| RoyThomasBaker 10.04.2008 19:17 |
Hi, got this on a trade, thought of sharing with you, fellow Queenzoners. Got no more info but what’s mentioned below. I have uploaded it on Rapidshare so… take your time :) (Maybe someone will be so kind to torrent this or send it through Mediafire for the ones who don’t like RS). Date: 1978.Apr.30 Venue: Hallenstadion, Zürich, Switzerland Quality: Very Good Size: 705 Mb Disc 1 1. We Will Rock You (slow & fast) 2. Brighton Rock 3. Somebody To Love 4. Death On Two Legs 5. Killer Queen 6. Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy 7. I'm In Love With My Car 8. Get Down, Make Love 9. The Millionaire Waltz 10. You're My Best Friend 11. Spread Your Wings Disc 2 1. It’s Late 2. Now I'm Here 3. Love Of My Life 4. ' 39 5. My Melancholy Blues 6. White Man 7. Guitar Solo 8. The Prophet's Song 9. Stone Cold Crazy 10. Bohemian Rhapsody 11. Keep Yourself Alive 12. Tie Your Mother Down 13. We Will Rock You 14. We Are The Champions 15. Audience 16. Sheer Heart Attack 17. Jailhouse Rock (cut) 18. God Save The Queen http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GIJVEEL2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NGTJXT1K |
| Vali 10.04.2008 19:24 |
Wow! didn´t have this one! moito obrigado ! |
| The Real Wizard 11.04.2008 00:40 |
link Which source is this? Is it a compilation of 2 or 3 sources? Of all shows, this one really needs proper labelling. |
| maggiko foka 11.04.2008 03:59 |
can you please reupload these to rapidshare.com; i cannot connect to rapidshare.de link link ThanXaloT Stefano |
| Luanda Queen 11.04.2008 09:18 |
Txs very much |
| Guild84BHM1 11.04.2008 13:28 |
Torrent please? |
| RoyThomasBaker 11.04.2008 14:21 |
maggiko foka wrote: can you please reupload these to rapidshare.com; i cannot connect to rapidshare.de link link ThanXaloT StefanoOK, here they are: link link |
| patronus87 11.04.2008 14:43 |
Exist the torrent file? |
| maggiko foka 11.04.2008 14:48 |
THANXXXXXXXX ! |
| TimBHM 11.04.2008 15:57 |
Excellent! Thanks RTB! |
| The Real Wizard 11.04.2008 16:14 |
Ok... it's a combination of three sources, all high gen. Honestly, the fact that about three people here care about this kind of stuff might as well mean this place doesn't deserve to hear the transfers of the master copies. Flame me all you want, but it's the honest truth. In the history of this website, how many tapers have come rushing here to share their master recordings, knowing the Queen community will appreciate them for what they are? Feel free to discuss this, but the answer is zero. Thank goodness a few of them have flogged out to Dime and TTD. |
| Queenrockyou 11.04.2008 16:46 |
Thanks Roy ! And Thanks a lot Bob for the explanation. Do we have more details about these three sources ? Regards, Olivier, France. |
| Stone Cold Leo'82 B.R. 11.04.2008 17:09 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Ok... it's a combination of three sources, all high gen. Honestly, the fact that about three people here care about this kind of stuff might as well mean this place doesn't deserve to hear the transfers of the master copies. Flame me all you want, but it's the honest truth. In the history of this website, how many tapers have come rushing here to share their master recordings, knowing the Queen community will appreciate them for what they are? Feel free to discuss this, but the answer is zero. Thank goodness a few of them have flogged out to Dime and TTD.Bob, I'm interested! :-) Probably because the best source come from Marino, a friend of mine who (lucky devil) saw (and record) them in Zurich... Every post written by you (even it's for posting some compilation or some great release or for commenting some) are like a bible for me, and for many others I'm sure! :-) Stone Cold Leo'82 B.R. P.S: the "Marino tape" can't be high generation because saw the light of the day in 2002/2003 and (i think) was spread only on cds (the "generation" is only for tapes, right?) |
| The Real Wizard 11.04.2008 17:42 |
Well, I just feel a bit pessimistic when I see topics like this. Of course I know a few people like you do care. And to be positive, at least this share was lossless. The main source of this version here is at least 1-2 tape generations from the master (Marino's). Much of the clarity of the master isn't there. Details of the three sources are on my website. |
| Bobby_brown 11.04.2008 18:32 |
Thanks for sharing. Take care |
| on my way up 12.04.2008 16:11 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Ok... it's a combination of three sources, all high gen. Honestly, the fact that about three people here care about this kind of stuff might as well mean this place doesn't deserve to hear the transfers of the master copies. Flame me all you want, but it's the honest truth. In the history of this website, how many tapers have come rushing here to share their master recordings, knowing the Queen community will appreciate them for what they are? Feel free to discuss this, but the answer is zero. Thank goodness a few of them have flogged out to Dime and TTD.You are absolutely right. There are some great examples: Vancouver'78, Portland'74. That are 2 incredible Queen recordings that emerged the last 2 years and they both first appeared at TTD and