pokatigoroschek 14.01.2008 17:16 |
Band: QUEEN Date: 1986.07.21 Venue: Stadthalle, Vienna, Austria Tour: Magic Tour Record label: SRS Records Lineage: audience>?>bootleg>EAC (secure)> WAV (lossles)> >Flac Frontend (Level 8)>FLAC One more show from Magic tour. This one was shared here once before as torrent (link as far as I can judge from search results, which btw are not so relieable... Anyway, 21 July 1986 Vienna, a couple of days after gig in Cologne ... and second time in a row Freddie forgets the lyrics to the second verse of Radio Ga-Ga!!! This is LOL!!!! He improvises some lalalas and it's nothing but a plain fun!! Unfortunately, as far as I am concerned this is the only interesting fact about this show. In fact, just your average Magic gig with only one nice surprise being short Mustapha intro and audience singing Happy Birthday to Brian. P.S. Oh wait, there is some more!! I mean that track listing on the cover of bootleg which directly says: Under Pleasure... Tell me it is not hilarious! Track list: Disc 1: 01. Intro 02. One Vision 03. Tie Your Mother Down 04. In the Lap Of The God...Revisited 05. Seven Seas Of Rhye 06. Tear It Up 07. A Kind Of Magic 08. Under Pleasure (!) 09. Another One Bites The Dust 10. Mustapha (intro) - Who Wants To Live Forever 11. I Want To Break Free 12. Impromptu 13. Guitar solo 14. Now I'm Here 15. Love Of My Life 16. Is this the World We Created? Length 64:19 Disc 2 01. You're So Square 02. Hello Mary You (!!) 03. Tutti Frutti 04. Bohemian Rhapsody 05. Hammer To Fall 06. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 07. Radio Ga Ga 08. We Will Rock You 09. Friends Will Be Friends 10. We Are The Champions 11. God Save The Queen Length 40:17 EAC-Logs and fingerprints are included. No artwork! link link link link link link link link P.S. Feel free to make a torrent of it, if there are requests. However, DO NOT feel free to share it anywhere in lossy format!!!!!!! |
mogiggymo 14.01.2008 18:19 |
Hi Thanks for the share, like many Rapidshare simply does not happen for me. Can anyone put this on Torrent? |
SCOM 14.01.2008 19:53 |
Thanks a lot. |
The Real Wizard 15.01.2008 00:09 |
I have a first gen copy of this show, so could someone please post a small sample so I can compare it to my copy? That way we can perhaps attach some lineage to this share. |
pokatigoroschek 15.01.2008 02:39 |
link Since I do not know how to do samples, I uploaded 1 whole song, but a short one. I hope this is gonna make no trouble for you, Sir GH. |
Ginger01 15.01.2008 02:52 |
Thanks so much for sharing this! Now at last I can upgrade my old mp3 version.... I'll torrent it tonight or tomorrow, for those who aren't comfortable using Rapidshare. |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 03:22 |
Many Thanks for this !! And once again, thanks a lot Ginger for the torrent offer !! Regards, Olivier, France. |
daffy_the_duck 15.01.2008 04:48 |
Like Ginger,I only had an old mp3 version of this show. So thank you very much for this upgrade! |
vivequeen 15.01.2008 05:13 |
I check Hello mary lou with EAC and to me the spectrum seems to be generate by a mp3 sorry |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 05:26 |
I second Vivequeen on that, Audiochecker gives me for all files "This track looks like MPEG with probability 95%". So this is only mp3 disguised as Flac. Some could ask whether it was made intentionnally or not, so I'm asking it first and politely. Was this bootleg taken from silvers, and did you took those files from a copy of the silvers ? Have you converted those files to mp3 at one moment (which is not shown in the lineage) ? If someone has the silver of this show, is it possible to check if the silvers were not made from mp3s too ? Regards, Olivier, France. |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 05:32 |
OK I just remember that I have this bootleg 'Live In Vienna Austria July 21, 1986' from SRS Records. So I'm gonna check it today, and it is not mp3-sourced, I could try to upload it in real Flac this time. More news this afternoon !! PS: Ginger, maybe you should stop the torrent for the moment ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
daffy_the_duck 15.01.2008 05:35 |
thx for the info olivier |
pokatigoroschek 15.01.2008 06:26 |
