unknown 15.02.2008 13:47 |
I deeply apologize for the mistakes I made on my website link which turned out to be rumours. I got in contact with Russian expert of Freddie Mercury's biography, Mariam Ahundova (her study sadly isn't puplished in Europe, GB and USA yet), and I was being told that many information/books about his life just aren't true, f.ex. whole passages in David Bret's book - also Jim Hutton's book isn't actually official. If you feel the need we can start a discussion concerning the falsification of the information about Queen and Freddie Mercury. What I'm really wondering is, if those books aren't acknowledged by Queen are they worth to be published? Maybe there are 'older' fans out here who could tell me: was the problem of the falsification of Queen's interviews etc also present while they were in the original line up? Any information will be highly appreciated. Thank you very much for your attention. |
Micrówave 15.02.2008 18:11 |
There was no Freddie. |
Roger Meadows Tailor 15.02.2008 18:13 |
Daria my friend.I have followed Queen since 1974. I think its fair to say that Queen have "enjoyed" a lot of shit press since their inception into rock n roll in 73.So much so that half way through the seventies Freddie decided to give only the odd interview every so often.And even at that it had to be someone whom he can trust.Even in the seventies there were plenty of hangers on around the group.Plenty of leechers.Just ask their first manager.He was buying his second Rolls Royce as Freddie and the boys were struggling hand to mouth day by day.And this from a group who had a couple of big hit singles and a couple of hit albums Still to this day,a lot of people are still trying to make money off the back of Queen.I recently saw a book about Brian May in a store.I'm not even sure if he knows this book exists because all the quotes coming from him were coming second hand. I know that it goes against the good investigative journalism rule book but i would only trust auto-biographical books or authenticated quotes where Queen are concerned However it does surprise me about Jim Hutton. I hope this is of some use to you,my friend.Nice website by the way. |
unknown 15.02.2008 19:11 |
Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: Daria my friend.I have followed Queen since 1974. I think its fair to say that Queen have "enjoyed" a lot of shit press since their inception into rock n roll in 73.So much so that half way through the seventies Freddie decided to give only the odd interview every so often.And even at that it had to be someone whom he can trust.Even in the seventies there were plenty of hangers on around the group.Plenty of leechers.Just ask their first manager.He was buying his second Rolls Royce as Freddie and the boys were struggling hand to mouth day by day.And this from a group who had a couple of big hit singles and a couple of hit albums Still to this day,a lot of people are still trying to make money off the back of Queen.I recently saw a book about Brian May in a store.I'm not even sure if he knows this book exists because all the quotes coming from him were coming second hand. I know that it goes against the good investigative journalism rule book but i would only trust auto-biographical books or authenticated quotes where Queen are concerned However it does surprise me about Jim Hutton. I hope this is of some use to you,my friend.Nice website by the way.Thank you very much for your kind reply |
YourValentine 16.02.2008 04:53 |
Ahundova's book is not published because it's utter rubbish - she is crazy. Guess what - her book is not official, either. |
Deacon Fan 16.02.2008 05:31 |
Maybe there should be a "Queen Fiction" category of books, much like there needs to be a "Fictional Documentary" category of films for Michael Moore. ;) |
unknown 16.02.2008 07:57 |
YourValentine wrote: Ahundova's book is not published because it's utter rubbish - she is crazy. Guess what - her book is not official, either.I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you in the fact that her book in English is already in planning. Why do you think that she is crazy? A lot of intelligent people who were against urban myths were labelled crazy - what I find brave of her is that the point of her work is to indicate the controversies of other books about Freddie Mercury rather then inventing indiscreet stories like Jim Hutton - her work is that of an investigator. |
YourValentine 16.02.2008 09:39 |