dime. You would expect these here. There are other examples(London'84 shows). We should think about what other recordings might exist! Because of our sloppy attitude we don't get these. If changing the rules here would give us more(even if it was only 1 show), it would be worth it. I recently listened to Vancouver'78 and I was so happy that that show came out. It's fantastic and there might be more.... I'm a die-hard Queen fan but I also love other music and the thing I sometimes read is: 'Queen is an amazing band but such a shame the Queen collectors sit on their recordings'. I also got the impression there are many Queen fans very focussed on Queen and not interested in other music. Just trying to get as much Queen as possible(even without being really interested in the actual music on it). Then I wonder, is that a sign of love for the music? I don't think so. |
| vivequeen 13.04.2008 16:20 |
MERCI BEAUCOUP |
| pittrek 14.04.2008 12:37 |
Stone Cold Leo'82 B.R. wrote: Bob, I'm interested! :-) Probably because the best source come from Marino, a friend of mine who (lucky devil) saw (and record) them in Zurich...That lucky devil :-) the "Marino tape" can't be high generation because saw the light of the day in 2002/2003 and (i think) was spread only on cds (the "generation" is only for tapes, right?)CD(r) to CR(r) copy is lossless in ideal conditions, but often there are a lot of digital copy errors, that's why cdr generations are prohibited on most sites |
| pittrek 14.04.2008 12:40 |
on my way up wrote: I'm a die-hard Queen fan but I also love other music and the thing I sometimes read is: 'Queen is an amazing band but such a shame the Queen collectors sit on their recordings'.When I hear or read something like this I imagine James Hettfield screaming "Sad But True" I also got the impression there are many Queen fans very focussed on Queen and not interested in other music.And a bunch of teenage girls obsessed with Queen members, especially Freddie and Roger Just trying to get as much Queen as possible(even without being really interested in the actual music on it). Then I wonder, is that a sign of love for the music? I don't think so.No, it's a sign of a mental illness called "collectorship" :-) |
| YourValentine 14.04.2008 15:28 |
RoyThomasBaker wrote: Hi, got this on a trade, thought of sharing with you, fellow Queenzoners. Got no more info but what’s mentioned below. ..."Got no more info but what’s mentioned below" RTB shares what he has and he says he does not have any info. Why bash the sharer who offers what he has? Should he invent a lineage? No need to hijack this thread with the old "I want the lineage and TTD is so much better" tirades. No need to bash other people who collect what they want the way they want. I really would like to know who is the "mentally ill" part here. There is no such thing as *the* "Queen community", we all have our priorities and interests. We have our friends and our "net locals" and you cannot control what people do on the net. Even EMI is unable to contain their unreleased material, so how do you expect to tell people what they can do on QZ, the hub, emule and elsewhere - it's impossible. When a fan does not know the generation of the recording he received - does that mean he does not like the music? And if I copy a CD-R to another CD - am I destroying the joy another fan gets from his CDs? I think not. It would be nice if people relaxed a bit and remembered that Queen music is a hobby and should be fun. There is a very unnecessary hostility which is really bad for the sharing spirit. |
| Queenrockyou 14.04.2008 16:42 |
True, I agree with YourValentine, Roy shared what he had, and it was unfortunately without the lineage. Some shares were in lesser quality than this one ! But I also agree with the other remarks made, the " We have to tend to perfection to be sure not to spoil quality" attitude, as I become more and more interested in live work, both from the band and the tapers, sharers and so on. Lineage IS important, probably not for the beginner, but it still important for a good number of people. This topic was anyway a perfect way for beginners to know what is a lineage and why it can be important. It also shows the difference between Queenzone and other fan sharing communities from other bands, who are very obsessive about quality. We can see a bad side in that attitude, being the difficulty for anyone to jump on the bandwagon and follow the discussions and so on, but the real good point is the perfect quality (as far as the sharing move is concerned) and respect (it is mainly made to respect other fans), and reference aspect, which Queenzone can show sometimes anyway. These other websites always show that if I understand clearly what is said. So no offence to Roy, you can continue to share with us! In case someone miss some information in a share, I'm quite sure the community will agree to add its contribution and information if needed. What's important in here is to remember that such work can be avoided by keeoing the info files we get when downloading the concerts here, in order to pass the information to someone else and so on... The more information we keep, the less researches we have to do. Regards, Olivier, France. |
