| mabseyuk 30.09.2007 17:56 |
I have the master tapes for Wembley 1986. On these you hear how Freddie really sounds at the Wembley show, the one where he doesn't really hit the high notes on most of the songs as they were overdubbed. Is this rare? or is this in the General community now? Mabsey |
| Penetration_Guru 30.09.2007 19:10 |
Surely the perosn with the master knows how many people he's distributed it to previously |
| Harry_queenrecordings 01.10.2007 03:48 |
Is your recording complete?? There are already a few original pressed bootleg releases with those unedited songs from Wembley, but they are all not complete. |
| tilomagnet 01.10.2007 03:51 |
An audience master, right? |
| pittrek 01.10.2007 09:35 |
More info would be nice |
| The Real Wizard 01.10.2007 10:38 |
If you're talking about the audience master, then it would be most welcome. :) The second generation tape has circulated quite well. |
| mabseyuk 10.10.2007 19:25 |
I was just going through a collection of tapes I had from 10 years+ and came across 2 tapes labelled Wembley Master Tapes from Soundeck. Quality is obivousley very very good. Everything sounds complete, any song in particular I should check? Mabsey |
| Penetration_Guru 11.10.2007 03:10 |
Well, the first thing I'd like to know is which night it is, so how about listening to GSTQ to see if Freddie says anything about putting up with the rain. |
| mabseyuk 11.10.2007 18:43 |
It's definately the 12th of July Version, the one you can get on video. Except on the video for example for one vision: Freddie: Look what they've done to my dream Sung in a high sounding voice Soundeck - Dont get anywhere near the note he sings on the DVD / Video. Same for a lot of songs i.e. Hammer to Fall Radio GaGa Who wants to live forever Friends will be Friends We are the Champions So I take it for the Video, they went back in the Studio and over dubbed the parts he didn't sing to well on the day? Mabsey |
| The Real Wizard 12.10.2007 02:20 |
Yeah, it seems that you have a tape from the radio broadcast... probably copied from one of the dozens of bootleg cds. Like you said, it reveals all the places where overdubs were made. Not such a good night for Freddie, was it? He was even worse in Zurich at the beginning of the month. |
| Harry_queenrecordings 12.10.2007 02:30 |
If it is complete, then it would be great! Can you please check if the recording is complete? |
| Penetration_Guru 12.10.2007 15:20 |
If it's the radio broadcast, it's not complete -there will be fade ins and outs for the commercial breaks |
| pittrek 13.10.2007 07:02 |
Some people here would be gratefull even for the radio broadcast :) It shouldn't be a problem to replace the missing parts with the official release. Did anybody try to do it ? |
| mabseyuk 13.10.2007 09:21 |
There is no fade in and fade outs so I dont think this is the radio release. I take it because this was an official release, I'm not allowed to share this? Mabsey |
| pittrek 13.10.2007 10:05 |
I'm afraid not, but if you're interested for trading it, pittrek@hotmail.com is the correct address :-) |
| wstüssyb 19.10.2007 12:26 |
Let me know if you are willing to trade this :) |
| pittrek 28.10.2007 12:54 |
Mabsey, could you please send me an e-mail ? :-) pittrek@hotmail.com |
| Satriani 08.05.2009 17:21 |
I have a recording of the TV broadcast (on VHS) that was shown at the same time as the radio broadcast if anyone's interested. |
| pittrek 09.05.2009 03:57 |
Satriani wrote: I have a recording of the TV broadcast (on VHS) that was shown at the same time as the radio broadcast if anyone's interested. Does it contain the overdubs or is it the "real" concert ? Is it complete ? |
| Satriani 09.05.2009 06:48 |
It is the original broadcast that I recorded from the TV (channel 4 I think). I haven't watched it in many years but it won't have the overdubs (which were added a few years later I believe when it was released on VHS). It is complete only in the sense that the original TV broadcast was not complete as a few songs were edited out (I can watch it again and give you a song list if you want). Hope this answers your question. |
| pittrek 09.05.2009 07:31 |
I'm actually searching for In The Lap Of The Gods ...revisited Who Wants To Live Forever Gimme Some Lovin Big Spender Radio Ga Ga We Will Rock You and Friends Will Be Friends without the overdubs of course. Does the TV broadcast include these songs ? |
| Satriani 09.05.2009 10:07 |
I've just check the tape. It was shown on channel 4 by a programme called The Tube. The broadcast set list is: One vision Tie your mother down In the lap of the gods Seven seas of rhye (ads) A kind of magic Under pressure Another one bites the dust Who wants to live forever (ads) I want to break free Is this the world we created Tutti frutti + reprise Bohemian rhapsody (ads) Hammer to fall Crazy little thing called love Radio gaga (ads) We will rock you Friends will be friends We are the champions God save the Queen (over credits) I'm quite sure it doesn't have the overdubs (for example, there are no extra harmony vocals on who wants to live forever which are on the official version I think) The quality is quite good considering it's been in the cupboard for 20 years. Hope this helps. |
| pittrek 09.05.2009 10:12 |
