QueenZone discussion #1093818

HistoryGirl wrote: And this is just another example of why I decided a long time ago that I was NEVER going to be a teacher to anyone other than adults. How effective of a teacher will you be when you have to worry about this kind of shit? Adults at least have the option of being present. If they don't like the class, or don't want to be students, or don't like you, they can leave. And many of them do.

Zebonka12 wrote: Yeah, one random kid I could understand.... but 11 of them? Either there's a budding Rasputin in the class doing the brainwashing, or this teacher was a mega-cunt.

John S Stuart wrote: That is kids today are so spoilt, that unless they get what they want - and on their terms - that they can (in really extreme cases) be motivated ti kill to satisfy their own selfish ends.

John S Stuart wrote: What was the name of the famous USA case wherein two brothers conspired to kill their parents - for no other reason than to inherit their money?

Lisser wrote: I work in an elementary school and I do agree with both what Z and John have posted. There are some students who are spoiled, some who have little demons in their heads, and also some teachers that are not nurturing. No teacher deserves to be plotted murder against though and no child of that age should even have those thoughts entered in to their heads, hopefully no human would ever have thoughts of plotting someone's murder!! It happens though and we have to face it and learn from it and figure out how to prevent it. Each school year I am more and more shocked at what I see and hear from the students at my school. I can't figure out if they are changing for the worse or I'm just old fashioned. I was brought up in a house where teachers were revered and respected. You did as you were told, you sat in your seat and you did your work, no questions asked. Somewhere along the line it has become ok for children to argue with their teachers, run around the classroom like wild dogs, and not do their work. I don't even remember it being an option when I was in school to not do as you were told. It never entered my thought process. There has been a break down somewhere. Somewhere a child who is now an adult with children of their own was neglected or pushed to the side by a parent or a teacher who didn't give a shit, they got a negative experience at school and decided screw it. The parent has passed this along to their children, other children see that if they act up they do not have to do their work, their peers think they are cool and they decide to act up too. Its like a plague that spreads faster than measles. Children will never respect or hold a high value on education if they do not see it on an everday basis from their parents. Every so often though a child will come from one of our poorest areas and overcome the odds, overcome the stereotype. Its an awesome thing to watch. It only happens to about 1 or 2 children each year that I see, but when it happens its completely awesome to watch them break the cycle. The only advice I can give to anyone that has children or plans to have children, please please place an extremely high level of importance on education. It is the only way I see of changing what I see go on every day. Do everything you can to empower your children or future children to learn learn learn, soak it up, everything! Learning does not have to be a pencil and a piece of paper. In my school our teachers use a lot of hands on activites because it is just so difficult to get the students to concentrate on anything longer than five minutes. It works. We use whatever techniques we need to to help the students learn and retain information. We make it fun and challenging and they don't even realize they are learning lifelong lessons and the building blocks for their future. Even though my school has over 50% of our enrollment living below the national poverty line, you would never know it from our test scores. ALL children can learn, but all children learn differently. It's up to the educators to find out what works best for each child if they want success for them. Wow, I wrote a book but education is something I'm very passionate about. Odds are if your children or future children don't have an education, then they might as well have nothing. They are set up for disaster later in life and its up to their parents to make sure they don't head that way. I will never fail my children, they will learn to the best of their ability and I will do whatever I can to help them and support them, this is exactly what my parents did for me and as long as I'm alive, the cycle will not be broken.

Zebonka12 wrote:

HistoryGirl wrote: And this is just another example of why I decided a long time ago that I was NEVER going to be a teacher to anyone other than adults. How effective of a teacher will you be when you have to worry about this kind of shit? Adults at least have the option of being present. If they don't like the class, or don't want to be students, or don't like you, they can leave. And many of them do.

How old was the Virginia Tech guy, though?

YourValentine wrote: I think most of what has been said about education is true but who is to blame? The parents who often work multiple jobs to make ends meet, the school which is underfunded and does not have enough teachers, the society which labels every unwanted behaviour with some great sounding name and declares it an "illness"? I mean - why was there no "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder" 20 years ago? Certainly the answer is not going back to the 19th century and allow to beat up children, we are beyond that. There are means of teaching children without physical violence, it just needs more patience and well educated and well paid teachers. In school today the first 6 months are usually spent on teaching the children the basics - sit down for a defined period of time, only speak when you are asked, do not scream around and follow the teacher's instructions - this was not necessary 20 years ago. I very much agree with what was said about kids having no safe place to play and explore the world on their own terms - there is pressure, virtual reality and TV. Definitely they must not be exposed to criminal charges like adults, they are still little children and need help.