| on my way up 14.04.2008 16:42 |
YourValentine wrote:Queen's music and music in general is my hobby indeed. I like getting good stuff and that's what it's about. It's very nice from the uploader to share this recording but it would be even better if we had the best version of this show in circulation, for more people to enjoy. That's what sharing is about, giving other people the opportunity to enjoy great recordings.RoyThomasBaker wrote: Hi, got this on a trade, thought of sharing with you, fellow Queenzoners. Got no more info but what’s mentioned below. ..."Got no more info but what’s mentioned below" RTB shares what he has and he says he does not have any info. Why bash the sharer who offers what he has? Should he invent a lineage? No need to hijack this thread with the old "I want the lineage and TTD is so much better" tirades. No need to bash other people who collect what they want the way they want. I really would like to know who is the "mentally ill" part here. There is no such thing as *the* "Queen community", we all have our priorities and interests. We have our friends and our "net locals" and you cannot control what people do on the net. Even EMI is unable to contain their unreleased material, so how do you expect to tell people what they can do on QZ, the hub, emule and elsewhere - it's impossible. When a fan does not know the generation of the recording he received - does that mean he does not like the music? And if I copy a CD-R to another CD - am I destroying the joy another fan gets from his CDs? I think not. It would be nice if people relaxed a bit and remembered that Queen music is a hobby and should be fun. There is a very unnecessary hostility which is really bad for the sharing spirit. I don't think there's any bashing going on actually. You make it sound worse than it is. There are just people with quality standards, the kind of standards that make up the rules on other great sharing sites. |
| The Real Wizard 15.04.2008 03:25 |
YourValentine wrote: There is no such thing as *the* "Queen community"And you have perfectly pin-pointed the core problem. Indeed, for the most part, this is not a community. Almost everyone here does their own thing, while the thriving trading communities of other bands all act together in their interests to pursue and locate the best recording(s) of each show, not just any recording that can be spread for the sake of spreading it. Multiple versions only add to the confusion, complicating the search for the best one. Everyone who downloads music here should at least have a look at sites like yeeshkul, zappateers, and royal-orleans just to see how things are done there, so they can compare community types A and B - the quality of recordings, their documentation, the number of new recordings that have emerged in the last few years, and the overall appreciation for these things. The differences are astounding. Sure, A can be great on its own, but can one maintain that view while understanding what the potential of what B can be? And if I copy a CD-R to another CD - am I destroying the joy another fan gets from his CDs?In a way, yes. Tracking down a copy with less CDR gens minimizes the chances of there being digital errors, which maximizes the potential enjoyment of the recording by that fan. Again, it's another A vs B. Should we be complacent with A, or aim for B? When a fan does not know the generation of the recording he received - does that mean he does not like the music?Of course not. But it does mean the sharer could do a bit of homework to find out if there is known lineage - with the community's encouragement. That's why we have websites with information about live recordings, created by people with a lot of experience and knowledge on the matter. If a master recording exists from a particular show like this one, why spread an unmarked gen copy? Search for the master. Ask people how they know about it, where it originated, and if they have a copy and are willing to share it. Or maybe they'll find someone who knows who has it. With a bit of effort, maybe it will be shared. Who doesn't win this way? Maybe in light of this post some people will be inspired to ask questions. Maybe I have the master copy. Maybe I should challenge the community to show an interest in it. How about 50 people asking for it to be shared? It's actually not that unreasonable, as hundreds would download it without even saying thank you. The people are there. But what kind of people? People who just point and click at anything that's thrown their way, or people who truly understand the value of a master clone being added to their collection? I think it's a perfectly fair challenge in order to find out. If people care, this topic will be ten pages, full of positive posts. We are slowly getting past the "date and venue" mentality, moving towards a lineage-conscious mentality. Hopefully this topic will take it one step further in developing this *community*, not this bunch of individuals. The first step is for the community to speak up to enforce lossless-only sharing, and then to indicate their interest in this common goal to spread only the best recordings. Then the shares will come. The spirit of sharing has always been here. I've never debated that. But why not enhance it? What is there to lose? |
