| The Real Wizard 06.11.2007 13:25 |
link Good arguments on both sides. And I love the last sentence, because it's SO true: "The use of video replay would not only cut into the newspapers' and television shows' action, but it would also spell the end of Italy's second national pastime – arguing." Anyway, I digress. Let's hear your thoughts! |
| Mr.Jingles 06.11.2007 13:34 |
Joseph Blatter won't introduce video replay because then he won't be able to interfere and having games fixed. Such actions are justified by saying it was the referee's mistake. After the two disallowed goal by Spain in the 2002 World Cup, it's more than clear that FIFA is a corrupt organization. |
| AC 06.11.2007 14:23 |
I agree with Mr. Jingles.
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: And I love the last sentence, because it's SO true: "The use of video replay would not only cut into the newspapers' and television shows' action, but it would also spell the end of Italy's second national pastime – arguing."The last sentence is so UNTRUE. Italians would keep on arguing. Oh, and the ban on Zalyeta was revoked some days later when a NEW video showed that, even if there was no contact between Zalayeta and Buffon, there was a contact between Zalayeta and Legrottaglie (a Juventus player). In my opinion, that was not what made Zalayeta jump, he made a real flight. Am I still arguing or not? |
| YourValentine 07.11.2007 06:36 |
This article is so full of stereotypes, it makes me laugh: "...in a country noted for its corrupt politicians and the Mafia... ...In general, Italians have never heard a conspiracy theory they didn't like... ...it would have a damaging effect on the spirited discourse about soccer that always takes place between Italians during a water-cooler break at the office, at the corner café while enjoying their morning espresso, and while standing in line at the bakery to buy bread for that evening's supper...." Oh please - where are pizza, o sole mio and olive oil? I never saw people waiting in line at a bakery in Italy but that would destroy the picture. On topic: the video proof would take away a lot of the football game. Results are not always fair but life isn't either. To stop the game every 5 minutes to check if a decision was correct or not would kill the flow of the game and make it more technical and less human. Mistakes happen and in the long run every team wins or loses by them. Only corrupt referees could be stopped by a video proof but luckily most referees are not corrupt. |
| The Mir@cle 07.11.2007 07:13 |
YourValentine wrote: On topic: the video proof would take away a lot of the football game. Results are not always fair but life isn't either. To stop the game every 5 minutes to check if a decision was correct or not would kill the flow of the game and make it more technical and less human. Mistakes happen and in the long run every team wins or loses by them. Only corrupt referees could be stopped by a video proof but luckily most referees are not corrupt.Well, it doesn't have to be like that. The referee shouldn't use the video proof to check it's a throw in or not. But I think they should put camera in the goals to see if it's a goal or not. |
| Serry... 07.11.2007 07:31 |
Please, call it "football", okay? Thanks! |
| AspiringPhilosophe 07.11.2007 08:52 |
Being a Newbie to the world of soccerdom, I don't feel like I have a whole lot I can add to the conversation. However, in the time that Marko and I have been going to games, I have had some things explained to me. (And I seriously owe him for taking the time and patience to explain the game to me...and even attempting to explain offside rule, without getting snappy at my complete ignorance of the game) One of the things I've had explained to me (and indeed one of the reasons I am starting to really like the game) is the continuous motion. The games take exactly 90 minutes...no more. This ensures fluid action on the field. (And is also one of the complaints most people have about "American Football"...but I like American football as well!) Having video replay would break up the action, which I'm sure will have people screaming. Someone already mentioned this, but do you know how long these games would run if they had video replay and had to use it every time there was a call someone disagreed with? Sheesh! I just watched my Now MAC West Conference Champions university football team play our rival last night on ESPN 2, and we easily added 20 minutes to the 4th quarter asking for video review of a potential touchdown (or in my opinion, two touchdowns). And you can't guarantee the video will catch what you want...last night it was a determination of whether or not the football broke the plane, and you couldn't SEE the football because the play started on the one yard line and all you could see was a MASS of football players, shoving with all of their might in one direction or the other. I don't have any knowledge of FIFA or anything like that, so I can't really say anything on that. But is there really that great of a demand for video replay in soccer? |
| YourValentine 07.11.2007 09:08 |
@ Miracle: what about other vital decisions like red card (can be deadly for a team), penalty, corner leading to a goal etc. ? I can name a dozen of infamous referee mistakes in the history of football but just to name one example: The famous 1966 Wembley goal has been shown on TV millions of times and people are still arguing if the ball crossed the line or not. A video replay would not have helped at all. It just was too hard to tell. If video replay should be introduced it would be about all controversial decisions, a horrible idea for me. |
| YourValentine 07.11.2007 09:12 |
"and we easily added 20 minutes to the 4th quarter asking for video review of a potential touchdown (or in my opinion, two touchdowns). And you can't guarantee the video will catch what you want.." yes excactly, how annoying. And nothing to go mad about! |
| Mr.Jingles 07.11.2007 09:21 |
