QueenZone discussion #1075403
On Vienna 86, 1st night, inspired by Nummer2 (nickname fixed!) comments
| Yara 23.01.2008 10:30 |
Nummer2 wrote: At first: Get well soon, Yara! At least ou have internet access in hospital. My thoughts about the concert: The sound is fantastic, no doubt. It really sounds like a radio broadcast, well-mixed, but somehow smooth/flat (don't know how to explain, not quite as exciting as a perfect audience recording and not as dry as a soundboard). No criticism intended, just tried to describe it. Freddie's voice is ... please don't hit me ... okay. He has problems with the higher notes, he forces his voice to reach them and sometimes they are not very clear and exact. Sure there were worse nights. But in 1982 he mostly sung more effortless. But anyway, it's fantastic how he still creates such dramatic, powerful music even with his "1986 voice"! And yes, the band plays very well, and the audience is great. Everything you need for a fantastic show is there. But: What I really dislike is the track order. The song choice is okay, that of course depends on personal taste, but they fail to create a dramatic line with their song order. They give it away with playing "ITLOTG" that early and generally the "vintage medley" comes much too early in the setlist. And why in hell they didn't play CLTCL after the R'n'R covers? And why for gods sake did they tear apart the unsurpassed WWRY+WATC pair? I'm sure I would appreciate the Magic tour shows much more if the song order was different.First of all, thank you, really, for the kind words! Nummer1, I'm trying to understand what you're trying to describe. Is my memory so lame? I remember the concert was well recorded and had enough depth regarding the sound: you could, I don't know, it's been some time now, but you could notice the layers quite well: the audience, Freddie, the drums, they're all, of course, "flat" in the literal sense, but they sound like they're really apart from each other, as if it were, to use a lame metaphor, a multilayered recording. The very fact they're not sounding in the same frequency and in the same volume gives you this feeling. Well, but let's go to the part I'LL HIT YOU HARD. lol. Just kidding. I agree with you, Freddie couldn't reach the higher notes. And I tell you: I sing much of these songs live flawlessly in terms of reaching the right note and being comfortable there. 4 OUT OF 5 TIMES, HOWEVER, PEOPLE BOO AT ME. You see, it's not really about singing the right notes - a 17 year-old dumb girl like me can do it - but about interpreting the song. I can't do that, for the life of me, I can't imagine I'll ever be able to do a decent Queen cover. It's really hard. It's hard not because it's technically challenging, it's often quite straightforward, but when it comes to interpret it, man, it's hard. There's much more, MUCH MORE to Freddie's singing than pitch. I have been learning some of his techniques but there are things, you know, I just can't do, it's nature. Having said, however, I guess, in my most humble opinion, that Freddie is reaching pretty high notes in this concert - he never did really effortlessly, not even in 1982, and that's why his singing is so interesting because he has to find other means to reach the same goal, or, in the case, the same note or a shade of it. Take, for example, In the Lap of Gods...revisited. It's in this concert he does it, if my memory serves me right. So easy, so risky. I'll talk about it in sec. The thing I'd really love to talk about are the following two verses. Notice one thing: contrary to many live performances, "so funny but there's nothing..." is done in a very restrained, almost humble way, and it's emotionally poignant because, then, it's as if he's breaking some emotional barrier to really shout the truth to himself: "MY MONEEEEEEEY". You see? "So funny...", this line is done in a slightly lower register and in a much less powerful or resonant way than "M |
| Dusta 24.01.2008 00:19 |
Yara, you may have seen this, however, from your post, I imagine you'll find it interesting. It expounds on some of what you've spoken of, here. link |
| Yara 24.01.2008 19:56 |
Hi, Dusta! Many thanks for the reply. Well, even though the website doesn't address exactly the topics I'm interested in - it focuses too much on pitch or what notes Freddie could or could not reach, you know - and I do not agree with him on most of his conclusions and even with his analysis of pitch and color (In my humble opinion, he got things wrong and didn't base the work on very sound premisses), I must say, though, that I have only the utmost respect and admiration for his work, his dedication and the sheer amount of effort and, well, love he put into the website, even though we don't agree on basically anything. LOL Where the truth is? No one knows. If I were you, I wouldn't bet on me. ;-))) But it's a huge fun and pleasure to see people doing so careful and good a work about Queen's music - a work that's been important for people to enjoy the band even more!!!! That's just great. The website is great, the owner is terrific and, well, congratulations for you - afterall, you brought it about here! - and, of course, for him, if he's here! : -))))) Thank you and take care all of you guys. |
| Dusta 24.01.2008 21:40 |
Oh, I apologize, Yara. I thought perhaps you might find the portion of the site where the passagio is discussed interesting, and, perhaps, since you appear to be a musical scholar, like the site author, find some of the links interesting.
