Queen Archivist 24.11.2007 20:54 |
This is why I think Knebworth ’86 concert footage DOESN'T exist in the archive.... 1. Because I work there and the concert footage doesn't exist there, and it never ever ever ever has. Not ever. Not once. Not even half of once. 2. Because I work there and have seen the AUDIO tapes... and ONLY audio tapes. 3. If Knebworth film or video tapes were there somewhere (even out of sight hidden behind a box perhaps, or under a rarely used piano, or someone had mistakingly put them in the teabags cupboard, I think Justin or I would have noticed them by now over the last 9 years. We might even have thought to have logged them and labelled them. And I think we would very likely have thought by now of safety copying them... if they were there, which they're not - as I thought everyone knew. 4. Like most of you, I have seen only bits and pieces from Knebworth on various Queen docu's, such as shots of the audience, the helicopter arriving with the band, etc. And the odd bit of the band on stage, but only the odd bit. 5. Phil Collins covered the Beatles' Tomorrow Never Knows on his first (and unsurpsssed) solo album Face Value, in 1981. I know this is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, but so were a few of the reasons the other chap listed for why he thought Knebworth footage DID exist... to which I am responding. I wanted to say some things equeally strange and unhelpful. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE people. Queen's last ever concert, incredible but true, was NOT filmed.Yes it went out on the day over the huge screen/s, but curiously it wasn't being recorded... as SURELY BY NOW everyone knows. So do not set yourself up for a big disappointment. Do not expect what can never in this world be delivered. You might as well expect Jon Pertwee to come back in the next series of Dr Who, or Scooby Doo to marry Lassie and live happily ever after in a secluded Coventry love-nest rented from Basil Brush. The odd moment from a few songs, as we already know, is all that exists for the visual side. But the full audio is there, so look on the bright side for a change. I think it's entirely feasible that a great Knebwort product will happen, despite the absence of footage of the actual stage action. Stop being so glib and bleak. I can tell you that one day a very great Knebworth 'item' might well surprise you a lot - that's my guess. I said this back in 1999 about the forthcoming Freddie Mercury Solo box... and so it proved to be. I'm not saying more than that other than that it could be much more promising than you imagine. Have faith Queen fans. And eat more fruit. |
Smitty 24.11.2007 21:10 |
Ok |
newcastle 86! 16483 24.11.2007 23:17 |
fat boy has answered so go wretches and be cleaned |
john bodega 25.11.2007 00:18 |
What really annoys me is that there'll still be optimistic people (read : idiots) who'll ignore this. |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 25.11.2007 02:04 |
Queen Archivist wrote: This is why I think Knebworth ’86 concert footage DOESN'T exist in the archive.... 1. Because I work there and the concert footage doesn't exist there, and it never ever ever ever has. Not ever. Not once. Not even half of once. 2. Because I work there and have seen the AUDIO tapes... and ONLY audio tapes. 3. If Knebworth film or video tapes were there somewhere (even out of sight hidden behind a box perhaps, or under a rarely used piano, or someone had mistakingly put them in the teabags cupboard, I think Justin or I would have noticed them by now over the last 9 years. We might even have thought to have logged them and labelled them. And I think we would very likely have thought by now of safety copying them... if they were there, which they're not - as I thought everyone knew. 4. Like most of you, I have seen only bits and pieces from Knebworth on various Queen docu's, such as shots of the audience, the helicopter arriving with the band, etc. And the odd bit of the band on stage, but only the odd bit. 5. Phil Collins covered the Beatles' Tomorrow Never Knows on his first (and unsurpsssed) solo album Face Value, in 1981. I know this is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, but so were a few of the reasons the other chap listed for why he thought Knebworth footage DID exist... to which I am responding. I wanted to say some things equeally strange and unhelpful. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE people. Queen's last ever concert, incredible but true, was NOT filmed.Yes it went out on the day over the huge screen/s, but curiously it wasn't being recorded... as SURELY BY NOW everyone knows. So do not set yourself up for a big disappointment. Do not expect what can never in this world be delivered. You might as well expect Jon Pertwee to come back in the next series of Dr Who, or Scooby Doo to marry Lassie and live happily ever after in a secluded Coventry love-nest rented from Basil Brush. The odd moment from a few songs, as we already know, is all that exists for the visual side. But the full audio is there, so look on the bright side for a change. I think it's entirely feasible that a great Knebwort product will happen, despite the absence of footage of the actual stage action. Stop being so glib and bleak. I can tell you that one day a very great Knebworth 'item' might well surprise you a lot - that's my guess. I said this back in 1999 about the forthcoming Freddie Mercury Solo box... and so it proved to be. I'm not saying more than that other than that it could be much more promising than you imagine. Have faith Queen fans. And eat more fruit.I know I said I was never going to post in this site again but, why must you be a pain in the ass all time?? I know that Queen fans are the weirdest, they complain about every little shit and even fight for stupid shit, but still, I think u should calm down about us and realice that u have a job thanks to us |
bas asselbergs 25.11.2007 04:42 |
Hi GB...I just ran back a handycam tape i filmed at a convention during a Q & A session when the question was asked. (that was allowed by the way...!) if such a recording existed and why it had never been released. Your answer then, was: It was filmed, but during large sections of the recording the audio got damaged or had a lot of sound lost or in a very bad quality with subnoises that can't be taken out without the rest getting worse aswell...and that it would be impossible to ever re-record it as Freddie isn't with us anymore, and that although the images are superb, the sound is much too bad for an official release to Queenstandards...and that THAT is the reason why it will not see the light of day as a Queen DVD.... does this still stand? |
on my way up 25.11.2007 04:57 |
