QueenZone discussion #1077173
Well, well, well. Looks like the Blu-Ray thing is going to be done.
| AlexRocks 29.01.2008 15:10 |
Well, well, well...it looks as if after all these years someone IS doing exactly what I said that the music industry should do. I think AC/DC were the first recording artist to release a music home video in 1980 called "Let There Be Rock". Then the early artists that I know about that re-released their catelog on c.d./d.v.d. the way I said the music industry should do were R.E.M. and The Talking Heads. Now it looks like a certain Mr. Young is the first to impliment it Blu-Ray discs the way I have been saying would be so mindblowing. Yet everyone here said that the idea was crap. Maybe it will fail...but I dought it. link |
| Tero 29.01.2008 15:53 |
I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't get the impression that he was releasing twenty albums on a single disc... That is what you have been suggesting, , isn't it? To get back to the actual release, how do you suppose it differs from the multimedia cd-roms that were available in the early 90's? (Apart from being on a different disc format) |
| AlexRocks 29.01.2008 18:29 |
Thanks for...um...somewhat paying attention! Not exactly...I was not ever suggesting that all of 20 l.p.s should be on one disc. Even though people were desperately trying to tell me and accuse me of being persistant of that idea. Alas...I have been saying since day one that it would be great for artists to add a certain amount of unreleased tracks on A Blu-Ray disc for EACH studio l.p. I would definitely say it is entirely concievable that I have not communicated very well either so there you go. SO my point being that I thought that each studio l.p. should be released as an individual Blu-Ray disc...15 Queen studio l.p.s would equal 15 Blu-Ray discs. My point being was to do basically what Brian May had suggested four years ago or so with them being their own c.d./d.v.d. combos. That being for each release to have unreleased songs, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, alternative versions of songs, what I call "short films" and other people call "music videos" for all that were and have been related to the l.p. and all their versions, old interviews from the time period and any since then pertaining to the project/songs/what have you, new interviews (for example the Eagle Entertianment release "The Making Of "A Night At The Opera", and whatever documentary on the project, and 5.1. I was trying to get discussions as to what people thought should be on each disc but most everytime I had been TOTALLY dismissed and the discussion got nowhere. Alas. I think people were turned off of the idea that all the stuff I suggested be on each disc would not be in their own box set. Meaning they would have to buy all 15 studio l.p.s again to get the unreleased and rare features. I still think a box set or box sets could be done. I was hoping in the same vein as "The Freddie Mercury Solo Collection" both in physical size and with maybe as many discs in it as possible but maybe there would need to be three box sets with what would be 5 Blu-Ray discs in each. I still think they could each be the physical size of the Freddie Mecury box set from the year 2000 in an oversized hardback book in a hard slipcase. I swear I use that as the standard for the best packaging of any type of box set EVER!! Only the past few months has anyone else released anything else in that size that I know about. |
| Dan C. 29.01.2008 18:31 |
Phew! I was scared he wasn't going to release it on DVD! I've been waiting for this stuff, and would be quite pissed if I had to miss out on it because I didn't have a Blu-Ray player. Neil rocks. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 30.01.2008 08:27 |
I thought you meant Will Young! |
| Cwazy little thing 30.01.2008 14:45 |
I like the concept, but I also think, if it were possible and Queen went for the idea, that each Blu Ray release should contain a live show from the tours to support each album - Im sure if they actually collected together all the live footage believed to be out there, along with all the stuff in the archives most of the albums could have a live how attached, creating a fantastic document of where the band were up to at that stage in their career. It'll never happen though! |
| AlexRocks 30.01.2008 16:38 |
Personally I think it would be good to keep the studio recordings seperate from the live recordings. I think what would be a good idea was to have live audio recordings with some of the concert films on their own releases. Such as "Live At Wembley" could be the concert film with all of the bonus features, the audio portion, and then another audio concert or more concerts from that tour that does NOT have a film to accompany it. |
