Treasure Moment 21.10.2007 18:39 |
FACT, show your appreciation to the God of music, fake fans stay outside. |
Freya is quietly judging you. 21.10.2007 18:41 |
I'm a fake fan. |
deleted user 21.10.2007 18:43 |
I can feel the heat of the flames coming... Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic. |
Treasure Moment 21.10.2007 18:46 |
<b><font color=007788>?Freya? wrote: I'm a fake fan.yes you are, get out |
Treasure Moment 21.10.2007 18:46 |
<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: I can feel the heat of the flames coming... Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.religion= Evil on earth and for stupid weak people with no brain, also a FACT |
Freya is quietly judging you. 21.10.2007 19:41 |
Treasure Moment wrote:No.<b><font color=007788>?Freya? wrote: I'm a fake fan.yes you are, get out |
deleted user 21.10.2007 20:29 |
Treasure Moment wrote:YOUR FACE IS A FACT.<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: I can feel the heat of the flames coming... Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.religion= Evil on earth and for stupid weak people with no brain, also a FACT |
juanm1921 21.10.2007 21:56 |
Do you really believe what you say or are you just stupid? I'd appreciate if you could define what a true and a fake fan are. And even though I'm not religious, religion is not necessarily for weak people, some truly believe and that's great. Haven't you wondered if you are as weak as they are for being such a "true" Queen fan. I mean you said Freddie is God, so I can't see the difference with religion. |
steven 35638 21.10.2007 22:03 |
Ignore him people. Nothing to see here. Move along. |
masterstroke_84 21.10.2007 23:27 |
No... you´re wrong. Brian is GOD. |
QueenMercury46 22.10.2007 00:47 |
Didn't we learn the difference between fact and opinion somewhere around first grade? |
QueenMercury46 22.10.2007 00:56 |
Treasure Moment wrote:You probably made a lot of people angry, including me, by posting that ridiculously ignorant comment. You have no right to critisize other peoples' religious preferences with your absolutely non-sensical opinions and call them facts as if everything that comes out of your mouth is a fact. Now for God's sake why don't you just fuck off.<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: I can feel the heat of the flames coming... Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.religion= Evil on earth and for stupid weak people with no brain, also a FACT Also, it doesn't seem like you're very Atheist when you refer to Freddie as God so often. Why don't you just go create your own religion worshiping him and stop filling internet forums with your ignorant "facts" about other religions. |
Wiley 22.10.2007 01:18 |
You are a F.A.C.T., a Fucking Asshole Called TreasureMoment. Cheers! :) |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 05:43 |
QueenMercury46 wrote:its not an ignorant comment at all, religion in FACT is very evil and for the most stupid people on earth. People who have no brain and believe in nonsense books written by man. They just arent smart enough to figure out that all these "holy" books are shit, pure lies to control the stupid weak minded idiot sheep. I have no respect for people who believe in religion if even if i try, they are just too stupid to believe that garbage.Treasure Moment wrote:You probably made a lot of people angry, including me, by posting that ridiculously ignorant comment. You have no right to critisize other peoples' religious preferences with your absolutely non-sensical opinions and call them facts as if everything that comes out of your mouth is a fact. Now for God's sake why don't you just fuck off. Also, it doesn't seem like you're very Atheist when you refer to Freddie as God so often. Why don't you just go create your own religion worshiping him and stop filling internet forums with your ignorant "facts" about other religions.<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: I can feel the heat of the flames coming... Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.religion= Evil on earth and for stupid weak people with no brain, also a FACT |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 05:55 |
juanm1921 wrote: Do you really believe what you say or are you just stupid? I'd appreciate if you could define what a true and a fake fan are. And even though I'm not religious, religion is not necessarily for weak people, some truly believe and that's great. Haven't you wondered if you are as weak as they are for being such a "true" Queen fan. I mean you said Freddie is God, so I can't see the difference with religion.difference is huge coz freddie doesnt have "holy" rules you must follow or any stupid things like that, i call him god just because he was incredibly awesome human being, much better than any jesus could ever be. you cant say religion is a good thing, its not. Its the most evil thing on earth. It traps stupid idiot people in mind prisons and makes them sheep who arent free to do what they want. I know they are free to choose religion but they are so stupid so they dont know better. a real queen fan knows what im talking about when it comes to freddie and agrees. |
The Fairy King 22.10.2007 06:09 |
Wiley wrote: You are a F.A.C.T., a Fucking Asshole Called TreasureMoment. Cheers! :) |
Nathan 22.10.2007 07:00 |
I beg to differ. Led Zeppelin takes the crown of Gods of Music. |
Sweetie 22.10.2007 07:39 |
<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
john bodega 22.10.2007 07:43 |
Freddie got fucked in the arse and died. It happens. Move along, Treasure Moment. |
pittrek 22.10.2007 07:53 |
Treasure Moment wrote: FACT, show your appreciation to the God of music, fake fans stay outside.Oh shit. You forgot to take your pills again ? |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 08:14 |
<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:moses was a story book character, nothing more and if you believe in religion then you arent so smart are you?<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 08:15 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Freddie got fucked in the arse and died. It happens. Move along, Treasure Moment.what does that have to do with anything? |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 08:16 |
pittrek wrote:yeah i forgot to borrow some pills from youTreasure Moment wrote: FACT, show your appreciation to the God of music, fake fans stay outside.Oh shit. You forgot to take your pills again ? |
john bodega 22.10.2007 09:16 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I don't know, but the fact that you're treating his death like the Holocaust might have something to do with it.Zebonka12 wrote: Freddie got fucked in the arse and died. It happens. Move along, Treasure Moment.what does that have to do with anything? |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 09:18 |
Zebonka12 wrote:his death was the biggest loss in the history of mankind since he was the best human to ever liveTreasure Moment wrote:I don't know, but the fact that you're treating his death like the Holocaust might have something to do with it.Zebonka12 wrote: Freddie got fucked in the arse and died. It happens. Move along, Treasure Moment.what does that have to do with anything? |
thomasquinn 32989 22.10.2007 09:30 |
TM, you are religion's greatest ally. By making such a fool of yourself whilst oozing anti-religious remarks, you are giving everyone sane enough to question organized religion in a sensible way a bad name. Faith is a good thing, religion is not. As for my main beef with Christianity: 1) You claim to understand the Old Testament, yet very few of you can read Hebrew. Every single LETTER in classical Hebrew has three meanings at the same time, which cannot be separated from one another: a) it is a letter b) it is a number c) it is a word. A word constructed of several letters combines these three meanings for each letter with the three meanings of every other letter. Then, a similar process takes place on the scale of a sentence. It is untranslateable, and the meaning of the text in translation has very little to do with the original. 2) You try to interpret the New Testament (written in the language of the first century AD to an audience of the first century AD) with a modern mind-set. That is impossible. The way people thought, structured their world, their ethics, their symbolis, their ideas and their knowledge were completely different from ours. It is impossible to understand the New Testament without spending years on professional historical research, acquainting yourself with the way people thought back then. 3) Religion in general: religion gives ready-made answers to questions, while it is the questions themselves, and thinking about them, that is important in giving meaning to a life. Organized religion impedes individual thought. |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 09:46 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: TM, you are religion's greatest ally. By making such a fool of yourself whilst oozing anti-religious remarks, you are giving everyone sane enough to question organized religion in a sensible way a bad name. Faith is a good thing, religion is not. As for my main beef with Christianity: 1) You claim to understand the Old Testament, yet very few of you can read Hebrew. Every single LETTER in classical Hebrew has three meanings at the same time, which cannot be separated from one another: a) it is a letter b) it is a number c) it is a word. A word constructed of several letters combines these three meanings for each letter with the three meanings of every other letter. Then, a similar process takes place on the scale of a sentence. It is untranslateable, and the meaning of the text in translation has very little to do with the original. 2) You try to interpret the New Testament (written in the language of the first century AD to an audience of the first century AD) with a modern mind-set. That is impossible. The way people thought, structured their world, their ethics, their symbolis, their ideas and their knowledge were completely different from ours. It is impossible to understand the New Testament without spending years on professional historical research, acquainting yourself with the way people thought back then. 3) Religion in general: religion gives ready-made answers to questions, while it is the questions themselves, and thinking about them, that is important in giving meaning to a life. Organized religion impedes individual thought.im just saying whats on my mind, i dont care to adjust what i think so that others may accept it better, i just say exactly what i think. |
Wiley 22.10.2007 10:42 |
Treasure Moment wrote: im just saying whats on my mind, i dont care to adjust what i think so that others may accept it better, i just say exactly what i think.Yes, we have noticed this already. The problem when you don't filter that information somewhere between your mind and your mouth (or fingertips) is that people will have trouble understanding you or you may come out as a complete asshole. Also, regardless of how you filter that information, if we adhere to the basic systems' law: Shit IN = Shit OUT |
MercuryArts 22.10.2007 10:43 |
im just saying whats on my mind, i dont care to adjust what i think so that others may accept it better, i just say exactly what i think.