Queen Archivist wrote: This is why I think Knebworth ’86 concert footage DOESN'T exist in the archive.... 1. Because I work there and the concert footage doesn't exist there, and it never ever ever ever has. Not ever. Not once. Not even half of once. 2. Because I work there and have seen the AUDIO tapes... and ONLY audio tapes. 3. If Knebworth film or video tapes were there somewhere (even out of sight hidden behind a box perhaps, or under a rarely used piano, or someone had mistakingly put them in the teabags cupboard, I think Justin or I would have noticed them by now over the last 9 years. We might even have thought to have logged them and labelled them. And I think we would very likely have thought by now of safety copying them... if they were there, which they're not - as I thought everyone knew. 4. Like most of you, I have seen only bits and pieces from Knebworth on various Queen docu's, such as shots of the audience, the helicopter arriving with the band, etc. And the odd bit of the band on stage, but only the odd bit. 5. Phil Collins covered the Beatles' Tomorrow Never Knows on his first (and unsurpsssed) solo album Face Value, in 1981. I know this is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, but so were a few of the reasons the other chap listed for why he thought Knebworth footage DID exist... to which I am responding. I wanted to say some things equeally strange and unhelpful. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE people. Queen's last ever concert, incredible but true, was NOT filmed.Yes it went out on the day over the huge screen/s, but curiously it wasn't being recorded... as SURELY BY NOW everyone knows. So do not set yourself up for a big disappointment. Do not expect what can never in this world be delivered. You might as well expect Jon Pertwee to come back in the next series of Dr Who, or Scooby Doo to marry Lassie and live happily ever after in a secluded Coventry love-nest rented from Basil Brush. The odd moment from a few songs, as we already know, is all that exists for the visual side. But the full audio is there, so look on the bright side for a change. I think it's entirely feasible that a great Knebwort product will happen, despite the absence of footage of the actual stage action. Stop being so glib and bleak. I can tell you that one day a very great Knebworth 'item' might well surprise you a lot - that's my guess. I said this back in 1999 about the forthcoming Freddie Mercury Solo box... and so it proved to be. I'm not saying more than that other than that it could be much more promising than you imagine. Have faith Queen fans. And eat more fruit.I think the full knebworth concert coupled with budapest in a nice set would be great.Imagine this: the biggest show behind the Iron Curtain and the last show of Queen(which was an incredible one) in 1 set. Don't you think, greg? |
pittrek 25.11.2007 05:05 |
Kids, learn to accept the facts. It has been said by many people many times that the only thing that exists from Knebworth on video was released on Magic Years |
Rick 25.11.2007 05:42 |
Greg, I know a nice idea for a new Queen DVD. Knebworth 1986, I heard it was filmed completely and it was the last Queen show with Freddie! |
on my way up 25.11.2007 05:45 |
pittrek wrote: Kids, learn to accept the facts. It has been said by many people many times that the only thing that exists from Knebworth on video was released on Magic Yearsyeah, but the audio of knebworth would be great to have aswell. It would make the release of budapest more exciting. Knebworth has something magical about it because it was such a huge event, the last show and also because it was a great one. Greg says they have the full audio. If they can make it sound as good as QRM I'd be very happy. That would also mean 1986 has perfect concert represetation. The last show from Queen, the one which is most famous(wembley)and the one which was filmed best and had historical relevance aswell being the biggest show behind the iron curtain(and also a fantastic show, filmed in great style!) But of course, I fear Budapest will be a released without knebworth being included. And just a second disc with some other stuff like a docu and some bits and pieces from other shows... |
on my way up 25.11.2007 05:48 |
bas asselbergs wrote: Hi GB...I just ran back a handycam tape i filmed at a convention during a Q & A session when the question was asked. (that was allowed by the way...!) if such a recording existed and why it had never been released. Your answer then, was: It was filmed, but during large sections of the recording the audio got damaged or had a lot of sound lost or in a very bad quality with subnoises that can't be taken out without the rest getting worse aswell...and that it would be impossible to ever re-record it as Freddie isn't with us anymore, and that although the images are superb, the sound is much too bad for an official release to Queenstandards...and that THAT is the reason why it will not see the light of day as a Queen DVD.... does this still stand?You can easily proof it by uploading the video file. What you say is totally the opposite of what greg says in his post above. You'll understand we need proof before we can believe you:-) |
Freddie May 25.11.2007 06:25 |
I suggest QP release : - Knebworth : CD/DVD box (full concert on CD and a documentary with rare footage on DVD) - Budapest : DVD (+ blu-ray and HD-DVD) : full concert, documentary of the boys in town and extras from all the other magic tours In this case I don't think a live album from Budapest will be really necessary. Who needs 3 magic shows on CD :-p |
Raf 25.11.2007 06:34 |
WHY do people insist on suggesting possible DVD releases? Didn't you see Greg saying himself he has NOT seen good video footage in the archives where he's been working for years? Stop daydreaming. QP wouldn't have any good reason to hide this kind of information. And let's face it... Knebworth is special for us, Queen fans, but releasing 3 gigs from the same tour would be simply stupid. |
Freddie May 25.11.2007 06:42 |
I just said a documentary with SOME footage, I didn't talk about the live show... |
[ Wybren™ ] 25.11.2007 07:55 |
Freddie May wrote: I suggest QP release : - Knebworth : CD/DVD box (full concert on CD and a documentary with rare footage on DVD) - Budapest : DVD (+ blu-ray and HD-DVD) : full concert, documentary of the boys in town and extras from all the other magic tours In this case I don't think a live album from Budapest will be really necessary. Who needs 3 magic shows on CD :-pOr even better, a DVD audio release of Knebworth with the existing visuals as a bonus. |
cmsdrums 25.11.2007 08:20 |