| PieterMC 30.01.2008 20:31 |
Blu-ray rocks!!! |
| Benn 31.01.2008 07:06 |
All of these suggestions are great. However, with the advances in technology, what's to say that there won't be a "better" medium along in the very near future? If, as is likely, QPL have been waiting for simply the best medium on which to present Queen's rarities, then surely they will now be looking for whatever is next and "better" than Blu-Ray. Ideally, for me, each of the individual Queen studio releases would be augmented with relevant edits, re-mixes, rehearsals, out-takes and demos. This would give the fan base the opportunity to buy whichever studio sets most attracts them For me that would be everything up until 1983; I'd then buy the remainder as and when I could be bothered or the mood took me. Bundling everything together is a bit presumptuous in terms of assuming that everyone likes everything the band did. Similar for live releases - these would, ideally, be kept separate from ANY studio recordings as they are never wholly representative of the albums they toured to promote. Bundling live shows together to perpresent either a tour (Earls Court & Houston to represent 1977) or (at a stretch) a venue (Hammy Odeon 75 & 79) would be the ideal. The Who recently offered a live compilation to subscribers of their newly-launched website which is laudable, but ultimately leads to questions about meandering sound quality, song selection, repetativeness and, ultimately, "we want more!". For me, it's just a missed opportunity and I'd hope that Queen don't follow along this road. As ever though, we enter another year STILL waiting for any kind of official news regarding the archive releases that have been promised for so long. I doubt that this year will be any different from any before. Come January 2009, we'll still be asking the same questions. |
| PieterMC 31.01.2008 08:16 |
Benn wrote: If, as is likely, QPL have been waiting for simply the best medium on which to present Queen's rarities, then surely they will now be looking for whatever is next and "better" than Blu-Ray.I find that hard to believe to be honest. Queen Productions can barely master making a DVD let alone a Blu-ray disc. I can't see an replacement for Blu-ray coming along anytime soon either. Most people don't even have an HD television yet, so it's premature to start talking about a replacement for Blu-ray. Personally I don't see a need to issue Queen concerts or what not on Blu-ray unless they were filmed in HD. DVD would do just fine. |
| KevoM 31.01.2008 09:46 |
Erm... i gues he hasn't heard of SACD and DVD-Audio and what happened to them. |
| AlexRocks 31.01.2008 10:02 |
Er, I guess you all haven't heard that Blu-Ray is the next official format worldwide? There is nothing else on the horizen. This has been in the works for years. Whatever! One can lay the evidence out only so much! |
| Benn 31.01.2008 11:30 |
AlexRocks, re: >>Whatever! One can lay the evidence out only so much! Forgive me, but what "evidence" have you laid out? |
| AlexRocks 31.01.2008 17:27 |
That the electronics industry worldwide are deciding overwelmingly that the next format for film to replace d.v.d.s is Blu-Ray. I have no idea if the music industry will adopt it next BUT I have said that it would be not only most logical since the music industry is not doing well but I have now given an example of one major recording artist that is apparently doing just this thing. I also have mentioned recording artists that have done what I mentioned using c.d./d.v.d. combo packages before doing such a thing on a Blu-Ray music format. Thanks for asking. |
| Adam Baboolal 01.02.2008 07:40 |
Dude, they (Music industry) ain't using BluRay for anything. They can't afford to keep making mistakes. And if the perfectly good DVD-A and SACD format hasn't worked out, I certainly don't see BluRay getting used anytime soon. DVD-A, for me, is still the format they should've embraced more. Adam. |
| PieterMC 01.02.2008 08:19 |
As much as I love Blu-ray the only thing I see it being used for by the music industry is concerts and promo videos that have been record in HD. I find it hard to believe that they will release non HD catalogue titles. |
| AlexRocks 01.02.2008 10:38 |
Wow! You all have not read the very first post to this topic with the link have you? |
| Benn 01.02.2008 12:02 |