Sooner or later that will get you into all sorts of trouble. Also, saying people are stupid for wanting to believe is arrogant & insulting. My grandmother is 87 years old & very religious. She goes to catholic mass several times a week because she wants to. Now are you telling me my grandmother is stupid? I sincerely hope not. Even though I no longer attend church I don't go around telling people they are stupid for doing so. I respect their choices. Just as I expect people to respect my choices. Based on the way you are just ripping people because they have a different belief than you shows that the word respect is one more thing don't believe in. |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 11:07 |
MercuryArts wrote: im just saying whats on my mind, i dont care to adjust what i think so that others may accept it better, i just say exactly what i think.Sooner or later that will get you into all sorts of trouble. Also, saying people are stupid for wanting to believe is arrogant & insulting. My grandmother is 87 years old & very religious. She goes to catholic mass several times a week because she wants to. Now are you telling me my grandmother is stupid? I sincerely hope not. Even though I no longer attend church I don't go around telling people they are stupid for doing so. I respect their choices. Just as I expect people to respect my choices. Based on the way you are just ripping people because they have a different belief than you shows that the word respect is one more thing don't believe in. well yeah i think your grandmother is stupid, not saying that to insult, just the way it is if she believes in a story book, its just reality. My mom believes in religion too and she is also stupid, im just stating facts |
juan1921 22.10.2007 12:34 |
juanm1921 wrote: Do you really believe what you say or are you just stupid? I'd appreciate if you could define what a true and a fake fan are. And even though I'm not religious, religion is not necessarily for weak people, some truly believe and that's great. Haven't you wondered if you are as weak as they are for being such a "true" Queen fan. I mean you said Freddie is God, so I can't see the difference with religion. difference is huge coz freddie doesnt have "holy" rules you must follow or any stupid things like that, i call him god just because he was incredibly awesome human being, much better than any jesus could ever be. you cant say religion is a good thing, its not. Its the most evil thing on earth. It traps stupid idiot people in mind prisons and makes them sheep who arent free to do what they want. I know they are free to choose religion but they are so stupid so they dont know better. a real queen fan knows what im talking about when it comes to freddie and agrees. Shall I answer this? BTW, I believe Freddie would've preferred to be Rock Godess |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2007 13:37 |
Wiley wrote: You are a F.A.C.T., a Fucking Asshole Called TreasureMoment. Cheers! :)Hahaha... brilliant... I LOVE it !!!!!! Treasure Moment wrote: his death was the biggest loss in the history of mankind since he was the best human to ever liveThis comment alone should be sufficient reason for NOBODY to ever reply to this person. He is either among the most deranged people in the history of humanity, or... a troll. |
Wiley 22.10.2007 13:42 |
Treasure Moment wrote: My mom believes in religion too and she is also stupid, im just stating factsPriceless. On a related note, it appears stupidity is inherited from the mother's side. This might well be the proof of that. |
Micrówave 22.10.2007 14:14 |
Treasure Moment wrote: My mom believes in religion too and she is also stupid, im just stating factsYou heard her shouting "Oh, God!!!" again? She may be stupid, but she is a PARTY!!!! I think I still have her underwear, should I send it back? The dry cleaner refused to take it. |
Ms. Rebel 22.10.2007 14:25 |
Yes he is. |
BigSpender__ 22.10.2007 15:17 |
Jag vet vart du bor. |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 16:00 |
BigSpender__ wrote: Jag vet vart du bor.och? |
Treasure Moment 22.10.2007 16:34 |
Wiley wrote:by also stupid i meant stupid as his grandmotherTreasure Moment wrote: My mom believes in religion too and she is also stupid, im just stating factsPriceless. On a related note, it appears stupidity is inherited from the mother's side. This might well be the proof of that. |
sparrow 21754 22.10.2007 16:40 |
hahahahahaha ahh... here we go again. |
Nathan 22.10.2007 18:05 |
I shall Treasure this Moment in QZ history forever. |
QueenMercury46 22.10.2007 21:50 |
Treasure Moment wrote:That has to be the lamest comeback you've ever formulated.pittrek wrote:yeah i forgot to borrow some pills from youTreasure Moment wrote: FACT, show your appreciation to the God of music, fake fans stay outside.Oh shit. You forgot to take your pills again ? |
Dusta 22.10.2007 22:20 |
I don't believe in god, or, any supernatural supreme being. I'm told I haven't since I was four, though, I was raised Catholic. My father, on the other hand, was a very religious man, and, someone I now know to be of reasonable intellect. Growing up, however, I actually regarded anyone who believed in god, or, a supreme being as less than intelligent. My dad was an engineer, with a master's degree in mathematics. No way in hell *I* could ever, in a million years, get such a degree. Yet, I always felt I was in posession of an intellect superior to that of my father. I cringe with embarassment at my assumptions. I really do. When my dad died, he died KNOWING that he was going to a better place. I knew no such thing, thus making his death much harder on myself than on him. The one bit of comfort I received, following my dads death, was in knowing that HE believed. I never did believe. I have also discovered that the medical profession is swimming with Jesus freaks and godly folk. Now, as far as I can tell, one has to have at least an above average intellect to make it through med school. Since I have been in the field for a good many years(I am NOT an doctor), I think I am qualified to make this assessment. So, Mr Treasure Moment(and, I do not dislike you--I actually admire your courage and loyalty) you might want to consider these possibilities before passing judgement on those who believe in god. And, there are those who have suffered tremendous loss and tragedy, and, move forward with a fair amount of joy, despite their tragedies, because of this belief in god. I have, in my old age, learned to respect, and, even, to envy some of those with such faith, despite my own lack of faith, and, distaste for religion's role in history. |
Sweetie 23.10.2007 03:58 |
Treasure Moment wrote:At the moment I'm betting that I'm quite a lot smarter than you. =]<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:moses was a story book character, nothing more and if you believe in religion then you arent so smart are you?<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
Treasure Moment 23.10.2007 05:54 |
<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:well im sorry, you are wrong about thatTreasure Moment wrote:At the moment I'm betting that I'm quite a lot smarter than you. =]<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:moses was a story book character, nothing more and if you believe in religion then you arent so smart are you?<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
Treasure Moment 23.10.2007 06:04 |
Dusta wrote: I don't believe in god, or, any supernatural supreme being. I'm told I haven't since I was four, though, I was raised Catholic. My father, on the other hand, was a very religious man, and, someone I now know to be of reasonable intellect. Growing up, however, I actually regarded anyone who believed in god, or, a supreme being as less than intelligent. My dad was an engineer, with a master's degree in mathematics. No way in hell *I* could ever, in a million years, get such a degree. Yet, I always felt I was in posession of an intellect superior to that of my father. I cringe with embarassment at my assumptions. I really do. When my dad died, he died KNOWING that he was going to a better place. I knew no such thing, thus making his death much harder on myself than on him. The one bit of comfort I received, following my dads death, was in knowing that HE believed. I never did believe. I have also discovered that the medical profession is swimming with Jesus freaks and godly folk. Now, as far as I can tell, one has to have at least an above average intellect to make it through med school. Since I have been in the field for a good many years(I am NOT an doctor), I think I am qualified to make this assessment. So, Mr Treasure Moment(and, I do not dislike you--I actually admire your courage and loyalty) you might want to consider these possibilities before passing judgement on those who believe in god. And, there are those who have suffered tremendous loss and tragedy, and, move forward with a fair amount of joy, despite their tragedies, because of this belief in god. I have, in my old age, learned to respect, and, even, to envy some of those with such faith, despite my own lack of faith, and, distaste for religion's role in history.I understand but you see, to become a doctor or engineer doesnt have much to do with intellect, its how interested you are in that subject and how much time you put into it to learn what others have come up with before you. Its just a learning process, taking in information, you dont create anything yourself with your own mind, just taking in information. Like info from one harddrive to another, meaning you yourself havent done anything at all. I too sometimes envy those who believe in religion and think to myself.."if i only were that stupid i wouldnt worry about afterlife either" religion separates people and creates wars and puts people in mind prisons and gives them false hope about afterlife while taking away their freedoms in this life. If someone is smart enough to figure out that religion is just lies then good for them but if not they deserve the mind prison that they are putting themselves into but then again they seem to enjoy that prison and it also gives them comfort for the afterlife. |
