| rg9l 12.01.2008 18:03 |
Hi, thi spring/summer/autumn I'm going to see a plenty of concerts, some in a stadium and some in a pub near my home; my question is: what is the best way to record concerts? I mean, I tried to record a show with my mp3 players (very silly!) and the result was a shit. Who can help me? |
| Penetration_Guru 12.01.2008 18:12 |
get either a better mp3 player (that records in WAV) or a minidisc player (if you're going old school). Also, look to invest in the best microphone you can afford. |
| rg9l 12.01.2008 19:40 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: get either a better mp3 player (that records in WAV) or a minidisc player (if you're going old school). Also, look to invest in the best microphone you can afford.I'm looking for everything except a mp3 player :-D Ok, tell me all about the best minidisc player and what mic do you council? I'm thinkin' of a Shure SM57...do you mean dinamyc mics? |
| Raf 12.01.2008 19:46 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: get either a better mp3 player (that records in WAV) or a minidisc player (if you're going old school). Also, look to invest in the best microphone you can afford.Minidiscs are lossy. link |
| inu-liger 13.01.2008 01:12 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:Not the Hi-MD kind. I have one Hi-MD recorder, and it records in lossless CD-quality PCM (I used it for Roger Waters last year)Penetration_Guru wrote: get either a better mp3 player (that records in WAV) or a minidisc player (if you're going old school). Also, look to invest in the best microphone you can afford.Minidiscs are lossy. link As for microphones, unless you want to invest in Schoeps which I hear are the best but really expensive, I recommend link They have microphones that can be custom made to include a croakie mount design. I use that as it's a nice stealth recording method....no-one can tell :) I recorded 4 concerts myself with it, and a friend of mine used it on a loan basis while in Japan to record an anime concert for me. |
| you_rock_my_socks06 13.01.2008 07:22 |
Get a digital camera, a good one. |
| BradJarre 13.01.2008 08:37 |
you can do it with a phone to,My n73 sound and video quality is very good. But for just audio,Maybe you should buy these memorecorders,There not to expensive i mean you pay around 100bucks and you get mp3 audio recording and about 1gig free memory for about 100-200hours of recording. |
| Ms. Rebel 13.01.2008 08:51 |
Like when I was recording Queen tribute band with my cell phone. Sound is awful, makes your ears bleed :P Buy digital camera ;) |
| Raf 13.01.2008 09:51 |
Digital cameras are good for a few clips, but the result is lossy. To film a concert, better invest on a real video camera. Nowadays there are some good ones at decent prices that record in DVD format. Bradley, sorry, but mobile videos will only be "good quality" if played on small screens. Watch that on your TV and you'll see lots of blurred pixels. And, as Ms. Rebel pointed out, if you record anything at a CONCERT using a mobile, the sound will be awful. Your mobile might do well when it's you in your bedroom making a video message to put on your blog, but if you use it among a massive noisy crowd, with loud music blasting, it won't work well. The sound will make you think someone set your phone to record, and then dropped it inside the washing machine. @ Inu-Liger: Cool! Are they expensive? |
| rg9l 13.01.2008 16:02 |
I don't want to take any footage of the shows and I won't buy a cell-phone, damn, i hate those little crazy devices! Just an audio-recorder. What mini-disk player do you raccomend (model)? And microphone (model again)? Thank you for your kind replies :-D Riccardo |
| Lisser 13.01.2008 21:27 |
I prefer the shove the camcorder down your pants method, get past security, and film kind. ;) |
| Mr.Jingles 14.01.2008 08:22 |
For those of you girls trying to sneak in recording cameras, a box of pads or tampons is the best place to hide them. No security guard will have the guts to ask you to open it. |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 14.01.2008 10:11 |
