QueenZone discussion #1066638

<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: A lot, but the guitar orchestration in All Dead, All Dead still gives me chills down my spine. <3

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote: And I can bet the first person to reply is gonna be all like, "Simplistic garbage. KISS sucks."

koopa wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote: And I can bet the first person to reply is gonna be all like, "Simplistic garbage. KISS sucks."

Simplistic garbage. KISS su... ;) Actually that was pretty sweet! I didn't know Ace tapped. We all know that "Eruption" is the best guitar solo ever written, but here are some others that I've enjoyed: link link

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

koopa wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote: And I can bet the first person to reply is gonna be all like, "Simplistic garbage. KISS sucks."

Simplistic garbage. KISS su... ;) Actually that was pretty sweet! I didn't know Ace tapped. We all know that "Eruption" is the best guitar solo ever written, but here are some others that I've enjoyed: link link

Ha... Yeah, Ace was using the tapping technique before the rock world was introduced to the GOD, Eddie VH. Another INCREDIBLE guitarist, "Eruption" RULES!!

Adolfo wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote:

koopa wrote:

<font color=black>[~Space Ace~] wrote: And I can bet the first person to reply is gonna be all like, "Simplistic garbage. KISS sucks."

Simplistic garbage. KISS su... ;) Actually that was pretty sweet! I didn't know Ace tapped. We all know that "Eruption" is the best guitar solo ever written, but here are some others that I've enjoyed: link link

Ha... Yeah, Ace was using the tapping technique before the rock world was introduced to the GOD, Eddie VH. Another INCREDIBLE guitarist, "Eruption" RULES!!

actually tapping has been around for quite a while, brian may, richie blackmore and many others used it, but EVH was the one that made it what it is today, as brian once sayd, EVH redefined what was already defined

Leaky Luke wrote: Led Zeppelin - Heartbreaker.. especially live

Zebonka12 wrote: Well there goes the respectability of this thread... why don't you just do as the title implies and stick to 'your favourites', and leave other people alone? (For the record, the most hilarious Heartbreaker solo was in 1988. Watch it and weep!)

Leaky Luke wrote: Led Zeppelin - Heartbreaker.. especially live

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Well there goes the respectability of this thread... why don't you just do as the title implies and stick to 'your favourites', and leave other people alone? (For the record, the most hilarious Heartbreaker solo was in 1988. Watch it and weep!)

Why don't you just shut up and let me ask him if he was joking? Because I really can't believe it.

Zebonka12 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Well there goes the respectability of this thread... why don't you just do as the title implies and stick to 'your favourites', and leave other people alone? (For the record, the most hilarious Heartbreaker solo was in 1988. Watch it and weep!)

Why don't you just shut up and let me ask him if he was joking? Because I really can't believe it.

Oh grow up. We live in a world where Yanni can earn enough money from his music to live in a comfortable house. That, to me, says : "ANYTHING GOES".

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Well there goes the respectability of this thread... why don't you just do as the title implies and stick to 'your favourites', and leave other people alone? (For the record, the most hilarious Heartbreaker solo was in 1988. Watch it and weep!)

Why don't you just shut up and let me ask him if he was joking? Because I really can't believe it.

Oh grow up. We live in a world where Yanni can earn enough money from his music to live in a comfortable house. That, to me, says : "ANYTHING GOES".

still, the only answer I needed was a yes/no.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Er... no.

Micrówave wrote: Well, I googled one of those garbage lists to see of what THEY put in their top 100 even mattered to me, because it usually doesn't.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Er... no.

Maybe you dislike Page, but you can't really deny his talent. If you think you can deny the talent of a man who's influenced nearly all rock guitarists who came after him, then you should come up with something much better (which I doubt you can - sorry, Page was excellent) and totally free from Page's influences. Basically, reinvent rock guitar playing and make it sound good. Can you do that?

<font color=blue>Rick wrote: @Horsie Vai: What do you think about Steve Lukather? He's my favourite guitar player.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Deep Purple - Child In Time

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

<font color=blue>Rick wrote: @Horsie Vai: What do you think about Steve Lukather? He's my favourite guitar player.

You've already asked me that. Steve is a great player.

<font color=blue>Rick wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

<font color=blue>Rick wrote: @Horsie Vai: What do you think about Steve Lukather? He's my favourite guitar player.

You've already asked me that. Steve is a great player.

