| Mr Mercury 13.11.2007 19:39 |
*edit* I decided to removed the stuff I put on here. As I said below, the things I put on here was NOT MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. |
| Sergei. 13.11.2007 19:48 |
Thanks, these will really help me next month when I'll be on holiday in Islamabad. :B EDIT: Ahh, anyone hear about the teenage girl who went off to the Middle East to meet this guy from Myspace? D: What a dumbfuck. Any way, it's on Dr. Phil tomorrow and I'm gonna watch it. xD |
| John S Stuart 13.11.2007 22:09 |
Alternatively, the Guantanamo Bay phrasebook: 1 - Thank you for showing me your marvelous gun. "Kbar Khali-Kili Haftir Lotfan." 2 - I will tell you the names and addresses of many American spies travelling as reporters. "Khrel, Jepaheh Maneh Va Jayeii Amrikahey" 3 - The water soaked breadcrumbs are delicious, thank you. I must have the recipe. "Tikeh Nuneh Ba Ob Khrelleh Bezorg Va Khube Boyast Ino Begeram" 4 - I am delighted to accept your kind invitation to lie down on the floor with my arms above my head with my legs apart. "Ekr Gabul Cardan Davat Parh Gush Divar" 5 - The red blindfold would be lovely, excellency. "Maternier Ghermez Ahlieh Ghorban" 6 - I agree with everything you have ever said and thought in your whole life. "Howmaeh Fekr Tamomeh Oeh Gorteh Bande" 7 - Whatever you say. "Balli, Balli, Balli" 8 - It is exceptionally kind of you to allow me to travel in the trunk of your car. "Auto Arraregh Davateman Mano Sephaheh- Hasti" 9 - If you will do me the kindness of not harming my genital appendages, I will gladly reciprocate by betraying my country in public. "Cashal-Eh Fashal-Eh Tupheman Na Degat Man Goftam Cheeshayeh Mohemarir Behmeshvarehma." |
| josedequeso 13.11.2007 22:36 |
Fuck off stuart. Don't insult my country’s military. |
| Saint Jiub 14.11.2007 01:31 |
Although most of the terrorists at G-Bay deserve worse than torture, Dubya assures the world that the USA does not torture. Surely, Dubya's word is almost as reliable as the pseudo-science presented in Gore's "A Conveniently Stretched Truth". It is an undeniable truth that global warning wiped out New Orleans. Both Mercury's and JSS;s posts are hilarious in a morbid sort of way. |
| Music Man 14.11.2007 01:36 |
The single most compelling reason to not torture is simply that it does not work. You can argue rights and due process and such till the end of the day, but regardless of your opinion on how expendable individual liberties are (in my personal opinion, not at all), it is this single fact that makes the whole debate useless. Al Gore. Environmental Hysteria. Global Warming. Etc. Boring. |
| John S Stuart 14.11.2007 06:42 |
josedequeso wrote: Fuck off stuart. Don't insult my country’s military.Another predicatable stereotypical 'doodle' remark. If you or your ilk can't take a bit of FUN against your own country or idealogies - then what makes you think you (or your kind) have the God-given right (or intelligence) to dish it out (or laugh) at the expense of others? It is precisely this sort of attitude which fuels the flames of red-necked bigoted jingoism, and promotes the old ignorant Hollywood/McCarthey philosophy that one dead US cowboy is worth ten living Indians. So either lighten up and grow up and see the world for what it REALLY is - or you can F*** both your sister and your mama before your next Klan meeting. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 14.11.2007 08:55 |
Wow...I'm lucky I opened this thread when I was still at home. Had I opened this when I was in my office with my office mate in there she would have killed me! (She's studying Middle Eastern History) It is funny in a morbid sort of way...but I can only appreciate the humor on a limited level. I still find it a gross representation of Middle Eastern culture and Islam. |
| josedequeso 14.11.2007 09:01 |
John S Stuart wrote:No you've missed my point entirely stuart. You can criticize my country for legitimate reasons (there are many reasons to do so right now) but simply put, don't insult the military. They have done nothing wrong and you have compared our service men and women to terrorists and torturers. For that I think you owe an apology. Bash my president, politics, and other politicians all you want, but don't bring the military into the equation.josedequeso wrote: Fuck off stuart. Don't insult my country’s military.Another predicatable stereotypical 'doodle' remark. If you or your ilk can't take a bit of FUN against your own country or idealogies - then what makes you think you (or your kind) have the God-given right (or intelligence) to dish it out (or laugh) at the expense of others? It is precisely this sort of attitude which fuels the flames of red-necked bigoted jingoism, and promotes the old ignorant Hollywood/McCarthey philosophy that one dead US cowboy is worth ten living Indians. So either lighten up and grow up and see the world for what it REALLY is - or you can F*** both your sister and your mama before your next Klan meeting. I will not accept this from another American citizen, and I certainly will not accept it from a foreigner. I didn't find the post at the top very funny to begin with either. |
| john bodega 14.11.2007 09:18 |
