that'? I wonder what motivates them. Now some have their hits and keep churning out albums to fans. Guys like Randy Newman, Peter Frampton, Colin Hay still write and RELEASE this material on their own. A lot of this material is better (in my opinion) than some of their commercial successes (see Hay, mentioned above). No record labels or contracts, you simply buy it from their website or amazon. There is a marketplace for the 'old guys', but I don't see John ever pursuing that either. |
| danwhite89 28.04.2008 15:12 |
well he may have written the songs, but I not even he could like his voice. He doesn't have anyone to sing on them. It's a shame tho that he's turned into a bit of a hermit. |
| Negative Creep 28.04.2008 15:13 |
Micrówave wrote: I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really. Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since. You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you?Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable. What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour. I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended? |
| Russian Headlong 28.04.2008 15:44 |
I would not want John back in the band. Reading between the lines Brian and John are not that bothered, in fact they are very diplomatic. He always was a lazy bastard and responsible along with Freddie for some of the pop/dance/disco crap that Queen indulged in the 80's. He never came over as a real rocker more interested in soul and pop tunes. Freddie appeared to be his sidekick in these styles if you read credits etc, although Fred seemed to equally embrace Rock/Metal/Disco/Opera/80'S Synth pop etc. These mix of styles brought Queen more pop fans from the Game onwards but alienated many of their Heavy Rock fans who had followed them from the first album. There were moments of brilliance on the 80's albums, but for me every 80's album is patchy, with Hot Space having just 3 decent tracks, Under Pressure, Put out the Fire and Las Palbras. This is indicative of John and Freddie's turning away from pomp rock and embracing shit like soul/dance/disco but undoubtedly giving Queen a whole new audience. Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers. I can't see Deacon fitting into the more Blues edgge Rock that the Cosmos Rocks promises to be. |
| Mr Faron Hyte 28.04.2008 16:51 |
Negative Creep wrote:You folks who are - for whatever reason, legitimate or insane (i.e. Treasure Moments) - dissatisfied with Brian, Roger, Jim Beach, Paul Rodgers, Greatest Hits 3, We Will Rock You, whatever, and who have decided against all logic and evidence to the contrary that John Deacon was somehow the soul and barometer of quality in Queen ... surely you realize that you're deluding yourselves. That its pure projection on your parts. "Oh if only John were still around, everything would be great." That is, at best, wishful thinking. And ultimately its completely irrelevent because, wishes to the contrary, John Richard Deacon isn't interested anymore and hasn't been for a decade. He has moved on. He's not going to come back and save the day and he's not going to take the band name away from Brian and Roger. That dog just isn't going to hunt, and your bass playing Superman isn't going to swoop down and save the day. I wish Freddie weren't dead, but that isn't going to change either. So let's all get on with our lives. If you think Paul Rodgers is shit, if you think "Q+PR" and its "fans" are shit, if you think Brian and Roger are the Devil Incarnate, fine. Just tune out. Play your old records and CDs and videos and go on.Micrówave wrote: I WOULDN'T want to see John back. Really. Can you imagine how his chops are? I mean how many performances from John Deacon have we seen recently. It's quite possible he put the bass down and never picked it up since. You would want THAT guy holding down the low end for you?Roger hadn't drummed properly since about 1985 either. Since Queen ended Roger has been a singer, not a drummer and the QPR gigs showed that. Over amplified drum sound to cover up the fact that he can no longer play with any power. Drumming is a physical thing and Roger isn't up to it anymore (regarding of what Brian or some "Q+PR fans" might like to make out) - John wouldn't have much trouble learning the old basslines.... and to suggest that Roger, Brian or Rodgers are more able than John is fucking laughable. What would be his motivation in making new music with Brian and Roger with some old blues singer he doesn't even know anyway? He might not even rate Rodgers as a decent singer. I'm sure Brian & Roger had no intention of working with John on this anyway - perhaps John would have come on board if it was just the remaining 3 members of Queen producing new music, but it was obvious he wasn't going to tour with Rodgers singing old Queen songs and being the last to join again, then release a substandard album on the back of a sold out greatest hits arena tour. I'm sure he is fine with his lot - it's not like any of the band were great buddies or anything. The band didn't socialise outside of the band, so why would that suddenly change when the band ended? |
