| rmp 28.12.2007 08:00 |
Hi everyone, today I drove 60 kilometers to get the "new mix" of SINT on single cd. Perhaps I´m def, but the physical release sounds exactly the same as the free download version. This "new version" thing seems only to be a marketing strategy.... Not only a physical release, also a physical Verarschung (I can´t translate this word into english) |
| pittrek 28.12.2007 08:24 |
Isn't it only a Luxembourgh-only version ? Verarschung - maybe "shitting" ? |
| vonkeil 28.12.2007 10:01 |
Couldn't make out any differences to the download version either!!?? At least I was hoping they would leave out the flanger effects.. |
| rmp 28.12.2007 10:10 |
Yes, shitting may be the right word. The cd version sounds exactly the same, there´s still an echo on Roger´s and Brian´s voices, absolutely no differences. I was hoping for an other end of the song, because I think it ends too soon. A guitar outro by Brian in typical Red Special style would have been the better thing than this fading keyboard sound. |
| steven 35638 29.12.2007 00:11 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be released on December 31, 2007? How could you guys possibly purchase the single if it hasn't been released yet? |
| Knute 29.12.2007 02:42 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be released on December 31, 2007? How could you guys possibly purchase the single if it hasn't been released yet?That's what I was thinking. Could they have gotten a pirated copy? |
| Joeker 29.12.2007 02:45 |
fake possibly? |
| vonkeil 29.12.2007 03:20 |
Germany released the single a little earlier, on Dec. 28th. |
| rmp 29.12.2007 04:14 |
No fake! Germany releases discs on Fridays! Official German release date was 28 th December. And guys, please notice: I wrote that I drove 60 kilometers to get the single cd, so I don´ think they´re selling fake disc at SATURN, one of the biggest German hi-fi shops. Here are too many people who are absolutely negative! Everything they don´t know is a fake... |
| pittrek 29.12.2007 06:52 |
That's why I asked if it isn't only a "localised" version, released specially for your country. It was pretty common for Queen to release different song versions for some countries |
| Pim Derks 29.12.2007 07:04 |
pittrek wrote: That's why I asked if it isn't only a "localised" version, released specially for your country. It was pretty common for Queen to release different song versions for some countriesName one example. Yes, they had different edits for some countries, but no completely different mix. |
| steven 35638 29.12.2007 10:54 |
I never knew Germany or any other country had special privileges. I'm not doubting the alleged truth of the matter, but I am quite skeptical as I have not once read a notice on the Queen website about earlier release dates for other specific nations. It would be safe to assume, as with any other non-German on this thread, that the single that is spoken of is indeed a fake. In fact, by what has been said I would be VERY sure in saying the release is a fake. According to the owners of this mix they all complain not much if anything has changed with the song, when Queen specifically promised us a new mix with additional treatment. But, as I said before, I'm not rejecting the alleged claim, I'm simply skeptical of it. |
| Pim Derks 29.12.2007 11:28 |
I seriously doubt a bootlegger would release a track by QPR and sell thousands of copies of it to a huuuuge chain of stores in Germany. |
| Walter B. 29.12.2007 11:50 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: I never knew Germany or any other country had special privileges. I'm not doubting the alleged truth of the matter, but I am quite skeptical as I have not once read a notice on the Queen website about earlier release dates for other specific nations. It would be safe to assume, as with any other non-German on this thread, that the single that is spoken of is indeed a fake. In fact, by what has been said I would be VERY sure in saying the release is a fake. According to the owners of this mix they all complain not much if anything has changed with the song, when Queen specifically promised us a new mix with additional treatment. But, as I said before, I'm not rejecting the alleged claim, I'm simply skeptical of it.German release date: link link Please read the press release from December 12th - link excerpt: Queen’s first new studio recording in ten years and Paul Rodgers’ first in 7 years, the track is being rush-released by Parlophone/EMI throughout the world excluding North America to be available by the end of the year In South Africa, where the December 1 World Aids Day 46664 concert took place, the single will be on sale within a matter of days. I haven't been able to find the South-African releasedate though. |
| John S Stuart 29.12.2007 12:01 |
First: This thread has turned into little to do with Queen, but with distribution instead. How distribution works, is that a collaboration of companies agree to release a product on a given date. This date is not law - but a retail recommendation or agreement. So Disney for example set a date (eg: Monday 7th April 2007) to release 'Ratatouille' on DVD. Prior to this date they need to stamp 100,000 DVDS, and deliver all these stocks to individual shops or suppliers. To 'buffer' any problems, most stores would have their stock copies for the previous Thursday (3rd April) - ready for public sale on the Monday (7th April). That is why stores can sell 'Harry Potter' at the stroke of midnight, because the merchandise has been sitting in the store for the last few days. Now, this is only an agreement, and some stores (usually big chains) can do as they please - and sell stock early (the Saturday before the Monday) - as they know that they are too big a chain for Disney to penalise. This also frequently happens with Play.com. They send out parcels on Friday PM to guarantee arrival by the Monday morning, but sometimes, if one is lucky, the parcel will arrive on the Saturday - two days full days BEFORE the release date. Second: So personally, I believe that the 'German guys' have not only bought official versions early, but that these versions will be the CD versions of the official download. I guess there will be a minimum of difference to Keep QPL on the correct side of the law - but, by announcing this slight change as a remix will not be viewed as a public con - but as a great and positive marketing strategy - in that we have all gone out and bought the same tat twice. Brilliant! |
