| Mean Mr. Ketchup 13.10.2007 11:48 |
Queen London, UK 31st March, 1974 I am sharing this as a thank you to all those people who have helped me to pad out my own collection (you know who you are), and I offer something that even some traders with a pretty big colection may not have... Here we have the March show from the Rainbow Theatre in London, 1974. This is the Rare pre LP version, I recently aquired it in a trade (thanks again!) and decided to share it around. This is a fantastic upgrade to the LP source, the most complete version and the quality is EX! Enjoy... Rainbow Theatre, London, UK - 31st March 1974 (Pre LP) Quality: EX Setlist: 1. Procession (1.09) 2. Father To Son (5.52) 3. Ogre Battle (4.59) 4. Son And Daughter (7.30) 5. Keep Yourself Alive (4.12) 6. Seven Seas Of Rhye (2.59) 7. Modern Times Rock'n'Roll (2.47) 8. Liar (7.38) You have permission to convert to lossy formats but only for your own personal use. Distribute these files only in lossless quality! Parts 1-3: link link link |
| The Real Wizard 13.10.2007 12:05 |
It's not the master tape. Someone along the line made up that story... so I definitely suggest you rename this topic from "mastertape" to "pre-LP", because that's definitely what it is. We don't want everyone thinking it's the master tape, because you know how people just uncritically download without thinking about these things for themselves. A community is judged by how critical they are of these things. Here, people would say "Oh wow, the master!". At a Zeppelin site, everyone will be asking, "Where was the master tape? How did you get it? How much did it cost?," etc. etc., and there would be an open discussion. Here... not so much. This tape originally came from a cassette tape that an American collector acquired in 1980. It seems it is exactly the tape that was used for all of the LPs. I was the first one to get it, and was thrilled at how good the quality was! Someone filled in a few small gaps with an LP source, but I smoothed out the edits... and that exact version was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour. So, *someone* we know sent it to them, because it wasn't shared anywhere online that I know of. But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", and I say that in quotations since there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it. |
| Cygnus X-1 13.10.2007 12:07 |
Great, thanks! This one shurely beats my "Sheetkickers" version. I always loved this recording, even it's incomplete, it's a true adrenaline fueled tour-de-force! Very raw and high energy -Brians guitar never sounded so agressive and heavy as on this recording. Wasn't it supposed to be an "official" live album? |
| pittrek 13.10.2007 12:09 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It's not the master tape. Someone along the line made up that story... so I definitely suggest you rename this topic from "mastertape" to "pre-LP", because that's definitely what it is. This tape originally came from a cassette tape that an American collector acquired in 1980. It is exactly the tape that was used for all of the LPs and subsequent silvers. I was the first one to get it, and was thrilled at how good the quality was! A few small gaps were filled an LP source, but I smoothed out the edits... and that exact version was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour. So, *someone* we know sent it to them, because it wasn't shared anywhere online that I know of. But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", even though there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it.WTF - Wardour bootlegged you bootleg ??? |
| Mean Mr. Ketchup 13.10.2007 12:12 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It's not the master tape. Someone along the line made up that story... so I definitely suggest you rename this topic from "mastertape" to "pre-LP", because that's definitely what it is. This tape originally came from a cassette tape that an American collector acquired in 1980. It is exactly the tape that was used for all of the LPs and subsequent silvers. I was the first one to get it, and was thrilled at how good the quality was! A few small gaps were filled an LP source, but I smoothed out the edits... and that exact version was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour. So, *someone* we know sent it to them, because it wasn't shared anywhere online that I know of. But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", even though there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it.Thanks for the info, I've edited the post. |