Come on, please. She claims that there is a conspiracy including the band, their management, Freddie's friends and lovers and hundreds of other people making up that Freddie was gay when he was in fact straight. This is not investigation, it's delusional. It's not really respectful to deny a person his sexual identity, mainly when you never met him. I don't know why I even bother but if you base your website on this horrible book, you can just as well save your time because nobody with more than 2 brain cells will visit. |
unknown 16.02.2008 10:45 |
Please forgive me for the misunderstanding, YourValentine. What I wanted to say is that I'm deeply sorry for the mistakes on my page, because I was taking information from tabloid papers and such like as well - Mrs Ahundova contacted me and made me aware of my mistakes and that what I was doing was not right - I'm not planning to base my site on her book, I'm just now in the process of removing all wrong information. Everyone who read my site, please forgive me for my mistakes; I did not want spreading rumours about an outstanding artist and warmhearted human being - Freddie Mercury. |
AC 16.02.2008 11:55 |
Freddie Mercury was gay. Right? |
Roger Meadows Tailor 16.02.2008 13:56 |
Your Valentine. Give Daria a chance.She is trying to right a wrong.OK.If you cant accept that then thats your problem. |
YourValentine 16.02.2008 14:44 |
"Give Daria a chance.She is trying to right a wrong.OK.If you cant accept that then thats your problem." She can do whatever she likes. However, if she starts a discussion on the forum praising a nutcase like Ahundova and calling her an "expert" she has to deal with the answers. I am not witholding my opinion about her. |
Roger Meadows Tailor 16.02.2008 15:12 |
YourValentine wrote: "Give Daria a chance.She is trying to right a wrong.OK.If you cant accept that then thats your problem." She can do whatever she likes. However, if she starts a discussion on the forum praising a nutcase like Ahundova and calling her an "expert" she has to deal with the answers. I am not witholding my opinion about her.Clap clap clap.Well done!!!She's been duped like the millions of us that have been.YOU got it right.She got it wrong.BIG WOW.At least she admitted to being wrong ok. |
Penetration_Guru 16.02.2008 18:18 |
Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: Your Valentine. Give Daria a chance.She is trying to right a wrong.OK.If you cant accept that then thats your problem.Odd that she can't do it without plugging her website... |
unknown 17.02.2008 06:08 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Thank you very much for thinking I'm here for nothing better than advertising my website.Roger Meadows Tailor wrote: Your Valentine. Give Daria a chance.She is trying to right a wrong.OK.If you cant accept that then thats your problem.Odd that she can't do it without plugging her website... |
Penetration_Guru 17.02.2008 11:32 |
Well, it's an odd thing to start a thread on - "My website was shit, sorry" |
unknown 17.02.2008 11:54 |
Many people, even my friends consider me as odd, but I think when I actually did something wrong I have to correct it. I hope you understand me. |
goodco 17.02.2008 13:33 |
If one wants something more factual than info from Mariam Ahundova regarding Queen, one could always visit a Sylv Livingstone site;-) Did these 'fruitier than nutcakes' both get hit in the noggin' by one of the oversized balloons during The Magic Tour??? |
Holly2003 17.02.2008 13:44 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Well, it's an odd thing to start a thread on - "My website was shit, sorry"Well there's "odd" and then there's "Queenfan odd", which raise the peculiarity stakes considerably... |
Stoner 17.02.2008 21:46 |
Hey Daria, I feel that they are all lies, including some of the interviews which I think were doctored up to insinuate things about Queen and esp.Freddie that aren't true. Stuff written by Peter Freestone and Jim Hutton, should be taken with a grain of salt, among others who have written so called biographies. Of course this is definitely the wrong place to discuss it because all you will get here is a bunch of assholes telling you to stop posting. So if you wanna email me we can discuss it, my email is in my profile, I think! :) |
Stoner 17.02.2008 21:53 |