Matias Merçeauroix 23.10.2007 15:35 |
Treasure anus your mum blows God |
juan1921 23.10.2007 15:44 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I see your problem, you can't diffeerenciate between religion as an institution and religion as a belief. I agree that the institution has made nothing but awful things along the years. Nontheless, a person who believes is not someone that lacks a critic mind. I know plenty of people who believe in God, some brighter than others. However, many of them take religion with a critic approach, as I may do with law or language. after all they are just human agreements. So, I think we should stop dealing in absolutes and consider the possibility that things are not only one way, and religion may take as many forms as people who believe in it. So, we should probably end this discussion saying that there are better and worse humans, but not only because of religion but as an overall thing, and we are not entitled to judge in such absolute terms.Dusta wrote: I don't believe in god, or, any supernatural supreme being. I'm told I haven't since I was four, though, I was raised Catholic. My father, on the other hand, was a very religious man, and, someone I now know to be of reasonable intellect. Growing up, however, I actually regarded anyone who believed in god, or, a supreme being as less than intelligent. My dad was an engineer, with a master's degree in mathematics. No way in hell *I* could ever, in a million years, get such a degree. Yet, I always felt I was in posession of an intellect superior to that of my father. I cringe with embarassment at my assumptions. I really do. When my dad died, he died KNOWING that he was going to a better place. I knew no such thing, thus making his death much harder on myself than on him. The one bit of comfort I received, following my dads death, was in knowing that HE believed. I never did believe. I have also discovered that the medical profession is swimming with Jesus freaks and godly folk. Now, as far as I can tell, one has to have at least an above average intellect to make it through med school. Since I have been in the field for a good many years(I am NOT an doctor), I think I am qualified to make this assessment. So, Mr Treasure Moment(and, I do not dislike you--I actually admire your courage and loyalty) you might want to consider these possibilities before passing judgement on those who believe in god. And, there are those who have suffered tremendous loss and tragedy, and, move forward with a fair amount of joy, despite their tragedies, because of this belief in god. I have, in my old age, learned to respect, and, even, to envy some of those with such faith, despite my own lack of faith, and, distaste for religion's role in history.I understand but you see, to become a doctor or engineer doesnt have much to do with intellect, its how interested you are in that subject and how much time you put into it to learn what others have come up with before you. Its just a learning process, taking in information, you dont create anything yourself with your own mind, just taking in information. Like info from one harddrive to another, meaning you yourself havent done anything at all. I too sometimes envy those who believe in religion and think to myself.."if i only were that stupid i wouldnt worry about afterlife either" religion separates people and creates wars and puts people in mind prisons and gives them false hope about afterlife while taking away their freedoms in this life. If someone is smart enough to figure out that religion is just lies then good for them but if not they deserve the mind prison that they are putting themselves into but then again they seem to enjoy that prison and it also gives them comfort for the afterlife. Regards |
Treasure Moment 23.10.2007 16:22 |
<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Treasure anus your mum blows Godand your mum blows the entire male population on earth, now shut up you baboon |
Treasure Moment 23.10.2007 16:33 |
juan1921 wrote:im just against organized religion with their "holy" laws. No one knows anything about this existence so they shouldnt pretend they know,Treasure Moment wrote:I see your problem, you can't diffeerenciate between religion as an institution and religion as a belief. I agree that the institution has made nothing but awful things along the years. Nontheless, a person who believes is not someone that lacks a critic mind. I know plenty of people who believe in God, some brighter than others. However, many of them take religion with a critic approach, as I may do with law or language. after all they are just human agreements. So, I think we should stop dealing in absolutes and consider the possibility that things are not only one way, and religion may take as many forms as people who believe in it. So, we should probably end this discussion saying that there are better and worse humans, but not only because of religion but as an overall thing, and we are not entitled to judge in such absolute terms. RegardsDusta wrote: I don't believe in god, or, any supernatural supreme being. I'm told I haven't since I was four, though, I was raised Catholic. My father, on the other hand, was a very religious man, and, someone I now know to be of reasonable intellect. Growing up, however, I actually regarded anyone who believed in god, or, a supreme being as less than intelligent. My dad was an engineer, with a master's degree in mathematics. No way in hell *I* could ever, in a million years, get such a degree. Yet, I always felt I was in posession of an intellect superior to that of my father. I cringe with embarassment at my assumptions. I really do. When my dad died, he died KNOWING that he was going to a better place. I knew no such thing, thus making his death much harder on myself than on him. The one bit of comfort I received, following my dads death, was in knowing that HE believed. I never did believe. I have also discovered that the medical profession is swimming with Jesus freaks and godly folk. Now, as far as I can tell, one has to have at least an above average intellect to make it through med school. Since I have been in the field for a good many years(I am NOT an doctor), I think I am qualified to make this assessment. So, Mr Treasure Moment(and, I do not dislike you--I actually admire your courage and loyalty) you might want to consider these possibilities before passing judgement on those who believe in god. And, there are those who have suffered tremendous loss and tragedy, and, move forward with a fair amount of joy, despite their tragedies, because of this belief in god. I have, in my old age, learned to respect, and, even, to envy some of those with such faith, despite my own lack of faith, and, distaste for religion's role in history.I understand but you see, to become a doctor or engineer doesnt have much to do with intellect, its how interested you are in that subject and how much time you put into it to learn what others have come up with before you. Its just a learning process, taking in information, you dont create anything yourself with your own mind, just taking in information. Like info from one harddrive to another, meaning you yourself havent done anything at all. I too sometimes envy those who believe in religion and think to myself.."if i only were that stupid i wouldnt worry about afterlife either" religion separates people and creates wars and puts people in mind prisons and gives them false hope about afterlife while taking away their freedoms in this life. If someone is smart enough to figure out that religion is just lies then good for them but if not they deserve the mind prison that they are putting themselves into but then again they seem to enjoy that prison and it also gives them comfort for the afterlife. |
Matias Merçeauroix 23.10.2007 16:46 |
Treasure Moment wrote:your mum blows God<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Treasure anus your mum blows Godand your mum blows the entire male population on earth, now shut up you baboon |
Treasure Moment 23.10.2007 17:12 |
<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:shut up you low being, im not going to waste time responding to you anymoreTreasure Moment wrote:your mum blows God<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote: Treasure anus your mum blows Godand your mum blows the entire male population on earth, now shut up you baboon |
Matias Merçeauroix 23.10.2007 18:31 |
YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD YOUR MUM BLOWS GOD =D |
Sweetie 23.10.2007 19:08 |
Treasure Moment wrote:I think you're just jealous that a fourteen year old is both a better musician than you and is smarter than you. =)<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:well im sorry, you are wrong about thatTreasure Moment wrote:At the moment I'm betting that I'm quite a lot smarter than you. =]<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:moses was a story book character, nothing more and if you believe in religion then you arent so smart are you?<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
Dusta 23.10.2007 19:35 |
Who is fourteen?