| rmp 29.12.2007 12:24 |
I don´t konow where´s the problem for some people here????? ALL new releases of music are released in Germany on Fridays. So, of course, in Germany you´ll get the music a few days earlier, not one week later, because Germany is one of the biggest music-markets in Europe. And again, it´s no fake, I went to the shop and bought two of this absolutely real single-cd with it´s ugly black cover as shown on Queenonline.com... Price: € 2,99 And again: It´s the same version as given for free from Queenonline.com. The sound is better, because it´s no MP3.... (no, I´m not a flac-freak!!!!!!!!!) I started this discussion because I wanted to know if other people think the same about the offered "new" version. But the only thing that happens is that other people claim that I buy illegal discs or grab music from the net? Please take a look at this picture and believe! Believe guys, believe!!!!! In the background you see an other nice item of mine. Also no fake. link |
| rmp 29.12.2007 12:29 |
link Sorry, here´s the correct link |
| John S Stuart 29.12.2007 12:33 |
rmp wrote: I started this discussion because I wanted to know if other people think the same about the offered "new" version... Please take a look at this picture and believe! Believe guys, believe!!!!!I believe you, I believe... but your link does not work. Can you change it to one which does? |
| John S Stuart 29.12.2007 12:38 |
rmp wrote: I started this discussion because I wanted to know if other people think the same about the offered "new" version... Please take a look at this picture and believe! Believe guys, believe!!!!!I believe you, I believe... but your link does not work. Can you change it to one which does? EDIT: Downloaded the new link. What a depressing cover. With the artists and song title set in different fonts - it now reads as a criticism of the CD - ie - Brian May, Roger Taylor, Queen and Paul Rodgers: 'Say It's NOT true' (as in please God - say it's not true!) |
| rmp 29.12.2007 12:48 |
It´s true!!!! But as long as they make good music their name could be "Spitney Brears" or whatever....it doesn´t matter to me. PS: I also bought the song at i-tunes hoping for a new version. But it´s also the same one.... So I did something for the charts three (!)times, but only one time for me (...). I´m very angry about the release-poltics of our favourite band! Maybe we´ll get a brilliant blues album (aaaaarggghhh). Who knows.....? |
| Deacon Fan 29.12.2007 12:58 |
rmp, do you have the ability to share at least a bit of it in flac? Like 30 seconds or so? Then we could better discuss whether it sounds any better or not. It'll be a couple weeks before I get a copy of the single and I'm curious :) |
| rmp 29.12.2007 13:05 |
Sorry, I don´t have a progamme to convert it into flac. I don´t like flac. But please don´t start a new discussion ´bout that flac/mp3 thing... Trust me. If you have the free version you have the same as on cd. Only the sound is of course slightly better! |
| Penetration_Guru 29.12.2007 13:47 |
John S Stuart wrote: I guess there will be a minimum of difference to Keep QPL on the correct side of the law - but, by announcing this slight change as a remix will not be viewed as a public con - but as a great and positive marketing strategy - in that we have all gone out and bought the same tat twice. Brilliant!How much did you pay for the first one, and how far "out" did you have to travel to do so? |
| John S Stuart 29.12.2007 14:20 |
Penetration_Guru wrote:Sorry, I am getting old.John S Stuart wrote: I guess there will be a minimum of difference to Keep QPL on the correct side of the law - but, by announcing this slight change as a remix will not be viewed as a public con - but as a great and positive marketing strategy - in that we have all gone out and bought the same tat twice. Brilliant!How much did you pay for the first one, and how far "out" did you have to travel to do so? You are indeed correct. The first one was a 'freebie' - I forgot that. I thought I purchased via I-tunes - but I remembered wrong. I did order the second one through 'Queen-online', so hopefully it should arrive soon. I must have mixed them up inside my head. Personally, I will prefer the CD to a download - so that should keep me happy. (PS: This old age thing will come to you all!) |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 01.01.2008 16:06 |
John S Stuart wrote: (PS: This old age thing will come to you all!)That is, IF they're lucky enough to get there! :D Cheers, Ogre- |
| FriedChicken 02.01.2008 05:20 |
I wonder if it's really the same mix Maybe the topicstarter thought "Hey, they didn't change the effect on the vocals. And therefore it's the same mix" |
| Deacon Fan 02.01.2008 09:44 |
Yeah if only someone who knows how to share an audio sample was able to purchase it now and let us hear. But what are the odds of that anyway? |
| John S Stuart 02.01.2008 11:22 |
