| Mr.Jingles 27.10.2007 06:37 |
OK, like most people I've grown eating chicken, steak, and all the most commonly known meat products, and I still continue to do so. After visiting websites like this one: link ...and witnessing the horrifying ways how animals are constantly mistreated and abused in the meat industry, it truly makes me feel like I should go vegetarian, although I have to admit that it's hard to break a habit that I've had for my entire life. So for all of you guys who have considered going vegetarian, tell us about your expierences, and even for those who were raised vegetarians, please feel free to share your points of view. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 06:47 |
I'm a vegetarian myself and I can't say it is that hard (even though I was a big fan of meat, I just loved it). There is lots of delicious 'vega'food, like vega burgers etc. Sometimes I do feel like eating chickenwings or something...but I can resist it :) It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat. |
| .DeaconJohn. 27.10.2007 07:22 |
MR wrote: It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat.- Is this actually true? |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 27.10.2007 07:35 |
I don't know how to explain what I'm going to say, but I see it like this.... I hate it when I see those pictures on websites of animals being killed. Yet I still eat meat, its tasty and chicken is good for you. Red meat a little less good for you. I've been brought up where everyone around me eats meat. I'm not aware of anyone in my family that are vegetarians. But myself, I don't know how I could quit and be a vegetarian. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 08:06 |
.DeaconJohn. wrote:Vegetarians are at lower risk from heart diseases, cancer, for example. They have lower cholesterol levels in their blood etc. Eating a lot of meat isn't good for you (I'm not saying eating meat once in a while is bad, I don't know about that but it still is healthier not to eat meat, at least when you get all the nutrients you need)..there's a lot of cholesterol in it etc. you will get fat faster.MR wrote: It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat.- Is this actually true? link If you consider still eating meat, then eat organic meat. Those animals had at least somewhat better lives than the ones from factory farms. |
| Sergei. 27.10.2007 08:54 |
I could actually be considered a vegetarian just by the fact that I NEVER eat meat and don't even think about it. Hell, I don't even drink milk. xD For me it's nothing to do with vegetarianism, I don't believe, it's just that I've got a terrible diet. |
| Ms. Rebel 27.10.2007 08:55 |
Mmmmmm....oooo...finally interesting topic. Last year I haven't eat any of meat for 40 days and it was not hard at all. Yes It's true that people who are vegetarians are living healthier life but I'm not that kind of person, I'm not into 'healthy life'. That means I wouldn't drink at weekends, be smoking every day and stuff..I'm just doing things that I like. But lets go back to the topic. I was actually thinking becoming vegetarian but only reason would be love to animals. Like Jessie I was also brought up where everyone around me are eating meat, but that doesn't mean nothing to me. I don't know I guess I will need to think twice about that whole vegetarian thing, to see is that really something that I want. |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 27.10.2007 09:20 |
How about the pain that these poor plants feel when they are cut down in the prime of life? Does anyone ever give a moment's thought to that? The suffering? How do we know that these plants aren't scared shitless? Anyway, I could never do it, I'm not a veggie person, veggies taste like poo. That, and I really don't see the point of processing so called veggies into hamburger shapes, with hamburger flavor... If you're gonna go to all that trouble, just go ahead and have a damn real one. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 27.10.2007 09:34 |
My father was a wholesale butcher so we grew up on meat. Now, the only 'meat' I eat is fish. My vegetarian dishes aren't elaborate but then, I'm of Italian descent, so I've been trained in the art of pasta. :-) Several ethnic cookbooks offer vegetarian recipes and, honestly, when it's done right, you wouldn't feel like you're missing anything. I cook a lot of Chinese and Indian as well as Italian, and we never feel cheated. If you're interested, there's an organization dedicated to rescuing downed farm animals. I have a standing monthly donation to them and receive their newsletters. They offer vegan cookbooks (which are much more strict than vegetarian) and proceeds go to supporting the animals they rescue. link |
| eenaweena 27.10.2007 09:37 |
since vegans don't eat meat, how do they get proteins without the use of vitamin supplements? we all know that meat's the greatest source for protein. just curious. :) |
| Mr.Jingles 27.10.2007 09:42 |
<font color="green"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: since vegans don't eat meat, how do they get proteins without the use of vitamin supplements? we all know that meat's the greatest source for protein. just curious. :)Well, there's a big difference between a vegan and a vegetarian. Vegetarians won't eat animal meat, but vegans take it a little bit to the extreme by not consuming any products that come from animals including dairy, eggs, and even honey. |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 27.10.2007 09:52 |
