| NTL 02.11.2007 08:44 |
OK I'll go first. LMEY guitar solo been done. If you listen to the old version you hear half a dozen scuffed notes. Would even go as far as saying this is a new studio dub done by Brian. |
| Adam Baboolal 02.11.2007 10:20 |
I agree with that observation! Good catch. Though, I wouldn't say a dozen scuffed notes. Compared the discs I have and sounds like a couple of changes on the solo bit. Any others? Adam. |
| D@VID 02.11.2007 10:50 |
I am a huge Queen fan but come on,does it really matter? |
| YourValentine 02.11.2007 11:09 |
David, this is a Queen forum. We are supposed to discuss these details to death. It's the only place where we can have such discussions without being frowned at. |
| Lester Burnham 02.11.2007 11:21 |
YourValentine wrote: David, this is a Queen forum. We are supposed to discuss these details to death. It's the only place where we can have such discussions without being frowned at.Apparently not... To go by what Mr Mercury said in another thread, if this was a Beatles forum and people were asking about what was being overdubbed and what was fresh, people would really get into it here. Yet, for some reason, on a Queen forum, it's considered nitpicky to dissect it. I don't get it. If you don't like the thread or don't like what's being discussed, just go to another thread that you do like. |
| Jeroen 02.11.2007 11:29 |
Hey! FUCK the overdubs! Let's analyse Freddie's white shorts! :-P |
| Erin 02.11.2007 11:38 |
Jeroen wrote: Hey! FUCK the overdubs! Let's analyse Freddie's white shorts! :-PMan, them shorts was short! |
| Jeroen 02.11.2007 11:40 |
Erin wrote:...and what about TIGHT! 8-OJeroen wrote: Hey! FUCK the overdubs! Let's analyse Freddie's white shorts! :-PMan, them shorts was short! |
| Erin 02.11.2007 11:43 |
Jeroen wrote: ...and what about TIGHT! 8-OHe must've used cooking oil to get 'em on!! |
| Mr Mercury 02.11.2007 11:54 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Not quite correct, Lester. I did not say any of that at all. My point in the other thread was solely about Benn talking about one song being out of place on the CD's and I only used the Beatles' Pepper album as a comparison. Please dont paint me as the villian here.YourValentine wrote: David, this is a Queen forum. We are supposed to discuss these details to death. It's the only place where we can have such discussions without being frowned at.Apparently not... To go by what Mr Mercury said in another thread, if this was a Beatles forum and people were asking about what was being overdubbed and what was fresh, people would really get into it here. Yet, for some reason, on a Queen forum, it's considered nitpicky to dissect it. I don't get it. If you don't like the thread or don't like what's being discussed, just go to another thread that you do like. The overdubs thing does facinate me as I would rather hear a live concert as is - warts and all. And i will read this thread avidly to see what was fixed and what wasnt. Most of the time I wish that any band whether it be Queen or not, wouldnt touch any live recordings except maybe to correct the levels of the guitars, bass, drums, etc. |
| Lester Burnham 02.11.2007 12:14 |
<font color=FF9900>Mr Mercury</font> wrote:Erm, yeah. Sorry, I didn't quite mean what I had written... I didn't mean it to be a bad thing, I meant to say that I was going to use the Beatles as an example, as you had.Lester Burnham wrote:Not quite correct, Lester. I did not say any of that at all. My point in the other thread was solely about Benn talking about one song being out of place on the CD's and I only used the Beatles' Pepper album as a comparison. Please dont paint me as the villian here.YourValentine wrote: David, this is a Queen forum. We are supposed to discuss these details to death. It's the only place where we can have such discussions without being frowned at.Apparently not... To go by what Mr Mercury said in another thread, if this was a Beatles forum and people were asking about what was being overdubbed and what was fresh, people would really get into it here. Yet, for some reason, on a Queen forum, it's considered nitpicky to dissect it. I don't get it. If you don't like the thread or don't like what's being discussed, just go to another thread that you do like. My post wasn't meant to single you out or use you as an example – sorry if it came off that way! The "apparently not" was directed at D@VID, not at you, if that's what you thought. |
| Togg 02.11.2007 12:24 |
