Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 11:59 |
Prove me wrong |
LozlanTheMage 12.04.2008 12:02 |
? |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 12:09 |
LozlanTheMage wrote: ?well, i just thought about how some people think they are so good and never think of themselves and arent selfish when in fact EVERYONE is selfish. There isnt a single human being who isnt selfish. |
Lester Burnham 12.04.2008 12:27 |
Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 12:32 |
Lester Burnham wrote:of course im selfish too, everyone is, but besides being selfish i also tell it how it is. If my band sucked i wouldnt have claimed its good because deep inside i would know that it sucked but the reality is that it doesnt and thats also a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
Sergei. 12.04.2008 14:00 |
I suggest you worry about dealing with your own psychosis and let everyone else worry about themselves. |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 14:06 |
<font color=teal>Sergei?<h6>Impresario wrote: I suggest you worry about dealing with your own psychosis and let everyone else worry about themselves.you still couldnt prove me wrong. |
john bodega 12.04.2008 14:47 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Proving Treasure Moment wrong has been your full time job since you joined this forum.<font color=teal>Sergei?<h6>Impresario wrote: I suggest you worry about dealing with your own psychosis and let everyone else worry about themselves.you still couldnt prove me wrong. Why should we interrupt? |
shoemanbundy 12.04.2008 15:25 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Claiming everything as fact that benefits your image is also ARROGANCE, which you have plenty of. Prove me wrong how most here besides you at least aren't as arrogant. Cuz you are. In fact, that's a fact, jack.Lester Burnham wrote:of course im selfish too, everyone is, but besides being selfish i also tell it how it is. If my band sucked i wouldnt have claimed its good because deep inside i would know that it sucked but the reality is that it doesnt and thats also a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 16:25 |
shoemanbundy wrote:what i do that most people here dont is to think logically, they automatically dismiss things without really explaining why it isnt the way im saying. tell me how what im saying about the selfishness isnt true, im open for discussionTreasure Moment wrote:Claiming everything as fact that benefits your image is also ARROGANCE, which you have plenty of. Prove me wrong how most here besides you at least aren't as arrogant. Cuz you are. In fact, that's a fact, jack.Lester Burnham wrote:of course im selfish too, everyone is, but besides being selfish i also tell it how it is. If my band sucked i wouldnt have claimed its good because deep inside i would know that it sucked but the reality is that it doesnt and thats also a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
AspiringPhilosophe 12.04.2008 16:41 |
Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric: * Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument. * Argument from "authority". * Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision). * Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence). * Special pleading (typically referring to god's will). * Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased). * Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses). * Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes). * Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!) * Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved"). * Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down. * Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect. * Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?). * Excluded middle -considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is). * Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?"). * Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle -unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile). * Confusion of correlation and causation. * Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack. * Suppressed evidence or half-truths. * Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public" . In this case you are using appeal to ignorance. Because it cannot be proven wrong does not make it true...it simply means that it cannot be proven. My suggestion is that you think about all of these things the next time you open your mouth, and work through it like a check list. You'd be surprised how quickly you will improve. |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 16:54 |
history sheep girl, why cant it be proven? ive already proven it and you dont have an argument against it. explain how people arent selfish, is it that hard? |
shoemanbundy 12.04.2008 17:07 |
Maybe because you can't explain it simply in one sentence? What makes you think EVERYONE is alike to begin with? You can't just give one explanation and have it apply to everyone on earth, everyone is different. But of course you don't know that. You must think you're "Special" :) |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 17:10 |
shoemanbundy wrote: Maybe because you can't explain it simply in one sentence? What makes you think EVERYONE is alike to begin with? You can't just give one explanation and have it apply to everyone on earth, everyone is different. But of course you don't know that. You must think you're "Special" :)yes everyone is different BUT they are work from gaining something for themselves, everything they ever do is selfish by the 2 different methods i described, its just common sense. I dont understand why its so hard to believe that. everything a person ever does is for him/herself. Just give an example of an act that isnt selfish and my point will become invalid |