| The Real Wizard 13.10.2007 12:12 |
pittrek wrote: WTF - Wardour bootlegged you bootleg ???Essentially, yes. But mine technically wasn't a bootleg. It was a RoIO... it's not a bootleg until a company presses it for sale. MeanMrKetchup <br><h6>formerly Pred</h6> wrote: Thanks for the info, I've edited the post.No prob! Gahhh... you both quoted my post before I edited it! |
| onevsion 13.10.2007 12:28 |
pittrek wrote: WTF - Wardour bootlegged you bootleg ???Money money money... labels pay big money for recordings. |
| onevsion 13.10.2007 12:39 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: It's not the master tape. Someone along the line made up that story... so I definitely suggest you rename this topic from "mastertape" to "pre-LP", because that's definitely what it is. We don't want everyone thinking it's the master tape, because you know how people just uncritically download without thinking about these things for themselves. A community is judged by how critical they are of these things. Here, people would say "Oh wow, the master!". At a Zeppelin site, everyone will be asking, "Where was the master tape? How did you get it? How much did it cost?," etc. etc., and there would be an open discussion. Here... not so much.Fully agree on your points here Bob. This isn't from the master tape (wich is in the pocession queen productions obviously). is there anyone out here who knows the generation of the tape? Could it be possible that what we have here is a first generation copy of the mastertape? (Just want to make the lineage notes in my list as accurate as possible) Cheers, Dennis |
| The Real Wizard 13.10.2007 12:49 |
Nope, it's impossible to know... The guy I got it from had it as an unmarked gen... and like I said, that was 27 years ago! |
| gb_master 13.10.2007 13:42 |
One day we'll have the mastertape too hopefully... But now I really enjoy this release... Thanks |
| tassilo 13.10.2007 16:24 |
Thank you very much, the sound is great! |
| onevsion 13.10.2007 16:50 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Nope, it's impossible to know... The guy I got it from had it as an unmarked gen... and like I said, that was 27 years ago!True, Exact lineage or not, it's still a fantastic upgrade to the LP version we all had for years! |
| aristides 13.10.2007 18:09 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", and I say that in quotations since there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it.What overdubs are you talking about ? This tape is a raw mixing desk recording or a remaster for an official release ? |
| onevsion 13.10.2007 18:45 |
aristides wrote:please.... not this discussion again. We all know this recording is heavily overdubbed.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", and I say that in quotations since there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it.What overdubs are you talking about ? This tape is a raw mixing desk recording or a remaster for an official release ? |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 13.10.2007 18:55 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", and I say that in quotations since there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it.I am "glad" to know the vocals are overdubbed. I was listening to this wonderful recording (THANKS!) and thinking exactly that: "Wow, the band is awesome this night, but it seems that Freddie is just not there with them." His voice sounds softer on Father to Son, which sounded weird to me. Now I think I know why: it might be one of those overdubs, is it? Incredible band performance, though. Is it also overdubbed? I hope not! Cheers, Ogre- |
| The Real Wizard 14.10.2007 00:17 |
aristides wrote: This tape is a raw mixing desk recording or a remaster for an official release ?I'm definitely convinced that this show was intended to be an official release. This is two perfect sides of vinyl. It's 37 minutes, there are edits between songs, and there are vocal overdubs (and perhaps musical overdubs too). Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: Incredible band performance, though. Is it also overdubbed? I hope not!It's pretty much impossible to tell.. ! |
| Rick 14.10.2007 04:40 |
Talk to Sikke, he claims he's got the complete show. |