YourValentine wrote: Come on, please. She claims that there is a conspiracy including the band, their management, Freddie's friends and lovers and hundreds of other people making up that Freddie was gay when he was in fact straight. This is not investigation, it's delusional. It's not really respectful to deny a person his sexual identity, mainly when you never met him. I don't know why I even bother but if you base your website on this horrible book, you can just as well save your time because nobody with more than 2 brain cells will visit.Did YOU ever meet him? OR did you just read alot of crap biographies (IE Jim Huttons book) and believe every word they said? It's not respectful to keep pressing the issue that a person is gay either, especially after he is dead and he never even came right out and said he WAS gay when he was alive! It's especially disrespectful to have written the things Jim Hutton and alot of others wrote about in their books, knowing what a private man Freddie Mercury was in life. Actually, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the book by Ahundova that Dario mentioned. It is nothing but respectful of Freddie's memory. I think it's kind of ironic that you would trash Ahundova's book, and say nothing about the others. Unless you just want to believe all the crap about Freddie that is written in them. |
pma 18.02.2008 03:08 |
[quote]It is nothing but respectful of Freddie's memory. [/quote] A pure fanfiction novel like Ahundova's that just wreaks of homophobia and makes the most wild claims about Freddie (straight and practicing Zoroastrian killed by a gay conspiracy) is respectable towards a dead person? Has she perhaps written a new book, since the book I read some years ago by her was just as described. Shameful and rubbish. But if you want to believe the basic claims of Ahundova, eg. that Freddie never visited gay bars (Gee, I wonder where he held his 39th birthday bash? Not that gay bar in Munich, Mrs Hendersons, not that "Living on my own" music video) or that Brian and Roger never said F.M was gay (Oh yes they have said it, Ahundova just seems to have missed it, yet she bases her theories on these "facts") then that's fine by me. The other thing that Ahundova's ramblings kept repeating is that there is "no proof" and especially "no photographs" of F.M in "gay bars" or in homosexual activity (lol) yet she provided no real proof to valify her own claims of heterosexuality and the religious symbolism she saw everywhere that obviously took a whole lot of subjective interpretation and imagination from her part (to say it lightly). Besides, all sorts of "gay" photographs of F.M have been made public during the various documentaries such as "When Freddie met Kenny" and that other sensationalist documentary I forgot. But as we all know everything from Freddie's own sister (to Brian and Roger) is part of the "gay conspiracy" that was established to tarnish the reputation of the wonderful straight religious man known as Freddie Mercury, who naturally never did drugs or visited gay bars. Yes, I'm writing in a long and winding way to make my text as incomprehensible as the text by our dear expert Mariam Homophobiva. |
YourValentine 18.02.2008 03:17 |
I don't see how I say anything about other books when I "trash" Ahundova's book. I did not recommend Jim Hutton's book, for example - on the contrary,I have often critized it. But the difference between Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone et al and Ahundova is that the former knew Freddie, they even lived with him for years while Ahundova is a weirdo who invents a conspiracy theory because she cannot stand a simple truth about her idol. She is a stupid homophobe and not worth the effort to even discuss her book. Just imagine for a minute that someone writes a book trying to "prove" that Brian May is in fact gay and claims that dozens of people have teamed up to conceal this truth and make him look straight - how outraged would you be? |
unknown 18.02.2008 06:29 |
I'm sorry, I see we are only hurting each other, I'd like the discussion to be closed or deleted, thank you. |
Poo, again 18.02.2008 11:04 |
I forgive you, Daria. |
Micrówave 18.02.2008 11:29 |
Freddie forgives you too. He wants you to know it's 2008. |
lovelykate 18.02.2008 11:46 |
lol |
Stoner 18.02.2008 13:30 |
YourValentine wrote: I don't see how I say anything about other books when I "trash" Ahundova's book. I did not recommend Jim Hutton's book, for example - on the contrary,I have often critized it. But the difference between Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone et al and Ahundova is that the former knew Freddie, they even lived with him for years while Ahundova is a weirdo who invents a conspiracy theory because she cannot stand a simple truth about her idol. She is a stupid homophobe and not worth the effort to even discuss her book. Just imagine for a minute that someone writes a book trying to "prove" that Brian May is in fact gay and claims that dozens of people have teamed up to conceal this truth and make him look straight - how outraged would you be?Why is the key words in all these discussions have to be homophobe? Why must homosexuality be defended like some precious jewel in our society? And if it comes to light that someone might be a homosexual....to counteract it and say that it's possible he might not be one is an abomination? I could understand all the anger about this book if you all were bashing it because it was full of lies, which....maybe it is what do I know? But the main reason for everyone's disdain of the book is that ms ahundova seems to be a homophobe! Im only curious. |