I did? I forgot then. Thanks for answering anyway ;-)

Mean Mr. Ketchup wrote: The Ramones - My Sharona

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Still, a guy who can't follow the most basic rhythm or properly bend a string and not go out of tune... is obviously not a great player.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: You don't influence others because you're good, you do because you are important. If you write a (good?) song, it doesn't mean you're a good guitar player or singer, it just means you wrote a song, which obviously can be good or not. (...) Eddie Van Halen said that Page inspired him to develop the tapping technique. Tapping had existed for more than a hundred years, tho. Then you might think JIMMY'S THE BEST, HE INFLUENCED EDDIE TO DEVELOP THE TAPPING but that's just wrong. Eddie said that when he saw Page doing this hammer on's and pull off's he thought about using his other hand to tap notes over the fretbpard. Eddie's the true genius coming up with this idea and being able to play it so well, not Page. He is obviously not a good player. The fact that he influenced other players doesn't have a thing to do with him playing the damn thing. The Sex Pistols also influenced lots of bands, and so did The Ramones. So they're amazingly good bands, great composers and outstanding players, right? What you say is like saying that the apple is the best fruit ever cuz it fell over Isaac Newton's head and made him formulate the law of gravity.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Jimmy is also well known as a plagiarist, so who's inventing then? Besides, creating things doesn't make you a good guitar player either. It's like saying that if some guy designs a new Formula 1 car, he's the best racer ever. What happens in your head and what you can do with your hands are two completely different things, which not necessarily go together.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Still, a guy who can't follow the most basic rhythm or properly bend a string and not go out of tune... is obviously not a great player.

You're talking bullshit. I did hear that there were times when he was too high or too drunk to play well. But overall, he was (and still is) a very good guitarist.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Ever heard "How The West Was Won"? If that live album doesn't prove Jimmy Page was a wonderful guitarist, then I give up on the guitar, because I cleary have no taste.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: You don't influence others because you're good, you do because you are important. If you write a (good?) song, it doesn't mean you're a good guitar player or singer, it just means you wrote a song, which obviously can be good or not. (...) Eddie Van Halen said that Page inspired him to develop the tapping technique. Tapping had existed for more than a hundred years, tho. Then you might think JIMMY'S THE BEST, HE INFLUENCED EDDIE TO DEVELOP THE TAPPING but that's just wrong. Eddie said that when he saw Page doing this hammer on's and pull off's he thought about using his other hand to tap notes over the fretbpard. Eddie's the true genius coming up with this idea and being able to play it so well, not Page. He is obviously not a good player. The fact that he influenced other players doesn't have a thing to do with him playing the damn thing. The Sex Pistols also influenced lots of bands, and so did The Ramones. So they're amazingly good bands, great composers and outstanding players, right? What you say is like saying that the apple is the best fruit ever cuz it fell over Isaac Newton's head and made him formulate the law of gravity.

Saying Eddie Van Halen's tapping is the ONLY Jimmy Page influence in rock guitar is absolutely pathetic. You're forgetting we're talking about one of the first hard rock/heavy metal guitarists in the world, who has influenced hundreds of important guitarists - including Brian May.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: On the other hand, many shreds you admire are nothing outside the "guitar world". Only guitarists can be bothered to listen to them, most times for the sake of studying their technique. Except for a few geniuses, such as Vai and Jason Becker, most of them can't really do anything interesting. Just play scales up and down too fast for you to see their fingers. Big fucking deal.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Jimmy is also well known as a plagiarist, so who's inventing then? Besides, creating things doesn't make you a good guitar player either. It's like saying that if some guy designs a new Formula 1 car, he's the best racer ever. What happens in your head and what you can do with your hands are two completely different things, which not necessarily go together.

I know he was a plagiarist, and I despise it. But he *did* improve the songs a lot. And the stuff he composed is brilliant.

<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: "Hendrix was lot better than Jimmy and Jimi DID create a lot of things. He had better phrasing overall, he was more in tune than Page, he was faster, more accurate and his guitar arrangements weren't as primitive as Page's. Even Jimi's rhythm guitar work is interesting and worth analysing. Hendrix did create his own world with his innovative playing (which was innovative) and his use of effects (which was innovative too). And Hendrix wasn't exactly and amazing guitar player, he was sloppy too but the things he played are more difficult than Page's." Wow, that touched my heart. JIMI HENDRIX FOREVER BABY. :RRRRRRRRRRRR <3 XD

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: Ever heard "How The West Was Won"? If that live album doesn't prove Jimmy Page was a wonderful guitarist, then I give up on the guitar, because I cleary have no taste.

If Page's been playing the damn Stairway To Heaven solo for 30 years and still can't play it correctly you have no reason to give up on the guitar. :P