I did not mean to cause you conflict.Yara wrote: Hi, Dusta! Many thanks for the reply. Well, even though the website doesn't address exactly the topics I'm interested in - it focuses too much on pitch or what notes Freddie could or could not reach, you know - and I do not agree with him on most of his conclusions and even with his analysis of pitch and color (In my humble opinion, he got things wrong and didn't base the work on very sound premisses), I must say, though, that I have only the utmost respect and admiration for his work, his dedication and the sheer amount of effort and, well, love he put into the website, even though we don't agree on basically anything. LOL Where the truth is? No one knows. If I were you, I wouldn't bet on me. ;-))) But it's a huge fun and pleasure to see people doing so careful and good a work about Queen's music - a work that's been important for people to enjoy the band even more!!!! That's just great. The website is great, the owner is terrific and, well, congratulations for you - afterall, you brought it about here! - and, of course, for him, if he's here! : -))))) Thank you and take care all of you guys. |
| Yara 24.01.2008 22:17 |
Dusta wrote: Oh, I apologize, Yara. I thought perhaps you might find the portion of the site where the passagio is discussed interesting, and, perhaps, since you appear to be a musical scholar, like the site author, find some of the links interesting. I did not mean to cause you conflict.Yara wrote: Hy, Dusta, again! ;-)) How are you? Well, but you did brought a very good website to my attention and I found it VERY INTERESTING. The fact, you know, I don't agree with him here and there and it's not my main interest doesn't mean that it's not helpful or inspiring. I loved the website, really: the careful work, the dedication, the owner's clear language and knowledge, I liked it all and, geez, I wished there were hundres of sites like this to get people to enjoy and know even more the music they listen to! YOU DIDN'T CAUSE ME CONFLICT, YOUR REPLY WAS A GIFT. I LOVED the website and, frankly, I wished there there much more like this one out there. The fact it doesn't conver my MAIN interests DOESN'T mean it's not interesting to me! It is! And even though I don't agree with him on some points, hey, that's how we learn, by knowing other people's views, through dialogue. I AM NOOOOT A MUSICAL SCHOLAR, PLEEEASE! I'm just a humble amateur pianist and singer who chose music and studying music as a way of living - but I'm just 17 years old and I doubt I'll ever meet the criteria to be a good scholar on music. I'm in it basically for the fun of the songs, for the beauty of what human beings can do through this other language we call "music", for how much we can learn from people like the owner of the website you brought my attention to and...Freddie, Roger, Brian, John...I do learn from them too. I love learning. I like to listen to people and know their opinions because that's my way of keeping my soul, my body and my brain active. The process of learning is so magical. Discovering new things, and so on. SO, REALLY, I THANK YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND also THE OWNER OF THAT REMARKABLE, INSPIRING AND ERUDITE WEBSITE! You did what I like the most: brought new things to my attention. I love that, Dusta. Please don't apologize. Disagreement is a way for me to help evaluating my and other people's opinions and reflecting upon my views and learning. It's good, healthy disagreement. The kind of which makes us evolve, I guess. Wow, you're great, Dusta. You were right on the mark: the website is very interesting in a lot of aspects and I loved it. It's interesting exactly because it addresses things that are not my main interest and challenge the way I frame these issues: it's the way I can pay attention to other, rich aspects of music and learn. Thank you, really. It was very kind, clever and sensitive of you. |
| The Real Wizard 25.01.2008 00:15 |
Yara wrote: I'm just 17 years old and I doubt I'll ever meet the criteria to be a good scholar on music.Well, not with that attitude you won't! Get on it! You're well on your way. Disagreement is a way for me to help evaluating my and other people's opinions and reflecting upon my views and learning. It's good, healthy disagreement. The kind of which makes us evolve, I guess.Read my signature. You know which of the three you are! |