Flores 03.02.2013 17:57 |
I am reading Ahundova's biography and I' m so thankful she has done it. Freddy Mercury is not the first and will not be the last person who has been covered with falsities, obstacled and secretly killed. It has been happening since ages in all areas of human contribution, wherever somebody tries to bring something that helps humankind. John Lennon, just to mention one, was killed for bringing humanity to imagine a world living in peace, without frontiers. The same with Michael Jackson when he stopped to be the puppet of discographic enterprises and used his brain to give the world the message "let's be free, let's stop the war". Well, you know, Martin Luther King was killed just for the same reason, so do not be surprised. The dalai lama chased from his country, the pope Vojtila was shot , president John Kennedy was killed. Bates, who taught how to correct sight problems with simple exercises and stop using glasses was ferociously opposed by doctors and glass producers, and his method is almost unknown. Ehret who understood that modern medicine does not know how the body funcions, and healed hundreds of people with his fruitarian and vegetarian diet, to a level of health unknown to all, was killed in an "accident". Cold fusion has been covered with falsities and researchers killed to avoid cheap and unpollutant energy to be available to mankind. George Adamsky who well documented his experience with extraterrestrials, had been contacted because of his virtues, the innocence of his heart, and was confirmed by many other contactees, was covered with ridiculous and shame and the press and biographies said he was gay and died of AIDS too, which was not true, like Freddy Mercury. Recently the minister of economy of Argentina was found dead in his hotel room after he met with the representatives of the International Monetary Fund and refused to apply their rules to reduce inflation in his country that would destroy economy. He was found hanging on his belt from the ceiling, spread with semen and they said he was entertaining himself with sexual games and did not realized he was killing himself. As if somebody who is fighting for the future of his country could have had in his mind to have sexual games! And the list of people secretly killed and/or covered with falsities could go on and on. So you see what the common strategies are when they want to stop somebody: they say they had sex and drug aberration, depravation, so people will not believe them. Another strategy when they want to stop something is to stage mass suicidal, like when they want serious spiritual groups to be stopped, and label them as sects (it has happened in France with New Age communities and groups believing in extraterrestrial positive messages), or they stage a massacre, like when people at G8 in Genova (Italy) were peacefully manifesting dissent, and somebody shot and made riots among them who were not part of them, but pretended to be, so everybody was arrested. Freddy Mercury and Queen were singing about the Second Coming of Christ, the Miracle of Life, this world can be heaven, they were teaching that drugs are evil and not using them, giving hope to young people. Despite these disgusting attempts of discrediting Freddy Mercury and the band, the message has gone out, there is nothing that can stop their music and their message to be received by the highly spiritual new generation of youth. I read a 16 year old fan saying that Queen's music touches his soul. The people here that discredit Ahundova's biography, they are paid by the sistem to continue to keep people away from the truth. |
DragonflyTrumpeter83 04.02.2013 09:24 |
What kind of alternate reality are you living in Flores? All I hear is conspiracy theorist ka-ka, psycho-babble ga-ga... |
Queenfred 04.02.2013 11:20 |
