QueenZone discussion #1058645

Benn wrote: Why would Roger give up his drummer's seat to a worse drummer / singer than himself?

Micrówave wrote:

Benn wrote: Why would Roger give up his drummer's seat to a worse drummer / singer than himself?

Or a better one, in this case? But go on thinking Roger is the better singer. And then remember that a song like Su Su Sudio charted higher and sold more than any song Roger put out.

mickyparise wrote: Personally I use to think Genesis was a decent band, but in Tampa, Fl, we all partied all day to see them and not to mention the price of the tickets, but we were ready and settled in our seats and was ready for a good concert, they came out, Phil played one song and the band walked off the stage, a announcer came on stage and said that Collins had a sore voice and could'nt perfome anymore, well of course the crowd booooed....and he came on stage and bascially said F U's! And that really ticked me off, he was nasty and ignorant and conceded, well we thought it was a joke till he said everyone to F off, so I have no RESPECT for the idiot, and they could've cancelled the concert if he had a sore throat, instead of letting the 20,000 people ready, and cancel the concert a few hours before! Instead of letting everyone in to hear one song and then that, and he was so cruel explaining to the crowd, and bottom line, he played in Miami the next evening! Unreal! So no respect for him no more!

jcomber wrote: Ask yourselves how many styles of music has Queen visited compared to Genesis who are Pretty much bog standard Soft Rock.

Sir GH

ah yeah

wrote:

mickyparise wrote: Personally I use to think Genesis was a decent band, but in Tampa, Fl, we all partied all day to see them and not to mention the price of the tickets, but we were ready and settled in our seats and was ready for a good concert, they came out, Phil played one song and the band walked off the stage, a announcer came on stage and said that Collins had a sore voice and could'nt perfome anymore, well of course the crowd booooed....and he came on stage and bascially said F U's! And that really ticked me off, he was nasty and ignorant and conceded, well we thought it was a joke till he said everyone to F off, so I have no RESPECT for the idiot, and they could've cancelled the concert if he had a sore throat, instead of letting the 20,000 people ready, and cancel the concert a few hours before! Instead of letting everyone in to hear one song and then that, and he was so cruel explaining to the crowd, and bottom line, he played in Miami the next evening! Unreal! So no respect for him no more!

Damn... that's awful! What year was that?

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

jcomber wrote: Ask yourselves how many styles of music has Queen visited compared to Genesis who are Pretty much bog standard Soft Rock.

Have you listened to anything Genesis put out between 1970 and 1983?

Are you comparing Queen to Genesis.. Please.. Jcombers point is 100% justified. forget 1970 to 1983. Look at Queen from 1970 to 1995.

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

jcomber wrote: Ask yourselves how many styles of music has Queen visited compared to Genesis who are Pretty much bog standard Soft Rock.

Have you listened to anything Genesis put out between 1970 and 1983?

Are you comparing Queen to Genesis.. Please.. Jcombers point is 100% justified. forget 1970 to 1983. Look at Queen from 1970 to 1995.

No I'm not comparing them. I like them both, and I happen to think Phil is a better drummer than Roger. Matter of personal opinion. Jcombers was calling Genesis "bog standard soft rock", which they weren't from 1970 to 1983. Roger was a great live drummer, but a lot of their studio recordings featured drum machines and drum programming between 1981 and 1989, so what does that tell you? For the most part, Phil Collins drummed on every song on all their albums, but relinquished the throne to Chester Thompson when performing live.

Ok, cool. But didnt most artists use drumming machines in the 80's? I known thats no excuse as such but thats just what you would of needed to use to get the 80's modern sound. On that note, would Roger program the beats ect ect? They still had drums, just electroinc drums.

billy bob wrote: Name a Queen song Neil Peart could play ? all of em Name a Rush song Roger could play ? maybe a couple if your lucky. but then even Mr Colins would struggle on some of em.

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Cwazy little thing wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

jcomber wrote: Ask yourselves how many styles of music has Queen visited compared to Genesis who are Pretty much bog standard Soft Rock.

Have you listened to anything Genesis put out between 1970 and 1983?

Are you comparing Queen to Genesis.. Please.. Jcombers point is 100% justified. forget 1970 to 1983. Look at Queen from 1970 to 1995.

No I'm not comparing them. I like them both, and I happen to think Phil is a better drummer than Roger. Matter of personal opinion. Jcombers was calling Genesis "bog standard soft rock", which they weren't from 1970 to 1983. Roger was a great live drummer, but a lot of their studio recordings featured drum machines and drum programming between 1981 and 1989, so what does that tell you? For the most part, Phil Collins drummed on every song on all their albums, but relinquished the throne to Chester Thompson when performing live.

Ok, cool. But didnt most artists use drumming machines in the 80's? I known thats no excuse as such but thats just what you would of needed to use to get the 80's modern sound. On that note, would Roger program the beats ect ect? They still had drums, just electroinc drums.

