| Penetration_Guru 21.09.2007 20:22 |
Apologies for the scattergun nature of these comments, but I just got back from the cinema and have a plane to catch, so the quicker I get this down the better... 1. It looks fucking phenomenal, as you'd expect from a show filmed in 70mm. Those of you with HD equipment will be knocked out by the clarity. I especially like the side view of RT during IILWMC. 2. Why is Jailhouse Rock still in the wrong place? It would fit perfectly well between bo Rhap & AOBTD and would give better continuity (clothing & equipment - Brian's clothing and Freddie's CLTCL mikestand, which can clearly be seen being carried off AFTER Jailhouse Rock (possibly twice) 3. All the encores are from the same night, as can be identified by the front row of the crowd 9once they're up and at the stage 4. The crowd sound was always going to be contentious. Queen will say that the new louder crowd is more representative, but there will be many who think it's been boosted beyond what actually happened - as it is now, it sounds as though plenty sing along with LOML, but Freddie still says "don't know it, huh" half way through, and sings it all. There is always applause and cheering to be heard, but when we see the audience (which happens more often than I remembered), many are sitting down, barely applauding and visibly making little noise. I dunno - instinctively I think it's MORE representative now, but still not quite "right" 5. It's hard to know whther the reverb on Freddie's voice throughout was a trick of me not sitting in the sweet spot of the surround (unless I fluked it, which seems unlikely), or a trick to beef up the sound. Hopefully it's the former as I think it's an excellent performance - the clarity of the softer vocals seemed much higher (stuff like Save Me) 6. If the band have multi channel audio form both nights, surely they therefore know pretty well which song is from which night, dropped in shots notwithstanding? It would be nice to know 7. how many drum solos can a man have and still decry them? 8. Ignoring Jailhouse Rock, there are two encores, yet the way it's cut it seems like they just ripped straight through all the tracks. It would have felt more natural to me if there had been a few more seconds before AOBTD, and before WWRY...just to give the impression of time passing - presumably they have audio (or could drop some crowd noise in - who'd know?), screen would be black at this point anyway...maybe that's a little controversial I'm sure there were other points I wanted to make, but I can't remember them. See what others think... |
| PieterMC 21.09.2007 21:40 |
The main question I have is does it look much better than the last US DVD release? |
| The Real Wizard 22.09.2007 01:47 |
And what about the sound quality and mix? That's really the only thing that may potentially make this "new". |
| NTL 22.09.2007 07:52 |
PieterMC wrote: The main question I have is does it look much better than the last US DVD release?Honestly, how can you expect this to look better that the last release? thats as good as its gonna get. Yep what about the sound??? |
| write your letters in the sand 22.09.2007 12:20 |
P_G wrote: 7. how many drum solos can a man have and still decry them? Spot on! |
| Bobby_brown 22.09.2007 17:57 |
Thank God for that quiet audience. I mean, it´s bad for the band, but we get to hear and see the best live performance of LOML, and in the right night. Frddie´s voice was on fire. Take care |
| Adam Baboolal 22.09.2007 20:55 |
I don't get it. He posted a review bigging up BOTH picture and audio from the HD version, it seems! Just note the part about Roger's bit. And he even highlighted audio examples where it's better, i.e. Save me. Of course it's better than the last US release. How could it not be?? Adam. |
| PieterMC 22.09.2007 21:36 |
I really don't see how the picture could be much better than the last DVD. |
| john bodega 23.09.2007 01:14 |
PieterMC wrote: I really don't see how the picture could be much better than the last DVD.This DVD is so detailed you can see the KS, years before they started forming. Just like on Live Aid. In some shots, you can also see the KY... |
| beautifulsoup 23.09.2007 17:28 |
Zebonka12 wrote:O_oPieterMC wrote: I really don't see how the picture could be much better than the last DVD.This DVD is so detailed you can see the KS, years before they started forming. Just like on Live Aid. In some shots, you can also see the KY... |
| Tero 23.09.2007 23:51 |
Zebonka12 wrote:Will I see this on my television as well, or do I need to watch it from a 50' screen?PieterMC wrote: I really don't see how the picture could be much better than the last DVD.This DVD is so detailed you can see the KS, years before they started forming. Just like on Live Aid. In some shots, you can also see the KY... |