I'm not 100% sure about video replay but I do agree that technology should be used to improve referee decisions instead of relying 100% on what the referee and the linesmen see. With all the technological advancements, a pocket computer could tell a referee with exact precision whether if there was an offside or not. |
| Holly2003 07.11.2007 09:54 |
There should be goal-line cameras to see if a ball has crossed the line or not. Just imagine if we had those in 1966: we wouldn't have had to listen to 40-odd years of Englands fans carping on about how they won the world cup. |
| The Mir@cle 07.11.2007 10:09 |
Holly2003 wrote: There should be goal-line cameras to see if a ball has crossed the line or not. Just imagine if we had those in 1966: we wouldn't have had to listen to 40-odd years of Englands fans carping on about how they won the world cup.That's what I meant... I mean, even with tennis they use the "hawk eye" already! At least they should use a goal-line camera imo. But I agree that you can't use them for everything. It will kill the game. |
| Micrówave 07.11.2007 11:58 |
As a traditionalist, this makes me very worried for soccer. But then, Baseball acknowledged discussions of the same type for the first time this year, also. Clearly, it seems to be working in other sports, such as football. While it does stop down games, it's not happening on every play or every other one for that matter. Teams are given a set amount of "challenges". Plus all questionable plays are reviewed in the final two minutes. So, if anything, it's made the game last about fifteen minutes longer. Is that a lot? I don't think so. But here, we're dealing with a sport that uses an 'exact time' clock. Now you have to break that up. If you're going to do that, you're going to have to leave the door open for stoppage for other reasons in the future. Might as well put a game clock up there in the scoreboard and start issuing time-outs. What's next? Penalty shots to break up ties? If soccer wants to continue at the level it is, should it be doing what all the sports are already doing or should it set the bar for other sports? Good question. |
| YourValentine 07.11.2007 13:49 |
I think a goal camera would not be the end of the story. Most controversies are not about the ball crossing the line or not crossing the line. Most controversies are about penalties, red cards, offside position etc. Once you start using video, it will get worse and worse. I would not like football matches to be interrupted all the time. Also, the flow of a match would be disturbed if decisions get reviewed all the time. Football has a lot to do with atmosphere, emotion, crowd noise. Many people think that an angry team and angry crowd can win a game. |
| Gratzi 07.11.2007 14:46 |
YourValentine wrote: I think a goal camera would not be the end of the story. Most controversies are not about the ball crossing the line or not crossing the line. Most controversies are about penalties, red cards, offside position etc. Once you start using video, it will get worse and worse. I would not like football matches to be interrupted all the time.Seconded!That is why I quitted watching rugby matches. Also, the flow of a match would be disturbed if decisions get reviewed all the time. Football has a lot to do with atmosphere, emotion, crowd noise.Let us not forget about the strategies before a match, which unfortunatelly disolve during the game. That's one of my biggest regrets. |
| Gratzi 07.11.2007 14:50 |
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| Gratzi 07.11.2007 14:51 |
triple! sorry! *blushes* never happened to me before. :S there's a first time for everything! Dang! |
| john bodega 07.11.2007 23:57 |
It's ridiculous. It's like asking 'should video replay be used by NASA?'. |
| Matias Merçeauroix 08.11.2007 12:04 |
soccer? what's soccer oh, you mean FOOTBALL |
| Micrówave 08.11.2007 12:33 |
Go to GOOGLE.COM, or any search engine and simply type in "Football". What comes up? Football or Soccer? |
| YourValentine 08.11.2007 14:40 |
link google results depend on your location |
| Serry... 09.11.2007 00:26 |
I'll hang anyone who'd say 'soccer' one more time... |
| john bodega 09.11.2007 03:01 |
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| Serry... 09.11.2007 05:33 |
You like 'On An Island' album - I can't hang you. Sorry. |
| Mr.Jingles 09.11.2007 07:17 |
Football is the sport where players actually kick a ball with their feet. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 09.11.2007 08:38 |
**dry humor mode on** Hey now! I'd gladly call it football...indeed I almost did when I typed my response to the thread. But I'm an American, and most of your here know that. I had to make the distinction by calling it Soccer because anyone who knows Americans would think that I was talking about American Football if I just said, "Football". I'll refer to it as football from now on and refer to the other as "American Football" from now on, as I'd rather not be hung by Serry.... **dry humor mode off** |
| Micrówave 09.11.2007 12:27 |
YourValentine wrote: link google results depend on your locationWow, I didn't know that! Another thing I'd be interested in knowing is why the term "soccer" came about? "Football" is kinda self-explanatory... you kick a ball with your foot. But there are no girls in Soccer, at least the version we watch, and that clearly sounds like it would be a foul of some kind. |
| Serry... 09.11.2007 12:45 |
Micrówave wrote: Another thing I'd be interested in knowing is why the term "soccer" came about?"assoc." (Association Football) |
| Ms. Rebel 09.11.2007 13:37 |
Zebonka12 you are really one of the kind xD |
| john bodega 09.11.2007 22:57 |
"You like 'On An Island' album - I can't hang you. Sorry." I never thought I'd be saved by my own taste in music! I hereby take back most of the SOCCERs. "Zebonka12 you are really one of the kind xD" Well.... could you imagine there being 50 of me? The place would go down the drain! :) |