J7 wrote: Yeah if only someone who knows how to share an audio sample was able to purchase it now and let us hear. But what are the odds of that anyway?Why not just buy it - and hear it for yourself? Surely a nice new CD product is better than a degenerated sounding 'virtual disc'? Besides, adding it to your collection is not going to burst the bank - is it? (And if you don't have a collection - wouldn't this be a good place to start?). |
| jeffuk49 02.01.2008 11:51 |
did today from hmv can't say i noticed any difference, but hey its still nice to hold |
| ern2150 02.01.2008 15:23 |
JSS -- I'm in the US, and got some bogus email from parlophone or whomever about separate shipments, so I don't know if I'll ever get the damned CD. But anyway, I would like to hear your expert opinion -- does the download and the CD sound exactly the same? Once I get my hands on it I can compare it electronically to make sure, but I'm looking for a little info while I wait... |
| John S Stuart 02.01.2008 19:28 |
ern2150 wrote: JSS -- I'm in the US, and got some bogus email from parlophone or whomever about separate shipments, so I don't know if I'll ever get the damned CD. But anyway, I would like to hear your expert opinion -- does the download and the CD sound exactly the same? Once I get my hands on it I can compare it electronically to make sure, but I'm looking for a little info while I wait...Accepted. But as far as I know, this single can be ordered on-line from 'Queenonline.com', and can be shipped to anywhere in the world. So living in the USA (or anwhere else on the planet) should not be a hurdle. I do not have my copy delivered yet - but when it arrives - I will certainly pass on anything else I can add. |
| Deacon Fan 02.01.2008 19:47 |
I'm ordering it tomorrow. That's not the point. A sample would be nice so those of us not fucking blessed to live in goddamn Europe could participate in the fucking convo. Ahh well. I'll have mine in a week or so. |
| inu-liger 03.01.2008 11:26 |
I ordered my copy from Amazon UK as well, but it's still being 'prepared for shipment', and today is already the day it's supposed to be shipping out. (Edit: it shipped a few hours ago) If it's the same mix, I won't really care as much...just having it in lossless quality alone will be nice :) |
| Deacon Fan 03.01.2008 19:32 |
I forgot to add one more fuck. |
| Queenrockyou 04.01.2008 04:52 |
J7, we can't post anything official here, and I don't think that it is the place for posting something freshly official and new, even a snippet of it. Sorry. Regards, Olivier, France. |
| Deacon Fan 05.01.2008 12:18 |
ruth.olivier wrote: J7, we can't post anything official here, and I don't think that it is the place for posting something freshly official and new, even a snippet of it. Sorry. Regards, Olivier, France.Where'd you come up with that one? 30 or 45 secs of something would do no harm. Your attempt to create your own rules is charming however. |
| TheGame 05.01.2008 18:30 |
So, this new version which was supposed to get a proper remix....is indeed the same as the free download version... Oh well, i wont complain. I got the download version for free, so im saving those bucks atleast. |
| A Word In Your Ear 05.01.2008 21:23 |
It is the same, but hey!!!! what the hell, it's for charity & owning an official hard copy is not bad at all :-) |
| rmp 06.01.2008 04:37 |
Charity is ok. But it was a PURE LIE from them to say they offer a new mix! |
| Hitman 07.01.2008 15:47 |
uhmmm i wonder why Brian mentioned a different mix then....maybe "different mix" = lossless version? neah... at least in my dictionary |
| Vali 07.01.2008 18:19 |
ok ... just received my copy today. Seems the same mix, but the keyboards and guitars sound much clearer to me (hey, that was easy, all we had was a simple mp3!), and ... what follows is the main difference I´ve found,wich I really appreciate ... at last I´m not forced to turn down the volume when Paul joins the song ! Cheers everybody |
| Wiley 08.01.2008 10:33 |
Do the keyboard strings at the beginning still sound like something out of The Miracle sessions? That was a major let down and almost ruined it for me. Still, the second half of the song redeemed it, even if the guitar arrangement is just "Brian by numbers" and the solo is as derivative as the one in Q+Robbie's Champions. |
| Vali 08.01.2008 14:21 |
Have compared again different bits of the first section: yet, the keyboards are not a masterpiece work, of course, but now you can perceive them much clearer; the same applies for the guitars when Rog and Brian are singing. And thru this last listen I did ... well, maybe it´s only me, because everybody is still complaining again about that, but now I feel that the weird "filter" on Rog´s and Brian´s voices has been softened. Their voices arrive more pure to me, now. Just an advise: I´m a little bit cold so maybe my perception of reality is not that accurate, he he :) What it´s a fact is that the volume (or power or whatever precise technical word is said) of the 2nd section has been turned down. I liked it a lot the first time I listened to it in the mp3 download, but when I played it in a proper equipment (in my car), I always had to turn down the volume. But now it´s not the case, and the song flows good to me when passing from section 1 to section 2. For those who cannot find the single in their usual stores, please note it´s the same case here in Spain, so I ordered it thru a well known online music store that offers a huge collection of Queen (or any artist) rare / collecting material. Taking advantage that for limited time they offer free postage, I ordered Say It´s Not True and a couple more Queen CD singles. Queenonline also offers this option, of course! So anybody interested and with little patience can purchase it quickly. best regards |