| JacquesDaniels 28.04.2008 17:15 |
Opinions, opinions. We all know the saying. Russian Headlong here provided a truthful look at Queen's development, albeit rather opinionated. The only reason Queen actually went on to record new music until the unfortunate end of a certain individual, was that they kept things interesting. Even if soul/disco/etc. material never got to be fan favorites, I remember Freddie saying in an interview sometime in the early 80's, something like "if it got boring, they might as well call it quits" - which is why Freddie and John did what they did. Sure, Brian and Roger provided the band some nice hits in the 80's, but I know I would've grown much more likely bored of Queen had they only been a rock band. I'm sorry to say, but Brian and Roger have hardly developed as songwriters during their careers - quite the reverse, from what I've heard. Although I'm anxiously waiting for the new album, I can't deny the uncomfortable thought that John's uninvolvement will have a surprisingly huge effect on Queen(+PR)'s sound, in a bad way. |
| ...assdude.... 39702 28.04.2008 19:23 |
PieterMC wrote:where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over.Thomas Tønnesen wrote: To the point: I read somewhere that John had started on the "Made in Heaven" project in 1993-94, but it was all deleted after Brian and Roger joined the sessions. I dont if this is true or not? But if it's true, it sounds very arrogant of Roger and Brian to do such a thing. Maybe John got upset about it and thought enough is enough...Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control. Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH. |
| Deacons 1st Choice 28.04.2008 20:46 |
PieterMC wrote: No because in the same article Roger says "John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. nobody knows where he is or what he's doing. he doesn't really like people. He sent a message when our musical 'We Will Rock You' launched in the West End saying that he approved of everything we were doing."Thanks for posting this, as it says it all really. |
| Internet Explorer 28.04.2008 22:15 |
And now this has raised the question...at least in my mind, Does John get any royalties from Queen+PR? If he does...is he entitled? If he doesn't...why? just curious. |
| PieterMC 28.04.2008 22:47 |
...ASSDUDE.... wrote:Guitar & Bass Magazine (France) - 1998PieterMC wrote: Roger and John started working on it without Brian. Brian did not like what they had done without him, so basically took control. Remember that John also recorded No One But You, which was after MIH.where..... where is this said..... about brian taking over. link "In fact, when I went on the "Back To The Light" tour, I heard that the other members of Queen had already taken the decision to go ahead with this last album, without even asking my opinion. I was even more furious than before; I was not convinced that releasing this album was a good idea. As soon as I heard the news, I contacted Roger and John to make my disapproval known to them. To that they answered, that if it didn't suit me, they would go ahead without me! I was already fuming to have been treated that way, but even that was nothing compared to the anger I had after having listened to what they had put down on tape during my absence: it was truly catastrophic! It is because of that that I found myself in the studio again, with all tapes I had, of scraps and pieces that we had not had the time to finish with Freddie. I began to work on the scarce vocal fragments existing on tape, with the program Pro-Tools, and tried to reconstitute what could have been the final version if we had continued to record "normally". After several weeks, I reconciled myself with the other members of the group, and we got back to working together to finish the project. In total, we needed eighteen months in the studio and ferocious work on computers to achieve our aim. That year and a half of diving straight in to Queen, with all that it implies, like the emotions, and to spend thousand of hours in front of a computer screen literally exhausted me. After that I need to break off for some time again before I looked again at my second album. I would not have been able to link the two projects one after the other." |
| andyhwood485 29.04.2008 03:17 |
Since starting this thread, I have purchased June's edition of Classic Rock, and I can now see that my original point was correct. It is for the first time officially said (as far as I know), that John is a recluse who has little or no contact with Brian and Roger, but he does cash the cheques that are sent to him by Queen Productions, etc. To quote Roger and Brian- Roger- 'John's welcome but if you call him, you don't always get an answer. Nobody knows where he is or what he is doing. He doesn't really like people' Roger- 'John's turned into a bit of a recluse, and if that's what he wants then who are we to pressurise him?' Brian- (chuckling) 'He accepts the odd cheque now and again, but we resepct the decision he made about his life's path' |