<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:Treasure Moment wrote:I think you're just jealous that a fourteen year old is both a better musician than you and is smarter than you. =)<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:well im sorry, you are wrong about thatTreasure Moment wrote:At the moment I'm betting that I'm quite a lot smarter than you. =]<Font color=Puce>Smudge<h6>Your Mascara? wrote:moses was a story book character, nothing more and if you believe in religion then you arent so smart are you?<font color=chartreuse>Thirtynine? wrote: Oh, and sorry, I'm Catholic.Yeah, I'm Christian... and besides, we all know that Moses was the god of music. |
Killer_Whale 24.10.2007 07:46 |
I adore Freddie, but I'm in a shock from this statement:
Treasure Moment wrote:...he was incredibly awesome human being, much better than any jesus could ever be. you cant say religion is a good thing, its not. Its the most evil thing on earth. It traps stupid idiot people in mind prisons and makes them sheep who arent free to do what they want. I know they are free to choose religion but they are so stupid so they dont know better. a real queen fan knows what im talking about when it comes to freddie and agrees. |
Treasure Moment 24.10.2007 14:23 |
Killer_Whale wrote: I adore Freddie, but I'm in a shock from this statement:Treasure Moment wrote:why shocked? its the truth, freddie is billion times better and more important than any jesus could ever dream to be....he was incredibly awesome human being, much better than any jesus could ever be. you cant say religion is a good thing, its not. Its the most evil thing on earth. It traps stupid idiot people in mind prisons and makes them sheep who arent free to do what they want. I know they are free to choose religion but they are so stupid so they dont know better. a real queen fan knows what im talking about when it comes to freddie and agrees. |
LozlanTheMage 24.10.2007 14:45 |
I'm genuinely curious as to what criteria you are so callously wielding. Freddie created some lovely music, but he wasn't terribly active in other arenas. He could have highlighted his own struggle with AIDS, thereby drawing attention to a much-neglected disease...he did not. He might have been socially involved in the movement for gay rights...he was not. Indeed, outside of the music he created and the lives he personally touched with his avowed kindness and generosity, Freddie was a terribly private man who had comparatively scant personal impact. Meanwhile, Jesus (in whatever incarnation you choose to ascribe him; as an agnostic, I hold very particular views), altered the face of the earth. Were his views actually enacted, shorn from the pride and power-snatching of men, society would be a drastically different place. No war or exploitation; humbleness extolled; the poor and downtrodden cared for; wisdom valued over all earthly goods. Whether or not you care to deify the man (I do not), his pronouncements and teachings were radical for his time; indeed, are still considered radical in our day and age. Similar statements could be made of the Buddha - a wise man, who paved a specific path to enlightenment. Luckily, there are many. I love Freddie, I adore his music, but he is not a force of divine enlightenment. He was an entertainer, and great teachers trump entertainers. He might have proven a great force for social justice and tolerance had he chosen such a path; he did not, and I respect his choice, being quite a private fellow myself. Comparing Freddie to Jesus is a mug's game, as they are two individuals seprated by time, circumstance and life choice. As Jesus wields more earthly influence than any other human to ever walk the earth, and due to the magnanimous and loving sentiment of his teachings, I must calmly inform you that he was a superior human being. I believe the same of Buddha, and Ghandi. Indeed, any human being that can enact wide-reaching social change for the betterment of mankind has a one-up on a great singer any day of the week. Even including Friday. |
Mr.Jingles 24.10.2007 15:10 |
LozlanTheMage wrote: I'm genuinely curious as to what criteria you are so callously wielding. Freddie created some lovely music, but he wasn't terribly active in other arenas. He could have highlighted his own struggle with AIDS, thereby drawing attention to a much-neglected disease...he did not. He might have been socially involved in the movement for gay rights...he was not. Indeed, outside of the music he created and the lives he personally touched with his avowed kindness and generosity, Freddie was a terribly private man who had comparatively scant personal impact. Meanwhile, Jesus (in whatever incarnation you choose to ascribe him; as an agnostic, I hold very particular views), altered the face of the earth. Were his views actually enacted, shorn from the pride and power-snatching of men, society would be a drastically different place. No war or exploitation; humbleness extolled; the poor and downtrodden cared for; wisdom valued over all earthly goods. Whether or not you care to deify the man (I do not), his pronouncements and teachings were radical for his time; indeed, are still considered radical in our day and age. Similar statements could be made of the Buddha - a wise man, who paved a specific path to enlightenment. Luckily, there are many. I love Freddie, I adore his music, but he is not a force of divine enlightenment. He was an entertainer, and great teachers trump entertainers. He might have proven a great force for social justice and tolerance had he chosen such a path; he did not, and I respect his choice, being quite a private fellow myself. Comparing Freddie to Jesus is a mug's game, as they are two individuals seprated by time, circumstance and life choice. As Jesus wields more earthly influence than any other human to ever walk the earth, and due to the magnanimous and loving sentiment of his teachings, I must calmly inform you that he was a superior human being. I believe the same of Buddha, and Ghandi. Indeed, any human being that can enact wide-reaching social change for the betterment of mankind has a one-up on a great singer any day of the week. Even including Friday.That was a very well written post. Sadly, Treasure Moment lacks the common sense to understand your message. |
Griffin 24.10.2007 16:05 |
must...resist urge...of sarcasm...must study...TQ and Zeb... 'the moth consumed by the flame cannot be illuminated, because it is carbon and ash. but the moth which consumes the flame becomes an illuminated savage' |
Killer_Whale 24.10.2007 17:00 |
I absolutely agree with LozlanTheMage, but may be Treasure Moment have given figurative comparison? Tchaikovsky has told, that Mozart is The Musical God, because he admired him, as before great talent. (sorry for grammar) But, I don't understand Treasure Moment why believing people are fools. I'm Christian and I don't consider myself as a silly woman. Such statements are disrespectful. As to Freddie, he was the unconditional genius and his replacement is impossible. If I am not mistaken, Deacon has the same opinion? Yours sincerely. |
Treasure Moment 24.10.2007 17:34 |
Killer_Whale wrote: I absolutely agree with LozlanTheMage, but may be Treasure Moment have given figurative comparison? Tchaikovsky has told, that Mozart is The Musical God, because he admired him, as before great talent. (sorry for grammar) But, I don't understand Treasure Moment why believing people are fools. I'm Christian and I don't consider myself as a silly woman. Such statements are disrespectful. As to Freddie, he was the unconditional genius and his replacement is impossible. If I am not mistaken, Deacon has the same opinion? Yours sincerely.yes i mean he was a musical genius but he was also an incredible human being. Have you asked youself why you are christian and not muslim or jew or any of the other made up religions? why do you believe in it? what makes it worth believing? does it make sense? is the world 5000 years old? arent we 99% genetically like a monkey? you believe people can walk on water? is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created? why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? i could come up with many more questions... |
Nathan 24.10.2007 19:20 |
It isn't hard to find the answers to those questions, you know. |
Dusta 24.10.2007 20:48 |
Treasure Moment, I asked all of these questions, and, many, many more, in my youth. I do not believe I ever made a single individual doubt their faith by asking them. Here are some of the answers I have received, over the years: why do you believe in it? Because God commands me to. what makes it worth believing? Heaven. does it make sense? Yes. is the world 5000 years old? Not all of the bible is meant to be taken literally. arent we 99% genetically like a monkey?(this is my own answer) Actually, that is 93%. 98% is shared with APES. What a christian might say: I don't believe that. Science is just theories, anyhow. you believe people can walk on water?Yes is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created?Not twisted, GENEROUS why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? So that humans have the opportunity to choose, thereby creating free will. we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? No one knows, for certain, what heaven actually looks like. |
sparrow 21754 24.10.2007 21:14 |