Would it be possible for you to rip the audio to some lossless format ? |
| Satriani 09.05.2009 10:18 |
Absolutely - but only if you can tell me how - I'm not all that fantastic with sound equipment and file types (I'm not sure, for example, what types of format are actually lossless) |
| pittrek 09.05.2009 11:41 |
Satriani wrote: Absolutely - but only if you can tell me how - I'm not all that fantastic with sound equipment and file types (I'm not sure, for example, what types of format are actually lossless) It's quite easy but it really depends on what hardware you have. Your VHS player does have some sort of "audio output" - at least the output for the speakers you use, those can be external or TV speakers . Your PC has definitely some sort of "audio input" - usually there are 2 different input "holes" on your soundcard - "Line In" and "Microphone". The fastest way is to connect your "line out" of your VCR (if it has something like that) with the "line in" of your sound card with a standard cable which you can buy in standard video-related shops. If you have a video camcorder, you can try this : link Or check this : link Ignore the equipment, the connection is always the same. And if you want to capture only the audio, you can ignore all video connections Record the sound in lossless format - WAV / FLAC / APE ... |
| absento 17.05.2009 15:29 |
anything new? |
| deleted user 17.05.2009 17:25 |
Not 100% sure but I think this was broadcast in the UK on TV and FM radio at the same time. I think I attempted to record on betamax in linear stereo (from both sources at once) but there was a slight delay with the audio. Will look into this and come back. |
| pittrek 18.05.2009 09:20 |
kurgan100 wrote: Not 100% sure but I think this was broadcast in the UK on TV and FM radio at the same time. I think I attempted to record on betamax in linear stereo (from both sources at once) but there was a slight delay with the audio. Will look into this and come back. Great |
| deleted user 18.05.2009 14:12 |
pittrek wrote:kurgan100 wrote: Not 100% sure but I think this was broadcast in the UK on TV and FM radio at the same time. I think I attempted to record on betamax in linear stereo (from both sources at once) but there was a slight delay with the audio. Will look into this and come back.Great Not so great, looked high and low and the only conclusion is I tossed the tape when it was released officially. Perhaps somebody has the original UK FM broadcast in better quality anyway? |
| aion 18.05.2009 15:54 |
Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later? |
| pittrek 19.05.2009 02:03 |
aion wrote: Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later? Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks |
| aion 19.05.2009 08:40 |
pittrek wrote:aion wrote: Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime. Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs? |
| on my way up 19.05.2009 09:10 |
aion wrote:pittrek wrote:I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album. I want to have a version of this show without the overdubs. Is there any chance anyone could help me? Unfortunately the genuine Wembley concert can't be uploaded to here or to Dime. Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?aion wrote: Wasn't Wembley first released on CD and video in 1992? So exactly when did Freddie do the overdubs? Had they already decided in 1986 that they would release Wembley on CD and video 6 years later?Why do you think Freddie did the overdubs himself ? They had many different recordings of his voice from both studio and live multitracks I think the radio version of Wembley can be uploaded here(different soruce than the official release). Given the fact Pittrek is trying to get the entire show and given the fact he has uploaded many wonderful things he has created before I think you might be lucky some time soon:-) |
| The Real Wizard 19.05.2009 12:22 |
aion wrote: I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets. Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs? Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone. |
| on my way up 19.05.2009 12:38 |
Sir GH wrote:aion wrote: I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone. @aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference. They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show. In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage) |
| aion 20.05.2009 11:05 |
Sir GH wrote:aion wrote: I don't know, but either way it means that Live at Wembley isn't a real live album.Just like practically every other live album ever made. Compared to The Song Remains The Same or Kiss Alive, Wembley is about as real as it gets.Has there been any Queen or Queen-related live release that hasn't had overdubs?Actually, yes... the Tokyo 82/85 videos sound pure to me. I haven't compared them note to note, but after listening to the audience recording from 82 and the radio broadcast from 85, I can conclude relatively safely that no vocals were redone. And that's only sad, that's all I can say. Live albums shouldn't be released at all if bands can't be honest about them. But what about Queen's Live Aid performance? And also the half-official live albums of The Cross, the "official bootlegs" from Astoria, London 1990 and Düsseldorf 1991? Do you know if those were also overdubbed? How much overdubbing is there on the recently released Milton Keynes 1982 live album? |
