QueenZone discussion #1043438

Some day one day wrote: Thank you very much!! I'm having problems with the following link: link I don't know why, but it's not working and I can't download the file. can you reupload only this file, please? thanks!! ;)

ups wrote: Hi I got thoubel with this file to link I there anyone there has got that one ??

josedequeso wrote: Just downloaded the first rar file, checked the flac files, all lossy, thought I'd let everyone know. Nice share tigger, but whether you knew it was lossy or not, you should always do a check before uploading a show and passing it off as flac.

Nummer2 wrote: Do we need more proof that sharing mp3 files is bad? This is exactly what happens: 1 Once it was a lossless file 2 Then it was encoded to MP3 (for personal use, e.g.) 3 Then somebody shared it in MP3 format 4 Somebody downloaded it and burned it to a cd-r ( –> decoding to WAV) 5 Then somebody ripped the audio from the cd and encoded it to FLAC 6 Then someone shared it here, not knowing it was MP3 before Run this cycle one or two more times and we have crappy distorted soundfiles of no value.

Nummer2 wrote: Do we need more proof that sharing mp3 files is bad? This is exactly what happens: 1 Once it was a lossless file 2 Then it was encoded to MP3 (for personal use, e.g.) 3 Then somebody shared it in MP3 format 4 Somebody downloaded it and burned it to a cd-r ( –> decoding to WAV) 5 Then somebody ripped the audio from the cd and encoded it to FLAC 6 Then someone shared it here, not knowing it was MP3 before Run this cycle one or two more times and we have crappy distorted soundfiles of no value.

josedequeso wrote: Just downloaded the first rar file, checked the flac files, all lossy, thought I'd let everyone know. Nice share tigger, but whether you knew it was lossy or not, you should always do a check before uploading a show and passing it off as flac.

Cygnus X-1 wrote:

josedequeso wrote: Just downloaded the first rar file, checked the flac files, all lossy, thought I'd let everyone know. Nice share tigger, but whether you knew it was lossy or not, you should always do a check before uploading a show and passing it off as flac.

Maybe he doesn't care, or he knew it! His comments on other threads are quite disturbing, i think QZ needs some more rules about sharing music! He attacks everyone who prefer flac and now he's polluting the trading scene with mp3 sourced flac's! Please Moderators, make this a better place and ban this Ignorant!!!

on my way up wrote:

Cygnus X-1 wrote:

josedequeso wrote: Just downloaded the first rar file, checked the flac files, all lossy, thought I'd let everyone know. Nice share tigger, but whether you knew it was lossy or not, you should always do a check before uploading a show and passing it off as flac.

Maybe he doesn't care, or he knew it! His comments on other threads are quite disturbing, i think QZ needs some more rules about sharing music! He attacks everyone who prefer flac and now he's polluting the trading scene with mp3 sourced flac's! Please Moderators, make this a better place and ban this Ignorant!!!

I completely agree!

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Cygnus X-1 may be you are blind or may be you haven´t finished your primary school,read my post YOU IGNORANT,I said I HAVEN´T UPLOADED THESE FILES!just shared them,but anyway,who wants to waste time with children here?I don´t..... *YAWN* and to Mr-know-all GH(I wouldn´t call you SIR cos you´re just nobody)I don´t need the throne and I won´t upload FLAC just to get the "respect" here,I don´t need that like you,may be your life it´s too insignificant so you always need feedback "sir" and ban me I don´t care,I have a life out of here,I see you don´t,your life means critisize and bother here,but....*yawns*...I gotta go...

