QueenZone discussion #1049191

pittrek wrote: This is one of the three performances of Seven Seas Of Rhye on BBC's Top Of The Pops in 1974. Date is unknown, so if anybody has some info to add, feel free to contribute. Download link : link Enjoy :-)

pittrek wrote: Wow, 15 downloads and 1 reply ? A really GREAT motivation to upload other things.

pittrek wrote: But the second video I have is a combination of 2 performances, the first one is (I think) identical to the one I posted, but it's black and white, and in the end it's colour. The second performance is a live performance before an audience overdubbed with the album version of the song, if I remember correctly it was also B&W.

Pim Derks wrote: As far as I know Queen never performed Seven Seas of Rhye on the Dutch TV show Top Pop. They did do Killer Queen in November 1974, but that's it.

boffy wrote: That's interesting, is the video of Killer Queen on Top Pop available? I've only seen the well-known TOTP performance.

boffy wrote: That's interesting, is the video of Killer Queen on Top Pop available? I've only seen the well-known TOTP performance. The two versions of SSOR in the YouTube video seem to be from different programs: One is in a plain studio with no audience, the other has an audience and Roger is in front of a big symbol or set piece. It resembles, but doesn't seem to be, the NBC logo. Does anyone recognise this logo or know for sure where either video is from? I've attached a screenshot from YouTube.

pittrek wrote: I'll upload it in the next few days

Ducksoup wrote: old totp logo

boffy wrote: Cheers, Duck Soup. (I wonder if ANATO would've sold as well if they'd named it after that Marx bros. film instead.)

pittrek wrote:

Pim Derks wrote: As far as I know Queen never performed Seven Seas of Rhye on the Dutch TV show Top Pop. They did do Killer Queen in November 1974, but that's it.

Are you talking about this show ? link

Rien wrote: yes I still have the original VHS tape. I used Pinnacle Studio to transfer it to my pc from VHS recorder. btw I cannot believe that there isn't anyone who has a better version of this clip. Hopefully it will appear one day. (let's say on Queen "Boxing" Day...)

boffy wrote: Does anyone here who's into physically trading tapes, have or know someone who has a fancy VCR, full-frame timebase corrector, etc.? That is, if Rien were willing to let someone have a go at a re-transfer?

pittrek wrote: Why ?

pittrek wrote: BTW I have an idea. When I was doing my Star Wars restoration project I have found a great AviSynth plugin which can read color information from one clip and write them into an other clip. Maybe it's worth trying it

boffy wrote:

pittrek wrote: Why ?

Because a re-transfer with fancy equipment would be a bit sharper and cleaner, and might recover more of the colour. I may seems slightly obsessed with the recovery of the best possible version of the SSOR video, I am aware that the world probably doesn't revolve around this, but it would be nice.

My plan is to manually tidy up the bit with flickery colour so that the first half of the song is black & white and the second is in steady colour. I've tried this before with other videos and it works quite well. Obviously it would be nice to start with the best transfer of the source material possible, but I apologise if I'm being slightly unreasonable.

pittrek wrote: BTW I have an idea. When I was doing my Star Wars restoration project I have found a great AviSynth plugin which can read color information from one clip and write them into an other clip. Maybe it's worth trying it

Thanks, I'm planning on doing something similar with a filter that gives you the Y(b/w) U and V (colour) signals side by side in one wide video, so it's easy to manipulate them individually and copy missing colour from adjacent frames.

EDIT: Rather off-topic, but that Star Wars restoration project sounds rather interesting, what was that about?

pittrek wrote: There's nothing wrong with this type of obsession :-) Queen community needs more people obsessed with quality :-) Sound VERY interesting.

May I ask which filter are you talking about ?

I was doing a re-creation of the original theatrical version (pre-special edition) in best possible format from best possible source, so I've started with colour-correcting the f*cked up official 2004 DVD using the 2006 "bonus" discs, if you know what I'm talking about :-)

pittrek wrote: And a special gift number 2 : link I think it's the video from your youtube link. I have this one from the Queen hub, I think. If somebody has some info about this, feel free to contribute.

Rien wrote: btw, I did also copy the VHS tape directly to my DVD recorder. That should be some kind of one-on-one copy. No quality loss I mean. If you can say that from a VHS tape with a minor quality videoclip on it of course :-)

Rien wrote: btw, I did also copy the VHS tape directly to my DVD recorder. That should be some kind of one-on-one copy. No quality loss I mean. If you can say that from a VHS tape with a minor quality videoclip on it of course :-)

Rien wrote: Can't promise. btw I think it won't be really better than what we already have.

fredcury merdie wrote: well i love this very interesting puzzle,i remember watching this on totp in 74 and only managed to get a copy years later.the story i have is that somebody who worked for the bbc was searching through the vaults and came across it relized what he had found and stole it(hence the story of the beeb not having a copy)he then transferd it to vhs as it was on some other format(unknown),then some how ruined the original so the only surviving recording was a not a very good copy.now that copy was transferd again and this is where the copy everybody seems to have has comes from originaly.some where in my collection of vhs tapes i have a slightly better version which came direct from the first copy which i have not been able to find, i have posted a copy some time ago which was the second version.i am hoping that the first version i have as not been recorded over or lost...when i do finally find it i promise that you the fans will be the first to have it....in a previous post i was slagged off queenzoners saying i did not have a better version!! belive me or not i don't care i know what i have somewhere when i posted i was andy1962

pittrek wrote:

Rien wrote: Can't promise. btw I think it won't be really better than what we already have.

We would be grateful if you could do it :) And a high bitrate mpeg2 is ALWAYS better then a low bitrate mpeg1 :)

fredcury merdie wrote: well i love this very interesting puzzle,i remember watching this on totp in 74 and only managed to get a copy years later.the story i have is that somebody who worked for the bbc was searching through the vaults and came across it relized what he had found and stole it(hence the story of the beeb not having a copy)he then transferd it to vhs as it was on some other format(unknown),then some how ruined the original so the only surviving recording was a not a very good copy.now that copy was transferd again and this is where the copy everybody seems to have has comes from originaly.some where in my collection of vhs tapes i have a slightly better version which came direct from the first copy which i have not been able to find, i have posted a copy some time ago which was the second version.i am hoping that the first version i have as not been recorded over or lost...when i do finally find it i promise that you the fans will be the first to have it....in a previous post i was slagged off queenzoners saying i did not have a better version!! belive me or not i don't care i know what i have somewhere when i posted i was andy1962

tcc wrote: I found this in my files but I can't find the thread where I downloaded it from. It is the TOTP performance with Dave Lee Travis appearing somewhere in the performance. link

MackMantilla wrote:

tcc wrote: I found this in my files but I can't find the thread where I downloaded it from. It is the TOTP performance with Dave Lee Travis appearing somewhere in the performance. link

Thanks for the link :)

antiden wrote: If I understand correctly, you guys are searching for original (at least) black&white version of 21/02/74 performance in mpg/DVD format?

Chief Mouse wrote: ^ Nah :P

Chief Mouse wrote: No, colorizing it would be quite impossible. Sorry :) I'm not a magician.

GinjaNinja wrote: Sounds like the audio's been replaced with the album version though, does anyone have a copy with the original audio? It's supposedly different to what's on the album.

antiden wrote: I only have totally b&w versions. link

The Real Wizard wrote: February 21, 1974 March 14, 1974

Mr.QueenFan wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: February 21, 1974 March 14, 1974

Thank you.

jadeapple wrote: I've seen a version somewhere that has the second half in color. Does anyone know where it can be found.