Thanks Greg. Hopefully, and as you suggest, we may one day get a release of this concert, if purely for historical reasons as their last gig. A CD release of the whole gig (Live Magic still sounds better from a mix point of view that Live At Wembley), with bonus DVD of what footage exists, interviews with the band, documentary about the gig, interviews with famous people who attended? etc... Greg - on an almost related point, I started a thread a long while back (link here link regarding a different mix of the Wembley 86 vinyl release. Do you have any info regarding this please?? Cheers |
dsmeer 25.11.2007 09:42 |
I 'm not sure but the last live performance of the Beatles is also incomplete (and I am talking about audio). |
The Real Wizard 25.11.2007 09:55 |
dsmeer wrote: I 'm not sure but the last live performance of the Beatles is also incomplete (and I am talking about audio).Yep, you're right. The common recording cuts out after about 27 minutes, and I don't think another one exists. Greg... Great, promising post. Loved the humour. |
John S Stuart 25.11.2007 09:56 |
on my way up wrote:If Bas says that he has this on tape - then I can guarantee he has this on tape. He has nothing to prove here - or among genuine collectors.bas asselbergs wrote: Hi GB...I just ran back a handycam tape i filmed at a convention during a Q & A session when the question was asked. (that was allowed by the way...!) if such a recording existed and why it had never been released. Your answer then, was: It was filmed, but during large sections of the recording the audio got damaged or had a lot of sound lost or in a very bad quality with subnoises that can't be taken out without the rest getting worse aswell...and that it would be impossible to ever re-record it as Freddie isn't with us anymore, and that although the images are superb, the sound is much too bad for an official release to Queenstandards...and that THAT is the reason why it will not see the light of day as a Queen DVD.... does this still stand?You can easily proof it by uploading the video file. What you say is totally the opposite of what greg says in his post above. You'll understand we need proof before we can believe you:-) Rather, I - like he, (because we are not privy to the inside story) would like to know how this official explanation has changed from one account into another. If NOT a genuine mistake, (and let's face it - that is why they put erasers at the end of pencils) this original explanation then seems to me to be either incompetence at best - or at worse - deliberate misinformation, and I would just like to ask why in either case. As I wrote in another thread: "If the video footage does NOT exist - perhaps it could be re-created (in total or in part) from all the various segments or fragments which DO exist? For example, I know that various 'Doctor Who' stories have been reconstructed, and that versions of 'The Invasion' the 'Ice Warriors' and the original 'Autons' have all been remade using all sorts of varying techniques... If so, I also like the idea that an official 'Budapest' DVD release could have an additional bonus Kebworth (or best of) disc." |
DavidRFuller 25.11.2007 12:05 |
Who says it doesn't exist somewhere else besides the almighty Queen archives? |
cmsdrums 25.11.2007 13:22 |
DavidRFuller wrote: Who says it doesn't exist somewhere else besides the almighty Queen archives?I don't think the is any way we can prove it doesn't exist elsewhere, but this topic specifically addresses its absence from the official archive. let's all hope that there was a record button hit somewhere from the video screen feeds, and that it turns up in some backroom of a video productions company, or someone's basement someday! |
deliah 25.11.2007 14:22 |
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.They mightn't had known knebworth would be the last concert ever they mightn't had bothered filming it since wembley was already done. |
Daniel Nester 25.11.2007 15:27 |
I really like Phil Collins' cover of "Tomorrow Never Knows." This was Phil's best solo album, if you ask me, although Hello, I Must Be Going is a close second. |
Daniel Nester 25.11.2007 15:29 |
Speaking of suppressed albums, someone--perhaps Phil himself--should have suppressed his single, "Sussudio." link Did you know that Prince plays keyboards on Stevie Nicks' single "Stand Back"? I didn't. |
guild93 25.11.2007 15:59 |
bas asselbergs wrote: Hi GB...I just ran back a handycam tape i filmed at a convention during a Q & A session when the question was asked. (that was allowed by the way...!) if such a recording existed and why it had never been released. Your answer then, was: It was filmed, but during large sections of the recording the audio got damaged or had a lot of sound lost or in a very bad quality with subnoises that can't be taken out without the rest getting worse aswell...and that it would be impossible to ever re-record it as Freddie isn't with us anymore, and that although the images are superb, the sound is much too bad for an official release to Queenstandards...and that THAT is the reason why it will not see the light of day as a Queen DVD.... does this still stand?It sounds like we're talking about audio noise here on the supposed film, everyone knows the mixing-desk audio exists in great quality (Live Magic & Under Pressure '99) so it could be easily mixed with the film (if it does exist). |
Mr Faron Hyte 25.11.2007 16:19 |
Daniel Nester wrote: Did you know that Prince plays keyboards on Stevie Nicks' single "Stand Back"? I didn't.I did know that actually. Apparently he rode to the studio on a big purple motorcycle, which sounds pretty cool. And Jon Pertwee was terrific. |
john bodega 25.11.2007 22:23 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Well, if we're talking about Candlestick Park, yep!dsmeer wrote: I 'm not sure but the last live performance of the Beatles is also incomplete (and I am talking about audio).Yep, you're right. The common recording cuts out after about 27 minutes, and I don't think another one exists. I still believe their rooftop gig (annoyed commuters and all) is one of the greatest musical moments captured on film. Even funnier when U2 ripped it off. It was exactly the same, minus the great music! |
The Real Wizard 26.11.2007 00:58 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Well, if we're talking about Candlestick Park, yep! I still believe their rooftop gig (annoyed commuters and all) is one of the greatest musical moments captured on film. Even funnier when U2 ripped it off. It was exactly the same, minus the great music!Hahaha... !! And yep, I'm talking about Candlestick Park. Back to Knebworth... near the bottom of this link is Brian's explanation: link If the footage is out there, then so be it, but for now, I think we should take Brian's word for it. |
Negative Creep 26.11.2007 10:26 |