The Real Wizard 12.04.2008 17:50 |
Treasure Moment wrote: im open for discussionNo, you're not. You just attack anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinions. |
Janet 12.04.2008 18:04 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Hit nail squarely on head!Treasure Moment wrote: im open for discussionNo, you're not. You just attack anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinions. |
StoneColdClassicQueen 12.04.2008 19:59 |
What's your damn point? You won't take any proof of anything, so why bother "proving you wrong"? I'm not even going to try to knock some sense into you. You're narcissistic about your own band saying that they're good, so you're in no freakin position calling others selfish. This post is facetious.. |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 20:13 |
StoneColdClassicQueen wrote: What's your damn point? You won't take any proof of anything, so why bother "proving you wrong"? I'm not even going to try to knock some sense into you. You're narcissistic about your own band saying that they're good, so you're in no freakin position calling others selfish. This post is facetious..im not saying im not selfish, of course i am but so is every single human being. |
Yankovic 12.04.2008 20:15 |
Hallå där. Jag känner mig kränkt. Jag är inte självisk. Alla från din stad är töntiga själviska lappar. I min stad är jag kung och har slavar som arbetar för mig. Är det själviskt? Vill du veta vilken stad jag bor i så får du kolla på min presentation. |
AspiringPhilosophe 12.04.2008 20:28 |
Exactly what part of this is difficult for you to understand? You say "EVERYONE is selfish including YOU! prove me wrong". That includes the assumption that if no one can "prove you wrong", you are right. Look VERY carefully at the logical fallacy I pointed out for you...THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE. Wait, maybe that's the issue. Let me rephrase it for you: Just because evidence cannot be provided to prove something wrong does not automatically mean the statement uttered is right. That's like saying, "Because there hasn't been a terrorist attack on the US since 9-11 it means the Patriot Act is working." This is logically wrong because it cannot be proven that the Patriot Act prevented another attack on America. The only thing that is proven is that there has not been an attack. It's possible that the terrorist haven't had the money or manpower to plan another one; it's also possible that the Patriot Act stopped an attack; but it's also possible that any attempted attack would have failed without the Patriot Act for other unplanned reasons (death of the participant, etc). You cannot automatically tie B to A if you cannot demonstrate the tie exists. Now, you say "EVERYONE is selfish including YOU! prove me wrong". What you are saying is that if you cannot be proven wrong, then you are right. That's not at all what it means, because it is MAYBE just a LITTLE possible that people don't want to argue with you because arguing with a blockhead is not the most fun activity. The heart and soul of debate is an open-mindedness, a willingness to accept it when you are proven wrong. You have repeatedly demonstrated, and Sir GH has so perfectly expressed the fact that you are not open to being proven wrong, because when you are you resort to another logical fallacy, ATTACKING THE ARGUER (Notice you still referred to me as "Sheep"). Why would anyone bother arguing with a person who isn't willing to admit they are wrong? Might as well be arguing with a dead person. You'll notice the circular nature of the argument then; since no proof would ever be good enough for you, there would be no way for you to admit defeat even if it were staring at you in the face. Now somewhere in your head you've decided that this makes you look strong and intelligent because you never lose the argument. When the truth is, you merely look like an idiot trying desperately to cling to some inner picture of strength. Our opinions on the matter of selfishness are irrelevant, because we know there is no point to expressing them. A lot of us here (myself, Sir GH, Joxer and others) love to engage in good, intellectual conversation and debates, which is why we still continue to give you the time of day. We are hoping that some day you will grow up enough to enter the adult arena of debate and intellectual conversation. That is why no one will debate this issue with you, TM. Your behavior has turned us all off to the idea, so we have our own debates within our group because we know how to handle it in a constructive manner. So do not blame anyone but yourself for the fact that no one will ever debate with you; you drove everyone away. I merely point out to you that the unwillingness of us to debate with you does not mean you are right; it means we recognize the futility of dealing with you and decide to expend our creative energies elsewhere, instead of wasting time on you. |
Treasure Moment 12.04.2008 20:36 |