I've often considered going vegetarian, in fact it was only the other day I stopped eating my dinner because I realised it was part of a dead sheep, but I suppose when it comes down to it, I really do like meat. I have about 4 or 5 members of my family who are vegetarian, two of which eat fish, so if I ever did decide to go vegetarian, I would definitely stay eating fish. Yes, I'm sure they have feelings too, but it's the way animals are farmed which bothers me. In my house we have organic free range meat, egg, and milk, so at least that way we know that no battery farming was been involved, and when I'm out I mostly to stick to vegetarian stuff, or fish. But yes, perhaps when I move out next year, I mighty try going vegetarian. It seems fairer really. Oh yeah, and foie gras should be banned. The very idea of disgusts me. |
| eenaweena 27.10.2007 09:53 |
okay lemme rephrase that. where do vegetarians get their source of protein, when meat is the greatest source of it? |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 27.10.2007 09:54 |
<font color="green"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: since vegans don't eat meat, how do they get proteins without the use of vitamin supplements? we all know that meat's the greatest source for protein. just curious. :)There's a lot of protein in eggs, beans, pulses and nuts. Also in TVP and Quorn and whatnot. |
| Mr.Jingles 27.10.2007 10:00 |
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| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 10:34 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: My father was a wholesale butcher so we grew up on meat. Now, the only 'meat' I eat is fish. My vegetarian dishes aren't elaborate but then, I'm of Italian descent, so I've been trained in the art of pasta. :-) Several ethnic cookbooks offer vegetarian recipes and, honestly, when it's done right, you wouldn't feel like you're missing anything. I cook a lot of Chinese and Indian as well as Italian, and we never feel cheated. If you're interested, there's an organization dedicated to rescuing downed farm animals. I have a standing monthly donation to them and receive their newsletters. They offer vegan cookbooks (which are much more strict than vegetarian) and proceeds go to supporting the animals they rescue. linkFarmsanctuary looks like such a great organization! I want to adopt a turkey they are so cute!! |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 10:38 |
<font color="green"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: since vegans don't eat meat, how do they get proteins without the use of vitamin supplements? we all know that meat's the greatest source for protein. just curious. :)The proteins and omega-3 fatty acids and such are in soja and maybe more things I don't know. I eat soya burgers almost every day. i don't take supplements... Oh I just say Freya already posted something about it. You're right foie gras should be banned. It's the very worst. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 27.10.2007 10:53 |
I've never considered going vegetarian to be honest...because I don't like enough vegetables to survive if I did. I mean, I'm big into pasta and fruits and things and there are a lot of times when I'll got for a few days without eating any meat at all. Just remember to watch your cholesterol if you do go vegetarian, Dan. I cannot tell you how many people my mom has seen in the ER because they had heart attacks and they were totally confused about it because they were vegetarians. You've got to eat the eggs and beans and stuff for the protein, but they are also very high in bad cholesterol. |
| The Real Wizard 27.10.2007 11:07 |
<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: I've been brought up where everyone around me eats meat. I'm not aware of anyone in my family that are vegetarians. But myself, I don't know how I could quit and be a vegetarian.Easily! You can do the research, and make the decision for yourself. Just because they're family doesn't mean they're infallible and that everything they brought you up with is correct on every level. Haystacks Calhounski wrote: How about the pain that these poor plants feel when they are cut down in the prime of life? Does anyone ever give a moment's thought to that? The suffering? How do we know that these plants aren't scared shitless?As much as you're joking, there are people who do think like that. They're called fruitarians. They only eat fruit, with the belief that the fruit and only the fruit naturally fell off the tree for us to eat. <font color="green"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: since vegans don't eat meat, how do they get proteins without the use of vitamin supplements? we all know that meat's the greatest source for protein. just curious. :)link There you go... there are plenty of alternatives! |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 11:19 |
those 'fruitarians' are quite extreme lol!! Plants don't even have a nerve system and brain, so how can they feel pain? I never knew there was something like a fruitarian lol |
| deleted user 27.10.2007 11:29 |
I am a little of a vegetarian (I am trying, but have yet to succeed in giving up in chicken, turkey, or fish). Vegetarians, as far as I know, get proteins from nuts, which might be a healthier alternative for people with high cholesterol. It is rather difficult to go vegetarian, but I suppose, in the long run, it's a good way to build self-control, live a healthier lifestyle, and save lives of some animals. Also, another reason to go vegetarian: meat factories are the biggest contributors to global warming, if you believe in that hypothesis. On the other hand... I do not recommend going vegan unless you have a ton of weight to lose and you want to live off of iceberg lettuce and celery sticks. You can't eat anything with eggs, milk, or honey that way, which severely limits your diet. And the other thing on the other hand... Your going vegetarian is not going to severely impact meat sales, considering there is a great number of people who still buy and eat meat regularly. If your intent is to stop meat companies all together, there is very little a chance going vegetarian by yourself is going to do much of anything. Overall, being a "half-of-a-vegetarian," as I refer to myself as, I recommend it. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 27.10.2007 11:45 |