deliah wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful thing,they mighntnt had known knebworth would be the last concert ever they mightnt had bothered fliming it since wemebley was already doneIt being their last gig doesn't come into it. They were a massive band staging a pretty fucking big concert and it was being filmed by a professinal company for use on the big screens... it's very naive to think the live feed wasn't captured. The band and management would want it captured for reference purposes even, for a start and the cost of capturing the feed would have been nothing compared to the camera men involved and the big screens. |
pittrek 26.11.2007 10:55 |
Negative Creep wrote:Don't forget that the official LAST concert of the 86 tour was Wembley, which WAS filmed. Knebworth was only a normal concert, so WHY should they record it ? They didn't know it's the last concert of the tour, and they didn't know it's the last tour (Freddie didn't know about his disease until 1987).deliah wrote: Hindsight is a wonderful thing,they mighntnt had known knebworth would be the last concert ever they mightnt had bothered fliming it since wemebley was already doneIt being their last gig doesn't come into it. They were a massive band staging a pretty fucking big concert and it was being filmed by a professinal company for use on the big screens... it's very naive to think the live feed wasn't captured. The band and management would want it captured for reference purposes even, for a start and the cost of capturing the feed would have been nothing compared to the camera men involved and the big screens. |
AlexRocks 26.11.2007 14:20 |
It's just funny to think that you put on ANY show with 120 THOUSAND people, have a proffesional film crew, film a handful of minutes, and NOT record more than what they supposedly did. Odd at best. I'll trust them in the meantime that they have nothing just to be polite of course! |
Queen Archivist 26.11.2007 22:25 |
Listen, some of you antagonistic annoying twats on this site... and I mean the FEW of you that simply refuse to listen or budge an inch or even consider the possibility that you might be misinformed... I came on here and created this humour-based but serious thread for YOU guys, not myself. There was/is NOTHING in it for me, just time and effort... and the predictable agro that always comes... and of course it has. Zzzzzzzzzz! I KNOW what exists because it is my job to. I came here in good faith and hinted strongly, but not strongly enough for some of you, that you should be quietly confident of something very nice and very surprising happening one day on this front. But some of you are so fixated on taking the piss, or swearing that I'm lying, that you miss the subtleties and the underlying serious points I was laying out FOR YOU... if you were only smart enough to stop, shut up, read it properly and think about the implications... like Pittrek and Wybren were. Nothing I have said at conventions seriously conflicts with the data offerred here the other day, and even if it did just a little, keep in mind that i am human and my memory is not a computer. PLUS... I might have viewed more tapes since that time which now put me in a better position to know more than i did back then. It's VERY feasible isn't it... if you use your brain and think about it. I began this thread in a jokey way, tongue in cheek, and with no malice or nastiness, but clearly I was telling those who take time to listen, who READ BETWEEN THE LINES, to expect the unexpected. So why not do that instead of being such arseholes (the few that are, and always are). Newcastle 86 is an utter braindead numbskull. Who does he belong to? Is any poor sod gonna own up to that? If that is how some of you Queen 'fans' are going to react when I offer you, albeit necessarily subtly, some real and accurate data to ponder, you can go whistle. I'll just keep things to myself. The entire concert does not exist on film. Not even half or a quarter of it. The audio DOES exist, all of it. Expect something FANTASTIC one day because I know what DOES exist, from that day, and..... you get the gist by now SURELY... even the thicko's who have written such rubbish in this thread as if they cannot read what is there for them to pick up on. Most people seem to have got the point, so can you explain it to the plebs among you that really test the pacience of a saint. Believe what you like. You usually do... but you'll miss the important stuff. Newcastle 86... you are still a TOP DRAW FIRST DIVISION DICK HEAD, and that's never going to change. I see that you STILL never say anything of use or that us adults can admire. So put up, or shut up. Dick head Necastle, with an IQ of 8.6 this makes no sense... "fat boy has answered so go wretches and be cleaned" So no change there then!!! You muppet. Sir GH is correct to point you at BM's explanation. And of course BM has very good recall on certain things. But you cannot expect him to know the details of EVERY camera rolling that day from the camera crews, so... think about what JUST MIGHT also exist, from a logical view point. Would all the cameras only be rolling for 5 minutes?? Might they instead have been rolling for much longer??? Could it be that an entire camera crew did NOT stand around all weekend filming nothing and not wasting time and money???? Would the filming have begun ONLY during the concert???? or might they have been rolling backstage, or at other related 'places' that day?????? Mmmmmm????? Negative Creep. Yes you're right, but errors DO happen. Read what Brian says. He is not lying to you. The fact that no machine/s were RECORDING has nothing to do with cost. Adolfo... You wasted a huge amount of space pasting in what i had written at the start of the thread, and even then you missed the point and got it all wrong. You are one of the thicko's I'm talking about who |
Lester Burnham 26.11.2007 22:42 |
Greg, I feel that Phil has sold his soul to the devil (aka Disney). I wrote this in another thread, which I can't find at the moment, but I was bombarded day-in and day-out while working at an amusement park for two summers straight with 'Can't Stop Loving You' and 'You're In My Heart', every hour on the hour, for nearly fourteen hours a day. If that's not an excuse for mass murder, I don't know what is. That said, do you think I should pick up Abacab? I've been thinking about it, and my finger hovered over my mouse button while the arrow danced around the "Buy It!" button on iTunes. Should I make the plunge? Thanks! |
Shane Jazz 26.11.2007 23:03 |
Actually, and of course way off topic, I have a question for Lester. I just bought Imperial Bedroom today, and have not gotten to listen to it yet. All the reviews I have read say it takes a good 6-10 listens to reveal its glories. Just wondering your thoughts on the album. Thanks. |
Lester Burnham 26.11.2007 23:37 |