Stoner wrote:YourValentine wrote: I don't see how I say anything about other books when I "trash" Ahundova's book. I did not recommend Jim Hutton's book, for example - on the contrary,I have often critized it. But the difference between Jim Hutton, Peter Freestone et al and Ahundova is that the former knew Freddie, they even lived with him for years while Ahundova is a weirdo who invents a conspiracy theory because she cannot stand a simple truth about her idol. She is a stupid homophobe and not worth the effort to even discuss her book. Just imagine for a minute that someone writes a book trying to "prove" that Brian May is in fact gay and claims that dozens of people have teamed up to conceal this truth and make him look straight - how outraged would you be?Why is the key words in all these discussions have to be homophobe? Why must homosexuality be defended like some precious jewel in our society? And if it comes to light that someone might be a homosexual....to counteract it and say that it's possible he might not be one is an abomination? I could understand all the anger about this book if you all were bashing it because it was full of lies, which....maybe it is what do I know? But the main reason for everyone's disdain of the book is that ms ahundova seems to be a homophobe! Im only curious. My reason is this - I want someone who is supposed to be such a thorough reporter to get some facts straight - she writes: "And in Australia, there’s a man who publicly called Queen a Christian group. The aforementioned Robin Gamble, the vicar of Anglican church of St. Augustine in Melbourne, uses Queen’s music in the church masses. In the interview to the influential Australian magazine Age he called Freddie Mercury a rock singer who asked the most serious questions about the meaning of life and death..." Now, two things, firstly- Robin Gamble is an English Vicar in Bradford England- always lived in England and even opened a Christain pub there. Now, a little research will show you that Melbourne Australia is nowhere near Bradford England. He does however, use Queens music for inspiration. Secondly, "Age" isn't an influential "Australian magazine" at all ...it's actually called The Age and it's a bloody newspaper! The only passage I've read and two factual errors. |
Flores 04.02.2013 18:01 |
"My reason is this - I want someone who is supposed to be such a thorough reporter to get some facts straight - she writes: "And in Australia, there’s a man who publicly called Queen a Christian group. The aforementioned Robin Gamble, the vicar of Anglican church of St. Augustine in Melbourne, uses Queen’s music in the church masses. In the interview to the influential Australian magazine Age he called Freddie Mercury a rock singer who asked the most serious questions about the meaning of life and death..." Now, two things, firstly- Robin Gamble is an English Vicar in Bradford England- always lived in England and even opened a Christain pub there. Now, a little research will show you that Melbourne Australia is nowhere near Bradford England. He does however, use Queens music for inspiration. Secondly, "Age" isn't an influential "Australian magazine" at all ...it's actually called The Age and it's a bloody newspaper! The only passage I've read and two factual errors." Yes, it's true, Robin Gamble is in England and not in Australia. However I don't feel bothered by this inaccuracy: the author has done a huge work of investigation, trying to separate what was true from what was false in the material she was studying, it's normal that something not corresponding to facts escaped her attention. And it's not the kind of inaccuracy that changes the nature of facts: who cares whether this reverend is in Melbourne or in England? who cares whether it is a magazine or a newspaper which talks about it? does it change the fact that the music of Queen has been used by a representative of the church to teach people? That is one of the basic facts that has not been put in the other biographies, more interested in the invented scandals than in the contents of Queen's music. |
inu-liger 04.02.2013 18:36 |
Don't feed the bandwidth wasters |
Queenfred 05.02.2013 03:41 |
inu-liger wrote: Don't feed the bandwidth wasters Yes, yes, sorry. Merely wanted to point out to Stoner that some of us are interested in things other than perception. Notably, facts (contrary to what this 'Flores' thinks, they are a perfect indicator of integrity). I'm doing it again aren't I? Okay, I'll stop now... |
unknown 20.02.2013 12:28 |
I am mostly on your side.
And another user wrote it's "conspiracy bla bla" - labelling all this with "conspiracy" is brainwashing itself - the side which does not want to let us know the truth labels this and all the people who think and investigate and as "conspiracy theorists".