Alex is absolutely right, but I have to pull him up on his generalisation that "the music industry" is taking the Blu-Ray format to heart. Neil Young is clearly taking his own lead on this and I would imagine that he has enough clout to be able to do that. Whether his audience is sufficiently equipped with the necessary equipment with which to view / listen to Blu-Ray discs is another matter. If he succeeds with this, then I fully expect bands like Queen, The Who, The Stones, The bdeatles etc to quickly follow suit and it may be that after enough prominent artists / bands have done so, the "music industry" as a whole will then follow suit. The consumer however has seemingly had enough of the transitioning to new formats in the last 20-30 years. Remember CDs being marketed as the last word in the listening experience? Hardware costs will presumably have to fall somewhat before the mass market are able to afford the pleasure of Blu-Ray. One question though - being a techno-phobe - what is the difference between the digital transfer / recording / listening process of Blu-Ray compared to ordinary CDs? My assumption would be that there would be little to choose but that compression is likely to be more pronounced with the amount of data stored on a Blu-Ray disc. Not interested greatly in the picture content in all honesty here. |
| Tero 01.02.2008 14:15 |
Benn wrote: One question though - being a techno-phobe - what is the difference between the digital transfer / recording / listening process of Blu-Ray compared to ordinary CDs? My assumption would be that there would be little to choose but that compression is likely to be more pronounced with the amount of data stored on a Blu-Ray disc.In theory Blu-Ray should be a better listening experience because of the increased sampling rate and bigger frequency range, but I doubt very much that anybody is going to HEAR any improvement beyond the technical capabilities of the CD. Especially when we're talking about demo recordings. ;) The audio doesn't have to have any compression at all (as there is plenty of space on the discs), but there are more possibilities to ruin the audio with a poor sampling rate conversion. |
| AlexRocks 01.02.2008 17:07 |
...and what of artists such as R.E.M., Talking Heads, and Neil Young making archive releases with each of the studio l.p.s as either c.d./d.v.d. combos or Blu-Ray discs? It seems to make far more sense than having more releases that the public won't buy in the first place except very few people. Especially if the box sets are too big. As it is the music industry are going to need to give a motive to the public to buy their products again at some point. |
| Tero 02.02.2008 04:05 |
AlexRocks wrote: ...and what of artists such as R.E.M., Talking Heads, and Neil Young making archive releases with each of the studio l.p.s as either c.d./d.v.d. combos or Blu-Ray discs? It seems to make far more sense than having more releases that the public won't buy in the first place except very few people. Especially if the box sets are too big. As it is the music industry are going to need to give a motive to the public to buy their products again at some point.For a moment there I thought you were missing the whole point of music industry, but you did get to it in the end: They are there to sell a product. To the record company it doesn't matter if they make $5 out of each album, or $100 out of each box set, as long as the total sum is the same. Some companies get there by selling the same basic versions of the same albums to new people every year, while some companies need to release new versions of the same albums to sell to the same people again. A new format (even Blu-Ray!) isn't a magical solution to everything, and it certainly isn't the ONLY solution to anything. |
| Benn 03.02.2008 06:36 |
Now, wouldn't it be nice if "the industry" went and re-issued everything in vinyl format? Big packaging that is faithful to the original and using the same mixes and mastering that were featured originally. Then, where the rarities are concerned, issueing on vinyl and with the same care taken over mixing and mastering with the aim of keeping it all like-for-like. |
| AlexRocks 03.02.2008 09:57 |
I for one have definitely considered that the packaging for a Blu-Ray Audio disc should be like a vinyl package. As far as needing something convertable that's what iPods are for you know? I definitely think so! |
| newcastle 86 09.02.2008 21:49 |
blu ray is the future! learn it or loose out fools! |
| KevMull 10.02.2008 13:44 |
newcastle 86 wrote: blu ray is the future! learn it or loose out fools!Am I mistaken or did I see a 16gig SD card recently? At this rate they will soon overtake blu-ray for capacity, portability, costs and read/write speeds! |