@ Sir GH Okay, let me put this straight. I like what I eat. I don't want to be a vegetarian. See? I've already made up my mind without any research. :-) |
| wstüssyb 27.10.2007 11:51 |
I been one for the last 3 months, due to high cholesterol. I don't think it is so hard, so many veggie products out there, some of that Morning star burgers taste like Micky D's. I lost about 27 pounds as well from being a vegetarian, I still eat fish, so I'm not a 100% veggie. If you love Pasta you'll be OK, as there is so many kinds of pasta, and veggis meatballs taste like the real kind, and you can get Boca's fake ground hamburger you'll never know the difference if you wanna make say tacos, or whatever. |
| Sergei. 27.10.2007 14:21 |
I hear Tim Curry "really loves" eating meat. *Ahem* ¬_¬ |
| Joeker 27.10.2007 14:28 |
Raststätte-Knödel wrote:who cares? Cancer, heart diseases, aids, mad cow disease? Whats the big deal?! Take a fucking chance once in a while, we all need to take more risks once in a while. I like a little cancer in my food and water, it keeps you strong when you build up immunities. When its your time to go, its your time to go..DeaconJohn. wrote:Vegetarians are at lower risk from heart diseases, cancer, for example. They have lower cholesterol levels in their blood etc. Eating a lot of meat isn't good for you (I'm not saying eating meat once in a while is bad, I don't know about that but it still is healthier not to eat meat, at least when you get all the nutrients you need)..there's a lot of cholesterol in it etc. you will get fat faster. link If you consider still eating meat, then eat organic meat. Those animals had at least somewhat better lives than the ones from factory farms.MR wrote: It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat.- Is this actually true? |
| Sergei. 27.10.2007 14:36 |
kingarthur wrote: When its your time to go, its your time to go.Any idea when your time will be? |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 14:54 |
kingarthur wrote:You're a bit like Freddie hmm :) he liked to take risks too lolRaststätte-Knödel wrote:who cares? Cancer, heart diseases, aids, mad cow disease? Whats the big deal?! Take a fucking chance once in a while, we all need to take more risks once in a while. I like a little cancer in my food and water, it keeps you strong when you build up immunities. When its your time to go, its your time to go..DeaconJohn. wrote:Vegetarians are at lower risk from heart diseases, cancer, for example. They have lower cholesterol levels in their blood etc. Eating a lot of meat isn't good for you (I'm not saying eating meat once in a while is bad, I don't know about that but it still is healthier not to eat meat, at least when you get all the nutrients you need)..there's a lot of cholesterol in it etc. you will get fat faster. link If you consider still eating meat, then eat organic meat. Those animals had at least somewhat better lives than the ones from factory farms.MR wrote: It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat.- Is this actually true? |
| .DeaconJohn. 27.10.2007 15:10 |
Raststätte-Knödel wrote:My point was that you seemed to be saying in your first post that meat was bad for you. I eat mostly chicken and fish, and also plenty of fruit and vegetables, and I don't think I would be any more healthy if I went on a vegetarian diet..DeaconJohn. wrote:Vegetarians are at lower risk from heart diseases, cancer, for example. They have lower cholesterol levels in their blood etc. Eating a lot of meat isn't good for you (I'm not saying eating meat once in a while is bad, I don't know about that but it still is healthier not to eat meat, at least when you get all the nutrients you need)..there's a lot of cholesterol in it etc. you will get fat faster. link If you consider still eating meat, then eat organic meat. Those animals had at least somewhat better lives than the ones from factory farms.MR wrote: It would be a great thing if you'd become a vegetarian, not only for the animals, but also for your health. It's much healthier than eating meat.- Is this actually true? |
| sparrow 21754 27.10.2007 15:31 |
fruits are actually plant ovaries :) YOU'RE EATING A TREE'S BABY!!! XD to answer the question, i was brought up by a hunter, and if a lion should eat meat, and an antelope eat a plant because oftheir teeth types, omnivores (people) have the choice to eat both. so why not? our teeth basically say we need certain foods, we need both, in moderation. however i was brought up never to take an animals body for granted. they once had a soul, a life, feeling and emotion. to never let a part of their body go to waste, and if you are hunting, one must kill the animal as quickly and cleanly as possible so that they feel no pain. i know it cannot be helped, i dont know how animals are processed, but i would like to think they are killed as painlessly possible. i cant become a vegetarian, i like meat too much, and i was brought up to know that i didnt get to the top of the food chain to let veggies control my life :) i enjoy both. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 15:47 |
I don't really have anything against eating meat, just the way the animals are treated nowadays to produce it. Native people also hunt animals, but they really need it to survive and use every part of it. The animal didn't have a bad life etc, so I don't have a problem with it. Eating other animals is natural I guess, but what we are doing today..put them into tiny cages and make them fat as fast as possible..that's just really wrong. Besides, there are people who eat just too much meat. I don't think that's healthy. If an animal had a good life and was killed 'humanely', I don't have much against it really. That just doesn't happen today. On one of the sites posted here, I read they aren't even stunned properly sometimes, so they are still fully councious when their throats are slit and are even skinned alive sometimes. That's just horrible. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 27.10.2007 16:25 |