| aion 20.05.2009 11:30 |
on my way up wrote: @aion: The little mistakes that are corrected on Queen releases do usually not make that much of a difference. They had to do the overdubbing on Wembley because Freddie's voice was in pretty poor shape, unlike many other Magic tour shows. You can still hear he was hoarse at Wembley, also on the offiicial release. The result is that some high notes he hits are totally in contradiction with other easier lines he misses. But it's still a live release to me:-) In my opinion it's even too honest, I'd rather have seen them record and release a better show. In that regard I've always feIt it would have been more logic to promote Budapest as the big Queen show(or Knebworth but they didn't choose that one for obvious reasons, being a lack of video footage) I've said it before but I don't think there are "mistakes" in live performances. If you forget a lyric or play a wrong chord or can't reach a high note, so what. They are just unique characteristics of that particular performance and not something that needs to be later fixed in the studio. I agree that Freddie's voice doesn't sound good at Wembley, I mean his voice doesn't sound good even on the official release which is the "corrected" version. But if they wanted to release a show with a good vocal performance from him, they should have recorded several concerts during the tour and then picked the one on which Freddie's voice sounds the best, and then released that show without any overdubbing. |
| pittrek 20.05.2009 12:17 |
There is one famous overdub in Milton Keynes -> in Fat Bottomed Girls Freddie sings "this locality" completely differently |
| Satriani 25.05.2009 07:42 |
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you about this (I'm very busy at the moment!). I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously). Am I allowed to post this here?? P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak. |
| pittrek 25.05.2009 08:05 |
Satriani wrote: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you about this (I'm very busy at the moment!). I have some good news and some bad. I have finished capturing the audio from the VHS of the original TV broadcast in 1986 (thanks for the instructions). The bad news is that it is in mono (for some reason I only recorded the TV programme in mono!!) and the sound is not terribly good but at least it should serve as a guide for what was actually broadcast - just to be clear, this copy contains exactly what was broadcast on the radio (as they were broadcast simultaneously). Am I allowed to post this here?? P.S. I definitely recorded the radio broadcast at the same time but unfortunately lent this tape to a friend of mine about 10 years ago and never got it back. He is looking for it as we speak. Hi Satriani, thanks for your reply. Trust me, I know very well what busy means :-) I really hope that your friend finds the radio broadcast, if no I'd be definitely interested even in the mono TV broadcast if it's OK to share it here |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2009 12:30 |
I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here. This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here. Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released. Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue. |
| on my way up 25.05.2009 12:42 |
Sir GH wrote: I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here. This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here. Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released. Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason. I entirely agree with you! |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2009 12:44 |
Another bit of food for thought... Official releases are often broadcast on TV, so millions of people can potentially watch something instead of buying it. Of course the band gets their cut, but really, what's the difference between having it on TV at 8pm or being available to download to watch it on your own time? The same question goes for movies being shown on TV, or even songs on the radio. Or am I missing something? |
| pittrek 25.05.2009 13:12 |
Well I fully agree with you, but we definitely need Richard's or at least Barbara's OK. Especially when this site is being visited by "QP employees" |
| pittrek 25.05.2009 13:22 |
Sir GH wrote: I can't see why it shouldn't be shared here. This is a great chance for us to truly analyze why the rule for official material is in place. My thinking is that they don't want to discourage people from buying the official material if it's available here. Tracks from the actual Wembley DVD are on Youtube, so surely there are people who watch a couple tracks there and ultimately don't buy it. But from what I can see, the only people interested in this TV broadcast version of Wembley are those who want to compare it to the DVD they purchased, probably on the first day it was released. Or is there something else to it? I understand the need for rules, but as long as there's a rational reason, such as not cutting into the band's revenue. From what I've hear people from QP are relatively tollerant against things like sharing of unofficial recordings or YouTube videos. But you're right, I can't imagine who else could be interested in a TV broadcast of an officially released recording other then people interested in finding out "what was added" |