i agree with you on the things you say about the example of patriot act but this is not the same thing. This can be proven by simply thinking logical and the question is, IS THERE A PERSON WHO DOESNT ACT ON SELFISHNESS? its a simple question, you just need to give an example on how a persons act isnt selfish, is it so hard to do that? just give me an example of an act that isnt selfish and then my theory becomes invalid. I would admit if i was wrong if you could prove me wrong and if you did i would say it. |
Yankovic 12.04.2008 20:59 |
Jag är inte självisk. Jag betalar stora summor till mina slavar. 10kr i månaden! |
Maz 12.04.2008 21:10 |
Species survival denotes selfishness - but then you're acting like a fifteen-year-old who just learned a new fact without any consideration for its implications. But if the most responses in a thread you started are from yourself, then you're not too concerned with other people's opinions. |
AspiringPhilosophe 12.04.2008 22:13 |
Here Here Maz...I wish I could chat with you a little more! You are truly reasoned human being. Because I'm feeling particularly generous tonight, I'll answer your "prompt" TM. I personally agree that humans are selfish. As Maz pointed out, survival of the species requires it. Try all you like to ignore basic instincts and biology, but you won't succeed. In addition, in a capitalistic economic system (such as the US), selfishness is encouraged for economic gain and prestige. However, this fact that humans are selfish means nothing; it is just like saying Humans are Mammals or Humans can't breathe under water without aid of machines. So what? Since all of us are selfish, there is no need to parade it around like it's a horrible thing. It's natural. The true test becomes recognizing the selfishness that is inside of you and trying to fight it when you can. This doesn't mean that you berate yourself for it (again, it's natural) or that you should put the needs of others in a crisis situation before your own. In order to create a better world, people simply need to recognize that we are all selfish, but that we are all part of the human race, so we should TRY and remember that we are not the only people on the planet. Selfishness can even be a good thing in certain cases; there are many cases of people who are diagnosed with a disease like cancer, and give a ton of money into research for the disease for the selfish reason of wanting to be cured themselves. But the money they give also helps others with the disease and advances research. But then it becomes a question of motive vs. outcome, and I do not intend to get into a "debate" with you about that. But the way you are phrased the question, wanting a human act that isn't selfish, is easy to take down. There was recently a Marine who was given the Congressional Medal of Honor here in the US because he did something that can in no way be considered selfish. When a grenade was thrown into his battalion, he had a choice to try to get the others to run away, picking it up and throwing it away, or laying on it to give his life, but also using his body to absorb the blow of the grenade and therefore save the lives of his battalion mates. He chose the last option, giving his life for the sake of his unit. This is an unselfish act, which is all you asked for. Whether or not the act was truly unselfish cannot be answered as we cannot know his thought process and motivations when he did it. |
shoemanbundy 12.04.2008 22:21 |
We all know no matter how well written and thought a response is, he'll only refute back with "no it's a FACT and you're just not openminded" =/ |
john bodega 13.04.2008 01:12 |
Treasure Moment wrote: everything a person ever does is for him/herself. Just give an example of an act that isnt selfish and my point will become invalidI gave my Robocop DVD away yesterday and my nephew didn't say thanks and it didn't make me feel good at all. Where's the gain in that? Example, please. |
The Real Wizard 13.04.2008 01:36 |
Janet wrote:Good! I know I'm doing alright when one of the wisest members of the forum thinks I make some sense.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Hit nail squarely on head!Treasure Moment wrote: im open for discussionNo, you're not. You just attack anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded opinions. |
john bodega 13.04.2008 03:18 |
I think it's selfish that he won't let me hear "Warrior". |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 13.04.2008 04:21 |
Fuck you! |
Treasure Moment 13.04.2008 06:03 |
Haggis McShagPants wrote: I think it's selfish that he won't let me hear "Warrior".i agree with you there |
Sweetie 13.04.2008 08:58 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Are you on drugs?Lester Burnham wrote:of course im selfish too, everyone is, but besides being selfish i also tell it how it is. If my band sucked i wouldnt have claimed its good because deep inside i would know that it sucked but the reality is that it doesnt and thats also a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
Sweetie 13.04.2008 09:01 |
Treasure Moment wrote: everything a person ever does is for him/herself. Just give an example of an act that isnt selfish and my point will become invalidHow about sex then? That's not just for the one person, you do it for both of you, but of course, you wouldn't know about that, would you? Lonely old git you are. |
Treasure Moment 13.04.2008 09:56 |
<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:no, why?Treasure Moment wrote:Are you on drugs?Lester Burnham wrote:of course im selfish too, everyone is, but besides being selfish i also tell it how it is. If my band sucked i wouldnt have claimed its good because deep inside i would know that it sucked but the reality is that it doesnt and thats also a fact.Treasure Moment wrote: well, i just thought about how some people think they are so goodSo you're talking about your band then huh OH ZING I TOTALLY WENT THERE!!! P.S.: THAT'S A FACT |