| Mean Mr. Ketchup 14.10.2007 06:13 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:In a way I think it's a shame that they overdubbed their live material, id rather heard Queen live how they really were..aristides wrote: This tape is a raw mixing desk recording or a remaster for an official release ?I'm definitely convinced that this show was intended to be an official release. This is two perfect sides of vinyl. It's 37 minutes, there are edits between songs, and there are vocal overdubs (and perhaps musical overdubs too). |
| The Real Wizard 14.10.2007 10:39 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote: Talk to Sikke, he claims he's got the complete show.Yeah, he claims a lot of things... and I don't believe a word of them. We've never once heard any kind of a sample of his outrageous claims (and of course by sheer coincidence he's horrible at replying to emails), so until then, it's guilty until proven innocent in my books. |
| Hippolyte 14.10.2007 10:42 |
Thanks for sharing. |
| Pierre 14.10.2007 12:39 |
Thanx for this one ! |
| PBB 15.10.2007 02:38 |
Sounds interesting. Thank you for sharing. |
| Nummer2 15.10.2007 05:35 |
Thank you very much! |
| stark 15.10.2007 16:49 |
very generous of you - thanks! |
| Oszmercury 15.10.2007 17:04 |
It supposed to be an official release, a shame it didn't see the light as an official album, i could be in the same level as Made in Japan or Live at leeds, who knows |
| flashalive 16.10.2007 02:45 |
Many thanks - I'm really looking forward to hearing this- this was the first Queen bootleg i aqcuired when I was 13 years old- a cassette tape nonetheless taken off the LP Sheetkeekers....back then I dreamt of finding the original LP...never thought i would be able to get an low generation recording...wow thank god for technology :) |
| pittrek 16.10.2007 03:17 |
I don't know if this is the same as I have, but if yes, the difference between this and Shitkickers is really huge |
| The Real Wizard 16.10.2007 12:06 |
Oszmercury wrote: It supposed to be an official release, a shame it didn't see the light as an official album, i could be in the same level as Made in Japan or Live at leeds, who knowsYeah, no kidding... The fact that this wasn't released is a huge loss for the world of rock music. But, let's see what the future brings. We can only hope that there will be some 70s releases. |
| Mean Mr. Ketchup 16.10.2007 12:53 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:What are your opinions on that, before Montreal 1981 was decided, there was talks about Budapest? Gah, please let them dig us out from the archives a complete Barcelona 20.02.1979 or Paris 01.03.1979!!Oszmercury wrote: It supposed to be an official release, a shame it didn't see the light as an official album, i could be in the same level as Made in Japan or Live at leeds, who knowsYeah, no kidding... The fact that this wasn't released is a huge loss for the world of rock music. But, let's see what the future brings. We can only hope that there will be some 70s releases. |
| Cygnus X-1 16.10.2007 16:04 |
MeanMrKetchup <br><h6>formerly Pred</h6> wrote:How about a Box Set with all three Paris'79 nights, like the one was made for the 20th anniversary of DP's "Made In Japan"Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:What are your opinions on that, before Montreal 1981 was decided, there was talks about Budapest? Gah, please let them dig us out from the archives a complete Barcelona 20.02.1979 or Paris 01.03.1979!!Oszmercury wrote: It supposed to be an official release, a shame it didn't see the light as an official album, i could be in the same level as Made in Japan or Live at leeds, who knowsYeah, no kidding... The fact that this wasn't released is a huge loss for the world of rock music. But, let's see what the future brings. We can only hope that there will be some 70s releases. God, I really should stop smokin.... Anyway, thanks again for this great recording; what a treasure! |
| The King Of Rhye 17.10.2007 00:22 |
I must say thanks for this as well (more FLAC on Mediafire, gotta love it!) Hmm......so both Rainbow shows were thought of as possible releases....(excuse me, the other Rainbow show WAS released!).....I cant think of it now, but wasnt there one other Queen show that was intended to be officially released but never was? Earls Court was it? Ah, what coulda been... |
| The King Of Rhye 17.10.2007 00:30 |
Just listening to this first part of this now....the sound is awesome! I love bootlegs in which you can clearly hear the bass guitar and drums :) |
| The Real Wizard 17.10.2007 01:02 |