For me, FOR THE REASONABLE MONEY, the best two ways are: 1. Sony Walkman MZ-RH1/MZ-NH900 + 1GB Hi-MD disc + Sony ECM-719 (external stereo microphone, really great, like-professional-sound!) These Sony Walkmans record in PCM mode – recording in PCM mode it gives 94 min maximum recording time using 1Gb Hi-MD. Important! – They ALSO have Hi-SP mode (it is the second after PCM) and you get 475 min recording space in this mode. Your ears don’t feel the difference between lossless PCM and Hi-SP (I always recorded our rehearsals in this mode). Beautiful Sony ECM-719 is here: link 2. Zoom H2 Surround (!!!) recorder + 8Gb SD card Greatest NEW equipment that even kicks Sony Walkman MD! It even records into 4-channels using 2 front and 2 rear internal microphones!!! It records in PCM 96 kHz/24-bit and with 8Gb SD card you have around 240 min recording time (in 2-channels STEREO mode). Look at these two links, the second review has samples!: link link My MZ-NH900 was broken in a year and I only recorded our rehearsals in a room. Hope it helps, Queen lovers! |
| rg9l 14.01.2008 13:08 |
Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II wrote: 2. Zoom H2 Surround (!!!) recorder + 8Gb SD card Greatest NEW equipment that even kicks Sony Walkman MD! It even records into 4-channels using 2 front and 2 rear internal microphones!!! It records in PCM 96 kHz/24-bit and with 8Gb SD card you have around 240 min recording time (in 2-channels STEREO mode). Look at these two links, the second review has samples!: link linkWhoa, this kicks ass! I've got a review on a guitar magazine and they says it's a good device....it costs a lot for me, but I think I'll save money for this...in addition, I'm looking for a system to record myself while I'm playing, so this would tie the games! Thank you for your advice! One thing: when I'm at the gig, where is the best position to keep the Zoom? Regards, Riccardo |
| Seven_Seas_Of_Rhye II 14.01.2008 16:19 |
I really don't guess how to hold Zoom at gig when you're recording. I think if I buy it I will use stereo EXternal microphone (Sony ECM-719 for example). Maybe to stick it to the cap - that would be the way to hide it :-)) |
| Penetration_Guru 14.01.2008 16:57 |
If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking. With an external mic, that Zoom H2 looks like a decent option. |
| inu-liger 14.01.2008 22:43 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking.Indeed. And that's around, if not more on how much I spent on the microphones, battery module (= signal booster), and the Sony Hi-MD recorder I got back in June last year, though actually I prefer the Roland Edirol R-09 digital SD card-based recorders....THOSE will record in 48/24 quality, and I've never been disappointed in their quality :) If you can find one for rental, since a new one goes for at least $200-$300 US brand new, it's worth it if you're doing just a few shows or less in one year (I'm lucky that a music store here in town actually rents these...) If you plan to record more than several shows in a year and over time, it's worth it to buy it with the microphones and battery module. Oh and I do apologize, I forgot to mention the battery modules previously....this is what I use since I use the line-in ports on the recorders: link MM-CBM-Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter module Regular Price: US$ 69.95 / Sale Price: US$ 49.95 These are essential for stereo line-in recordings, as the microphone signal is too weak for line-in ports, and it's not a good idea to use microphone in ports as, even though those have an internal signal booster, it's in mono only and can get more easily distorted, which I prefer to avoid (plus, I hate mono quality) If you have an account at DimeADozen, look for a Police boot called "Live At Commonwealth Stadium", from Edmonton, Canada...that was the first show I booted in 2007. (I've also booted Roger Waters, Spice Girls (in Vancouver), and Van Halen, but I've not uploaded those yet) |
| rg9l 15.01.2008 09:25 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: If $200 is too much to invest, I suggest you're not that serious about what you're asking. With an external mic, that Zoom H2 looks like a decent option.I don't mean is too much, I mean I haven't got the money at the time and probabily if I buy next Christmas; I'm 16, I don't have a work and I can't spend 200$ (134€) at the time. The Zoom sounds good, I might try to buy it with an external mic...thank you Inu-liger for your advice, but I don't really like Roland/Boss products... Thank you for your thoughts guys, now it's time to save money! :-) Riccardo |
| Queenrockyou 26.03.2008 12:49 |