"They have done nothing wrong and you have compared our service men and women to terrorists and torturers." You're right! link link link No, of course.... nothing torturous about any of this. You were on the right track for a moment there : 'You can criticize my country for legitimate reasons'. I need to ask you, then : How is criticising the military any less valid, as long as the reasoning is legitimate? "I will not accept this from another American citizen, and I certainly will not accept it from a foreigner." You can sit at your computer, block your eyes and ears and shout 'gnah gnah gnah', and refuse to accept things from people, but it doesn't really change anything. This doesn't address the fact that you're probably the 'foreigner' here, considering that the forum isn't hosted in America (unless I'm mistaken). "I didn't find the post at the top very funny to begin with either" I agree - I found it to be old hat, personally. |
| Mr Mercury 14.11.2007 09:24 |
WOW!! A topic I meant as purely a bit of fun turns into a rant on terrorism almost..... Lighten up people please.... and dont take it personal either.... |
| John S Stuart 14.11.2007 09:26 |
" ...don't insult the military. They have done nothing wrong and you have compared our service men and women to terrorists and torturers." Why NOT insult the US military? Do you really believe in all that Star spangled GI Joe s***? I personally found Mr Mercury's view a bit distasteful, so I thought I would turn the tables and use his own brand of humour against him. It was not meant as a rant, nor as a politcal philosophy - it was just meant to be a humourous, but thought provoking mirror where one could see the joke from the 'other side' as it were. So while I accept that humour can at times be hurtful, spiteful even - the bottom line is, if you can NOT take a joke - do NOT dish it out. Personally, I do like a joke, so perhaps I have just learned to take anti-UK or anti-Scottish jokes in my stride (and being honest while some are undoubtedly insultingly patronising - others can still be quite funny), but one man's meat and all that... Certainly, no great insult was intended. However, if you do wish to get serious: First: Whether you agree or not, many (even in the US) DO view the US military as terrorists and torturers (One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist and all that...) and given the US record on human rights at places like Guantanamo Bay, many feel that such a view is entirely justified. It was Samuel Johnson who stated: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", and while it is one thing to be patriotic - it is another to be blinkered to the point of Orwellian doublethink. Second: Why should the US military be singled out to be ABOVE humourous attack? I do not view anything to be so sacred (religion, politics, celebrity) that it can not be poked fun at. Why should the might of the US military fear a humourous reply to an internet bulletin board? If YOU really do feel so strongly about this issue, then you really do need to lighten up. Finally: While the U.S. Constitution offers every American "freedom of speech", does this not extend to Johnny Foreigners willing to critise US policy also, or do you defend such liberties by bombing the f*** out of those who disagree with you? (BTW: I am not anti-American in any way - but I am very anti-bigoted and ignorance - whatever the race or creed). |
| josedequeso 14.11.2007 09:58 |
No I don't believe all that GI Joe shit. I just don't believe you should "insult" (difference from criticize) and impugn the reputation of the 99 percent of the decent and great people that serve our country. I won't insult your military either. Maybe I'm just grateful to a country that took in an immigrant family and allowed us to have such a great standard of living. I plan on returning that favour any day now when I will join the air force, so maybe I did take it a little bit personal. I hope you don't judge this country by blurbs in your local newspaper, I won't judge yours that way either. Listen stuart, I think you're an intelligent guy, I appreciate you not being a dick about this (though I don't appreciate the fucking my sister/mother joke) and I think you aren't anti-american. I believe in freedom of speech and all that good stuff, I just hoped I wouldn’t be shot down for giving an unpopular opinion (which it seems to be unpopular these days to support the military) Well, I have to go to work now, have a nice day. BTW Please don't lump me in with the republicans, white-trash, rednecks, or the christians. The only thing we have in common is support for the military. |
| Micrówave 14.11.2007 11:37 |
josedequeso wrote: Fuck off stuart. Don't insult my country’s military. josedequeso wrote: I believe in freedom of speech and all that good stuffGreat. Now what's John supposed to do?!?!? I must have missed the Mother/Daugher joke, but I'm still trying to recover from "how to tell her the war's over." Jose, lighten up, man. I am one of the last remaining Bush supporters, but we can still have intellegent dialogue here, eh? Take this for thought. All these people slamming Bush and the Military and everything that's happened in the last 7 years. Then imagine John Kerry or Al Gore in the same position. And now imagine Hillary or Ladysmith Black Obama doing it? I mean really imagine Hillary as commander in chief! Now thats funny stuff!!! |
| Erin 14.11.2007 13:10 |
josedequeso wrote: BTW Please don't lump me in with the republicans, white-trash, rednecks, or the christians. The only thing we have in common is support for the military....and the fact that you live in S.C. We have more republicans, white-trash, rednecks, and christians per capita than any State in the union. ;-P |
