| Mr.Jingles 30.03.2008 14:28 |
link Oh well, a few of those bastards dead as oppossed to the thousands seals that will be cruelly slaughtered. Not a lot of justice there. |
| john bodega 30.03.2008 16:11 |
OH are you guys sucking some karmic COCK right now or what There is some justice in the world... |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.03.2008 07:25 |
Damn. Only three dead and one missing. Not nearly enough of those bastards. I just hope the ones that died, died just as slowly and painfully and in as much of a desperate panic to survive as the baby seals they bludgeon to death - 800 in just one day. Those pricks got what they deserve. Too bad more of them didn't go down. |
| John S Stuart 31.03.2008 08:42 |
What a load of new age p*sh. I do not agree with animal cruelty - but to rejoice in the deaths of other human beings - is the greatest cruelty of all. Shame on you. These were just normal men doing a difficult job to support their families. What makes these men any different from any other fisherman, farmer, butcher, trapper, pest-controller etc? All wo/men are animals. The paradox of life - is that it is only sustainable via death. No food is inorganic. I eat meat, but I do not have to kill it. I wear leather, but I do not have to skin it. Does this give me the right to criticise others who do? To elevate animal life above any human life - is political correctness gone mad. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.03.2008 08:52 |
John S Stuart wrote: I do not agree with animal cruelty - but to rejoice in the deaths of other human beings - is the greatest cruelty of all. Shame on you... ...To elevate animal life above any human life - is political correctness gone mad.Obviously, I disagree. These men are not just fishermen, they 'hunt' these baby seals who have absolutely no defense and no way to escape, and then they beat them to death while the seals scream and cry in pain and terror. I don't eat meat and I don't wear/use leather. I don't believe in animal cruelty and that is what this is.. only worse because it's legal. In my eyes, these men are as barbaric as child abusers/molesters/murderers for doing what they do. In my eyes, their deaths are a minor bit of justice for the injustice of their 'jobs'. |
| john bodega 31.03.2008 09:18 |
John S Stuart wrote: To elevate animal life above any human life - is political correctness gone mad.My my, don't WE have a high opinion of our worth to the world? |
| YourValentine 31.03.2008 09:28 |
I think seal hunting should be outlawed internationally but it isn't. I agree that it is cruel and should be stopped immediately. However, I cannot be glad about people dying doing a job that is still legal. I think the death penalty is NOT an appropriate punishment for seal hunting (or anyother crime for that matter). How would you like if we celebrated the death of 4000 American soldiers in Iraq? After all, they killed estimated 900 000 - 1,2 million defenseless men, women and children in their homes, in the streets, schools, hospitals, churches. That's a bigger crime in my opinion and still no civilized person would applaud when a US soldier is killed. |
| john bodega 31.03.2008 09:34 |
It's because seals are cute. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.03.2008 09:41 |
YourValentine wrote: How would you like if we celebrated the death of 4000 American soldiers in Iraq? After all, they killed estimated 900 000 - 1,2 million defenseless men, women and children in their homes, in the streets, schools, hospitals, churches. That's a bigger crime in my opinion and still no civilized person would applaud when a US soldier is killed.I'd say the difference here is extreme. I am not at all for the war, but soldiers went into it for a noble cause... or for lies that implied it was a noble cause. There isn't a shred of honor in what these seal hunters are doing. While I won't spare a moment of my time feeling sympathy for the ones who died, nor will I applaud their deaths. I will and do, however, feel relief and justice being served since three (or four) less hunters will be out there, at least for today, clobbering these seals to death. I find it odd how people stand up for 'humans' simple because they're human. Inhumane acts, IMO, deserve inhumane punishments, and the only grief I'll feel is for the true and innocent victims. |
| YourValentine 31.03.2008 10:11 |
I really respect you, magicalfreddiemercury but I can think until I am blue in the face and I do not see a "noble cause" in attacking a country that did not do anything to your country and to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people who never did any injustice to you or your country while it's "inhumane" when seal hunters make a living in areas where there are not many other means of income. Seal hunting has a tradition that reaches back thousands of years. I may not like it but then I do not like other traditions like bull fights, eating turkeys on Thanksgiving, kosher and halal slaughter, obtaining caviar by slicing up a living fish and many more practices that include animal suffering. Still, I think it's not "justice" when people drown in a boat accident. It's true that I feel more for the victims of a cruel war - no matter how "noble" the cause. |
| john bodega 31.03.2008 10:26 |