The King Of Rhye wrote: Just listening to this first part of this now....the sound is awesome! I love bootlegs in which you can clearly hear the bass guitar and drums :)Just a technical note... this definitely isn't a bootleg. It's very close to the master tape. It's a bootleg when it's pressed onto CD by a company and sold for profit. Bootlegs, RoIOs, pirates, and counterfeits are all very different things. :) |
| pittrek 17.10.2007 01:35 |
So what is this, to be precise ? RoIo ? |
| The Real Wizard 17.10.2007 11:53 |
pittrek wrote: So what is this, to be precise ? RoIo ?Indeed! Any concert or studio recording not released by the band or a bootleg label is a RoIO (recording of indeterminate origin)... the only exceptions being pirates and counterfeits of the official releases. |
| on my way up 18.10.2007 14:28 |
thanks, you made me very happy! |
| mrdata1968 18.10.2007 15:22 |
This is an absolute different mix comparred to the vinyl version. FANTASTIC!!!!! There's also 2 track video version of this gig. |
| vivequeen 22.10.2007 14:22 |
MERCI BEAUCOUP |
| Mr Mercury 22.10.2007 19:16 |
Overdubbed or not I have to say a massive thank you to the person who shared this and to Sir GH for all the facinating info. |
| dogwithabone 22.10.2007 19:28 |
Many thanks! |
| kudilja 25.10.2007 14:28 |
hi! please, is there some artwork available for this concert? thanks! |
| Shadowjack 28.11.2007 03:45 |
Thanx a million for sharing this masterpiece ;o) I've been turning the internet inside out looking for the march 1974 concert (like a needle in a haystack) untill a collector pointed me towards Queenzone (thanx!). I had this concert on vinyl a long time ago, LP named Sheetkeeckers, probably released 1975/1976, along with A Night At The Opera, or at least that's when I found and bought it at the local record store (back then bootleg LP's were all over the place here, usually in a white cartboard sleeve, wrapped in plastic together with bad print on a one-color paper sheet lol). Unfortunately I lost almost all my vinyl over the years. I did manage to 'get' the recordings from N*pster when it was still free, but quality was poor and got even worse when I had to recover the files after a harddisk crash. I consider this to be the mother of all bootlegs and the heaviest (good quality) Queen recording ever. Here is where the (already asked) question pops up; is there any artwork available for this concert/CD/tape/whatever? I'd be much obliged, not planning on pressing my own CD's, I'm just a Sucker For Sheetkeeckers, and other early 70's (good quality) material of course ;o) TIA! -=SJ=- |
| gnomo 28.11.2007 04:47 |
Cygnus X-1 wrote: This one shurely beats my "Sheetkickers" version. I always loved this recording, even it's incomplete, it's a true adrenaline fueled tour-de-force! Very raw and high energy... thanks to the kind people here, the beauty of live recordings is slowly warming on me, while I am sort of dicovering Queen backwards in time... Very grateful for this, and looking forward to listening! |
| The Real Wizard 28.11.2007 10:05 |
Shadowjack wrote: is there any artwork available for this concert/CD/tape/whatever? I'd be much obliged, not planning on pressing my own CD's, I'm just a Sucker For Sheetkeeckers, and other early 70's (good quality) material of course ;o)Great post. Welcome to Queenzone, Jack. Since this isn't a bootleg release, it's best that we don't create artwork for it, so that it's not misinterpreted as being a bootleg release. However, this recording was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour, and it sounds virtually identical to this. Unfortunately I haven't found high-res artwork for that release. |
| Eric Taylor 28.11.2007 13:39 |
Thank's ! Very good record ! |
| Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon 31.01.2008 06:22 |
Thank you very much! |
| queenside 01.02.2008 17:11 |
thanks for this one, queen's heaviest and rawest moment! |
| Ka Pepe 03.02.2008 02:07 |
THANX! |
| deleted user 28.05.2009 07:34 |
Thanks for this For anyone still interested I'm amongst others currently seeding this at thetradersden as the original mediafire links appear to be dead now. |
| goa 28.05.2009 09:44 |