Raststätte-Knödel wrote: On one of the sites posted here, I read they aren't even stunned properly sometimes, so they are still fully councious when their throats are slit and are even skinned alive sometimes. That's just horrible.And it happens more often than any of us realize. I commend you for being aware of this, many people either aren't aware or don't care. For those who do care, a note to senators or a check to organizations that call attention to the problem is a worthwhile venture. JMHO. |
| Raststätte-Knödel 27.10.2007 17:21 |
You're right. I think something like that should never happen! At least stun them properly so they won't feel anything. |
| Music Man 27.10.2007 17:59 |
Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website. Then again, I wouldn't ever actually become a vegetarian. |
| The Real Wizard 27.10.2007 18:40 |
<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: @ Sir GH Okay, let me put this straight. I like what I eat. I don't want to be a vegetarian. See? I've already made up my mind without any research. :-)An informed choice involves learning about the alternatives, and not simply doing what you have always been comfortable with. Ignoring the alternatives, especially in a case like this when when they are plainly listed out, is called ignorance. This definitely isn't a personal attack. Pretty much every meat-eater - myself included - is ignorant in this sense, because most of us have been exposed to the alternatives at one point or another. As for myself, my love of the taste of meat is still stronger than my desire to embrace animal rights to a point of altering my life in some way for their sake. Maybe one day that'll change. But in the meantime, does it make me somehow worse than those who haven't heard of the alternatives, because I'm this aware of the alternatives, and still haven't taken any steps yet? |
| The Real Wizard 27.10.2007 18:41 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this? |
| magicalfreddiemercury 27.10.2007 19:45 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Agreed, Sir GH.<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this? And I'd say the need for animal rights advocates to call attention to the situation they're trying to change, requires portraying the absolute worst of the worst to those who happen by. It grips the attention, and while some might simply turn away, there are a select few who will read on to learn what's happening - in worst-case scenarios. The website that I posted (I don't know about the one Jingles posted), touts a vegan lifestyle. I have donated to this organization for years, but I will never be a vegan. Logic wins out. I've no intention of marching to make meat-eaters criminals, but holding those guilty of animal abuse accountable is something I definitely support. The point is, if it gets people thinking and talking and perhaps demanding humane treatment of animals, then there's no harm no foul. Of course, for those in the business of torturing animals for the bottom line, the harm and foul falls on them. To freakin' bad if you ask me. |
| Music Man 27.10.2007 20:09 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Every day we hear stories in the media concerning the abuses of animal rights, in cases that are comparatively tame to what we see in such websites and videos. Such exposure and outcry is even extended to cases concerning the food we eat. For instance, foie gras is under constant scrutiny, to the point of legislation.<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: Well, if I were to actually become a vegetarian, I would probably base my decision on something other than an anti-meat propaganda website.If that's propaganda, then there really aren't any noble causes out there, are they? How can the issues of animal rights be brought to the public without "propagandic" websites like this? So how come we are not bombarded by the media on such issues that, if you visit any one of those websites, would certainly elicit outrage in even the most indifferent person? There are only two possible explanations: 1) The meat industry is highly secretive and well-coordinated. Meat factories are in well-secluded areas that are not accessible by the public. The videos depicting the abuse of animals were taken by well-trained spies, perhaps moles in the meat industry's firms. Although such abuse happens all the time, the meat industry pays off or threatens legislators and journalists to not address the situation, perhaps through gang or mafia affiliations. OR 2) The websites and videos we see are highly exaggerated, the situation is not nearly as bad as it is portrayed, and/or the presented situations are very rare or short-lived, or even outdated. Hence, propaganda. If anyone could get me to change my mind, I'm sure you can - but so far, the evidence seems weak, at best. |
| Carol! the Musical 27.10.2007 22:24 |
I went vegetarian in late May, and I'm not regretting my decision at all. I'm really happy about doing it, and I don't feel like a hypocrite anymore whenever I talk about animal rights... As for the "hardness" of it, I'll tell you that cutting meat from your diet is much easier than it's made out to be. There are plenty of soy products out there that taste just like the real thing, so there isn't an empty spot in your plate. I actually have to check sometimes and make sure it isn't real meat I'm eating... xD I think the MorningStar Farms products are the best ones. They practically have the veggie equivalent of every freaking single meat dish. :O Best of luck to you on your vegetarianism! :DDD |