This is nonosense!!!! just try to decode those FLAC files and you'll see that they are 100% lossles wav-files! Your insults are simply ridiculous, r.o. Just get rid of that smart-ass attitude! Ever heard of EAC-Logs????? if not I recommend you and all others who do not know a thing about it to take a look at them.... |
pittrek 15.01.2008 06:48 |
Could somebody please post here a frequency analysis ? Just to end this "discussion" |
vivequeen 15.01.2008 06:57 |
All my apologies pokatigoroschek I would'nt heart you the fact is that I download this concert in flac some years ago in queenzone and recently I have check this and to my surprise the flac files i have was a mp3 sourced so it possible that just like me you are download the same version of me here It's that why I don't want to blame you or whatever because i think , you have been deceived as me |
xaxaxx 15.01.2008 07:09 |
Please don't be offended, pokatigoroschek. I am sure it is not meant as any "personal attack" - serious collectors simply want to know what kind of files they are getting. It's discussion, not criticism. Oh, and I know what I am talking about. The fact that files are ripped from a CD is in no way a guarantee that the files are lossless. The bootleggers may have used lossy files - that is unfortunately not too uncommon. Or, you may rip them from a CDR burnt as an audio CD from lossy files. Once the audio has been converted to mp3 (or other lossy formats), there is no way you can turn them back to what they were. You can change the format to .wav or .flac, or whatever, but you can not improve the quality by changing the format. All that happens is that the format may trick you into thinking that lossy files are lossless. So, I truly believe that your conscience is clear, pokatigoroschek. It does not change the fact: these files are lossy. I have checked them using the spectral view in Adobe Audition, and they show the sharp cutoff at 16kHz that is typical for mp3 files. |
xaxaxx 15.01.2008 07:20 |
Oh, and here's a screenshot. It seems you can't add attachments when you want to edit a post, so I have to double-post. ;-) |
vivequeen 15.01.2008 07:21 |
link sorry I don't know how to make diferently lol I hope it works |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 07:48 |
Hello everyone, I checked the silver tracks. They are mp3-sourced !!! So no use to re-upload my files. I used Audiochecker for this, and it keeps telling me MPEG sourced with probability 95%. So we can now tell for sure that the bootleggers used lossy stuff to compile their bootleg. So this is not the best source to use for this !! Do anyone know about a better source, a lossless one, or is this the only version available ? If someone has a lossless version, can he tell us how he got it and if he can share this version here ? Another question, do someone know about other bootlegs (silvers of course) that were MP3-sourced ? thanks a lot ! Regards, Olivier. |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 08:02 |
PS : pokatigoroschek, could you please edit your post to indicate that this is lossy, to avoid anyone being mistaken ? That's a shame that bootleggers do that to recordings. Such a pity. Nice move to share this anyway, you could not know that !! Regards, Olivier, France. |
pittrek 15.01.2008 08:15 |
Bob has a first-gen copy |
Yara 15.01.2008 09:02 |
Seems to be a heavily edited concert with a good deal of overdubbing. What do you think? |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 09:19 |
You got this 1st gen copy Bob ? Agree to share here ? Someone is going to share the second night, the 22nd July here in a few days, it could be nice to have both gigs next !!! Regards, Olivier, France. |
The Real Wizard 15.01.2008 10:49 |
xaxaxx wrote: Please don't be offended, pokatigoroschek. I am sure it is not meant as any "personal attack" - serious collectors simply want to know what kind of files they are getting. It's discussion, not criticism. Oh, and I know what I am talking about. The fact that files are ripped from a CD is in no way a guarantee that the files are lossless. The bootleggers may have used lossy files - that is unfortunately not too uncommon. Or, you may rip them from a CDR burnt as an audio CD from lossy files. Once the audio has been converted to mp3 (or other lossy formats), there is no way you can turn them back to what they were. You can change the format to .wav or .flac, or whatever, but you can not improve the