some people here are spiritual, not religious. is that still considered wrong? why do you believe in it? why not? what makes it worth believing? i believe life is about learning for my self purpose, and the same for others. were here for a short time, and i believe we will be here again and again. we grow as souls. does it make sense? not everything makes sense anyway. maybe religion doenst make sense to you, thats fine. what doesnt makes sense is why you put people down for your self-esteem. is the world 5000 years old? unlikely, but perhaps there have been worlds before us? maybe THIS particular world (not the earth's age) is 5000 years old. arent we 99% genetically like a monkey? Dusta answered this nicely. you believe people can walk on water? who said being religious makes people to believe that one can walk on water? and im sure there are certain densities of liquid that are possible to walk on. but when there is ice, its still water in a different form, right? so yes. people can walk on water. is god twisted enough to send his "son" to get killed by the people he himself created? i suppose TM you are one of those who thinks natural disasters are caused to make you miserable, and all by God's will, huh? Im sure it was Jesus' free will to die as he did. some people know their fate. some people feel there are obligations to get their point across. many revolutionary leaders died young, and mostly for their purpose, and rarely on their own hands. some people are sent to this earth to do extereme things to teach us our OWN lessons, to shake the world, for a mass amount of people to understand something. why did he create "sin" if he doesnt like it? do you like it when others do wrong to you? 'sin' is the idea of someone harming another. as far as im concerned, you sin by putting down other peoples freewill to view the world as they do, be it thru religion or spirituality, or both or neither. sin is to TEACH OURSELVES what is right and wrong in 'common sense' and morality among eachother we are going to live on clouds in afterlife? we dont know. i believe we will go to someplace we cannot fathom. clouds may have been the simplest answer for someone to describe in the world as they knew it. example: go back to the 1800s and tell someone what a TV is. one may say 'its a box with moving pictures!' and someones concept would be 'how silly! a painting cannot move!' because that is what they know as a picture, before photos, before televisions, and so forth. you are mortal, freddie was mortal, Jesus was mortal, we are all mortal. the only thing immortal is our mark on earth, and even so, that is a rare thing to be known thruought the ages. there are things we dont always understand. unfortunatly, most people cant accept that, and either reject the idea of religion or spirituality, or rely on that. there is such thing as a middle ground in anything, and thats called an open mind. anything is solved by seeing all sides of the story. do you have to agree with EVERYTHING religion says? no, nobody does. we are given free will to do so. i believe 'God' (who has been too personified, and since is intangible, one can easily say 'He' cannot be seen so 'He' does not exist. the air is there, but we cant see it. does that mean it doent exist? Jesus, Buddah, Mohammed, etc, were simply teachers with great wisdom, and all religion is, is a structure that these teachers have created. yes it is wrong when people use this as an excuse for their harm they may cause, but you cant win everything. you, TM are expressing your free will by putting others down. fine, but its not worth your time, and its not worth our time perpetuating it. you could be more than a monkey and behave better :) open your mind, it wouldnt kill you. we can say youre wrong, you can say were wrong. maybe were all right, maybe were all wrong. there, im done. im sure this will be ignored or somehow put down. |
Treasure Moment 25.10.2007 05:09 |
Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words? no one has had contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth. to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more. |
thomasquinn 32989 25.10.2007 07:43 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words? no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth. to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits: First off, have you ever read the bible or any other holy book? No, I thought not. Let me introduce myself: I'm Caspar Mulders, and I'm an historian at Leiden University. I have looked into sacred texts (especially the Jewish Torah ("The Law", literally), better known as the Old Testament). When you read it from a professional perspective, you will see that it is quite an intelligent book...unless you read it wrongly. No, it is not the 'Word of God' or anything like that. You can believe it is if you wish, but that is a contradiction of history. Take, for instance, the book of Genesis, which gives two contradicting accounts of the Creation. What the books ARE, in fact, is a comprehensive mythological history of the Jewish people, meant for the ordinary people to hear. This is the "story" you would read in any translation of the Old Testament. It was probably meant to create a sense of unity among the Jewish people, by giving them a mutual history. This makes sense, as the writing of the books dates back to the approximate time when the Jewish people were beginning to form a national state of some kind. However, the really beautiful part is the following: within the stories of the Old Testament, a more subtle, philosophical system of thought is hidden. It is a symbolic, mystical description of the universe, our place in it, its origin, etc. Not just that, it largely corroborates modern science. I'll give you an example: According to the first sentence of the Old Testament ("In the beginning God..."), when given a symbological reading (analysing the words themselves, the order in which letters are placed, etc.), at first there was nothing. From nothing came fire, and fire created the Heavens and the Earth. This needs a slight addition: the system of writing used in Hebrew has every symbol representing a word, a letter and a number (there's the importance of the Trinity for you). Learned writing in the form of commentaries on the text of the old testament elaborates on the first sentence of the Old Testament by saying this: at first there was Ain [A Hebrew letter meaning an aspiration (phonetic attribute), 70 or the word 'nothing']. From Ain came the idea "Ain Soph" ("without limit"), and from that came "Ain Soph Aur" ("light without limit", described to resemble what we call the time-space continuum). From this nothing originated the concept "1" (there being "something"), 1 = Aleph, meaning "air" (the alchemic concept, so any gas or something that resembles a gas). Now God is fire ("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus). Fire is the letter Shin. The first word of the bible is Bereshit ("beginning"). The two middle letters of that word are the Aleph and Shin. So, symbolically, it reads: the beginning came out of air and fire. Couple this with the above, and you will see that out of nothing (emptiness, if you will) came the universe when fire (a spark) met air (a gas). In other words: gas exploded and created the universe ==> The Big Bang. And the Old Testament is completely filled like that, every single letter having a symbolic meaning. That is one of the reasons why experts believe that the Hebrew language was never actually spoken (they believe that Aramaïc was the language spoken), but solely used as a priestly language. It would' |
Micrówave 25.10.2007 11:51 |
Very enlightening, TQ. You realize it'll take him days, perhaps weeks, to interpret all of that. The clock is on. Of course, that could all be Bereshit. |
mrs kind of magic 25.10.2007 11:58 |
yh he is And mcirowave i want us to be friends mcirowave you seem nice do u want to be ?? |
Micrówave 25.10.2007 12:13 |
But I am afraid of love. |
mrs kind of magic 25.10.2007 12:41 |
aww dont worry you wont love me x |
Dusta 25.10.2007 12:41 |
Aren't we all?
Micrówave wrote: But I am afraid of love. |
Dusta 25.10.2007 12:44 |
Cripes, I actually learned a few new details, here! Excellent post! Thank you!
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:Treasure Moment wrote: Im just saying, why believe in story books written by MAN as gods words? no one has have contact with any god, its all made up. It may be some higher being or force or whatever you want to call it out there but it hasnt contacted anyone on earth. to just blindly believe in story books as "gods" words isnt so smart because its just stories written by man, nothing more.Right, I'm going to have one more shot at this, and then I call it quits: |
thomasquinn 32989 25.10.2007 15:12 |
Erratum:
("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy: "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24) |
Rick 25.10.2007 15:39 |
Okay, and the God of Music died of AIDS. Some God he is, a perfect example for everybody. |
Treasure Moment 25.10.2007 16:32 |
Micrówave wrote: Very enlightening, TQ. You realize it'll take him days, perhaps weeks, to interpret all of that. The clock is on. Of course, that could all be Bereshit.yeah days, all those books are nonsense. |
Ms. Rebel 25.10.2007 16:38 |
Dusta wrote: Aren't we all?No. I'm afraid of spiders :SMicrówave wrote: But I am afraid of love. |
Treasure Moment 25.10.2007 17:50 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Erratum:Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy: "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24) |
The Real Wizard 25.10.2007 18:20 |
Treasure Moment wrote: Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :DJust because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it. |
Mercuryking 25.10.2007 18:55 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.Treasure Moment wrote: Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :DJust because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it. |
Ready_Coddie 26.10.2007 03:08 |
y'know, there is good and bad with everything... Let me explain something with regard to the situation in India where Several Hindu-Muslim riots have taken place. The Riots were taken obviously with regard to the politician's vote manipulation and the ire to divide people and support the majority. for example, a train had its people killed by flames (hindus) by apparently muslims... The BJP party stated it was because the trains were locked from outside... However, Indian trains dont really support locks... everyone knows the people responsible but still everyone is shut too! There was never a matter of religion to tell the truth, it was just exploited as a reason of war... once a kid asked me while I was reading him a story from the Vedas, 'how is it possible to burn the earth just by a third eye?' Now, when the books these days use figure of speech to give more effect to a sentence, maybe that was the case even then for both the bible as well as many other books, some effect sentences maybe taken literally. Coming back to religion and man: In India, many parents don't let their children go out at nights, many people rob freedom to love in the name of religion... but WE INVENTED KAMASUTRA TOO! And nowhere does it state unmarried love as a sin to begin with! Its just that just like any other parent, the parents care for their daughter's and son's safety and addictions so they say: 'its because of religion' Believe me, its how you see things and handle them that makes your religion look nice or bad. |