| KillerQueen840 27.10.2007 22:55 |
I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;) |
| The Real Wizard 28.10.2007 00:36 |
<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote: I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you? |
| The prophet's song 28.10.2007 02:13 |
I couldn't go vegetatian. I do feel bad for the way the animals have been treated, chicken probably the worst, so neither me or my mum will buy chicken that isn't free range. Every other meat we get from my uncles farm or from my cousins hunting trips. Me going veggie would be like that scene in 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' when the aunty is like "You don't eat no meat?!? That's ok, I cook lamb" |
| Raststätte-Knödel 28.10.2007 04:02 |
My grandma too lol^ I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms. Brian May is a vegetarian too lol |
| The prophet's song 28.10.2007 04:11 |
Raststätte-Knödel wrote: My grandma too lol^ I thing you're doing a good thing by eating only free-range chicken meat and meat from your uncle's farm etc. It's so much better than buying meat from factory farms. Brian May is a vegetarian too lolThanks :) My theory is if it's going to end up on your plate then you have the right to know exactly how it got there. I do however have this really nice vegetarian recipie book, I made this lovley brown rice salad the other night |
| Music Man 28.10.2007 04:41 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Do you see what happens when you take exaggeration too seriously, Sir GH!?<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote: I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you? |
| The Real Wizard 28.10.2007 11:42 |
It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me! |
| Griffin 28.10.2007 11:45 |
Look for the Moosewood Restaurant (Ithaca, NY) cookbook. Good stuff! |
| Carol! the Musical 28.10.2007 12:38 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote:It doesn't seem like an exaggeration when I apply what he said into my own life. Because that's practically what my mom is doing to me everytime we have dinner, she disowns me. She literally starts soft with "Oh, Carol... If you ate meat again- just a tiny bit of it- I'd be the happiest mom in the world!" And when she sees I'm not giving in, she just goes into an angry speech about how influeceable I am and how I'm going to end up weak and die and that I'm becoming anorexic. And sometimes, she even tells me she can't wait 'til Paul McCartney is dead. Don't ask me why she brought him up to the conversation, I don't know it myself...Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Do you see what happens when you take exaggeration too seriously, Sir GH!?<font color=lime>KillerQueen840 wrote: I considered going vegetarian...until my parents threatened to disown me. ;)Does it bother you that your parents don't support your individual beliefs, to the point of considering disowning you? |
| The Real Wizard 28.10.2007 13:14 |
<font color=660066>Carol wrote: It doesn't seem like an exaggeration when I apply what he said into my own life. Because that's practically what my mom is doing to me everytime we have dinner, she disowns me. She literally starts soft with "Oh, Carol... If you ate meat again- just a tiny bit of it- I'd be the happiest mom in the world!" And when she sees I'm not giving in, she just goes into an angry speech about how influeceable I am and how I'm going to end up weak and die and that I'm becoming anorexic. And sometimes, she even tells me she can't wait 'til Paul McCartney is dead. Don't ask me why she brought him up to the conversation, I don't know it myself...All I can say is... I'm glad you're sticking to your principles. As much as it hurts that your mother isn't even trying to understand your point of view, you still can seek companionship with people who do know what you're all about. I hope you already have. |
| deleted user 28.10.2007 14:36 |
Im 15 & i've been veggie for over 3 years now. I was raised in a family that loves meat and eats it often, But the only meat i ever ate was chicken or turkey. I've never liked dairy products like cheese or butter or cream. I also dont eat fish/seafoods. Going veggie was easier for me cos i didn't eat much meat in the first place, but it was also harder cos alot of veggie dishes consist of dairy, especially cheese. But my parents understand and they subsitute the meat with more vegetables. Im also lucky because i have an aunt whose veggie and she helps me out. The hardest part of being a veggie is trying to find sweets that are vegetarian.. i cant eat most jelly sweets, marshmellows and some chewing gums. Can i ask any other vegetarians why they do it ? |
| Raststätte-Knödel 28.10.2007 15:27 |
Because of the animals :) I hat ethe fact I can't eat jelly sweets...I can't also eat normal cheese because there is 'Rennet' in it. That's some kind of enzym that comes from calf stomach...fortunately there is vegetarian cheese here! |
| Sergei. 28.10.2007 15:57 |
My Mum just tells me stuff like, "You refuse to eat the meat? Good, more for rest of us!", "You don't like milk, you say? Tell me how you like being hunchback when you get old!", and lots of other things of that variety. I don't suppose it's my fault that I don't like meat or milk, and that I'm just a bit disturbed when I actually think about what meat is. ¬_¬ |