| YourValentine 15.04.2008 04:58 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:If a master recording exists from a particular show like this one, why spread an unmarked gen copy? Search for the master. Ask people how they know about it, where it originated, and if they have a copy and are willing to share it. Or maybe they'll find someone who knows who has it. With a bit of effort, maybe it will be shared. Who doesn't win this way? Maybe in light of this post some people will be inspired to ask questions. Maybe I have the master copy. Maybe I should challenge the community to show an interest in it. How about 50 people asking for it to be shared? It's actually not that unreasonable, as hundreds would download it without even saying thank you. The people are there. But what kind of people? People who just point and click at anything that's thrown their way, or people who truly understand the value of a master clone being added to their collection? I think it's a perfectly fair challenge in order to find out. If people care, this topic will be ten pages, full of positive posts. We are slowly getting past the "date and venue" mentality, moving towards a lineage-conscious mentality. Hopefully this topic will take it one step further in developing this *community*, not this bunch of individuals. The first step is for the community to speak up to enforce lossless-only sharing, and then to indicate their interest in this common goal to spread only the best recordings. Then the shares will come. The spirit of sharing has always been here. I've never debated that. But why not enhance it? What is there to lose?What you describe in the first paragraph is collecting, not downloading and not every fan of live music is a collector. That's just a fact - many fans just don't have the means or the incentive to collect but they are grateful for what is offered on this website. |
| pittrek 15.04.2008 05:24 |
Well actually that's why some of us prefer sites like ttd and dime, those are sites for "collectors" and this is for "only fans" :-) Does it make sense ? |
| argie1971 15.04.2008 06:09 |
pittrek wrote: Well actually that's why some of us prefer sites like ttd and dime, those are sites for "collectors" and this is for "only fans" :-) Does it make sense ?Yes |
| The Real Wizard 15.04.2008 11:04 |
YourValentine wrote: What you describe in the first paragraph is collecting, not downloading and not every fan of live music is a collector. That's just a fact - many fans just don't have the means or the incentive to collect but they are grateful for what is offered on this website.Looking on websites for information is not collecting. Everyone who can post/download on this website is able to go to other ones. You, as a Queen collector, equate looking for new recordings with hard work and weeks/months of negotiation - and as you indicated - sucking up. The trade/hoard mentality of Queen collectors has made it virtually impossible for the common fan to get ahead. In most other communities, 99 times out of 100, there is much less wheeling and dealing required. Maybe one day you'll realize that the way Queen collectors conduct their business is very, very unusual, because they're not trying to help the common fan. In most other communities they are. And for the record, it's truly unfortunate that you, the moderator, on the topic of sharing, are attacking the person who has shared more RoIOs with confirmed lineage than anyone else here. You're the one who is making this a hostile environment here... not me. This has nothing to do with me. This is not my vision that I've set. Other websites have already accomplished it, years ago. It would just be nice if this one could make some progress. I wouldn't benefit much from this new system. A lot of other people would, though. |
| YourValentine 15.04.2008 13:37 |
Well, Bob, it seems that we have a very different perception of this website. First of all, I am not the moderator - I only speak for myself and nobody else. I do have some admin privileges but that has nothing to do with my opinion as a fan and collector. When I speak as an admin I always say so, for example when I move a thread or delete something Secondly, I did not feel I attacked you, I try to avoid the ever recurring fights which will lead to nothing. I am truly convinced that it is totally impossible to create a universal set of regulations for fans of one band and it will only lead to frustration and fights if you try to accomplish it. There are so many other outlets like emule, DCC, sharing sites - you will never control the way people share and trade. Thirdly, I also do not share your view that collecting Queen music is such a difficult struggle, on the contrary. From day 1 people on the net were friendly and helpful to me. My very first email brought me my very first download - Andrew Young uploaded "Hold On" for me on an ftp site at a time when I needed our IT specialist to download this for me and to convert the mp3 into a wav (1998). When I started collecting many established collectors like Scully, Riku, Queenboots, Luca, Henrique, and many more helped me on and now I help on new people in return. Of course I have to hunt down certain recordings but for me this is part of the fun while just downloading something is not so much fun for me. By swapping I keep meeting collectors I did not know before and new doors open all the time. I am really sorry you are so unhappy with the Queen world. |