I think we are placing way too much value on human life here. I'm not elevating the value of animal life by any means. I like a good steak. I'm just saying, we aren't that special. 6 billion people in the world, here. If you go out on a boat at 1 AM, expect accidents. Shit happens. I could die tomorrow, big deal. Fuck these stupid seal clubbers. They knew the risks; or should have. I still say it's karma. I don't care if they 'earn their living' by clubbing seals, or how much of a tradition it is. Bullfighting is a tradition, but that doesn't mean I don't laugh my *arse* off when members of the audience get trampled or gored by a big fat bull horn. They deserve it. It's not nice, but it's true. Owing to some of the shit on this forum, I'm sure I deserve AIDS and some kind of bereavement.. I don't LIKE the idea, but it's God's honest truth. Some people just have it coming, like these idiot seal-clubbers. |
| Mr.Jingles 31.03.2008 12:35 |
YourValentine wrote: How would you like if we celebrated the death of 4000 American soldiers in Iraq? After all, they killed estimated 900 000 - 1,2 million defenseless men, women and children in their homes, in the streets, schools, hospitals, churches. That's a bigger crime in my opinion and still no civilized person would applaud when a US soldier is killed.Wait a minute... I'm the one of the first people here to criticize U.S. foreign policy, and it hurts me to admit that there's a great amount of civilian deaths taken by the hands of the U.S. army. However, you just have to watch the news to realize that many of the deaths in Iraq (perhaps most) were caused by the insurgency and terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda. I will admit that none of this would have happened if we would have stayed out of Iraq, but from there to hold the U.S. completely responsible for around 1 million civilian deaths, is just viewing things from a single perspective. Back to the topic about the seal hunt... all I have to say is that perhaps Karma exists, and it's a hell of a bitch. |
| john bodega 31.03.2008 12:52 |
Karma is a big cock and the seal hunters have it jammed in their mouths right now. Stretchmarks of equilibrium, right there. |
| The Real Wizard 31.03.2008 13:37 |
Scoreboard Seals: 4 Seal hunters: 0 |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.03.2008 14:59 |
YourValentine wrote: I really respect you, magicalfreddiemercury but I can think until I am blue in the face and I do not see a "noble cause" in attacking a country that did not do anything to your country and to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people who never did any injustice to you or your country while it's "inhumane" when seal hunters make a living in areas where there are not many other means of income. Seal hunting has a tradition that reaches back thousands of years. I may not like it but then I do not like other traditions like bull fights, eating turkeys on Thanksgiving, kosher and halal slaughter, obtaining caviar by slicing up a living fish and many more practices that include animal suffering. Still, I think it's not "justice" when people drown in a boat accident. It's true that I feel more for the victims of a cruel war - no matter how "noble" the cause.I agree with almost everything you've said here. Almost. :-) As for the ‘noble’ part of this war, that is aimed directly at the soldiers who put their lives on the line in an effort to protect the homeland – which is what this disgraceful administration had insisted was the case when they sent our troops there in the first place. That's where 'noble' starts and ends for me where this war is concerned. Seal hunters have no such honor at any time. Their intent is to destroy innocence and that’s just what they do. Maybe it's cold-hearted of me, but I can't help but to think only of that handful of baby seals who were spared the torture because those hunters’ died. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 31.03.2008 15:46 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:I couldn't agree more!John S Stuart wrote: I do not agree with animal cruelty - but to rejoice in the deaths of other human beings - is the greatest cruelty of all. Shame on you... ...To elevate animal life above any human life - is political correctness gone mad.Obviously, I disagree. These men are not just fishermen, they 'hunt' these baby seals who have absolutely no defense and no way to escape, and then they beat them to death while the seals scream and cry in pain and terror. I don't eat meat and I don't wear/use leather. I don't believe in animal cruelty and that is what this is.. only worse because it's legal. In my eyes, these men are as barbaric as child abusers/molesters/murderers for doing what they do. In my eyes, their deaths are a minor bit of justice for the injustice of their 'jobs'. I really don't feel sorry for the bastards, hope they burn in hell. I think it's more terrible when such a baby seal is cruely killed than when a couple of those assholes responsible for that die. Hope they died a slow and painful death. |
| John S Stuart 31.03.2008 16:01 |
What a bunch of pompous hypocrites. Like YV I think that: "...seal hunting should be outlawed internationally...that it is cruel and should be stopped immediately" I also agree "...the death penalty is NOT an appropriate punishment for seal hunting". However, every country is as bad as Canada in its own way. Raststätte-Knödel: link Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way. Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury: link The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse. Zebonka12: link It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done? I do not believe in a God - but I do think that those 'without sin' get to throw the first stone - so if we eat (even vegans) are guilty of some form of cruelty. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 31.03.2008 16:18 |