quality by changing the format. All that happens is that the format may trick you into thinking that lossy files are lossless. So, I truly believe that your conscience is clear, pokatigoroschek. It does not change the fact: these files are lossy. I have checked them using the spectral view in Adobe Audition, and they show the sharp cutoff at 16kHz that is typical for mp3 files.Thank you for making sense. To pokatigoroschek... please don't take any of this personally. We know it's not your fault that you bought lossy silvers! Unfortunately, in this digital age, even silvers can sometimes be lossy. At most major trading forums, it would be pulled, and you may even be banned for sharing it. Here you just get people telling you it's lossy. And to be honest, it sounds horrible. It sounds like 128 kbps mp3s, at best. Here's a sample of the first gen: link Most of us just think it makes sense that only one version should circulate... the best one! So, I'll share my first gen copy after the links to this copy are removed. Fair? |
Queenrockyou 15.01.2008 12:05 |
Great News!!! Thanks a lot bob ! Regards, Olivier, France. |
on my way up 15.01.2008 12:26 |
Very fair indeed, bob:-) |
Cygnus X-1 15.01.2008 12:30 |
Great news, having that lossless would be awesome! Thanks Bob. |
Ginger01 15.01.2008 17:52 |
Perfectly fair. I never started the torrent, so dont have anything to stop :) Thge 22/7 concert was shared on Dime a week or so ago, if no one else uploads it here I will. |
Yara 15.01.2008 21:38 |
I have this concert and it always seemed to me a bit...well, strange. There's overdubbing, no question about it. I suspect it's a collection of concerts improved in a studio to make Freddie's voice sound louder and higher. The sound is awkward, all too awkward to be a soundboard recording or a FM broadcast. It was clearly manipulated. I don't have the time to dig into it, but this one is definitely out of my league. I've been listening to Stockholm 82 and I'm just amazed at their performence of Bohemian. Taylor and Freddie are on fire. Freddie takes the Grand Finale flawlessly, it's just perfect. His "ooooooh baby" is not only longer than usual, even in official releases, but also probably a semitone higher than the studio version and, most importantly, the whole line is done WITHOUT ANY VIBRATO. ANY. ANY, ANY. You can search for it, you won't find it. It's a perfectly executed long note as smooth and clear as anyone could wish. Just great. And...you might be waiting for me to talk about Under Pressure. Well, the whole thing is not really good, but the last part is amazing: they do it exactly as it sounds in the studio. They don't let the pitch drop. Taylor is fantastic because he takes Freddie up to the skies with him and with a lot of energy. Stockholm 82 is by no means a good concert. It has its moments of fun and, frankly, some jewels in it. |
Queenrockyou 16.01.2008 02:10 |
Hey Ginger ! Someone (I don't remember who) said he would upload this gig in the next days, the 22nd I mean, so don't bother !!! regards, Olivier, France. |
The Real Wizard 16.01.2008 11:06 |
Yara wrote: There's overdubbing, no question about it. I suspect it's a collection of concerts improved in a studio to make Freddie's voice sound louder and higher. The sound is awkward, all too awkward to be a soundboard recording or a FM broadcast. It was clearly manipulated.It's simply a recording made from the audience. You're looking far too much into it. :) I've been listening to Stockholm 82 and I'm just amazed at their performence of Bohemian. Taylor and Freddie are on fire. Freddie takes the Grand Finale flawlessly, it's just perfect. His "ooooooh baby" is not only longer than usual, even in official releases, but also probably a semitone higher than the studio version and, most importantly, the whole line is done WITHOUT ANY VIBRATO. ANY. ANY, ANY. You can search for it, you won't find it. It's a perfectly executed long note as smooth and clear as anyone could wish.Good observation. That was indeed glorious to listen to. But it was definitely at the same pitch as the original. If it was a semitone up, it would've sounded brutal! ruth.olivier wrote: Hey Ginger ! Someone (I don't remember who) said he would upload this gig in the next days, the 22nd I mean, so don't bother !!!Hey, it's fair game! The sooner, the better! |
Yara 16.01.2008 12:22 |