| Carol! the Musical 28.10.2007 16:06 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Thank you very much for the support, Sir GH. :) I'm part of an online vegetarian community, but I'm yet to find anyone whom I am in contact with that is veggie... I know there must be someone, I just need to look harder!<font color=660066>Carol wrote: It doesn't seem like an exaggeration when I apply what he said into my own life. Because that's practically what my mom is doing to me everytime we have dinner, she disowns me. She literally starts soft with "Oh, Carol... If you ate meat again- just a tiny bit of it- I'd be the happiest mom in the world!" And when she sees I'm not giving in, she just goes into an angry speech about how influeceable I am and how I'm going to end up weak and die and that I'm becoming anorexic. And sometimes, she even tells me she can't wait 'til Paul McCartney is dead. Don't ask me why she brought him up to the conversation, I don't know it myself...All I can say is... I'm glad you're sticking to your principles. As much as it hurts that your mother isn't even trying to understand your point of view, you still can seek companionship with people who do know what you're all about. I hope you already have. Raststätte-Knödel wrote: Because of the animals :) I hat ethe fact I can't eat jelly sweets...I can't also eat normal cheese because there is 'Rennet' in it. That's some kind of enzym that comes from calf stomach...fortunately there is vegetarian cheese here!You mean animals are slaughtered just the same to produce cheese?! I didn't know about that practice or about jelly candies... Thanks lots for bringing that up ( Rockit, too ). But what is done to the sweets that in non-vegetarian? :O And to answer Rockit's question, I also do it for the animals. :) |
| Raststätte-Knödel 28.10.2007 16:43 |
I never knew it, until I once read 'vegetarian cheese' on some product...so that made me wonder. The calves aren't really slaughtered for it, the enzym is more of a byproduct of the veal industry. In sweets there's Gelatin, some kind of protein that comes from cooked skins and bones of pigs and cows I never knew about that either |
| sparrow 21754 28.10.2007 17:38 |
gov'm'nt cheese? |
| KillerQueen840 28.10.2007 18:44 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me!Sorry, it was indeed a slight exaggeration. I can see how you would take it otherwise, since the internet sucks when you can't hear the tone of a person's voice... I used to want to go vegetarian, my mum would get pissed because she'd think that I was trying to lose weight or just doing it because my cousin did. I try to eat pretty healthy so I get accused of skipping meals and not eating much from her sometimes, although that couldn't be more far from the truth. Just because I once used to be a super health freak, she automatically assumes I'm still like that, although times have since changed. I love soy products. Soy nuggets, bocca burgers, tofu...I seriously cannot get sick of those. However, I have also realized that I LOVE chicken. Especially my dad's spicy shredded Thai basil chicken. My mouth waters when I think of it. Maybe for kicks I'll try going vegetarian next year when I'm in college since my parents won't need to know. However, til then, I'm going to enjoy what food is around the house. |
| The Real Wizard 28.10.2007 23:18 |
<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: My Mum just tells me stuff like, "You refuse to eat the meat? Good, more for rest of us!", "You don't like milk, you say? Tell me how you like being hunchback when you get old!", and lots of other things of that variety. I don't suppose it's my fault that I don't like meat or milk, and that I'm just a bit disturbed when I actually think about what meat is. ¬_¬Ah, how ignorance is bliss. It's a fact that people who don't eat meat live longer, as long as they find alternative ways to get their nutrients. Proteins, as I posted above: link Calcium: link <font color=660066>Carol wrote: Thank you very much for the support, Sir GH. :) I'm part of an online vegetarian community, but I'm yet to find anyone whom I am in contact with that is veggie... I know there must be someone, I just need to look harder!Any time. :) As time goes on, you'll find more and more people who get you. They're out there! |
| Music Man 29.10.2007 02:46 |
I think a big reason why people who don't eat meat tend to live longer is that they must thoroughly research the nutritional value of foods, due to the irregularity of the diet. They also tend to build up a decent level of self-control due to the dietary parameters they set for themselves. Another thing to note is the vastness of healthy choices for vegetarians vs. the vastness of unhealthy choices for non-vegetarians. These behavioral characteristics in vegetarians are obviously a good thing, but I'm only pointing out that a person who regularly eats meat would probably fare just as well if he were to set such dietary measures. Basically, what I'm trying to say, is that vegetarianism isn't intrinsically healthier than non-vegetarianism. Either way, if you are approximately the size of a twig, that is a strong message that you are probably not receiving adequate nutrition, and you should seek to remedy that - through your own dietary parameters, of course. |
| Mr.Jingles 29.10.2007 08:17 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me!Don't take seriously posts that end with a ;-) or a ;) |