Dude - Way out of your depth here clearly. Go away and listen to "Selling England by the Pound" "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" and hmmm "Trick of the Tail" a few times, and maybe you'll have a better idea of how varied PC's ability is. Oh, and even in the 80's and 90's Genesis were far from bog standard soft rock - have a listen to Domino, The Brazilian, Mama, Home by the Sea, Fading Lights, Driving the Last Spike - all a long way from bog standard, and not really soft rock - more accurately prog rock for the time.

Im out of my deepth and your a spoilt brat with no life nor people skills. Obsiously i am asking questions, becuase I dont know the asnwers. Obviosuly im out of my deepth because I couldnt give a shit about old hat bands that frankly no one gives a shit about. To tell some one to go away when there trying to be open minded and whilling to learn, is fucking rude! Your obviously the bigger man here with your vast knowkedge of.... crap,, lets talk about a topic you know nothing about and when you decide to ask a question, ill through it back in your face and tell you, your out of your depth, why dont you fuck of away and listen to this!! Show some respect moron.

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Cwazy little thing wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Cwazy little thing wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

jcomber wrote: Ask yourselves how many styles of music has Queen visited compared to Genesis who are Pretty much bog standard Soft Rock.

Have you listened to anything Genesis put out between 1970 and 1983?

Are you comparing Queen to Genesis.. Please.. Jcombers point is 100% justified. forget 1970 to 1983. Look at Queen from 1970 to 1995.

No I'm not comparing them. I like them both, and I happen to think Phil is a better drummer than Roger. Matter of personal opinion. Jcombers was calling Genesis "bog standard soft rock", which they weren't from 1970 to 1983. Roger was a great live drummer, but a lot of their studio recordings featured drum machines and drum programming between 1981 and 1989, so what does that tell you? For the most part, Phil Collins drummed on every song on all their albums, but relinquished the throne to Chester Thompson when performing live.

Ok, cool. But didnt most artists use drumming machines in the 80's? I known thats no excuse as such but thats just what you would of needed to use to get the 80's modern sound. On that note, would Roger program the beats ect ect? They still had drums, just electroinc drums.

Dude - Way out of your depth here clearly. Go away and listen to "Selling England by the Pound" "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" and hmmm "Trick of the Tail" a few times, and maybe you'll have a better idea of how varied PC's ability is. Oh, and even in the 80's and 90's Genesis were far from bog standard soft rock - have a listen to Domino, The Brazilian, Mama, Home by the Sea, Fading Lights, Driving the Last Spike - all a long way from bog standard, and not really soft rock - more accurately prog rock for the time.

Im out of my deepth and your a spoilt brat with no life nor people skills. Obsiously i am asking questions, becuase I dont know the asnwers. Obviosuly im out of my deepth because I couldnt give a shit about old hat bands that frankly no one gives a shit about. To tell some one to go away when there trying to be open minded and whilling to learn, is fucking rude! Your obviously the bigger man here with your vast knowkedge of.... crap,, lets talk about a topic you know nothing about and when you decide to ask a question, ill through it back in your face and tell you, your out of your depth, why dont you fuck of away and listen to this!! Show some respect moron.

Oh dear. Very sad.
I was going to let it pass, but tbh I couldnt just leave an attack like that floating around in cyberspace without a response.
Im disappointed you took my response as just telling you to "go away". In fact you completely missed the point - you are out of your depth, well and truly, to get involved in a discussion about Phil Collins ability when you apparently lack the basis for comparison.
You say you were asking questions? Fine - learning about music, Queen and otherwise is a great reason to be on this board, as viscious as it can be around here sometimes. But it was the nature of those questions which revealed just how out of your depth you were in fact, thereby justifying my comment/suggestion.
Drum programming was a means of experimentation with the developing technology in the 80's for a lot of bands, but to imply that you can compare drum programming to playing the drums shows a lack of understanding.
Download some free studio software with some sampl

Boy Thomas Raker wrote: "Eddie Van Halen has said before that he can play every single note of every solo that Eric Clapton plays, but when he does it sounds nothing like Clapton and does not sound nearly as good. This is despite probably everyone arguing that ECH is a far superior guitarist from a 'technical' point of view. The same thing would work with Roger's drumming - yes, Neil Peart is technically superior, but he could play Queen songs all day long and the songs would sound very different without Roger's distinct style and sound. In fact, Roger Taylor is one of a very few drummers (usually only guitarists and vocalists get this)who have a distinct style and sound that once heard you can tell it's him almost straight away." Those quotes, especially the first two paragraphs, sum up better than anything I could come up with why Brian, Roger and Paul Rodgers can use the name Queen, but will never be Queen in my eyes. It's the combination of sounds that all four made, not just Freddie's vocals that made Queen.

.....ASSDUDE...... wrote: Small minority...once again you see things on small window don’t you...audiences whom have young people really capsulates a whole generation... I mention one thing about drums, now I know nothing... You’re a narrow minded bigot. What are you, a wog? I went to the movies last night and saw Heartbreak kid, and WTF, they played Queen in there... Queen will live on allot more that genisus, don’t deny it, and get over your self, your people skills are shit.... A fucking donkey could talk more sense than you.