thomasquinn 32989 26.10.2007 13:39 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Erratum:Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy: "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24) For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best? |
Treasure Moment 26.10.2007 14:03 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:you are an expert on a story book, thats all. About history, i have a very different view on history than you might have.Treasure Moment wrote:Right, can't say I haven't tried; you're obviously not mature enough to understand. I'll try again in a couple of years. For now, just bear in mind: I'm a trained historian, you are an obnoxious teenager who has done no research on the subject whatsoever. So between the two of us, who would know this subject best?<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Erratum:Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :D("The Lord your God is a burning fire" is stated in, I believe, Exodus)It is indeed stated in Exodus (Exodus 24:17 "And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top."), but the quote I meant was in Deuteronomy: "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4:24) I suggest you check this out if you want the REAL history here is the real history and the future for you Thomas link |
Matias Merçeauroix 26.10.2007 21:46 |
YOU ANUS SMELLS |
The Real Wizard 27.10.2007 10:53 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:Or - to look at it more positively, one can see it as a document of various ancient peoples trying to make sense of their existence at a particular time in history. In that sense, the reader can connect with their spiritual ancestors. Seeing ancient writings as fictional (on the surface) documents of history gives them a different kind of power. This definitely takes time and effort to understand. They're only words until people take them literally, and think they have some kind of power attached to them. Throughout history, we thought the words had literal power because they were given power by people who had power. However, the number of people who are seeing ancient writings as fiction is growing.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:no one knows anything about why the hell we are here or this existence and no story book like the bible will make us wiser. Its just a story book.Treasure Moment wrote: Thomas, you are wasting your time on nonsense books if you really read the bible. I would never read that. bible the book of lies :DJust because most of it isn't historically true doesn't mean there can't be philosophical or spiritual truth conveyed through it. Now that we have the freedom to think for ourselves (unlike say, the 14th century), more and more people are coming to see that the only reason ancient religious writings had power over people is because they were politicized in a time when the majority of the people who adhered to them were illiterate (and didn't even have copies to read themselves, as they were only read to them by priests). We still have quite a ways to go! Even though there is a pretty tainted history, that doesn't make the writings completely irrelevant and useless to those who want to find something within them. Sure, most of the stories themselves aren't historically true, but contained within them are hints of what the true history is. That's where historians like Thomas Quinn come in handy. As for the philosophical side of figuring out our existence, you choose not to worry about these things (which is perfectly fine), while others like to discuss it (which is also perfectly fine). If everyone could accept that simple truth and also accept that it's all philosophy and nothing more, we'd all be pretty okay, I think. |
Fur 27.10.2007 15:48 |
This is quite nice; the religous and non-religous are uniting against a common foe. |
The Real Wizard 27.10.2007 18:21 |
Who or what is this foe you happily speak of? Ignorance? Monotheistic religion? Treasure Moment? |
Sergei. 27.10.2007 18:36 |
Leviticus is a particularly disturbing book of the old testament. |
Dusta 27.10.2007 19:57 |
Indeed. I first read that around the same time as watching the film, "Rosemary's Baby,"...and, I got a bit creeped out by all the, "laws," found therein.
I used to use Leviticus, often, in my arguments with my father, as to why we followed the rules of some parts of the bible, and, not others. Poor dad. He'd always bring up antinomianism...which was never satisfactory to my adolescent mind. What I really wanted him to say was, "Okay, I know the bible is a compilation of politically motivated mythology, and, it is okay that you don't believe." It took some time for me to realize that I could not shake his, nor, anyone else's, faith, and, that it really was bigger than myself. And, truthfully, I did not meet another atheist, or, agnostic, until I was well into adulthood.
<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: Leviticus is a particularly disturbing book of the old testament. |
gmhmagic 27.10.2007 22:14 |
Freddie God of music? I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...! Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music???? Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven??????????? Just to name a few of the well known ones... speaking about music in general...! |
Treasure Moment 28.10.2007 05:14 |
gmhmagic wrote: Freddie God of music? I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...! Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music???? Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven??????????? Just to name a few of the well known ones... speaking about music in general...!yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact. how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition. |
Sergei. 28.10.2007 10:25 |
MOZART IS GOD. BACH IS JESUS. (Just trying to start more nonsense blather from TM) |
LozlanTheMage 28.10.2007 12:54 |
Treasure Moment wrote:Okay, first...not a fact. There is this strange unearthly thing called an opinion. You enjoy Freddie's music, but you have admitted to having little to no technical understanding of music. Therefore any opinion you express concerning music is mere opinion, as it is solely based on your personal levels of enjoyment.gmhmagic wrote: Freddie God of music? I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...! Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music???? Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven??????????? Just to name a few of the well known ones... speaking about music in general...!yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact. how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition. Second, it is closeminded precisely because you refuse to admit that any viewpoint save your own carries the least validity. This is the definition of closemindedness. Third, Freddie's voice was a fine voice, but technically it is not nearly the Most Amazing Ever! It was often thin and covered a (comparatively) narrow range; listen to Rufus Wainwright's voice for an example of a voice far more developed and dynamic. Freddie DID know how to work with what he had, and the results make him one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. However, from a completely objective perspective (which I cannot entirely claim to assume) it does lack on the whole. Fourth, Freddie was not a viruoso musician. His skills on the guitar were intensely limited, and his piano playing was very, very good, but did not approach the level of virtuosic. His compositional skills were indeed revolutionary and exciting; however, his actual playing, while impressive, fails to approach the staggering heights of Glenn Gould. Just my seven-and-a-half cents worth. I wonder if I'll be responded to this time? |
sparrow 21754 28.10.2007 16:35 |
Fur wrote: This is quite nice; the religous and non-religous are uniting against a common foe.XD |
Treasure Moment 28.10.2007 16:38 |
LozlanTheMage wrote:you compare a nobody like that rufus guy with the best voice AND singer of all time?? what a joke... that rufus guys voice is nothing special AT ALL, his voice is not special while freddies voice is the most beautiful voice ever, what a blasphemy to compare a mediocre voice like that with freddie, amazing...Treasure Moment wrote:Okay, first...not a fact. There is this strange unearthly thing called an opinion. You enjoy Freddie's music, but you have admitted to having little to no technical understanding of music. Therefore any opinion you express concerning music is mere opinion, as it is solely based on your personal levels of enjoyment. Second, it is closeminded precisely because you refuse to admit that any viewpoint save your own carries the least validity. This is the definition of closemindedness. Third, Freddie's voice was a fine voice, but technically it is not nearly the Most Amazing Ever! It was often thin and covered a (comparatively) narrow range; listen to Rufus Wainwright's voice for an example of a voice far more developed and dynamic. Freddie DID know how to work with what he had, and the results make him one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. However, from a completely objective perspective (which I cannot entirely claim to assume) it does lack on the whole. Fourth, Freddie was not a viruoso musician. His skills on the guitar were intensely limited, and his piano playing was very, very good, but did not approach the level of virtuosic. His compositional skills were indeed revolutionary and exciting; however, his actual playing, while impressive, fails to approach the staggering heights of Glenn Gould. Just my seven-and-a-half cents worth. I wonder if I'll be responded to this time?gmhmagic wrote: Freddie God of music? I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...! Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music???? Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven??????????? Just to name a few of the well known ones... speaking about music in general...!yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact. how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition. yeah freddie wasnt virtuoso in playing like beethoven for example but he wrote amazing songs and many of them are in fact very complex. I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not. Dont think that you know anything better than me coz you dont and the fact that you mention that rufus guy and comparing him to the best singer of all time totally takes away any credibility you might have had. |