Treasure Moment 13.04.2008 09:57 |
<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:yeah, when having sex you are thinking of the other person, you are sooo right, get a brain! you are EXTREMELY stupid!Treasure Moment wrote: everything a person ever does is for him/herself. Just give an example of an act that isnt selfish and my point will become invalidHow about sex then? That's not just for the one person, you do it for both of you, but of course, you wouldn't know about that, would you? Lonely old git you are. yes im lonely like you, we have something in common |
Poo, again 13.04.2008 10:34 |
TM. Your mother's a fact. |
Treasure Moment 13.04.2008 10:50 |
<font color=pink>Poo wrote: TM. Your mother's a fact.so is yours, they are all facts |
Poo, again 13.04.2008 12:22 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Your mother is extra fact.<font color=pink>Poo wrote: TM. Your mother's a fact.so is yours, they are all facts |
QueenMercury46 13.04.2008 17:37 |
Treasure Moment, why don't you provide a decent response as to why you are NOT selfish? |
QueenMercury46 13.04.2008 17:39 |
Treasure Moment wrote: i agree with you on the things you say about the example of patriot act but this is not the same thing. This can be proven by simply thinking logical and the question is, IS THERE A PERSON WHO DOESNT ACT ON SELFISHNESS? its a simple question, you just need to give an example on how a persons act isnt selfish, is it so hard to do that? just give me an example of an act that isnt selfish and then my theory becomes invalid. I would admit if i was wrong if you could prove me wrong and if you did i would say it.link |
Treasure Moment 13.04.2008 19:06 |
<font color="sky blue">QueenMercury46 wrote: Treasure Moment, why don't you provide a decent response as to why you are NOT selfish?when did i say im not selfish? of course i am |
Sweetie 14.04.2008 04:08 |
Treasure Moment wrote: yes im lonely like you, we have something in commonBut I have Mathew, which makes you a lonely old git that knows absolutely nothing. That's a FACT. |
Treasure Moment 14.04.2008 07:12 |
<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:get lost silly 15 year old, i assume you are somewhere like that. Is the entire Queen forum made of small kids?Treasure Moment wrote: yes im lonely like you, we have something in commonBut I have Mathew, which makes you a lonely old git that knows absolutely nothing. That's a FACT. |
pittrek 14.04.2008 08:03 |
I'm a selfish bastard. So ? |
Treasure Moment 14.04.2008 08:11 |
pittrek wrote: I'm a selfish bastard. So ?nothing, i was just making a point that everyone is because some think they arent. |
Sweetie 14.04.2008 08:23 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Almost 15, anyways, are you just jealous because I'm not a sad old sod like you? (I love Brittish 'swears' =p)<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:get lost silly 15 year old, i assume you are somewhere like that. Is the entire Queen forum made of small kids?Treasure Moment wrote: yes im lonely like you, we have something in commonBut I have Mathew, which makes you a lonely old git that knows absolutely nothing. That's a FACT. |
Treasure Moment 14.04.2008 08:51 |
<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:haha i just guessed that you are 15 and i was right :D no im not jealous of your age, ive already been there and when i was 15 the world was alot more fun that it is now so im not jealous one bit.Treasure Moment wrote:Almost 15, anyways, are you just jealous because I'm not a sad old sod like you? (I love Brittish 'swears' =p)<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:get lost silly 15 year old, i assume you are somewhere like that. Is the entire Queen forum made of small kids?Treasure Moment wrote: yes im lonely like you, we have something in commonBut I have Mathew, which makes you a lonely old git that knows absolutely nothing. That's a FACT. |
Poo, again 14.04.2008 11:14 |
It's human nature. We're all selfish. Now, don't tell me you just realized it. Are you proud of yourself? Go you. It certainly required enough attention for a thread to be made. What's next, "FIRE is HOT!", "WATER is LIQUID" or maybe "IRANIANS have BIG NOSES!"? Try "TREASURE MOMENT SUCKS". |
john bodega 14.04.2008 12:27 |
I'm donating this thread to charity. I sure as hell don't want it anymore. Is that selfish? |
Killer Queenie 14.04.2008 12:30 |
Treasure Moment wrote:That makes absolutely no sence what so ever.LozlanTheMage wrote: ?well, i just thought about how some people think they are so good and never think of themselves and arent selfish when in fact EVERYONE is selfish. There isnt a single human being who isnt selfish. |
Killer Queenie 14.04.2008 12:33 |
*edit* Doesn't matter |
Lady Nyx 14.04.2008 16:16 |