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: may be your life it´s too insignificant so you always need feedback "sir" and ban me I don´t care,I have a life out of here

L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: Cygnus X-1 may be you are blind or may be you haven´t finished your primary school,read my post YOU IGNORANT,I said I HAVEN´T UPLOADED THESE FILES!just shared them,but anyway,who wants to waste time with children here?I don´t.....

pow wow wrote: In defence of Tiger. The guy has shared more gigs here over the years than most people. OK most of them are MP3, but that doesnt detract from his generosity.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

pow wow wrote: I have done my research. Out of all the major bands, Queen has had the fewest number of new unofficial recordings emerge in the last ten years. This place is largely to blame. If Queenzone adopted quality standards, Queen collectors would start to gain respect in the wider collecting world, something which at the moment we have little of, if any at all. Yes, there is a collecting world outside of this website. Many downloaders still think these new recordings magically pop out of the sky.

interesting!thanks
I often visit the traders' den and over there people share lots of great shows. I can advice everyone to go there and check it out! You will see that there are many people who have interesting things to say about recordings(of all major bands).Youwill learn more about unofficial recordings and quality! It would be great if queenzone would become like that but then of course for Queen and solo recordings only. I feel we are on our way. Many wonderful shows have been shared in recent months.
It is easy to understand why lossless is better. I do not understand someone like 'tiger'. Why do you want to share mp3's when there is something way better?
Watch the FLAC concerts list! That's a huge list.And I'm sure it will only grow. Just be a little patient:-)

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

pow wow wrote: In defence of Tiger. The guy has shared more gigs here over the years than most people. OK most of them are MP3, but that doesnt detract from his generosity.

Note that it's far easier to share a show in mp3, because it takes far less time to upload it. Also note that he has not edited any of his recordings or created compilations to give the best version possible. He simply downloaded and reshared. Sharing mp3s should not deserve much credit in today's world of quality preservation. You're right, there is no law against mp3, but we should be doing our best to preserve the quality of these precious recordings, not make them worse than they already are. Honestly, converting an old recording to mp3 is like a historian handling ancient papyrus with dirty hands. A high quality Houston is one of those things that people had been after for ages, and most people would be willing to make an exception if the only possibility was a lossy share. Since lossy sharing is permitted on this site, I think the only time it should be done, for the sake of quality preservation, is when there is no alternative. The major problem with mp3s (as I've stated many times before) is that there are collectors (some of whom I have dealt with myself) who refuse to share their rare and uncirculated Queen recordings because they don't want them to be converted to mp3 - which they are confident will happen here. This place is notorious for being the place where people upload mp3s passed off as FLAC files. So, here we are with yet another version of the second night in Fukuoka '79 in lossy FLAC, when we could perhaps have had a new show from the '76 US tour by now. I have done my research. Out of all the major bands, Queen has had the fewest number of new unofficial recordings emerge in the last ten years. This place is largely to blame. If Queenzone adopted quality standards, Queen collectors would start to gain respect in the wider collecting world, something which at the moment we have little of, if any at all. Yes, there is a collecting world outside of this website. Many downloaders still think these new recordings magically pop out of the sky. Keeping in mind that FLAC can easily be converted to WAV and then mp3 for personal use, all I ask is for someone to provide a good explanation why lossy sharing shouldn't be banned - with exceptions like your Houston, which is still perhaps the greatest share in the history of this forum.

pow wow wrote: I do not believe that collectors who have uncirculated material will not share on the basis of it being converted to MP3. Why? If we are all budding amateur Queen archivists/preservationists then a newly circulated FLAC gig is not going to become extinct a few years down the line.

Why don't we ask Barbara/Richard to put it to the test. Ban all lossy from tomorrow say and let's see how many new gigs we get.

pow wow wrote: Why don't we ask Barbara/Richard to put it to the test. Ban all lossy from tomorrow say and let's see how many new gigs we get.

tilomagnet wrote:

pow wow wrote: Why don't we ask Barbara/Richard to put it to the test. Ban all lossy from tomorrow say and let's see how many new gigs we get.

Well, the first step would be that the admins create a new forum here for lossless sources to seperate those from all the mp3 junk that gets uploaded. Many people have asked for that, not sure why it's not happening. That new forum needs proper moderation though, which means that sources like this one that turn out to be casette > CD > mp3 > WMA >.... > mp3 > FLAC need to be pulled asap. Many people download this one without reading the discussion thinking it was a true lossless seed, while in fact it's just a waste of space.

Ginger01 wrote:   If someone wants to reupload the links in this thread, great!