| KevoM 24.09.2007 07:53 |
PieterMC wrote: I really don't see how the picture could be much better than the last DVD.You've obviously never heard of High def DVD then? This is what PG has based his review on, in fact it's based on the high def cinema release currently doing teh rounds in a few cinemas in the UK, so even this should blow away a domestic DVD AND HD-DVD/Blu Ray version. |
| kohuept 25.09.2007 18:02 |
Thanks for the review. I have to ask, though... In the back of my mind, I'm sure that Freddie was commenting on the fact that the audience didn't seem to know the words to LOML. I wonder why no-one has ever mentioned the possibility of him, sort of, reinforcing the "You don't know what it means to me" line of the song. Again, I'm not arguing that this is truth, but does anyone else think it could be a possibility - especially after this review of the new sound mix? |
| saltnvinegar 25.09.2007 18:57 |
kohuept wrote: Thanks for the review. I have to ask, though... In the back of my mind, I'm sure that Freddie was commenting on the fact that the audience didn't seem to know the words to LOML. I wonder why no-one has ever mentioned the possibility of him, sort of, reinforcing the "You don't know what it means to me" line of the song. Again, I'm not arguing that this is truth, but does anyone else think it could be a possibility - especially after this review of the new sound mix?When I first watched it, I only heard sarcasm and bitterness in his voice, I honestly don't think he was just reinforcing the lyrics. Besides, after he said it, he turns to Brian and does a kind of 'just you and me then?' gesture. The one plus point, as another poster has mentioned, is that we get to hear the most amazing performance of LOML, his voice was absolutely perfect on this one-just a shame the crowd probably didn't appreciate it. |
| thunderbolt 31742 26.09.2007 01:39 |
kohuept wrote: Thanks for the review. I have to ask, though... In the back of my mind, I'm sure that Freddie was commenting on the fact that the audience didn't seem to know the words to LOML. I wonder why no-one has ever mentioned the possibility of him, sort of, reinforcing the "You don't know what it means to me" line of the song. Again, I'm not arguing that this is truth, but does anyone else think it could be a possibility - especially after this review of the new sound mix?It's an argument you could make, *except* for one eensy-weensy little fact: Queen never played LOML in North America again during Freddie's lifetime. That, to me, says that people in North America genuinely did not know the song well enough to take over, and Freddie therefore didn't see the point in continuing to sing it. |
| pow wow 26.09.2007 03:36 |
Watched it myself last night in Wigan. Have to say the picture was truly phenomenal!! The detail was amazing. I don't remember so many extreme close-ups as before, will check. It's as if they were able to zoom in to the reel because the quality of the picture will remain. I agree about the crowd close-ups, there wasnt as many before. The more obvious overdubs have been removed which is a good thing. The sound has been vastly improved, more of a full feeling to it and I don't think the additional crowd noises make the concert unbelievable. Brian's solo did sound a bit special with his delays echoing around the theatre. Only complaint is that the theatre could have done with playing it louder. Also they wouldnt give me a promo poster when asked - they'll be rare! Would love to see the HD version when it's out. |
| Roger's Beard 26.09.2007 04:52 |
Yeah, I notice that in the UK it's only playing at "Empire Cinemas", all of which are in the blinkin south of the country! The North/South divide still exists! |
| Roger's Beard 26.09.2007 04:58 |
pow wow wrote: Brian's solo did sound a bit special with his delays echoing around the theatre.So is it a typical Queen release? Dull surround sound (crowd etc) until Brian's guitar solo which suddenly blossoms from all speakers and once finished the surround sound becomes dull again? (Wembley, Milton keynes, Sheffield 05....) Freddies voice drowned out by guitar is it? Roger's drums relegated to the background? There's a bit of standard going on isn't there: Brian's suddenly the dominant sound. |
| Adam Baboolal 26.09.2007 07:37 |
Is "suddenly" the dominant sound?? What videos have you been watching over the years? If it's higher than previous video releases, then I might believe that claim. I was amazed at the overall -sound- of the 2005 Q+PR dvd release. Every member of the band sounded great. Maybe Mr JSS' mixing style is just not to your liking. I know some here don't like what he does with Roger's snare sound. Adam. |