Sokrates and Plato and others would be not happy...
sorry for my English
Flores wrote: I am reading Ahundova's biography and I' m so thankful she has done it. Freddy Mercury is not the first and will not be the last person who has been covered with falsities, obstacled and secretly killed. It has been happening since ages in all areas of human contribution, wherever somebody tries to bring something that helps humankind. John Lennon, just to mention one, was killed for bringing humanity to imagine a world living in peace, without frontiers. The same with Michael Jackson when he stopped to be the puppet of discographic enterprises and used his brain to give the world the message "let's be free, let's stop the war". Well, you know, Martin Luther King was killed just for the same reason, so do not be surprised. The dalai lama chased from his country, the pope Vojtila was shot , president John Kennedy was killed. Bates, who taught how to correct sight problems with simple exercises and stop using glasses was ferociously opposed by doctors and glass producers, and his method is almost unknown. Ehret who understood that modern medicine does not know how the body funcions, and healed hundreds of people with his fruitarian and vegetarian diet, to a level of health unknown to all, was killed in an "accident". Cold fusion has been covered with falsities and researchers killed to avoid cheap and unpollutant energy to be available to mankind. George Adamsky who well documented his experience with extraterrestrials, had been contacted because of his virtues, the innocence of his heart, and was confirmed by many other contactees, was covered with ridiculous and shame and the press and biographies said he was gay and died of AIDS too, which was not true, like Freddy Mercury. Recently the minister of economy of Argentina was found dead in his hotel room after he met with the representatives of the International Monetary Fund and refused to apply their rules to reduce inflation in his country that would destroy economy. He was found hanging on his belt from the ceiling, spread with semen and they said he was entertaining himself with sexual games and did not realized he was killing himself. As if somebody who is fighting for the future of his country could have had in his mind to have sexual games! And the list of people secretly killed and/or covered with falsities could go on and on. So you see what the common strategies are when they want to stop somebody: they say they had sex and drug aberration, depravation, so people will not believe them. Another strategy when they want to stop something is to stage mass suicidal, like when they want serious spiritual groups to be stopped, and label them as sects (it has happened in France with New Age communities and groups believing in extraterrestrial positive messages), or they stage a massacre, like when people at G8 in Genova (Italy) were peacefully manifesting dissent, and somebody shot and made riots among them who were not part of them, but pretended to be, so everybody was arrested. Freddy Mercury and Queen were singing about the Second Coming of Christ, the Miracle of Life, this world can be heaven, they were teaching that drugs are evil and not using them, giving hope to young people. Despite these disgusting attempts of discrediting Freddy Mercury and the band, the message has gone out, there is nothing that can stop their music and their message to be received by the highly spiritual new generation of youth. I read a 16 year old fan saying that Queen's music touches his soul. The people here that discredit Ahundova's biography, they are paid by the sistem to continue to keep people away from the truth. |
Day dop 20.02.2013 21:52 |
From what I saw of Ahundova's words online, she struck me as being a homophobic nutcase, unable to accept the way Freddie was because she simply disagrees his lifestyle. Must be nice for her living with her head buried in the sand, trying to change history to suit her own clueless way of thinking. (If you can call it thinking). There's only two possible things her book could ever be any good for: 1) A case study of how a deranged persons mind works. 2) Using the paper from the book to wipe your asehole on. Neither of which appeals to me much. |
Day dop 20.02.2013 22:08 |
Actually, after reading a few of these comments, it wouldn't surprise me if that loony Ahundova is behind one or more of the profiles on here too. |
john bodega 21.02.2013 01:51 |
I'm starting to remember what a fucking peanut gallery this place can become when you pieces-of-shit are allowed to take over. |
unknown 21.02.2013 06:26 |
she has died in 2012.
Day dop wrote: Actually, after reading a few of these comments, it wouldn't surprise me if that loony Ahundova is behind one or more of the profiles on here too. |
john bodega 22.02.2013 02:14 |
Good fucking riddance. |
Flores 10.03.2013 16:09 |
unknown wrote: she has died in 2012. Ahundova died? Oh no, they fucked her too... Gosh, too strange that she died soo quickly just after a few years of writing this biography which exposes the gay mafia... do you have more information about her death? Thanks |
Daniel Nester 19.02.2015 10:02 |
This person Mariam has taken it upon himself to give one- and two-star reviews to book he apparently can't read. I would hardly call him an "expert." |