I dl the one in the 33 GB best of the bets pf pittrek txt says Recording length: 37 minutes (1 CD, incomplete) Quality: A+ Source: Soundboard Lineage: Soundboard Master > ? > Cassette (normal bias) > WAV > CDR (1) > WAV (gap in SAD filled in with video source) Track listing: Procession, Father To Son, Ogre Battle, Son And Daughter, Keep Yourself Alive, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll, Liar This is a pre-LP copy in superb quality, which renders all LP versions to be obsolete, as well as all of the old silvers, because they are sourced from the many LPs (namely Sheetkeeckers, the very first Queen bootleg, which came out in early 1975). I filled in a few brief gaps with an LP source. This version was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour. This soundboard recording (multi-track, to be precise) clearly contains numerous vocal overdubs, most notably a bit over 3 minutes into Liar when you can clearly hear a line sung by Freddie (the "time after time" line), and the next line begins before the previous one has ended. Keeping the overdubs in mind, along with the fact that it's mixed perfectly, the between-song segments are edited, and that it's 37 minutes long, I'd like to suggest the possibility that this may have once been considered to be a live album by the band and ultimately shelved. For years, it has been said that the power went out during Liar, but people concluded that it couldn't have been this show since the song continued without interruption on the recording. But if you consider all the overdubs and edits already present on the recording we have, why can't there be yet another one? It didn't came with ffp. I made one ; flac fingerprint file generated by Trader's Little Helper ; generated on May 28, 2009, at 09:35:59 01 - Procession.flac:034f60917ddd6a37b91a37550488431a 02 - Father To Son.flac:63a1e4cd828fcf5f39daf753e69e3831 03 - Ogre Battle.flac:7d176f9bbdf244d8d66dfe9f4c9df262 04 - Son And Daughter.flac:42b89ef86a1446bd8e8ff9afd0e31938 05 - Keep Yourself Alive.flac:5aee54ab926e1fdacd6c6e8a9c8f906f 06 - Seven Seas Of Rhye.flac:39c826d4a6b7c8ab5bf67e65de134d94 07 - Modern Times Rock'n'roll.flac:18f5dfb8524cc915708ad063648d2de0 08 - Liar.flac:b4000a164565dfca7c44bb5cfbfc04b6 the one in TTD says Queen London, UK 31st March, 1974 Here we have the March show from the Rainbow Theatre in London, 1974. This is the Rare pre LP version, I recently aquired it in a trade (thanks again!) and decided to share it around. This is a fantastic upgrade to the LP source, the most complete version and the quality is EX! Enjoy... Rainbow Theatre, London, UK - 31st March 1974 (Pre LP) Quality: EX Setlist: 1. Procession (1.09) 2. Father To Son (5.52) 3. Ogre Battle (4.59) 4. Son And Daughter (7.30) 5. Keep Yourself Alive (4.12) 6. Seven Seas Of Rhye (2.59) 7. Modern Times Rock'n'Roll (2.47) 8. Liar (7.38) cdr>EAC>wav>flac (L8) Comment from Sir GH: "This tape originally came from a cassette tape that an American collector acquired in 1980. It seems it is exactly the tape that was used for all of the LPs. I was the first one to get it, and was thrilled at how good the quality was! Someone filled in a few small gaps with an LP source, but I smoothed out the edits... and that exact version was bootlegged as "Majestic Rock" by Wardour. So, *someone* we know sent it to them, because it wasn't shared anywhere online that I know of. But I'm glad you shared it... this is one of the best documents of Queen "live", and I say that in quotations since there are plenty of vocal overdubs on it." 01 Procession.flac:15fc9088145220383d413f078c734201 02 Father To Son.flac:6eb9ef24856f4974e020f7b182acf9ce 03 Ogre Battle.flac:176a4c9e84307fe69d69607a5ffb3dac 04 Son And Daughter.flac:c6f281c8f18833a131d7ab17bc77f0f0 05 Keep Yourself Alive.flac:34987383ad4810e7fd3423c6f1522713 06 Seven Seas Of Rhye.flac:e1bdd2696b1697872bbbda16059d5361 07 Modern Times Rock 'n' Roll.flac:e97cc018355aed401f36b6b5b67deae2 08 Liar.flac:5ca2b9d24e62ab35c654c3235df9782c this was first uploaded at QZ and then in TTD, right? the ffp maybe are not the same cause maybe someone made FLAC > CD > FLAC ? I'm not such a purist...so if it's the same, just different FLACs, I think I'm OK with what I have already. thanks in advance |
| deleted user 31.05.2009 08:29 |
Perhaps someone else can answer that, as I have no idea [img=/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif][/img] |
| pittrek 31.05.2009 08:35 |
Hi goa, I can try to answer it. I have received the compilation in a trade as audio cds, and ripped them to WAV and encoded to FLAC level 8. That's what I've uploaded, I have no idea what Mr. Mean Ketchup uploaded, but it's definitely not the same thing as I did |
| goa 31.05.2009 14:50 |
thanks for the answer. In pittrek We trust :lol: |