Sir GH wrote:. It's simply a recording made from the audience. You're looking far too much into it. :)lol I almost fell off the chair upon reading this. You're right, I think this website got me totally neurotic. I wished there were a freeware program to analyse this kind of stuff. Good observation. That was indeed glorious to listen to. But it was definitely at the same pitch as the original. If it was a semitone up, it would've sounded brutal!Well, but it did sound brutal to me! lol I have to admit, though, that I haven't listened to the original for some good deal of time. I like that syncopation in Live Killer: "ohh...baby, can't do-this TO-ME Baby", it's hard to reproduce. lol. It may sound ridiculous, but I liked that. Ok, he got late into the verse, but the result was interesting. :-)))) I think I'm a bit derranged: I like things when they don't work as intended. lol Well, many thanks for the reply. :-) |
The Real Wizard 16.01.2008 18:44 |
Yara wrote: lol I almost fell off the chair upon reading this. You're right, I think this website got me totally neurotic. I wished there were a freeware program to analyse this kind of stuff.Haha... there's nothing to analyse, honestly. :) The overwhelming majority of unofficial recordings are audience recordings. If you can hear people in the audience between songs (or even during songs) close by, then it's an audience recording. Well, many thanks for the reply. :-)Any time! |
vlatko 16.01.2008 20:31 |
Yara wrote: His "ooooooh baby" is not only longer than usual, even in official releases, but also probably a semitone higher than the studio versionHi Yara, you have interesting points. But it's obvious the note that fits perfectly into harmony of the song can't be a semitone higher. That made me try to figure out how could you get that idea. So I checked all the songs of Stockholm 82 playing my keyboard along with and found out that all songs of CD2 are above the correct pitch, maybe not the whole semitone but the difference in pitch between CD1 and CD2 is very clear. Also the pitch of the CD1 is not perfect but acceptable without noticing. I do agree the finale of Bo Rhap is sung really great but I think the first line is a bit shaky (so you THINK you can STOLE me), especially STOLE is clearly out of tune. But that's just a detail, I really don't mind it. Just another proof he was a human :) |
pokatigoroschek 16.01.2008 22:55 |
I am deeply sorry for that freak-out 2 days ago, most of all before ruth.olivier... I did not even relate to those fake WAV, just some circumstances I've been going through recentely. Since I have no idea how to edit posts, I simply killed all the links. P.S. Sorry for not showing up earlier, to all misery my connection was down these 2 days. |
Queenrockyou 17.01.2008 01:34 |
hi Pokatigoroscheck ! No problem with those "fake" wav's, you could not know that a bootleg could be mp3-sourced, I was quite surprised myself too ! I just wanted to ask you politely how you got the tracks because I was quite sure someone would have talked to you nastly because of the fact that it seemed you disguised mp3 as Flac ! Such a strange thing that a bootleg can be taken from lossy source... But this one was not the best source, and we're fortunate that Bob agreed to share a better recording of this, and lossless ! Many thanks for having shared your files !!! It's nice to see someone sharing instead of keeping for himself. Regards, Olivier, France. |
thoomy 17.01.2008 08:20 |
Hello, everybody. I thank for a precious share! I downloaded it "part1" to "part4", But... Why was it deleted? |
SCOM 17.01.2008 08:38 |
thoomy wrote: Hello, everybody. I thank for a precious share! I downloaded it "part1" to "part4", But... Why was it deleted?Because is lossy. |
The Real Wizard 17.01.2008 18:32 |
pokatigoroschek wrote: I am deeply sorry for that freak-out 2 days ago, most of all before ruth.olivier... I did not even relate to those fake WAV, just some circumstances I've been going through recentely. Since I have no idea how to edit posts, I simply killed all the links. P.S. Sorry for not showing up earlier, to all misery my connection was down these 2 days.It's okay! I'm glad you understand. But for editing posts in the future, just click on the left-most of the three buttons on top of your post. So, fair is fair. Expect the master transfer here shortly. :) |