Not wishing to wander off topic too much, but the interesting question is whether or not if it were YOUR performance they filmed, would you not want to correct your mistakes? At the end of the day it is a creative product and most artists only want the public to hear there work as they intend it to be heard 'perfectly' I personnally feel it is almost two different things the live concert you attend is a moment in time or almost a feeling if you like, the DVD of the concert becomes something that is there forever and then becomes something different and therefore needs to be treated differently, if in twenty years time it is played it needs to be a good representation of the 'band'. I rather like the whole in-perfect VHS version and the touched up DVD they are both just as interesting to me. I know many will disagree with this, but I am looking at it from the artist point of view, naturally a member of the audience would really want a perfect copy of the night 'they' experienced, which is impossible to do asit will be different for everyone and we all have selective hearing! |
| Mr Mercury 02.11.2007 12:25 |
Lester thanks for clearing that up, I did misunderstand you a bit. Sorry for my part as well Anyway, peace to you!! (Off topic - are you doing any more Queen related books?) |
| YourValentine 02.11.2007 12:47 |
Togg, I think it's a matter of taste - maybe it's more enjoyable NOT to hear Freddie's voice crack on FBG in Milton Keynes for 20 years but the idea of this thread is to trace down the actual overdubs and that is a very interesting topic. After 20 more people posted off-topic comments (myself included), the thread will hopefully return to the initial issue :)) |
| Daniel vZ 02.11.2007 14:15 |
The WWRY-dvd; -Play the game -Let me entertain you. And probably a lot more. |
| cmsdrums 02.11.2007 14:31 |
I'm not saying that Brian is averse to making changes, but are we sure though that they are overdubs, and not simply clips taken from the first/second night which wasn't used for those bits on the original VHS release? However I must say that it does seem daft to me when they tart things up that we've already got on another release, and so it's clearly obvious when they've done it!! |
| August R. 02.11.2007 20:10 |
cmsdrums wrote: However I must say that it does seem daft to me when they tart things up that we've already got on another release, and so it's clearly obvious when they've done it!!I think a vast majority of people won't notice any differences. These thing are "clearly obvious" for only few Queen-maniacs and "nitpickers"... well, that means us. :) |
| The Real Wizard 03.11.2007 00:31 |
NTL wrote: OK I'll go first. LMEY guitar solo been done. If you listen to the old version you hear half a dozen scuffed notes. Would even go as far as saying this is a new studio dub done by Brian.Or it could be from the other night in Montreal, being as it's a compilation of two nights. |
| Sunshine 03.11.2007 03:59 |
I was listening to this version of Somebody To Love: link Freddie's voice is just different, Brian's guitarsolo is much better on QRM and they just polished everything. From the other hand I am fascinated how the hell it is possible to 'clean up' a recording but on the other hand I feel cheated because it can not be real what we are listening to on QRM. But how is it possible with Freddie's voice, obviously he can not sing it again in the studio and if they recorded overdubs earlier, why didnt they use it on the WWRY and later releases? I know they had to buy the rights and so on...but still..? |
| Mr Mercury 03.11.2007 06:57 |
sunshine wrote: But how is it possible with Freddie's voice, obviously he can not sing it again in the studio and if they recorded overdubs earlier, why didnt they use it on the WWRY and later releases? I know they had to buy the rights and so on...but still..?As well as using overdubs from elsewhere, they may also have used certain software to correct any flat notes, or moved parts in order to run in synch with the visuals. |
| Daniel Nester 03.11.2007 07:46 |
Does Roger ever do vocal overdubs, I think to myself? Drum overdubs/corrections? I just can't imagine Roger getting into a vocal booth decades later to do this. What with his anti-live album viewpoint in the first place. |
| cmsdrums 04.11.2007 10:23 |