John S Stuart wrote: What a bunch of pompous hypocrites. Raststätte-Knödel: link Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way. Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury: link The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse. Zebonka12: link It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?How are we hypocrites? Because people around the world, including in our own countries, commit heinous crimes against animals? Has anyone here said their country is superior in that regard - or in any other, for that matter? Or have we said we hate what is done to animals and that animal cruelty is disgusting in all it's forms? Do not call someone a hypocrite when you know nothing about that person. You have no idea how much I, for one, invest in time, energy, voice and cash to help protect animals. You only know that here, on this board, I (and others) have said they feel a sense of justice at the death of those who would have killed. In no way does that contradict itself - and most especially not in the way you indicate. |
| Bob The Shrek 31.03.2008 18:18 |
I say club the Killer Whales, they kill seals all the time, the bastards. |
| John S Stuart 01.04.2008 06:52 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yetJohn S Stuart wrote: What a bunch of pompous hypocrites. Raststätte-Knödel: link Just in the Netherlands alone, about 10.000 pigs and piglets are transported every day, to go to the slaughterhouse or to be fattened up in a far away country. Pigs are bad travellers. They are very sensitive to stress and get sick very easily along the way. Mr.Jingles/magicalfreddiemercury: link The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), as part of its First Strike™ Campaign, has released the findings of a yearlong study on animal cruelty in the United States. Results from the study show an extremely high number of intentional cruelty cases were committed by male teens under the age of eighteen. The research also shows that a large number of cases of intentional animal cruelty also involved some form of family violence whether domestic violence, child abuse or elder abuse. Zebonka12: link It’s all happening, It’s all there we can’t stop it, but we can prevent It.” Said John Harris, The President of the RSPCA last year. Since that was put in our article last year there have been 210 counts of animal cruelty in Australia, last year there were 120, what have we done?How are we hypocrites? 'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters. I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also. In my book that makes YOU a hypocrite - no matter who you financially support. Nature, by design is red in tooth and claw, and while I still claim to be against seal clubbing per se, what is the difference between this outdoor and a conventional abattoir? For me a 'bigger' sin are those who kill for NO good reason - for example standing on a spider - for the sake of standing on a spider, but as alluded to above, seals are cute - spiders are not - so no one really cares about their feelings. My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 01.04.2008 07:29 |
John S Stuart wrote:Sorry to offend your sensibilities, but my sensibilities are offended each time one of those hunters goes out there to slaughter those animals... and it's hardly because they're cute but rather because they're living and breathing innocents.magicalfreddiemercury wrote:Because YOU claim you despise animal cruelty - yet 'celebrate' "... those pricks got what they deserved..." the death of human hunters. I on the other hand despise animal cruelty AND human suffering also. ...My final point is that I believe it is hypocritical to celebrate any cruelty against any living creature - and to argue that these men deserved a suffering death offends not only my sensitivities - but by definition alone - MAKES YOU A HYPOCRITE.John S Stuart wrote: What a bunch of pompous hypocrites.How are we hypocrites? I despise human suffering as well. However, in some cases, like this one, humans bring on the suffering themselves, whereas these animals are simply existing and being destroyed because of it. These hunters, despite the conditions and warnings of treacherous conditions, went out there to kill and were killed in the process. Greed? Obsession? Arrogance of man against nature? Whatever, they died because of it. They brought it on themselves. Not everyone is worth our sympathies - well, maybe yours, but that's your issue. I will not be the hypocrite you are who professes to despise animal cruelty then defends or sympathizes with those who perpetrated that cruelty in the first place. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 01.04.2008 07:32 |
John S Stuart wrote: Raststätte-Knödel: linkI know that. That's why I'm a vegetarian. I think what my country does to farm animals isn't less terrible than the seal hunt. |
| john bodega 01.04.2008 07:34 |
Blah blah blah, notice how when you type like SHATNER, you're suddenly more CREDIBLE. I'm not a hypocrite. I really don't see what's hypocritical about realising that people who go out in flimsy fishing boats are basically begging to drown. They can't wait to die. They think getting water in their lungs is like being tickled by the Lady of the Lake or something. |