| Mr.Jingles 29.10.2007 08:56 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: 2) The websites and videos we see are highly exaggerated, the situation is not nearly as bad as it is portrayed, and/or the presented situations are very rare or short-lived, or even outdated. Hence, propaganda.Images and videos don't lie, and this one is without a doubt part of a process that happens on a day to day basis. When it comes to promoting animal rights, that could not be considered propaganda. However, when it comes to pushing people to become vegetarians by making them watch one of these videos, that could be considered propaganda. Let's face it, the whole human race has been omnivore since the beginning of time, and no matter what Peta or any other organizations do to convince people to turn vegetarian, the majority of us won't go veg. I do believe that at least there should be some tougher enforcement on laws protecting animals against cruelty. If we are going to use animals for our own consumption, at least we should be concerned about giving them better treatment, and not make them suffer so much in the process before being slaughtered. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 29.10.2007 12:04 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: If we are going to use animals for our own consumption, at least we should be concerned about giving them better treatment, and not make them suffer so much in the process before being slaughtered.I'm in absolute agreement. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be, but, sadly, there are many. |
| sparrow 21754 29.10.2007 15:55 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote:i agree.Mr.Jingles wrote: If we are going to use animals for our own consumption, at least we should be concerned about giving them better treatment, and not make them suffer so much in the process before being slaughtered.I'm in absolute agreement. Can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be, but, sadly, there are many. someone might say 'killing animals is evil/wrong, etc' but its all in the fashion of how. as i said, animals should not be taken for granted, since they were living breathing emotional beings, however, we have been eating them for survival thruout time, and animals do know their place in the wild (predator or prey). animals should never suffer, just as humans shouldnt, but if we must consume, i feel there should never be pain involved. as i said, when one hunts an animal, the idea is to kill it cleanly and painlessly as possible, and use all parts of its body. (somebody would, perhaps another animal, use unwanted parts if things like organs are left out, so it tends to work no matter what). people can try to convince others not to eat animals, but in the end, its all choice, and in the meantime, treat your fellow man, and creature with respect, by allowing that choice, and hopefully the lives of animals will not be treated so barbarically if all these horrible pain inflictions are occurring. i hear about people clubbing baby seals for their fur....whats the point? their fur is beautiful, yes, but that would be like someone scalping you for your hair, because your hair might be nicer than theirs. its just not right, its selfish, its painful and wrong, and its a defenseless baby animal. they need their fur more than you ever will, and for an accessory? they make nice synthetics you know... and its someones baby!!!!! (baby animals should be given the right to live, IMO, no questions asked). point is, animals, like humans, should never suffer like that. before i go on tangents and contradict myself ill just stop now :) |
| greaserkat 29.10.2007 17:22 |
Thats why I eat kosher meat, i think thats how you spell kosher. The leanest park of the animal with minimal fat and the animal is killed that prevents the least amount of cruelty |
| josedequeso 29.10.2007 18:24 |
I've been a vegetarian since I was 14, I remember when I "came out" to my parents they shocked and appalled, but they eventually grew to accept it. And in all honesty going vegetarian was one of the easiest things I've ever done. I’ve given up much harder things. After a while you no longer think of animals as food and I've completely forgotten what meat tastes like, and I have no inclination to try and remember. Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them. |
| The Real Wizard 29.10.2007 23:53 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Damn, I've been told...! ;)Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It didn't seem like an exaggeration to me!Don't take seriously posts that end with a ;-) or a ;) |
| Mr.Jingles 30.10.2007 07:15 |
josedequeso wrote: I've been a vegetarian since I was 14, I remember when I "came out" to my parents they shocked and appalled, but they eventually grew to accept it. And in all honesty going vegetarian was one of the easiest things I've ever done. I’ve given up much harder things. After a while you no longer think of animals as food and I've completely forgotten what meat tastes like, and I have no inclination to try and remember. Not to bring a religious aspect into this discussion, but I believe that religion has had a profound impact on dietary habits of people, i.e. jews and kosher. And even more so if I remember correctly the catholic church charged Leonardo Da Vinci with being a heretic because he was a vegetarian, citing that god gave us dominion over the animals and it is serving god to eat them.I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs. I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 30.10.2007 08:46 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I don't understand what's the big deal with criticizing people who go vegetarian. It's your own fuckin' body, and people make a fuss over it as if going vegetarian was like doing drugs. I know there's an issue with missing essential vitamins and minerals found in meat, but there's always vitamin supplements for that.This isn't always an issue because (if followed properly) a vegetarian diet includes more vegetables, grains, nuts and soy products than non-vegetarian diets. The only thing they're really missing is the fat found in meat. And many vegetarians weren't true meat-eaters anyway, meaning it wasn't meat and potatoes for them every night. So, there isn't a drastic change in their diets when they stop eating it. Others have to be more careful. As for the deal with people criticizing those who go vegetarian, personally, I think it's simply due to ignorance. More