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Where the fuck did I say that was Jimmy's only influence? It was an example of my point which you obviously didn't understand. Page was no heavy metal player at all. But that's beside my point, which is that he was very sloppy and had a lot of technical problems.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:I don't give a fuck whether he invented the guitar itself, he was and still is a very sloppy player.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:Hendrix was lot better than Jimmy and Jimi DID create a lot of things. He had better phrasing overall, he was more in tune than Page, he was faster, more accurate and his guitar arrangements weren't as primitive as Page's. Even Jimi's rhythm guitar work is interesting and worth analysing. Hendrix did create his own world with his innovative playing (which was innovative) and his use of effects (which was innovative too). And Hendrix wasn't exactly and amazing guitar player, he was sloppy too but the things he played are more difficult than Page's.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Even back in those days (late 60's - early 70's), Page wasn't better than anyone. Beck was better (and still is), Clapton too, Hendrix too, Blackmore too, Howe too. And also some guy named Brian May. If your point is that he's good because he influenced people, then whoever influenced him is better than him. THEREFORE, THE BEST GUITAR PLAYER EVER IS THE GUY WHO INVENTED GUITAR.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: On the other hand, many shreds you admire are nothing outside the "guitar world". Only guitarists can be bothered to listen to them, most times for the sake of studying their technique. Except for a few geniuses, such as Vai and Jason Becker, most of them can't really do anything interesting. Just play scales up and down too fast for you to see their fingers. Big fucking deal.

So Page is better because non-guitarists listen to him. That's genius, I don't know how I didn't think of that before! Guitar oriented music is obviously oriented to people who play guitar (D'UUUUUUH). Most of the time, they're too technically developed for the average listener. But guess what? Almost all of them shredders are outstanding players, and that's a style Page didn't help develop. They do get boring as hell and repetitive, probably 95% of the time but we're not talking about their compositions but about their playing. And their playing is great. Yngwie Malmsteen is amazing, for those suckers who say he's just speed "without feeling", Yngwie slaps their faces with his cock while playing Icarus' Dream Suite op. 4, which is the proof that Yngwie can play slow and with loads and loads of expression. His vibrato is brillant and his intonation is great. If you can't see that it's because you have something against the guy and his music. Michael Romeo is another monster who seems to be able to play anything. And then Luca Turilli and his amazingly clean arpeggios and lots and lots of players. Those guys earned everything they are, with practice and practice. You sayind thag playing that clean and fast is just the result of "a couple of years" of practice is the most anti-musical thing you could ever say. RESPECT THE FUCKING PLAYERS. Jimmy Page is NOT great and obviously NOT one of the best players ever. His creation might have been important but it has nothing to do with his playing. He is sloppy and for fuck's sake, it's SO obvious!!! He wasn't technically developed and his songs are very simple most of the time. John Paul Jones wrote the interesting cool arrangements, not Page. Jonesy even wrote the riff from Black Dog. Page was by far the worst player in Led Zep. John Paul Jones was an amazing musician, Bonzo was great and Robert was an excellent singer (even tho he'd go out of tune sometimes)... but Jimmy was just sloppy.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: I have already said what I thought about him. I am not denying his influence on music at all, I'm just talking about his playing. I won't continue this discussion, it's just nonsense and it's gonna lead us nowhere. There's no reason for us to fight over such a childish thing. I'll just ask you to respect MY opinion as I won't try to convince you to think like me. I do respect you admiring Page and his work, I just don't agree with him being the amazing guitar player people say he is.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Hey, relax, it's just an internet forum. I don't wanna have a fight with you about this, let's just stop it here.

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Yes, but I do NOT want to have a fight with you. Let's PLEASE stop it here.

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Yes, but I do NOT want to have a fight with you. Let's PLEASE stop it here.

How about you take back the bullshit you said about Page and go listen to some of his early live work with Led Zep, and then apologise?

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Leaky Luke wrote: Led Zeppelin - Heartbreaker.. especially live

you're kidding, right?

Leaky Luke wrote:

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Leaky Luke wrote: Led Zeppelin - Heartbreaker.. especially live

you're kidding, right?

I am not.. as far as I am can read it says "YOUR favourite guitar solo" Not the favourite guitar solo of the general crowd

Zebonka12 wrote: It's not the worst fucking shit you've ever heard... Stop it with the histrionics. We know you hate Page. Anyone who has sat through an Oasis set will tell you that there really are worse things to listen to than the Heartbreaker solo... no matter how much you hate it, there's always worse. I don't quite understand why your volatile posts are aimed at that solo in particular; is there some kind of bitterness towards Jimmy Page here? Did an ex-girlfriend really like him? Is it a success:talent ratio thing that's annoying you? For instance; there are much worse guitarists than Jimmy Page, but since he was so much more successful and listened-to than most of those guys, he deserves more piss-taking because he doesn't deserve the glory?

Zebonka12 wrote: Is it a success:talent ratio thing that's annoying you? For instance; there are much worse guitarists than Jimmy Page, but since he was so much more successful and listened-to than most of those guys, he deserves more piss-taking because he doesn't deserve the glory?

innuendo1990 wrote: my favorite guitar solo is....Jessica from the allman brothers

innuendo1990 wrote: my favorite guitar solo is....Jessica from the allman brothers

<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: Is it a success:talent ratio thing that's annoying you? For instance; there are much worse guitarists than Jimmy Page, but since he was so much more successful and listened-to than most of those guys, he deserves more piss-taking because he doesn't deserve the glory?

Absolutely.