Shane Jazz wrote: Actually, and of course way off topic, I have a question for Lester. I just bought Imperial Bedroom today, and have not gotten to listen to it yet. All the reviews I have read say it takes a good 6-10 listens to reveal its glories. Just wondering your thoughts on the album. Thanks.EXCELLENT choice, Shane Jazz. Imperial Bedroom is one of my favorite Elvis Costello albums, but the reviews are right – it takes a bit of listening to get into it. At first, the only songs I really liked were 'Beyond Belief', 'Shabby Doll' (listen for a great Bruce Thomas bass solo at the end), 'Man Out Of Time', 'And In Every Home', and 'Pidgin English'. Then, slowly but surely, I started to really listen to the other songs, based mostly on their eccentricities – the accordion of 'The Long Honeymoon', the harpsichord of 'You Little Fool', the strings of 'Town Cryer', etc. Even songs that you'd think are typical EC – 'Little Savage', 'The Loved Ones', 'Human Hands' – have little nuances that take a bit to catch, but the reward is that much greater when you discover them. Once Imperial Bedroom becomes one of your favorite albums by EC (for me, it ranks up there with All This Useless Beauty, This Year's Model, Get Happy!!, and Blood And Chocolate – I deliberately left out King Of America, because that album transcends everything else EC has put out), listen to the bonus disc, especially for EC and the Attractions' take on Smokey Robinson's 'From Head To Toe', and for an alcohol-fueled interpretation (in the style of Barry White, no less) of 'Town Cryer'. Don't start me talking about Elvis Costello... I could talk all night. (nyuk nyuk) |
cliffhowell 27.11.2007 03:20 |
John S Stuart wrote: For example, I know that various 'Doctor Who' stories have been reconstructed, and that versions of 'The Invasion' the 'Ice Warriors' and the original 'Autons' have all been remade using all sorts of varying techniques... If so, I also like the idea that an official 'Budapest' DVD release could have an additional bonus Kebworth (or best of) disc."Off topic I know John but; The only one of the three Dr Who stories you mention that has has reconstruction is The Invasion, and the two missing episodes have been animated using the original audio. The only other official recons are Power of the Daleks (all 6 eps), Tenth Planet (ep4) and a 30min cutdowm summary of Marco Polo. These were all reconstructed using off air still photo's (telsnaps) and bits of footage of existing eps. I couldn't see QPL going down the animation route for Knebworth as it would be very very expensive and IMHO there would be no point to it. Isn't there supposed to be a Torrent out there taken from the feed to the big screen? |
TheGame 27.11.2007 03:59 |
Well, im kind of excited about this surprise Greg is talking about. I only hope he doesnt refer to old stuff that Brian calls new exciting stuff ( or something like that, ref the new xtras on the Montreal DVD release). Oh well, just give music to the masses before im getting too old. |
Jeroen 27.11.2007 06:27 |
Queen's final gig memorial disc: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. Queen's final gig memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet Queen's fnal gig deluxe memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet -autographed colour print -laminate backstage pass Am I in the right direction, Greg? |
John S Stuart 27.11.2007 07:28 |
cliffhowell wrote:Cliffhowell - You seem to miss a few points...John S Stuart wrote: For example, I know that various 'Doctor Who' stories have been reconstructed, and that versions of 'The Invasion' the 'Ice Warriors' and the original 'Autons' have all been remade using all sorts of varying techniques... If so, I also like the idea that an official 'Budapest' DVD release could have an additional bonus Kebworth (or best of) disc."Off topic I know John but; The only one of the three Dr Who stories you mention that has has reconstruction is The Invasion, and the two missing episodes have been animated using the original audio. The only other official recons are Power of the Daleks (all 6 eps), Tenth Planet (ep4) and a 30min cutdowm summary of Marco Polo. These were all reconstructed using off air still photo's (telsnaps) and bits of footage of existing eps. I couldn't see QPL going down the animation route for Knebworth as it would be very very expensive and IMHO there would be no point to it. Isn't there supposed to be a Torrent out there taken from the feed to the big screen? First: Like Greg, I always believed there was a vast expanse between 'nothing' and 'full concert'. Second: Like, [ Wybren™ ], I too agree that a DVD audio release of Knebworth with all the existing visuals as a bonus would be an excellent idea. Third: My reconstruction idea was based on full audio 'PLUS'. (See second point for basic information - but to this audio also add additional visual extras such as photographs, slide-shows or Do-Ro edits etc). I know that we are not fans of Do-Ro, but, if they could construct something out of nothing, I guess that would be a different kettle of fish. Finally: Re Doctor Who, it is interesting you refer only to the official BBC releases. However, long before the BBC were involved in such cheap imitations, groups of enthusiastic fans like 'Loose Cannon', and 'Joint Venture' married the existing BBC audio to both the surviving footage, CGC graphics, telesnaps, studio photographs and publicity stills. These are the reconstructions I alluded to, (which imo are far closer to the original broadcasts than the current BBC recreations) and if you have not seen these versions (For example 'Moonbase' which incorporates all these features alongside the two surviving episodes) then you (with all due respect) have not seen a Doctor Who reconstruction. PS: Doctor Who - 'Terror Of The Autons' was officially released in 1993 as a BBC VHS RECONSTRUCTED Colourised Version (1971) - as not all the existing colour episodes survived. Animated Freddie indeed! |
on my way up 27.11.2007 11:11 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Listen, some of you antagonistic annoying twats on this site... and I mean the FEW of you that simply refuse to listen or budge an inch or even consider the possibility that you might be misinformed... I came on here and created this humour-based but serious thread for YOU guys, not myself. There was/is NOTHING in it for me, just time and effort... and the predictable agro that always comes... and of course it has. Zzzzzzzzzz! |
Cygnus X-1 27.11.2007 13:12 |
Queen Archivist wrote: My personal opinion is that I'd rather work on a gig no one has seen outside of the archive people and the band. Now that IS extremely exciting to me. Live Killers DVD, Early Queen live... South America 1981... THAT is what excites me most - more so than a concert i have here already on vhs.YES!!! Sounds fantastic, I hope someday we'll see a 70's concert on DVD. I hope QP thinks the same way, or are they afraid to shock the casual buyer with an Freddie in leotards & leather ;-) |