So let me sum up, one of the god options for recording the Queen shows is : A Zoom H2 (found around 200 €) A 8GB SD card (found around 30 €) An external mic Sony EMC-719 (around 85 €) A MM CMB Mini Miniature Classic Battery / Filter Module (around 40 €) Is it all needed ? I heard some negative reviews about the Sony external mic, what could be a good alternative to this one ? Is there anything we should know about this material and the configuration we need or have to avoid to use ? And last question, where is the best place to record a Queen show ? Is it in front of the stage, or close to the soundboard ? I had never recorded any show before, but I would be pleased to record some of the gigs this year. But I'm a newbie and would be glad to have some help from the experts here !! Regards, Olivier, France. |
| teddi2002 26.03.2008 15:27 |
I would bring a portable computer, a lexicon omega soundcard and two ADK A-51 Microphones. I would also use Cubase to record. If the police comes, I would blame you! |
| TheGame 26.03.2008 16:03 |
I've read many good things about the Church CA-11 Cardioid mics. The price is quite nice and stated as bit better than the AT831 ( which is some cheaper). The price is US$120. Perhaps an alternative to a pair of mics? Else we have various soundprofessional and core-sound mics. As for the recorder, i'd go for the edirol r-09. Seems like that provide some nice features. |
| inu-liger 26.03.2008 21:46 |
Edirol R-09's are the best, IMO. They can record up to 48/24, and support SDHC cards of any size (provided they have the proper firmware installed). I've used it for 3 of the 4 concerts I bootlegged last year myself, as well as having a friend in Japan record a concert there, using the Edirol and my other equipment on a temporary loan basis, back in August. Church Cardioids are good as well. An acquaintance I recently met up with, used those at the same Roger Waters concert I was at. You can hear the matrixed version of our sources (mine using Sound Professionals) at: link As well as the individual source versions: link (his) link (mine) Decide for yourself on what kind of sound you're going for, based on these two examples :) |
| Deacon Fan 27.03.2008 00:18 |
Y'all should listen to inu's advice. His concerts sound fantastic :) |
| TheGame 27.03.2008 07:43 |
Thanks for info inu-liger. I checked the two sites, but the files are too big to download. However, is it really fair to compare cardiod and binaurals up against eachother? Regarding recorder. Everybody says read there and here, but its not easy when everybody have different opinions. Many prefer the Marantz 620, others suggest the olympus LS-10 and others suggest Edirol R-09 ( but many think it have poor built quality and there are some jack issues). So, easy to get confused for a newbie. |
| rg9l 27.03.2008 12:43 |
What's the difference between 'binaural', 'cardioid' and 'monidirectional' mics? What is reccomended to use for taping concerts? |
| Madman 27.03.2008 13:13 |
Ok, my equipment that I used of a last few months to record / archive some local bands: - Panasonic NV-GS320 (mini dv, 3 ccd)- this camcorder have AGC (automatic gain control of sound) so if sound is very loud, music will be probably distorted. Then we need some audio recorder to synch video with audio. Panasonic is little maybe grainy in dark places but If someones don't like this then Sony HC96 will be also great. Other camera that I sometimes use is old but great, mostly in close-ups, SONY DCR-TRV 820 from Digital 8 video format. - audio recorded Zoom H2 - very cheep compared to Edirol and some others and also excellent. Last time I record in stereo 160min with cheep 2GB SD card (Transcend)in lossless quality (48kHz). Here I use two GP NiMH 2700mAh rechargeable batteries. - if I stay close to 'soundspeakers' then also mic Nady CM-2S (cheeper then Audio-technica mic and compared by few peopole with alsmost the same sound) with some home made pad -10dB (or -20 if music is realy loud and when there's no chance to more reduce gain in Zoom) PS: Some my :P video shoots (sorry for quality in youtube, much much better of course on dvd) are here (I'm user LuckyGuy1982), this shoots don't present Zoom recorder but mostly show camera angles: Panasonic examples link link link (you will exactly hear worser sound cos I stay about 2meters from speakers and don't use any pad to mic) link link link link link Sony (digital 8) with Nady mic (-20dB pad) examples link link link link Cheers Ps Sorry for my language. |