| Satriani 25.05.2009 14:10 |
I've just downloaded "A day at the stadium" from Queenzone just to make a comparison with my copy from the TV broadcast. Since I'm not an expert in this can I ask if this was supposed to be taken from the original radio broadcast? I only ask since I've just listened to One vision and there are clearly improvements/overdubs(?) on "A day at the stadium". Have I just downloaded the wrong thing? |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2009 14:28 |
Satriani wrote: I've just downloaded "A day at the stadium" from Queenzone just to make a comparison with my copy from the TV broadcast. Since I'm not an expert in this can I ask if this was supposed to be taken from the original radio broadcast? I only ask since I've just listened to One vision and there are clearly improvements/overdubs(?) on "A day at the stadium". Have I just downloaded the wrong thing? As far as I can tell, A Day At The Stadium is taken from an early radio broadcast. What exactly is different from your video, other than the running speed? Some of the songs on that bootleg run a tad slow. |
| Satriani 25.05.2009 14:40 |
I've only listened to one vision so far but the way Freddie sings some of the lines is very different on my video, in particularly the section just before the guitar solo is very different - it is sung with more power on A day at the stadium. |
| pittrek 25.05.2009 14:44 |
Could you upload your One Vision so we can compare ? |
| on my way up 25.05.2009 15:12 |
Really interesting! I'd really like a 'raw' versionof Wembley that is as complete as possible. |
| Satriani 25.05.2009 15:49 |
The following links should be correct. I’ve included the version from “A day at the stadium” in case I’ve downloaded a fake copy so could you please check if it really is from this bootleg. As I think I’ve already said, the main difference is just before the guitar solo. From the video link From “A day at the stadium” link Hope this helps and that I’ve not been wasting everyone’s time. (PS - I apologise in advance for the relatively poor quality of my transfer) |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2009 16:03 |
Yours has the overdubs. It sounds like it was a TV broadcast of the 1990 official video release. The track listing you gave is the same as the video release too. Are you sure your video tape is from the 80s? |
| Satriani 25.05.2009 16:21 |
I am 100% it's from the 80's. The tape isn't one that I bought - I recorded it myself from channel 4 in the summer of 1986. |
| The Real Wizard 27.05.2009 02:02 |
If that's the case, then it seems that what you taped off TV in 1986 is exactly what was released on home video in 1990. |
| Satriani 27.05.2009 08:37 |
I would have to agree. I have checked my video tapes and I am absolutely certain that I recorded this around September/October of 1986 - my videotape collection is a bit like looking at the rings in a tree as it gives an accurate record of what I was interested in from around 1983 onwards as I recorded what interested me off the TV - I never erased or taped over anything! On one side of this gig I have recorded an appearance of Bon Jovi on the programme 'Top of the Pops' performing You give love a bad name (released late 1986) and on the other side of it is a live performance of Bon Jovi on the programme 'The Tube' which I have dated as November 1986. This leads me to believe that the overdubs must have been recorded in 1986 as this is must be a recording of the very first airplay this received on TV (I remember the excitement I felt seeing this for the first time). I apologise if I got your hopes up but I didn't realise how early the overdubs must have been made. I presume that the recording I made of the radio simulcast must also have the overdubs. I have done a little research and have found some websites that claim the this gig was broadcast live (not a few months later) on Capital Radio station in London - could this broadcast be the source of the 'A day at the stadium' recording? |
| The Real Wizard 27.05.2009 11:52 |
Thanks a lot for all the information, Mr. Satch... it paints a much clearer picture now. Where exactly did you read about the show being broadcast live? Either way, it makes perfect sense, as it is now very clear that the mixing and overdubs were hastily done in the studio after the tour for the October simulcast. That said... surely someone must have taped this complete broadcast off the radio. Hopefully it'll pop up some day. Have a look at the Wembley listing my website now, and let me know what you think about its accuracy. |
| pittrek 27.05.2009 12:20 |
SirGH - I just want to add to the page that the European version of the 2003 "remastered" release didn't feature bonus tracks from Budapest, only songs from Wembley Satriani - thanks a lot for your time |
| The Real Wizard 28.05.2009 13:21 |
pittrek wrote: SirGH - I just want to add to the page that the European version of the 2003 "remastered" release didn't feature bonus tracks from Budapest, only songs from Wembley Duly noted... thanks! |