| Dusta 25.01.2008 07:08 |
Yara...I missed that you were just seventeen, somehow! You project a great deal of self confidence and composure, for one so very young! Perhaps there is hope for the youth of the world, afterall? And, I am very glad that you did find some pleasure in perusing that delightful site!! Good luck with your musical career! Yara wrote: Hy, Dusta, again! ;-)) How are you? Well, but you did brought a very good website to my attention and I found it VERY INTERESTING. The fact, you know, I don't agree with him here and there and it's not my main interest doesn't mean that it's not helpful or inspiring. I loved the website, really: the careful work, the dedication, the owner's clear language and knowledge, I liked it all and, geez, I wished there were hundres of sites like this to get people to enjoy and know even more the music they listen to! YOU DIDN'T CAUSE ME CONFLICT, YOUR REPLY WAS A GIFT. I LOVED the website and, frankly, I wished there there much more like this one out there. The fact it doesn't conver my MAIN interests DOESN'T mean it's not interesting to me! It is! And even though I don't agree with him on some points, hey, that's how we learn, by knowing other people's views, through dialogue. I AM NOOOOT A MUSICAL SCHOLAR, PLEEEASE! I'm just a humble amateur pianist and singer who chose music and studying music as a way of living - but I'm just 17 years old and I doubt I'll ever meet the criteria to be a good scholar on music. I'm in it basically for the fun of the songs, for the beauty of what human beings can do through this other language we call "music", for how much we can learn from people like the owner of the website you brought my attention to and...Freddie, Roger, Brian, John...I do learn from them too. I love learning. I like to listen to people and know their opinions because that's my way of keeping my soul, my body and my brain active. The process of learning is so magical. Discovering new things, and so on. SO, REALLY, I THANK YOU WITH ALL MY HEART AND also THE OWNER OF THAT REMARKABLE, INSPIRING AND ERUDITE WEBSITE! You did what I like the most: brought new things to my attention. I love that, Dusta. Please don't apologize. Disagreement is a way for me to help evaluating my and other people's opinions and reflecting upon my views and learning. It's good, healthy disagreement. The kind of which makes us evolve, I guess. Wow, you're great, Dusta. You were right on the mark: the website is very interesting in a lot of aspects and I loved it. It's interesting exactly because it addresses things that are not my main interest and challenge the way I frame these issues: it's the way I can pay attention to other, rich aspects of music and learn. Thank you, really. It was very kind, clever and sensitive of you. |
| Yara 25.01.2008 21:23 |
Sorry, guys, if I sounded arrogant. Sorry Dusta, Sir GH, Nummer2. It was not my intention. What sounded like self-confidence and all is just my way of conveying the joy, happiness and pleasure of being able talk about Queen's music with you guys. I have been learning a lot since I came across this website. And it's mainly because of people like you, and so many others. Thank you all! |
| Dusta 25.01.2008 21:40 |
Self confidence is a quality, Yara, not a character flaw! It will get you far. Please do not apologize for having self confidence.
And, I could tell, by the progression of your posts, that you have another quality: An open mind. A mind that is open to knowledge is a mind which also learns. Another quality which will get you far in life.
Yara wrote: Sorry, guys, if I sounded arrogant. Sorry Dusta, Sir GH, Nummer2. It was not my intention. What sounded like self-confidence and all is just my way of conveying the joy, happiness and pleasure of being able talk about Queen's music with you guys. I have been learning a lot since I came across this website. And it's mainly because of people like you, and so many others. Thank you all! |
| The Real Wizard 26.01.2008 00:21 |
Dusta wrote: Self confidence is a quality, Yara, not a character flaw! It will get you far. Please do not apologize for having self confidence.I'll second that. Self-confidence is only taken personally by those who don't have it themselves. You'll encounter these people often. Shoo them aside and gravitate towards people who will appreciate you and help you grow. |