The Real Wizard 27.11.2007 23:37 |
Queen Archivist wrote: My personal opinion is that I'd rather work on a gig no one has seen outside of the archive people and the band. Now that IS extremely exciting to me. Live Killers DVD, Early Queen live... South America 1981... THAT is what excites me most - more so than a concert i have here already on vhs.Now that's what we want to hear! |
Fat Lizzy 28.11.2007 07:08 |
Queen Archivist wrote: ... I began this thread in a jokey way, tongue in cheek, and with no malice or nastiness, but clearly I was telling those who take time to listen, who READ BETWEEN THE LINES, to expect the unexpected. So why not do that instead of being such arseholes (the few that are, and always are). Newcastle 86 is an utter braindead numbskull. Who does he belong to? Is any poor sod gonna own up to that? If that is how some of you Queen 'fans' are going to react when I offer you, albeit necessarily subtly, some real and accurate data to ponder, you can go whistle. I'll just keep things to myself. ... Believe what you like. You usually do... but you'll miss the important stuff. Newcastle 86... you are still a TOP DRAW FIRST DIVISION DICK HEAD, and that's never going to change. I see that you STILL never say anything of use or that us adults can admire. So put up, or shut up. Dick head Necastle, with an IQ of 8.6 this makes no sense... "fat boy has answered so go wretches and be cleaned" So no change there then!!! You muppet. ...After reading this utterly childish reply I am not capable of believing anything you say anymore :P Anyhow, don't let you be distracted by some of the unknowing fools on this website. But do listen to the demands of the fans and yourself, by digging up the best early shows, Live Killers shows and South America 81 videos. I'm sure that it would be much more appreciated to see a release of any of those 3 than another Magic Tour release. Either Budapest or even Knebworth! |
ern2150 28.11.2007 11:13 |
John S Stuart wrote: Finally: Re Doctor Who, it is interesting you refer only to the official BBC releases. However, long before the BBC were involved in such cheap imitations, groups of enthusiastic fans like 'Loose Cannon', and 'Joint Venture' married the existing BBC audio to both the surviving footage, CGC graphics, telesnaps, studio photographs and publicity stills. These are the reconstructions I alluded to, (which imo are far closer to the original broadcasts than the current BBC recreations) and if you have not seen these versions (For example 'Moonbase' which incorporates all these features alongside the two surviving episodes) then you (with all due respect) have not seen a Doctor Who reconstruction. PS: Doctor Who - 'Terror Of The Autons' was officially released in 1993 as a BBC VHS RECONSTRUCTED Colourised Version (1971) - as not all the existing colour episodes survived. Animated Freddie indeed!I knew I liked you before JSS, but this just seals the deal :) I guess the Daemons VHS would count along those lines too. But anyway -- I'm assuming that all the "amateur" video of this concert is of such low quality / existence that no-one's considering using it? I mean we've had DVD extras of questionable quality (excerpts from obscure concerts, Golden Rose festivals) before. And along those lines...one wonders what the Doctor Who Restoration Team could do with some of the 70s Queen concerts available... |
Tero 28.11.2007 11:49 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Yeah, it's what we want to hear, and might be said exactly because of that... It just might make the stick seem more bearable if you dangle a carrot in front of the donkey.Queen Archivist wrote: My personal opinion is that I'd rather work on a gig no one has seen outside of the archive people and the band. Now that IS extremely exciting to me. Live Killers DVD, Early Queen live... South America 1981... THAT is what excites me most - more so than a concert i have here already on vhs.Now that's what we want to hear! For all we know it's something that Greg would LIKE to do, but QP isn't willing to pay a single penny for. (I would like to be a billionaire, but just wishing something doesn't make it any closer to reality.) It certainly seems so based on the experiences of past few years, and that's why I wouldn't get my hopes up just yet. |
BradJarre 28.11.2007 15:18 |
If im honest it doesnt realy matter if There is any footage of knebworth,Offcourse it was there last show but hey..Budapest is going to be their next big release and.......we still got Wembley. |
Lester Burnham 28.11.2007 16:12 |
Greg, any response about Abacab? I can't wait forever... I've got books to write, man! |
Deacon Fan 28.11.2007 16:57 |
Daniel Nester wrote: Did you know that Prince plays keyboards on Stevie Nicks' single "Stand Back"? I didn't.Oh yes! In fact her song was itself inspired by "Little Red Corvette". She really dug the synths and asked him to play. link As for Knebworth, I like the idea of a bonus DVD with a little documentary/interview presenting the footage that does exist, explaining that the rest doesn't, and featuring Roger & Brian's thoughts on the show. Would make it 3 discs total, but it's not unheard of. |
Bobby_brown 28.11.2007 18:27 |
If i know how to read "between the lines", then what might exist is: -Probably the unedit documentary made by DORO. Maybe they have kept the tapes, and there´s enough material for a great documentary. -Even though the big screen video doesn´t exist, we all know that the Doro crew kept filming some parts of the show -"Is this the world..." is a good example. And the best part of it is that it can be incorporated into the documentary since it was filmed with Cinema cameras. And this is just me thinking, but if the concert is just 15% filmed (for example), then those songs will feature better IN the documentary, rather than a concert per se. All in all i think there´s plenty of stuff for a CD/DVD box of Knebworth, but considering that they´re planning the Budapest DVD, i don´t know if there´s market for another 86 concert release. One good idea is to release something as Iron MAiden "early years" where they´ve included some concerts with not so good quality in those DVD, fitting perfectelly well, since it was suposed to be an historical documentary of the band. Queen could do the same with the "Magic Years" series, and release some concerts that wouldn´t fit in a high standard DVD- Like some of their South American Tour, and some 70´s stuff. Maybe this way there´s space for Knebworth as well on MAgic Years 3. Just a thought! |
John S Stuart 28.11.2007 19:38 |