| Mr. Scully 26.09.2007 07:55 |
I definitely don't like the sound of Roger's snares. Don't know if that's how it's mixed or how the drums are tuned but the sound is sooo weak... |
| pow wow 26.09.2007 08:22 |
pootle1 wrote: Yeah, I notice that in the UK it's only playing at "Empire Cinemas", all of which are in the blinkin south of the country! The North/South divide still exists!Do you know where Wigan is?!? I actually agree with you about Brian's sound having been given a boost of late e.g. MK Bowl & ROTC etc. I don't know if it's for selfish reasons or not but I do prefer it to the likes of Rio which I watched on TV the other week and could hardly hear him. Freddie is NOT drowned out at Montreal. In fact I'd say all instruments/vocals have the sound 'up front' giving great balance and clarity. |
| Rompez 26.09.2007 09:07 |
What about John? Does the bass line have the prominence in the mix or blured out as usual? |
| NTL 26.09.2007 09:17 |
Dont agree about the guitar level being too high. I think the level on MK is way too low! Watch the Jap show on disc 2 thats a bit better, Queen were a rock band for goodness sake! |
| Roger's Beard 26.09.2007 15:20 |
pow wow wrote: [/QUOTENAME Do you know where Wigan is?!?Obviously not! Didn't realise it was near Manchester. Oh how silly I feel now :0) |
| Adam Baboolal 27.09.2007 05:51 |
pootle1 wrote:That's still more than bloody half way down the country for me! So I still agree and say it's in the south! The cinemas are not properly spread out are they?pow wow wrote: [/QUOTENAME Do you know where Wigan is?!?Obviously not! Didn't realise it was near Manchester. Oh how silly I feel now :0) Adam. |
| cmsdrums 27.09.2007 15:52 |
It says that on the disc 'extras' there is a 'before and after' comparison to show the new restoration. Does anyone know if the 'before' clips are from the original VHS release, or from the more recent US DVD releases. I can only imagine it is from the VHS originals, although that does seem a bit pointless as this will obviously be improved upon purely because of the technology available now - it would be interesting however if the comparisons are with the US DVD releases, to see how much they have really improved it as opposed to it being a rehash |
| pow wow 27.09.2007 19:29 |
Adam Baboolal wrote:Half way down the country!!! You're from Scotland so it may be half way down BRITAIN to you. Wigan is the North, end of. I wouldnt go to Wigan and accuse them of being a southerner - you wouldnt get out alive.pootle1 wrote:That's still more than bloody half way down the country for me! So I still agree and say it's in the south! The cinemas are not properly spread out are they? Adam.pow wow wrote: [/QUOTENAME Do you know where Wigan is?!?Obviously not! Didn't realise it was near Manchester. Oh how silly I feel now :0) |
| Roger's Beard 27.09.2007 19:46 |
I wouldn't go to Wigan! :) |
| Daniel Nester 27.09.2007 21:36 |
7. how many drum solos can a man have and still decry them? This made me snort my evening decaf tea. |
| GiantSpider 28.09.2007 17:59 |
pow wow wrote:You've obviously never seen the toon ultras then.Adam Baboolal wrote:Half way down the country!!! You're from Scotland so it may be half way down BRITAIN to you. Wigan is the North, end of. I wouldnt go to Wigan and accuse them of being a southerner - you wouldnt get out alive.pootle1 wrote:That's still more than bloody half way down the country for me! So I still agree and say it's in the south! The cinemas are not properly spread out are they? Adam.pow wow wrote: [/QUOTENAME Do you know where Wigan is?!?Obviously not! Didn't realise it was near Manchester. Oh how silly I feel now :0) |
| Penetration_Guru 30.09.2007 19:16 |
So just two of us watching it then? it was a single viewing at midnight, so apologies for not spotting every nuance of change against previous editions (especially the relative prominence of the guitar) - I didn't notice any point at which Freddie's voice went missing. |
| NTL 01.10.2007 15:56 |
A couple of questions. 1. Is the begining of NIH on the new release? 2. Is the guitar solo complete now? |
| Penetration_Guru 02.10.2007 02:48 |
1. I doubt it, as there is famously no new footage for them to put the audio to. 2. Which notes were missing previously? |
| diesel_79c 02.10.2007 04:57 |
NTL wrote: A couple of questions. 1. Is the begining of NIH on the new release? 2. Is the guitar solo complete now?Hi, I'm an italian guy. I was at the Empire Cinema in Leicester Square two weeks ago. I saw the Queen film of course. That night I was a little bit tired and so maybe I can't remember very well, But I think to remember to have heard all the Now I'm Here song, including the missing intro... But I'm not sure... |