| Music Man 14.11.2007 15:08 |
HistoryGirl wrote: Wow...I'm lucky I opened this thread when I was still at home. Had I opened this when I was in my office with my office mate in there she would have killed me! (She's studying Middle Eastern History) It is funny in a morbid sort of way...but I can only appreciate the humor on a limited level. I still find it a gross representation of Middle Eastern culture and Islam.Misrepresentation is an irreplaceable pillar of humor. I'll admit to finding humor in jokes pertaining to Blacks enjoying fried chicken, blondes being borderline retarded, and Muslims committing acts of terrorism. However, there is a rather thick black line between humor and reality, and as long as one recognizes this, there is no harm in such comedy (unless you're a stiff who irrationally and easily takes offense at humor). |
| Music Man 14.11.2007 15:16 |
Also, stop lumping all Republicans/Conservatives together. There are generally two varieties: Main Street Republicans/Neo-Conservatives/Morons and Wall Street Republicans/Classic Conservatives/Classical Liberals/Libertarians/Anyone who has ever opened an economics textbook/Intelligent People Somewhere in between lie liberals, otherwise known as those who have never opened an economics textbook (or perhaps have opened it, but never cared to read or understand it). |
| sparrow 21754 14.11.2007 15:51 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote:there is also the line of tact. when people cross that, its no longer funny.HistoryGirl wrote: Wow...I'm lucky I opened this thread when I was still at home. Had I opened this when I was in my office with my office mate in there she would have killed me! (She's studying Middle Eastern History) It is funny in a morbid sort of way...but I can only appreciate the humor on a limited level. I still find it a gross representation of Middle Eastern culture and Islam.Misrepresentation is an irreplaceable pillar of humor. I'll admit to finding humor in jokes pertaining to Blacks enjoying fried chicken, blondes being borderline retarded, and Muslims committing acts of terrorism. However, there is a rather thick black line between humor and reality, and as long as one recognizes this, there is no harm in such comedy (unless you're a stiff who irrationally and easily takes offense at humor). the 'too soon' law the 'insult/attack of personal matter (or hitting below the belt)/malice of a joke' law and 'the media hasnt beaten the dead horse yet' law are all unwritten laws of comedy that should be avoided, or at least i get the consensus of. example: school shootings. not a laughing matter right? but lets say the media shows it non stop for weeks straight. people go from shock, to sympathetic to annoyed. thats when it becomes a joke, because its everywhere, and since who knows when, comedy has always been the remedy for tragedy :) mostly because its so ridiculously gratuitous in false information, and exagerated, to the point where it shows disrespect. so the public returns a favor. another example: race jokes. why look around the room? there are stereotypes made, because a fraction of the race has represented some bad aspects, and that goes for all races. so we make fun of that. nobody is nessesarily generalizing that particular race, but some are funny (lets face it) and majority of us are not rascist, so what have we to hide? however when one does generalize, and truly have some kind of malice towards a race, thats when it is no longer funny, and actually quite pathetic, and even crosses the line of 'shock value' to shame. last example: your loved one dies of cancer. most of us joke about death often, sometimes if someone gets a cut ive heard people joke and say 'dont get your AIDS on me!' but if someone close to you died of AIDS or cancer, you dont want to hear about any joke about it. so if someone did joke directly to you about it, with that tragedy, you would probably be pissed, right? rightly so. it would be tactless. but wait a while, when the shock and stages wear away, and it becomes something funny to joke about again. |
| Music Man 14.11.2007 20:03 |
You are right, and your points are well-taken. However, the art of humor is to push or test the boundaries of tact. You'd be surprised at how well a proper delivery can completely eliminate the "too soon" rule, or how that rule can be specifically used to comedic effect. |
| Carol! the Musical 14.11.2007 20:52 |
<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: Thanks, these will really help me next month when I'll be on holiday in Islamabad. :B EDIT: Ahh, anyone hear about the teenage girl who went off to the Middle East to meet this guy from Myspace? D: What a dumbfuck. Any way, it's on Dr. Phil tomorrow and I'm gonna watch it. xDI saw it. The girl looked like she was on crack! :O |
| john bodega 15.11.2007 02:09 |
"last example: your loved one dies of cancer. most of us joke about death often, sometimes if someone gets a cut ive heard people joke and say 'dont get your AIDS on me!' but if someone close to you died of AIDS or cancer, you dont want to hear about any joke about it. so if someone did joke directly to you about it, with that tragedy, you would probably be pissed, right? rightly so. it would be tactless. but wait a while, when the shock and stages wear away, and it becomes something funny to joke about again." OR... link I think I'll stick with Cleese on this. |