“I'm sorry, i don't want to be an emperor, its not my business. I don't want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible, Jew, gentile, black man, white. We all want to help one another; human beings are like that. We want to live by each others happiness, not by each others misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. For this world is ruled for everyone, and the good earth is rich, and can provide for everyone. And the way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate. Who has stepped us into misery and bloodshed, we have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in, machinery that gives abundance, has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard, and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More the machinery, we need humanity more than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life would be violent. And all will be lost. The aeroplane and radio have brought us closer together, the very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men. Cries out for universal brotherhood, for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men women and little children. Victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. For those who can hear me i say: do not despair. The misery that is now upon us is not the passing of greed, but bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die. And the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never parish. Soldiers! Don't give yourselves to brutes! Men who despise you and slave you! Who regiment your lives! Tell you what to do, what to think or what to feel? Who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle? Use you as cannon fire! Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men! These machine men! With machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate! Only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers! Don't fight for slavery, fight for liberty! In the 17th chapter of St. Luke it is written: the kingdom of God is within man, not one man nor a group of men, but in all men! In you! You the people have the power! The power to create machines, the power to create happiness. You the people have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure! Then in the name of democracy, let us use that power! Let us all unite! Let us fight for a new world, a decent world, that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age a security, by the promise of these things brutes have risen to power, but they lie, they have not fulfilled that promise they never will! Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people! Now let us fight to fulfill that promise, let us fight to free the world! To do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason! A world where science and progress will lead to all mens happiness. Soldiers! In the name of democracy, let us all unite! -charlie chaplin in 'the great dictator' my favorite monologues of all time :) |
Sweetie 15.04.2008 20:04 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I said ALMOST 15 which means you were still wrong =)<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:haha i just guessed that you are 15 and i was right :D no im not jealous of your age, ive already been there and when i was 15 the world was alot more fun that it is now so im not jealous one bit.Treasure Moment wrote:Almost 15, anyways, are you just jealous because I'm not a sad old sod like you? (I love Brittish 'swears' =p)<Font color=Puce>Deakys |©|<h6>Microwa? wrote:get lost silly 15 year old, i assume you are somewhere like that. Is the entire Queen forum made of small kids?Treasure Moment wrote: yes im lonely like you, we have something in commonBut I have Mathew, which makes you a lonely old git that knows absolutely nothing. That's a FACT. I never said of my age anyways, I was saying that you're a sad old git that has absolutely no idea of how to actually write good music, you know nothing of socializing (Even on the net) AND you're a complete numb nuts that everybody probably hates =) |
Yara 15.04.2008 20:34 |
Dedicated to a good friend from Scotland: "How selfish soever man may be supposed, there are evidently some principles in his nature, which interest him in the fortune of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it except the pleasure of seeing it. Of this kind is pity or compassion, the emotion which we feel for the misery of others, when we either see it, or are made to conceive it in a very lively manner. That we often derive sorrow from the sorrow of others, is a matter of fact too obvious to require any instances to prove it; for this sentiment, like all the other original passions of human nature, is by no means confined to the virtuous and humane, though they perhaps may feel it with the most exquisite sensibility. The greatest ruffian, the most hardened violator of the laws of society, is not altogether without it". (Adam Smith, Theory of Moral Sentiments, Chapt1: Of Sympathy) I agree with him. By the way, this is from the guy who's supposed to have created the more "selfish" economic theory ever, isn't? |
Yogurt 16.04.2008 08:16 |
it's only in human nature to be selfish at times.... what determins wether we are is if we are like that all the time... |
Treasure Moment 16.04.2008 09:42 |
Yogurt<br><font size=1>The Artist wrote: it's only in human nature to be selfish at times.... what determins wether we are is if we are like that all the time...not at times but at all times. |
Leaky Luke 16.04.2008 10:21 |
If everyone is selfish. What's the point of making a topic about it, when we all know the info? |
deleted user 16.04.2008 15:09 |
Wait. You JUST realized I was selfish? What took you so long, fool? |
QueenMercury46 16.04.2008 21:25 |
He just wants to shove his ego down all our throats. So ignore the bastard. |
Treasure Moment 17.04.2008 07:07 |
<font color="sky blue">QueenMercury46 wrote: He just wants to shove his ego down all our throats. So ignore the bastard.no, i just wanted to say that you people call me ego but EVERYONE is including you! |