| YourValentine 15.04.2008 13:47 |
pittrek wrote: Well actually that's why some of us prefer sites like ttd and dime, those are sites for "collectors" and this is for "only fans" :-) Does it make sense ?Absolutely. If you open a collector site I would surely join and I would definitely respect the rules of this site:) Queenzone is not the end-all, I know many collectors who never post on QZ. It's not because of lineage or something, it's because they do not use the internet much and/or don't want to be dragged into net fights. I never heard that someone does not digitalize a tape because of Queenzone. Some tapers don't want to release their tapes to the public but it has nothing to do with Queenzone. There can be many reasons why tapers do not release their stuff, it's just not realistic to blame it on Queenzone. |
| The Real Wizard 15.04.2008 14:04 |
YourValentine wrote: Some tapers don't want to release their tapes to the public but it has nothing to do with Queenzone. There can be many reasons why tapers do not release their stuff, it's just not realistic to blame it on Queenzone.You are both right and wrong. People hoard for various reasons, but this website is one of them. Queen collectors we deal with have their reasons, but I have spoken with tapers who are not sharing purely because of this website. These are not the Queen collectors we all know. These are people who are not explicitly Queen fans, but taped shows by many bands, and have leaked their recordings into other music communities. The prime example I've mentioned in the past is the audio of the complete Memphis 78 concert. After someone shared an mp3 version of the complete Dallas 78 here (which was originally shared by the taper at Dime), I received an email from the Memphis taper saying this recording was, I quote, "gone forever". Without the taper, we wouldn't have had the Dallas recording at all, and if people had only respected his wishes to keep the recording lossless, we may have heard the recording from the next night by now. When you reach outside Queen collectors in search of Queen recordings, what you experience in the outside collecting world is very, very different. |
| on my way up 15.04.2008 16:16 |
YourValentine wrote: Well, Bob, it seems that we have a very different perception of this website. First of all, I am not the moderator - I only speak for myself and nobody else. I do have some admin privileges but that has nothing to do with my opinion as a fan and collector. When I speak as an admin I always say so, for example when I move a thread or delete something Secondly, I did not feel I attacked you, I try to avoid the ever recurring fights which will lead to nothing. I am truly convinced that it is totally impossible to create a universal set of regulations for fans of one band and it will only lead to frustration and fights if you try to accomplish it. There are so many other outlets like emule, DCC, sharing sites - you will never control the way people share and trade. Thirdly, I also do not share your view that collecting Queen music is such a difficult struggle, on the contrary. From day 1 people on the net were friendly and helpful to me. My very first email brought me my very first download - Andrew Young uploaded "Hold On" for me on an ftp site at a time when I needed our IT specialist to download this for me and to convert the mp3 into a wav (1998). When I started collecting many established collectors like Scully, Riku, Queenboots, Luca, Henrique, and many more helped me on and now I help on new people in return. Of course I have to hunt down certain recordings but for me this is part of the fun while just downloading something is not so much fun for me. By swapping I keep meeting collectors I did not know before and new doors open all the time. I am really sorry you are so unhappy with the Queen world.You talk about 'hunting down certain recordings'. I assume that means you get to hear shows the general collectors even don't know about. Aren't there any shows you want the entire Queen fan world to hear then from those? |
| tassilo 26.04.2008 09:26 |
Thanks a lot for this one! |
| hernan_taylor 03.05.2008 15:18 |
thanks |
| hernan_taylor 05.05.2008 21:12 |
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| doktor.ab 12.12.2008 15:03 |
can you please reupload the links for I'm in love with my car and get down make love?Thanks in advance! |
| RoyThomasBaker 12.12.2008 16:46 |
Here they are: http://rapidshare.com/files/172810975/7.flac http://rapidshare.com/files/172810976/8.flac |
| doktor.ab 13.12.2008 04:26 |
thanks a lot! |
| bokkepoot 22.01.2012 12:06 |
As you all know, megaupload is token offline by the FBI. Since Multiupload.com has also some problems with their services at the moment, I will upload for the time being to a alternate service like multiupload, called uploadmirrors.com. Here are the new fresh links to the original files which were shared in this topic: link link link |
| The Real Wizard 26.01.2012 11:48 |
Upgrade here: link |