| thunderbolt 31742 29.04.2008 06:34 |
Russian Headlong wrote: Deacon and Freddie seemed to be the two who pushed the pop songs while Brian and Roger appered to always be the real rockers....because "Machines," "Radio Ga Ga," and "Don't Lose Your Head" were masterpieces of rock music? Roger curved hard in the direction of synth pop. None of the members "ignored" rock, so to speak, but Brian's the one who cranked out "Hammer to Fall" while the others were busy writing rockabilly, synth pop, and generally 80's stuff. |
| john bodega 29.04.2008 08:29 |
His involvment - he's throwing the launch party. Good times |
| Russian Headlong 29.04.2008 14:12 |
Fair play, Thunderbolt, RT and BM did dally with synths more, I mean check out Shove it most of it is synth rock bollox but I think while RT in particular seemed keen to experiment with synths in the 80's you know where his true tastes lie in Rock. Christ, even Priest, Maiden, Dio, Van Halen Kiss were criticised for overuse of synths in the 80's does not mean they do not rawk! John Deacon never rocked, the hardest thing he ever produced was If you can't beat them off jazz. |
| Bohemian MAY-niac/Deaconite 29.04.2008 15:43 |
Ok, I'm going to try to stay calm about this. John is my favorite member of Queen and I'm going to stick up for him now. As much as I would love to see him back and involved with the new Queen+PR project, I understand if he dosen't want to. Freddie's passing was VERY hard on him and he just wanted to be with his family. Besides, he's earned his retirement! And for some of you who think he's "Lazy", that's just absurd!!!!! He wrote some of Queen's biggest hits, he's helped the band when times were rough, and if you think about it, Queen probably wouldn't have lasted as long as they did, if they didn't have a quality Bass player, like John!!! So, let John live his golden years in peace and let him enjoy his retirement!!! He deserves it!! |
| Lisser 29.04.2008 22:00 |
John is not well...mentally. |
| john bodega 29.04.2008 23:28 |
I think you guys could save yourselves some mental exhaustion if you just look at John Deacon in the context of a normal dad pushing 60. How many of those guys mouth off in the press or release solo albums? Ding - basically none of them. Maybe David Gilmour or something. Pfft. John's just a normal shy person. The only reason he ever gets called 'recluse' or anything is because he doesn't play the rich cunt game of whoring himself out to society. He did a good enough job with 3 or 4 hit singles, and doesn't owe anyone anything anymore. At the back of my mind is a little voice that says he's absolutely insane for 'throwing it all away', because I'd love to have a bit of money like him and know that I could release shit on toast and people like us would still buy it - but, to each their own. It's sort of good that he's retired anyway, I don't want to see how he'd look in Wembley shorts on the new tour. |
| deleted user 29.04.2008 23:28 |
John Deacon is Syd Barrett We stopped hearing from John around when Syd died, we never heard John sing with Queen,to hide his true voice, and John is known for seclusion, much like Syd. |
| john bodega 29.04.2008 23:31 |
I'd say you were onto something, but as far as I know, John never bit anyone who was trying to get rent money off him. |
| Winter Land Man 29.04.2008 23:33 |
Lisser wrote: John is not well...mentally.Why do you say that Lisser? |
| inu-liger 30.04.2008 03:07 |
Lisser wrote: John is not well...mentally.Exactly what I felt, when reading the quotes and comments. Why he wouldn't want to keep in contact more often with people he spent a good 20-some years with, personally raises a concern to myself, which I'm disturbed about. I feel also, there is something Brian and Roger are still not telling us about John, but what that could be, I've no clue of course. |
| olly1988 30.04.2008 04:37 |
Or is it something John hasnt told us about Brian and Roger? They could have been complete twats with him. You never know these things. |
| Bohemian MAY-niac/Deaconite 30.04.2008 10:09 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I think you guys could save yourselves some mental exhaustion if you just look at John Deacon in the context of a normal dad pushing 60. How many of those guys mouth off in the press or release solo albums? Ding - basically none of them. Maybe David Gilmour or something. Pfft. John's just a normal shy person. The only reason he ever gets called 'recluse' or anything is because he doesn't play the rich cunt game of whoring himself out to society. He did a good enough job with 3 or 4 hit singles, and doesn't owe anyone anything anymore.Thank you!!! My point exactly. He's just a normal person like you and me, and I respect him for that! He's a big boy now. He can make his own decisions. If he dosen't want to go on tour, he dosen't have to. Let's face it, it's gotta be hard to tour when your pushing 50, 60, even 70 years old. |