people would rather criticize someone for not doing what they consider 'normal' than ask questions about it and risk showing there's something for them to learn. Or, they feel you're insulting them by wanting to do something so different than what they do. This isn't only restricted to vegetarianism. When I mentioned homeschooling to people (which I've been doing for/with my daughter for a second year now) people immediately defended their school and school district as if by pulling my child out, I was insulting them for keeping their kids in. So, IMHO, it's either ignorance or a defense mechanism that causes people to insult someone who chooses to do something new. Imagine Archie Bunker if "Meathead" suddenly became vegan. It's extreme of course, but I think of that often when people respond negatively. But seriously, if you're thinking about this, try not to let questions from others concern you. The more you look into it, and the longer you try it - if that's what you choose to do - the easier it will be to answer those questions and 'defend' your choice. Again, like me with homeschooling. There were tons of vital questions people asked that I couldn't answer at first. Once I was able to answer them with confidence, I knew I'd made the right decision for myself and my child. Only you know what's right for you. Don't let the attitude of others make you doubt that. Sorry I went on so long here. Must have made extra stong coffee this AM. |
| Raf 01.11.2007 04:22 |
If people wanna go vegetarian, fine. But I can't stop eating meat and I can't stand vegetarian people who try to convince me to become vegetarian. Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others. And I agree fully with MusicMan's post... I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported. |
| The Real Wizard 01.11.2007 11:52 |
<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: But I can't stop eating meat and I can't stand vegetarian people who try to convince me to become vegetarian.It's called free speech. People should be allowed to present others with alternatives to views commonly accepted by society, within reasonable limits, of course. Humans aren't "special" creatures, they're just animals, and they have their needs. Some animals eat others.We aren't special per se, but we are the only creatures capable of enough critical thought to the point of realizing that there are moral issues when it comes to eating animals. I dunno about other countries, but here in Brazil the government controls the meat. To make sure we aren't eating meat with any kind of disease. And there are laws about animal rights here. So, if we only buy "legal" meat, that has been checked by the government, we're definitely not supporting violence against animals, because if the government agents had seen any kind of torture against animals, the farm would've been reported.That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail? |
| Raf 01.11.2007 12:51 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: That's definitely a great step. Can you direct us to a website that describes the laws in detail?I can try to look for one, but I doubt there's any "special" law, anything that doesn't exist in the USA, Canada, European countries in general... All I know is that you can actually be arrested for violence against animals here, and also that the government tries to control all the meat we eat, to prevent people from selling meat that could actually cause us harm (such as meat from sick animals). As we have laws about violence against animals, the farms that the government check out would have legal issues if they treated their animals poorly, considering agents go there regulary. |
| The Real Wizard 01.11.2007 15:15 |
Interesting. Cheers for the info. I'm no expert on Canada's/USA's policies on meat though, so I can't tell you if they're any better or worse here. Out of suspicion, I'll go with worse. |
| john bodega 02.11.2007 04:39 |
I e-mailed PETA with my concerns that if the world went vegan or vegetarian tomorrow, that millions upon millions of livestock animals would have to be put to death because it would be completely uneconomical to keep them all alive. Their response? A simple link to a site with an FAQ on the matter, which boiled down to 'we'll let them die out slowly'. These barbarians at PETA not only want to see the agricultural workforce bled completely dry, but they're resigned to the death of the animals already! They just don't want us putting their flesh to good use..... they think that if it happens 'gradually', it'll be more palatable. Out of sight, out of mind, eh PETA? What a bunch of hypocrites. |
| MarkieKnopflie 04.11.2007 14:13 |
what a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE video,the part where they throw the chickens in the boxes it's so sad :'( I'm a vegetarion too, for about three quarter year now, and it's not that hard, but if you dont like the meat replacers, it's getting hard. Chicken wings are really nice, but it's not like i can't resist it, i can resist it very well. After a while you don't even miss the meat, as long as you don't smell it. In some countries it's hard too choose something vegatarian because not al countries have lots of vegetarian products. When i saw the animals on tv, how they were treated, i decided to become a vegetarian. I hate people who say like: It's so sad for those cats being eaten in china, but when you ask them if they think its sad for chickens, cows too, they say no, they're just stupid cows, who cares? I think you should become vegatarian or at least eat vegetarian a few times per week. |
| Nevermind 04.11.2007 14:56 |
I went veggie for a year but xmas was too much of a temptation and I started eating meat again. Make sure you replace you're meat with Quorn or summit like that otherwise your body will suffer. |