Bobby_brown wrote: One good idea is to release something as Iron MAiden "early years" where they´ve included some concerts with not so good quality in those DVD, fitting perfectelly well, since it was suposed to be an historical documentary of the band.I was thinking along the same lines, but incorporating amateur fan footage if any was filmed. After all, there is a great 'Tie Your Mother Down' montage which includes both professional and amateur footage, and that dates from almost ten years previously. So a mixture of professional visual and audio - combined with backstage, amatuer and big screen fan footage - who knows what may be possible. I think the trick is to collect as much existing material as possible (whatever the source or quality) and stitch together some sort of patchwork quilt from that. I agree that it may not work for a complete concert, but it could certainly pave the way for some exciting Budapest extras. |
Winter Land Man 28.11.2007 23:56 |
I had the pleasure of Greg showing me the unreleased performance video for 'Jealousy', it was great. |
pittrek 29.11.2007 02:18 |
What do we KNOW that exists ? - a few pre-concert shots seen in many documentaries - band arriving with an helicopter - part of (I think) A Kind Of Magic (shown in Brian's degree TV report) - Is This The World We Created ? - Radio Ga Ga - We Are The Champions Did I forget something ? |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 29.11.2007 03:47 |
Well Greg, I certainly dont get your Fucked up humour, when u r the only one laughing there really is no joke, so I'll tell you again, Greg pls remove whatever is up your arse and calm down about us Queen fans. For the record, I did read all of your cocky thread, and Im not saying that I dont believe there is video for Queen´s last performance, I take your word (and I really dont care, I think there is a lot of the magic tour around) the thing is, the way U put it, Only u can see the joke, for you love to treat us like little bastards just because u have the job we would all kill to have. I like humble people, like I think Freddie, brian, roger and john are/was, but U Greg, u are a shame of a person to be dealing with queen fans. I really hope someone else takes ur job, cause u r the only thing about queen that I dont like. now go ahead, write whatever pompous and arrogant responce u have for me, Im an inteligent person and arrogance wont kill me. |
Mkls 29.11.2007 04:29 |
pittrek wrote: What do we KNOW that exists ? - a few pre-concert shots seen in many documentaries - band arriving with an helicopter - part of (I think) A Kind Of Magic (shown in Brian's degree TV report) - Is This The World We Created ? - Radio Ga Ga - We Are The Champions Did I forget something ?I believe there is some short footage of Hammer To Fall in one of the DoRo clips, as it was discussed here a while ago (in one of the FM Tribute DVD montage film) ... looks like DoRo was more active in the 2nd half of the show, although with one (two ?) camera only. |
BradJarre 29.11.2007 09:25 |
TRICOUMAIEUCIORAPI (1 week ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) Wtf?! Is that from Knebworth... so there is a professional recording.. uhmm.. maxmercury (1 week ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0 (Reply) No, only a handful of songs from Knebworth were filmed, not the whole show If there realy where filmed only a handful in GOOD quality why arent they gonna release that on dvd and call it:Queen-The last one. Or: Queen-Goodbye to the champions |
Fmarton 29.11.2007 12:57 |
Or a message from you : Goodbye to the Queenzone |
BradJarre 29.11.2007 15:29 |
Not realy. |
newcastle 86! 16483 01.12.2007 20:56 |
my god its great fat boy rises too the bait once again......... hes so easily wound up arent you chubby? bless ya! personally i think your a cute fat ball of pastry arent you? thing is jim beach said go fat boy onto moanzone and have fun with the great unwashed. tell them all your fat tails about........... well anything you want! but dont tell them (well we already know) what a giro avoiding little fat boy you are and oh my god! what a picky little fat man too! i wont degrade you personally as you already do that yourself and as for my iq........... well enjoy your little job im sure there are less women enjoy your company there as in the civil sevice! happy days! |
Queen Archivist 05.12.2007 06:33 |
Adolfo...... "the thing is, the way U put it, Only u can see the joke" GB: Adolfo, you are a rude and dislikable dickhead. Just because YOU do not get my particular humour, do not be so arrogant as to presume that no one else does either. It is not true to say "Only u can see the joke". It's just assuming everyone else is as unimaginative as you, and that is clearly far from the case. If you look at numerous other threads of mine you'll see many people responding well to my humour, and enjoying it, and saying so. Don't judge everyone else by your boring and limited standards Adolfo. To do so is arrogant in the extreme and irritating. My guess is that you have been told you are an irritating dickhead several times before... it just hasn't sunk into your brain yet. |
Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 07.12.2007 13:25 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Adolfo...... "the thing is, the way U put it, Only u can see the joke" GB: Adolfo, you are a rude and dislikable dickhead. Just because YOU do not get my particular humour, do not be so arrogant as to presume that no one else does either. It is not true to say "Only u can see the joke". It's just assuming everyone else is as unimaginative as you, and that is clearly far from the case. If you look at numerous other threads of mine you'll see many people responding well to my humour, and enjoying it, and saying so. Don't judge everyone else by your boring and limited standards Adolfo. To do so is arrogant in the extreme and irritating. My guess is that you have been told you are an irritating dickhead several times before... it just hasn't sunk into your brain yet.you just cant get enough of yourself, can u? Yes, I´ve been called a dickhead, but Greg, what have you been called? well, If Im wrong about your humor, Im sorry, but Im glad u agreed with the rest of the post. |
pittrek 05.02.2010 03:18 |
Jeroen wrote: Queen's final gig memorial disc: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. Queen's final gig memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet Queen's fnal gig deluxe memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet -autographed colour print -laminate backstage pass Am I in the right direction, Greg? Oh, I'd LOVE to buy this one :-) |
Thistle 08.02.2010 17:53 |