| danwhite89 03.05.2008 12:51 |
olly1988 wrote: Or is it something John hasnt told us about Brian and Roger? They could have been complete twats with him. You never know these things.That. They could have been real nobs to him during the Made in Heaven recordings. And he's probably just enjoying family life now. He never really seemed too into the Rock/Celebrity scene. I mean how many interviews did he do? He just did his job to a point he felt was satisfactory, earned a lot of money in the process and just wanted to retire. Even if Brian and Roger weren't assholes to him, maybe it just never crosses his mind to call them. |
| Donna13 03.05.2008 13:56 |
Well, touring is one thing and calling someone back is another. So ... I say, why not just believe Roger? |
| Markman38 03.05.2008 14:55 |
I think John made a decission we couldn't imagine. Being in Queen is I think (and Brian said it recently) something that takes over your live. I think being in a band that is larger then live really consumes you. Look to Freddie who died of AIDS, Roger and Brian divorced. And why should John still be in the band. He could retire at an age we all woudl if we could from work. He has his memories and now he has his family. So I think he closed it with No One But You and then made a final appearance with Elton John. And that is a great point to quit. Off course I'm happy that Brian and Roger are still going strong and making new music and off course it is not the Queen I fell for 28 years ago but it's normal they still use the name it wouldnt make sense to change that. They only changed the line up. Well in my company it is very normal to go on with your work and find a replecemant if somebody quits. Just respect John Deacon and remeber the great songs he wrote and his contribution for the band we all love |
| john bodega 03.05.2008 16:33 |
Markman38 wrote: So I think he closed it with No One But You and then made a final appearance with Elton John. And that is a great point to quit.If I were him I would've walked off stage after playing with Roger Daltrey. Now THAT'S a great time to quit. I'm really wondering how the bass is going to be on the new album.. would it kill them to get a bass player in? An actual, honest to God, BASS PLAYER? It's not just Doom da doom da doom. I've played my own bass on everything I've ever recorded, and it's nice, it's lyrical, and solid.... but, I'm not a bass player and I never will be. There's a difference. Here's hoping they hire one. |
| QueenZeppelin 03.05.2008 20:53 |
I think Freddie was John's in-studio champion. The other two were never really hot on his ideas--Roger disliked (at first) Another One Bites the Dust, Brian disliked his Hot Space tracks--but Freddie believed in John, took up his tracks, and fought for them and worked hard for them like they were his own. John is not a confrontational or charismatic person and would not fight like that for his own tracks. He was very modest and unarrogant, and I think with Freddie gone, he realizes he wouldn't be able to really get any of his ideas across to the other two, who probably wouldn't be fans of it I mean, I think there are many reasons why he chooses retirement as opposed to writing new music with Queen. But that's one I haven't seen mentioned yet. |
| Deacons 1st Choice 04.05.2008 20:51 |
Well said. Makes one think, does it not? I will say this though: John has complete charisma...and then some! :) |
| Markman38 08.05.2008 01:13 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Well I believe Brian stated one or more times that they are playing bass themselves so Roger can get his hands on strings again ha ha ha.Markman38 wrote: So I think he closed it with No One But You and then made a final appearance with Elton John. And that is a great point to quit.If I were him I would've walked off stage after playing with Roger Daltrey. Now THAT'S a great time to quit. I'm really wondering how the bass is going to be on the new album.. would it kill them to get a bass player in? An actual, honest to God, BASS PLAYER? It's not just Doom da doom da doom. I've played my own bass on everything I've ever recorded, and it's nice, it's lyrical, and solid.... but, I'm not a bass player and I never will be. There's a difference. Here's hoping they hire one. I think you're right Zebonla playing with Roger Daltrey and quit then is even a better way then playing with Elthon John in fact I wish John Deacon would become the new bass player of The Who but that band is more active then Queem the last years. I can only hope that the new album is just as good as Enless Wire :-) By the way if you need a bass player....I'm one :-) |
| bowiegirl 20.05.2008 14:32 |
Eh ok I'm kind of confused Did John do something wrong?? Why are people saying he died and the next he might be on the Queen album??? WTF. Someone please explain or just message me Thanks, Appreciate it |