Dusta 28.10.2007 17:07 |
Well, I will respond. While I admit that I don't see Freddie as a God, or, even feel he was the best musician ever(I really do love my Mozart), I don't think that, if you are going to comment on Freddie's vocal abilities, describing his range as narrow would be very accurate, relative to other singers of his genre. Perhaps if one compares him to, say...Mariah Carey, Freddie's range may come up short, however, his range is comparable to other male singers of rock and roll, and, in fact, exceeds most of them. I'd say he had a great deal to work with, regarding his voice.LozlanTheMage wrote: Third, Freddie's voice was a fine voice, but technically it is not nearly the Most Amazing Ever! It was often thin and covered a (comparatively) narrow range; listen to Rufus Wainwright's voice for an example of a voice far more developed and dynamic. Freddie DID know how to work with what he had, and the results make him one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. However, from a completely objective perspective (which I cannot entirely claim to assume) it does lack on the whole. Just my seven-and-a-half cents worth. I wonder if I'll be responded to this time? |
LozlanTheMage 28.10.2007 20:02 |
Well. Two responses! My lucky day. My argument revolved around the fact that, compared to some singers, Freddie's voice could be considered narrow. This is not to insist that his range doesn't easily eclipse the majority of the human population; however, as our dear TM seems intent on declaring Freddie the God of all things Musical, I thought it might provide some mild entertainment to point out that his voice was, in contrast to Rufus Wainwright or, hell, Mariah, not quite as dynamic. In my opinion. This is certainly not intended as an insult to Freddie. His voice resonates with me in an intensely personal fashion; indeed, if I wantonly barged about declaring my uninformed opinions to be facts, I would certainly insist on his vocal superiority to almost every singer I've encountered. I'm assuming that Treasure Moment listened to some Rufus, either earlier or in response to this post. I find it telling that his first statement revolves around Rufus's relative lack of notoriety; sad. If public opinion shaped the greats of the artistic world, we wouldn't have hide nor hair of Van Gough. Again TM's ignorance is showing. Rufus has one of the most technically advanced male voices in modern music. His security of intonation and excellent range are a testament to what a conditioned voice can accomplish. And his songwriting, coupled with that of Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan, is about the best to be found. In my opinion. An interesting aside: you mention being able to recognize 'coplexity' in music, which apparently equates 'goodness.' Personally I ascribe to the adage of the folk luminary Pete Seeger: "Any idiot can make something complex. It takes a genius to make something simple." In his opinion. This does not necessarily efface the brilliance of successfully complex music; rather it is a commentary on the tendency of untried musicians to compose something so achingly complex that it will blow their audiences away. And often this works: people are easily blinded by complex but pointless music. It is truly more difficult to compose something both simple and compelling; in the instance of simplicity, the sole aspect of artistic wonder is brought on by the unity of theme, form and performance. Thus Rufus Wainwright's cover of Leonard Cohen's 'Halleluja' on the 'Shrek' soundtrack remains a gorgeous and compelling track, despite its being insanely simple. In my opinion. But if you are looking for complexity, preferring Queen over any of Bach's compositions is artistic madness. Bach's music is so intricately constructed that reverberations of his sensibility have been found at the heart of Chaos Theory. I figure if your music firmly echoes the essence of complex mathematical concepts not discovered until two-hundred years after your death, you had something special going on. In my opinion. Hopefully this clarifies a few salient points. TM, you are a silly, silly man. In my opinion. |
Dusta 28.10.2007 21:59 |
I do agree that Rufus Wainwright has a lovely, lovely voice(though, I still prefer Freddie's voice). His, "Hallelujah," actually choked me up. It is difficult to imagine, him, however, managing Queen's earlier, harder rocking songs, which Freddie did handily, and, dynamically.
We know that Freddie's vocal range was 3.5 octaves, not including falsetto. What is the range of Mr Wainwright? Just curious.
LozlanTheMage wrote: Well. Two responses! My lucky day. My argument revolved around the fact that, compared to some singers, Freddie's voice could be considered narrow. This is not to insist that his range doesn't easily eclipse the majority of the human population; however, as our dear TM seems intent on declaring Freddie the God of all things Musical, I thought it might provide some mild entertainment to point out that his voice was, in contrast to Rufus Wainwright or, hell, Mariah, not quite as dynamic. In my opinion. This is certainly not intended as an insult to Freddie. His voice resonates with me in an intensely personal fashion; indeed, if I wantonly barged about declaring my uninformed opinions to be facts, I would certainly insist on his vocal superiority to almost every singer I've encountered. I'm assuming that Treasure Moment listened to some Rufus, either earlier or in response to this post. I find it telling that his first statement revolves around Rufus's relative lack of notoriety; sad. If public opinion shaped the greats of the artistic world, we wouldn't have hide nor hair of Van Gough. Again TM's ignorance is showing. Rufus has one of the most technically advanced male voices in modern music. His security of intonation and excellent range are a testament to what a conditioned voice can accomplish. And his songwriting, coupled with that of Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan, is about the best to be found. In my opinion. An interesting aside: you mention being able to recognize 'coplexity' in music, which apparently equates 'goodness.' Personally I ascribe to the adage of the folk luminary Pete Seeger: "Any idiot can make something complex. It takes a genius to make something simple." In his opinion. This does not necessarily efface the brilliance of successfully complex music; rather it is a commentary on the tendency of untried musicians to compose something so achingly complex that it will blow their audiences away. And often this works: people are easily blinded by complex but pointless music. It is truly more difficult to compose something both simple and compelling; in the instance of simplicity, the sole aspect of artistic wonder is brought on by the unity of theme, form and performance. Thus Rufus Wainwright's cover of Leonard Cohen's 'Halleluja' on the 'Shrek' soundtrack remains a gorgeous and compelling track, despite its being insanely simple. In my opinion. But if you are looking for complexity, preferring Queen over any of Bach's compositions is artistic madness. Bach's music is so intricately constructed that reverberations of his sensibility have been found at the heart of Chaos Theory. I figure if your music firmly echoes the essence of complex mathematical concepts not discovered until two-hundred years after your death, you had something special going on. In my opinion. Hopefully this clarifies a few salient points. TM, you are a silly, silly man. In my opinion. |
LozlanTheMage 28.10.2007 22:40 |
An interesting question. I did a little research, a didn't come up with a specific range; however, one listen to the title track from 'Release the Stars' proves he has the chops to soar and growl with the best of them. I do know that he has the vocal virtuosity to reproduce the entirety of Judy Garland's Carnegie Hall appearances. As Judy's voice was quite phenomenal, I'll tip my hat to any lady or gent willing to tackle her setlist. I saw him perform several of her tracks at a recent concert in Michigan; stunning. And the stilettos didn't hurt the performance either. As for rocking out, check out his performances of 'Origin of Love,' 'The One You Love,' and 'Between My Legs,' amongst others. He can rock damn well when he chooses to do so, though I agree that Freddie's voice was better suited to hard rock material. |
Dusta 28.10.2007 23:05 |
Well, not going to argue that he doesn't have an amazing voice(and, well, he's got the loveliest eyes), and, having heard him sing, I've no doubt that he can manage some of of Judy's material(I am also a great fan of Judy Garland). I just wanted to point out that part of what made Freddie such a good singer(aside from his lovely pitch and range) was the way he could sing an achingly beautiful ballad, and, also sing those really hard rocking songs that made up the bulk of early Queen's material. Not just manage them, but, sing them powerfully, melodically, and, rytmically.