Jeroen wrote: Queen's final gig memorial disc: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. Queen's final gig memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet Queen's fnal gig deluxe memorial box set: -Double cd/DVD-Audio 5.1 DTS -DVD with snippets from the show, backstage footage, fan interviews, tv-reports and a retrospective with new interviews with Brian, Roger, Gerry Stickles etc and the kid that was born during the concert. -Commemorative t-shirt (white, one size) -Ticket stub -Photo set/Postcards -Full colour booklet -autographed colour print -laminate backstage pass Am I in the right direction, Greg? No, you forgot that it would be in a faux leather bound case and would be limited to 500. And GB has pre-ordered 499. JSS has the other 1, which has ALL the footage and perfect audio, but he won't sell it. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Rubbersuit 10.02.2010 13:07 |
I'm betting my chips on a "Sing Along with Knebworth" theatre release. The audio from the show minus Freddie's vocals and a "View from the stage" 3D computer rendering so that it looks like you are on stage looking at the audience. In IMAX 3D. The music plays and the audience in the theatre sings as if they are Freddie Mercury. The words scroll across the bottom with a bouncing Brian May head highlighting the words. Am I close? |
gimbel1983 30.06.2010 12:47 |
Hello GB. It's been 3 years since you told us about the upcomming surprise |
AlexRocks 01.07.2010 14:55 |
But it wasn't Queen's final gig by any means was it? So how would it be expressed properly? |
Benn 06.07.2010 10:52 |
I've never understood why Kenbworth is so important to everyone; sure it's the band's last show, but the set list and the performance were virtually identical to the Wembley and Budapest shows. Why would a DVD or full audio release of any sort stir the loins? Surely we're better off pushing for an archive release with some merit and as an ADDITION to the existing catalogue? |
The Real Wizard 06.07.2010 11:55 |
Agreed. As great as it'd be to have better Knebworth footage, if offered a choice between that and say, the second night at Earls Court 77, I'd like to think most sensible people would choose the latter. |
pittrek 06.07.2010 11:58 |
Benn wrote: I've never understood why Kenbworth is so important to everyone; sure it's the band's last show, but the set list and the performance were virtually identical to the Wembley and Budapest shows. Why would a DVD or full audio release of any sort stir the loins? Surely we're better off pushing for an archive release with some merit and as an ADDITION to the existing catalogue?Well I personally don't understand how can somebody like Wembley or Budapest :-) This concert is my favourite concert from the 80's (with Hammy '79 being my favourite from the 70's). What I do like about the concert ? - the amazing atmosphere - incredibly emotional speeches from Freddie ("This is an enormous place, even by our standards, I tell you. It looks beautiful from up here! It's frightening, I tell you. It looks beautiful.", ""I think most of you know that this is the last stop on our tour. You know that, don't you? And such a beautiful way to end it. I mean, look at the lot of you. I might also add that this has been the best European tour for us, thanks to all you fuckers out there. And earlier on there were rumours of us splitting up, but, I mean... fuck 'em. I mean really, look at this!" ) - I don't know why but I end in tears :-) - Amazing versions of Tie Your Mother Down, Pressure, Dust, Break Free, Rock You, Champions and many many others - amazing footage, I simply can't stop watching the pro-shot footage (especially Ga Ga and Champions), ...... |
pittrek 06.07.2010 11:59 |
Sir GH wrote: Agreed. As great as it'd be to have better Knebworth footage, if offered a choice between that and say, the second night at Earls Court 77, I'd like to think most sensible people would choose the latter.Why not have both ? :-) |
deleted user 06.07.2010 12:05 |
pittrek wrote: - amazing footage, I simply can't stop watching the pro-shot footage (especially Ga Ga and Champions), Reply can you link to all this footage please? where was it shown? Thanks |
pittrek 06.07.2010 12:10 |
kurgan100 wrote: pittrek wrote: - amazing footage, I simply can't stop watching the pro-shot footage (especially Ga Ga and Champions), Reply can you link to all this footage please? where was it shown? ThanksI meant of course the bits from the documentaries (Killer Queen, Rare Live, Magic Years, The Champions Of The World) intercut with the audience footage |
matt z 08.07.2010 17:01 |
DavidRFuller wrote: Who says it doesn't exist somewhere else besides the almighty Queen archives? Yeah, possibly in trade somewhere from a TV reporter, from a station... from any sound board or live technician with the mind to record such a MASSIVE gathering... it's possible. Seems like there needs to be a APB (all points bulletin) issued on the matter... just for closure to a Queen Box set... Frequently some people have been known to even hack the signals of some performances... Sadly, i don't think EVERY guy at the desk does it... but it SHOULD Be done... for posterity, History. OH and BTW: i only commented on this topic because the celeb status of Dave Fuller. (great public collection of Queen rarities) \m/ Rock on! \m/ Might try tracking down the people issued PRESS passes for the show. or MAYBE, just MAYBE... start an internet rumor that YETI (bigfoot) showed up at the gig... this way we could get the A&E network to finance an exploration of it. (JUST A THOUGHT) ;) |
matt z 08.07.2010 17:03 |
Mr Faron Hyte wrote: Daniel Nester wrote: Did you know that Prince plays keyboards on Stevie Nicks' single "Stand Back"? I didn't. I did know that actually. Apparently he rode to the studio on a big purple motorcycle, which sounds pretty cool. And Jon Pertwee was terrific. As did i... Supposedly she liked the keys on LITTLE RED CORVETTE when it came on the radio...and wanted something like it for her own album. BTW: it was the Purple One's Birthday Yesterday. 7-7,... even if he may not celebrate it (Jehovah's Witness Styley) |
Danny Buoy 31.10.2011 23:13 |
"All it needed was for someone in our team to put a tape machine on the end of either the screen mix or the cameras themselves. No-one did. So it all went into the Ether, and is, by now, about 20 light years away, on its way to ... well, anyone out there who is watching in our corner of the Galaxy. The chances of them beaming it back to us, so we can have another chance to record it, must be pretty remote ! " (Brian May re Knebworth '86 footage) Can we please have QP make a DVD/movie/biopic about four rapid fans' attempt to travel the galaxy at speeds faster than light in the sole hope of watching Knebworth '86 one last time? The twist could be at the end when even they forget to turn on the betamax!! Brill, hey!?? This is my first and only QP request, so I expect some action, thanks. DB |
dysan 01.11.2011 08:01 |
That would be fucking amazing. |