Daniel Nester wrote: Does Roger ever do vocal overdubs, I think to myself? Drum overdubs/corrections? I just can't imagine Roger getting into a vocal booth decades later to do this. What with his anti-live album viewpoint in the first place.Good point - I wouldn't think he would bother too. We'll find out when the Budapest gig is released on DVD, cos there's a part in One Vision where Freddie sings "one direction" and Roger sings "one solution" (or vice versa) and it comes out as "one dilution"!!! If that's not there we'll know there's a change! Budapest will be interesting actually, cos with Wembley and Montreral there are a few different bits, but it could be that they are from the other night, and so can still be billed correctly as "live at Wembley/Montreal". As there was only one Budapest gig however, if there's anything different there it wil clearly be taken from another concert, or overdubed later on |
| Adam Baboolal 04.11.2007 13:57 |
Someone said the RM's Live Aid addition is the same as the LA box version. Well...no, the audio has been changed. I have been comparing the Live Aid performance's sound to the 2004 LA dvd and the bass seems a little bit better. Roger's kit sounds far more weighted than before. The kick really...kicks! It's actually a very nice change. Maybe this is what Brian meant by having found something to add to the RM release...the multi-track for their LA performance? This is ONLY speculation, I must add. Adam. |
| Jeroen 05.11.2007 04:10 |
Yes, I also noticed that the 5.1 mix of LA is indeed different. This one is better then the other one. Like you said, it's punchier, heavier. |
| earwig 05.11.2007 08:32 |
It may not be a remix - just a remaster. If all the bottom end was beefed up then the kick and bass would certainly change! Remastering and remixing is not the same thing!!! ;-) |
| Adam Baboolal 05.11.2007 10:31 |
earwig wrote: It may not be a remix - just a remaster. If all the bottom end was beefed up then the kick and bass would certainly change! Remastering and remixing is not the same thing!!! ;-)Who said it had been remixed? Actually, now you mention it, it HAS been remixed! lol The sound of the kick being so wildly different from the LA dvd set confirms this. Adam. |
| louvox 05.11.2007 17:49 |
NTL wrote: OK I'll go first. LMEY guitar solo been done. If you listen to the old version you hear half a dozen scuffed notes. Would even go as far as saying this is a new studio dub done by Brian.It was the first thing I noticed as well. It does sound as if the solo was re-recorded. |
| Togg 07.11.2007 07:47 |
louvox wrote:Nah... Pro Tools is a wonderful thing...NTL wrote: OK I'll go first. LMEY guitar solo been done. If you listen to the old version you hear half a dozen scuffed notes. Would even go as far as saying this is a new studio dub done by Brian.It was the first thing I noticed as well. It does sound as if the solo was re-recorded. |
| bitesthedust 11.11.2007 03:55 |
One thing I noticed today on Love Of My Life; the audio is from the original WWRY dvd, where Freddie says "you don't know it huh?" but if you listen to the QRM cd you can hear the audience singing in the background beforehand! |
| Sunshine 16.11.2007 05:41 |
I also noticed Freddie's voice change in BoRhap, he really sounds vicious during the rock part and in the end he sounds so soft and mellow, it sounds unnatural to me. Like it comes from another source... |
| Daz85 16.11.2007 12:48 |
The audio on this new release is different because they managed to properly use the correct audio in sync to the footage for the night it was filmed/recorded. The old releases were a mish-mash of both footage on 2 nights, and audio from 2 nights... not neccessarily the right audio for the right visuals! Acoording to Brian, it's all now back in place, but of course you're still watching 2-nights worth of stuff. That's what you're hearing different. |
| ANAGRAMER 17.11.2007 04:58 |
Goodpoint above BUT note on Killer Queen - same footage used twice during verse - Guaranteed to blow your mind' - previously poor lip-sync/dubbed vocal on WWRY version Ah - - who says we're picky huh? |
| NTL 17.11.2007 06:33 |
Darren Robins wrote: The audio on this new release is different because they managed to properly use the correct audio in sync to the footage for the night it was filmed/recorded. The old releases were a mish-mash of both footage on 2 nights, and audio from 2 nights... not neccessarily the right audio for the right visuals! Acoording to Brian, it's all now back in place, but of course you're still watching 2-nights worth of stuff. That's what you're hearing different.No they have not, is almost identical. All they have done is remove the obvious faults ie in TYMD and SHA. |
| NTL 17.11.2007 06:35 |
sunshine wrote: I also noticed Freddie's voice change in BoRhap, he really sounds vicious during the rock part and in the end he sounds so soft and mellow, it sounds unnatural to me. Like it comes from another source...Excellent point! The exact same thing happens throughout NIH. Another source indeed! |