LozlanTheMage wrote: An interesting question. I did a little research, a didn't come up with a specific range; however, one listen to the title track from 'Release the Stars' proves he has the chops to soar and growl with the best of them. I do know that he has the vocal virtuosity to reproduce the entirety of Judy Garland's Carnegie Hall appearances. As Judy's voice was quite phenomenal, I'll tip my hat to any lady or gent willing to tackle her setlist. I saw him perform several of her tracks at a recent concert in Michigan; stunning. And the stilettos didn't hurt the performance either. As for rocking out, check out his performances of 'Origin of Love,' 'The One You Love,' and 'Between My Legs,' amongst others. He can rock damn well when he chooses to do so, though I agree that Freddie's voice was better suited to hard rock material. |
The Real Wizard 28.10.2007 23:14 |
Treasure Moment wrote: you compare a nobody like that rufus guy with the best voice AND singer of all time?? what a joke... that rufus guys voice is nothing special AT ALL, his voice is not special while freddies voice is the most beautiful voice ever, what a blasphemy to compare a mediocre voice like that with freddie, amazing...It's funny... you cut overly-religious people to shreds for blindly believing in things they can't prove to be true, but you're doing the exact same thing. The only difference is that your "God" is Freddie. And the only person who doesn't see it is YOU! I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.Hahaha... now that's funny! On that note, I'm not a qualified pilot, but I know everything about airplanes. Anyone else who disagrees with me is committing blasphemy. |
Treasure Moment 29.10.2007 04:46 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:flying an airplane and listening to music are not the same thing, what a stupid comparision.Treasure Moment wrote: you compare a nobody like that rufus guy with the best voice AND singer of all time?? what a joke... that rufus guys voice is nothing special AT ALL, his voice is not special while freddies voice is the most beautiful voice ever, what a blasphemy to compare a mediocre voice like that with freddie, amazing...It's funny... you cut overly-religious people to shreds for blindly believing in things they can't prove to be true, but you're doing the exact same thing. The only difference is that your "God" is Freddie. And the only person who doesn't see it is YOU!I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.Hahaha... now that's funny! On that note, I'm not a qualified pilot, but I know everything about airplanes. Anyone else who disagrees with me is committing blasphemy. in music the judge is the ears and the intellect of the listener. |
The Fairy King 29.10.2007 06:16 |
Freddie WAS the God of Cock, facial hair and overdubbing. <3 x |
john bodega 29.10.2007 09:52 |
"in music the judge is the ears and the intellect of the listener." That explains that then.... |
Treasure Moment 29.10.2007 09:56 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "in music the judge is the ears and the intellect of the listener." That explains that then....yes it does and i know music better than these dumb people |
Treasure Moment 29.10.2007 09:57 |
LozlanTheMage wrote: An interesting question. I did a little research, a didn't come up with a specific range; however, one listen to the title track from 'Release the Stars' proves he has the chops to soar and growl with the best of them. I do know that he has the vocal virtuosity to reproduce the entirety of Judy Garland's Carnegie Hall appearances. As Judy's voice was quite phenomenal, I'll tip my hat to any lady or gent willing to tackle her setlist. I saw him perform several of her tracks at a recent concert in Michigan; stunning. And the stilettos didn't hurt the performance either. As for rocking out, check out his performances of 'Origin of Love,' 'The One You Love,' and 'Between My Legs,' amongst others. He can rock damn well when he chooses to do so, though I agree that Freddie's voice was better suited to hard rock material.its obvious you dont know ANYTHING about music and all your credibility is lost now. You compared a GARBAGE nobody like that rufus with freddie, what a joke........ |
Mercuryking 29.10.2007 10:49 |
LozlanTheMage wrote:You my friend are an total idiot for saying that.Treasure Moment wrote:Okay, first...not a fact. There is this strange unearthly thing called an opinion. You enjoy Freddie's music, but you have admitted to having little to no technical understanding of music. Therefore any opinion you express concerning music is mere opinion, as it is solely based on your personal levels of enjoyment. Second, it is closeminded precisely because you refuse to admit that any viewpoint save your own carries the least validity. This is the definition of closemindedness. Third, Freddie's voice was a fine voice, but technically it is not nearly the Most Amazing Ever! It was often thin and covered a (comparatively) narrow range; listen to Rufus Wainwright's voice for an example of a voice far more developed and dynamic. Freddie DID know how to work with what he had, and the results make him one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. However, from a completely objective perspective (which I cannot entirely claim to assume) it does lack on the whole. Fourth, Freddie was not a viruoso musician. His skills on the guitar were intensely limited, and his piano playing was very, very good, but did not approach the level of virtuosic. His compositional skills were indeed revolutionary and exciting; however, his actual playing, while impressive, fails to approach the staggering heights of Glenn Gould. Just my seven-and-a-half cents worth. I wonder if I'll be responded to this time?gmhmagic wrote: Freddie God of music? I don´t know why people still say this kind of rubbish... very close minded...! Freddie was an awesome musician and artist... but come on... God of music???? Have you ever listened to Bach, Mozart or Beethoven??????????? Just to name a few of the well known ones... speaking about music in general...!yeah ive listened to mozart etc i like them too but freddie is the god of music and thats a fact. how is that closeminded? the man was the most talented there ever was or ever will be, his voice is the best of all time. His songwriting was amazing, he was the best musician of all time and will be forever without the slightest competition. Comparing Rufus to Freddie?? HAHAHAH what a joke!! Check your ears man , cause apparently you are going deaf! |
Dusta 29.10.2007 22:57 |
I listened to Queen on some decent speakers, today, after getting Innuendo in the mail from Amazon. Amazing. And, listening to Freddie on something other than my home pc speakers, or, via youtube was an incredible experience. Honestly, his voice is so much more than I had even remembered. I haven't listened to Queen on decent stereo equipment since I had a turn table(I AM the ancient Chinese secret--and, old enough to remember that commercial), and, my first stereo in my first apartment. From Hit Man, to Ride the Wild Wind, to Don't Try So Hard, to the Show Must Go On--such versatility of voice, and, so much character in THAT VOICE. Perhaps, in some cases, Freddie was not in top form, recording these songs with his friends, however, he still delivers. Truly. Perhaps he lacks the power he had during the MK concert, or Wembley, or, Montreal..but, he gained something else, along the way. I guess I'd better quit being lazy and listening to Queen on my pc. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.10.2007 01:35 |
Treasure Moment wrote: I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.no you can't |
Treasure Moment 30.10.2007 06:19 |
<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:silent fool, go play some coversTreasure Moment wrote: I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.no you can't |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.10.2007 11:16 |
Treasure Moment wrote:No, actually I'm rehearsing with my band, our own songs, as we're gonna play on November 16th...<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:silent fool, go play some coversTreasure Moment wrote: I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.no you can't |
Treasure Moment 30.10.2007 11:30 |
<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:cool, i would like to hear the new songsTreasure Moment wrote:No, actually I'm rehearsing with my band, our own songs, as we're gonna play on November 16th...<b>- Horsie Vai - wrote:silent fool, go play some coversTreasure Moment wrote: I may not know musical theory but i can hear whats complex or not, whats mediocre and whats not.no you can't we are playing nov 17 :D |
QueenMercury46 30.10.2007 23:17 |
Can't you just simply enjoy listening to music? Do you seriously sit and critique the quality of every song you hear, and not just soak it in???? Honestly, the point of music is for entertainment and such. Not for people like you to say, "listen to that shit, this low shit music artist with no musical talent! That bit right there doesn't involve enough talent!" I mean, it's obvious some songs are better quality than others but can't you just enjoy the tune of a song and be happy for once? Some people just like certain music better than others...why is it that you think your opinions are superior to everybody else's? If the song is catchy or has a certain effect on me, I like it. I don't slam it for its quality. I honestly think your definition of quality music is quite ridiculous. But hey, if it's what you like, fine. Nobody's opinions should be superior to others. An opinion is an opinion. Why am I even wasting my time with you? I know your response will probably be something along the lines to "shut up low being with no musical taste!!!" |
john bodega 31.10.2007 05:41 |
No no, if you try and predict that Treasure Moment is going to say 'you low being', he switches over to <insert bullshit> 'and that is a fact'. He has about three or four copy-and-paste statements that he uses in rotation so it doesn't look like he's a total moron. It doesn't work. |
Ms. Rebel 31.10.2007 10:55 |
<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Freddie WAS the God of Cock, facial hair and overdubbing. <3 xYou can say that again :9 |
sparrow 21754 31.10.2007 11:44 |
why are we still wasting our time with this idiot?? hes just going to post the same stuff, everyone gets the same reaction, and so on... its only entertaining for so long. its not worth our energy. he's purely run out of ideas to cause trouble, and the only thing perpetuating it is people's reactions. we shouldn't've have even given him the time of day, let alone 6 pages. let it die. and if he posts more stupid threads on the same stuff, maybe if noone responds, he will eventually catch the hint. oh and the same insults prove further, his intelligence/creativity. if he were truly 'more intelligent' than us, he wouldn't even result to any of that, so he is simply compensating for somethings... ill be curious to see his response if it is other than something contradicting to himself or the same 5 insults...however i will no longer respond to this thread. i have better things to do. |
Treasure Moment 31.10.2007 14:38 |
Sparrow wrote: why are we still wasting our time with this idiot?? hes just going to post the same stuff, everyone gets the same reaction, and so on... its only entertaining for so long. its not worth our energy. he's purely run out of ideas to cause trouble, and the only thing perpetuating it is people's reactions. we shouldn't've have even given him the time of day, let alone 6 pages. let it die. and if he posts more stupid threads on the same stuff, maybe if noone responds, he will eventually catch the hint. oh and the same insults prove further, his intelligence/creativity. if he were truly 'more intelligent' than us, he wouldn't even result to any of that, so he is simply compensating for somethings... ill be curious to see his response if it is other than something contradicting to himself or the same 5 insults...however i will no longer respond to this thread. i have better things to do.you all act as if you arent saying the exact same things to me, im just defending myself. |