| mahlers.com 10.09.2007 17:39 |
On Sept. 11, 2001, 343 firefighters lost their lives in the collapse of the World Trade Center in New York. Tomorrow, on the sixth anniversary of the terrorist attacks, a memorial to all fallen firefighters will be unveiled at the Statehouse. The 6 p.m. dedication is just one of many events taking place across the state and on the Cape tomorrow to honor all those who were killed on Sept. 11. - At 7:30 a.m., there will be a wreath-laying ceremony in the Boston Public Gardens. - At 8:30 a.m., there will be a moment of silence and reading of names on the Statehouse lawn. - At 8:30 a.m., Battleship Cove will conduct a remembrance ceremony at the Sept. 11 memorial site in Fall River. Fire and police personnel will gather on the USS Massachusetts to lay a wreath and offer a 21-gun salute. - At 9:45 a.m., there will be a short tribute to the lost firefighters at the Barnstable Fire Station, 3249 Main St. (Route 6A). - At 9:55 a.m., firefighters will gather in front of the Harwich Fire Station, 175 Sisson Road, to pay tribute to those who were lost. - At 10 a.m., West Barnstable firefighters will hold a brief tribute in front of the station. - At 10 a.m., Hyannis firefighters will host a 50-minute memorial service on the station's front lawn, 95 High School Road Extension. - At noon, a gathering will take place on the Falmouth Village Green to say thank you to Coast Guard and local emergency workers. - At 7 p.m., the Cape Cod Interfaith Coalition will hold a service in the lower school gymnasium of Cape Cod Academy, 50 Osterville-West Barnstable Road, Osterville. Furnished by the Cape Cod Times. William K. Mahler (Former PFC, MA National Guard Cook & US Army Airborne Infantry Trainee) link |
| magicalfreddiemercury 10.09.2007 19:35 |
As a New Yorker who saw the smoke and smelled the awful stench for days after 9/11, I grieved for all the hero's and everyday folk who perished that day. But six years have passed and while I still feel we should remember what happened and think of those who died, I have to say I feel the commemoration ceremonies should end. They seem less like tributes and more like opportunity for... I don't know what. It just seems wrong to me that the city should shut down as it does every year and that the names should again be read. It's time to let go and move on. Am I the only one who feels this way? A moment of silence, a patriotic song, perhaps, and onward. Let those poor souls rest in peace. |
| mahlers.com 10.09.2007 20:51 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: As a New Yorker who saw the smoke and smelled the awful stench for days after 9/11, I grieved for all the hero's and everyday folk who perished that day. But six years have passed and while I still feel we should remember what happened and think of those who died, I have to say I feel the commemoration ceremonies should end. They seem less like tributes and more like opportunity for... I don't know what. It just seems wrong to me that the city should shut down as it does every year and that the names should again be read. It's time to let go and move on. Am I the only one who feels this way? A moment of silence, a patriotic song, perhaps, and onward. Let those poor souls rest in peace.Thank you for sharing, my prayers are with ya New Yorkers, Pennsy's and DC'ers. |
| sparrow 21754 10.09.2007 21:08 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: As a New Yorker who saw the smoke and smelled the awful stench for days after 9/11, I grieved for all the hero's and everyday folk who perished that day. But six years have passed and while I still feel we should remember what happened and think of those who died, I have to say I feel the commemoration ceremonies should end. They seem less like tributes and more like opportunity for... I don't know what. It just seems wrong to me that the city should shut down as it does every year and that the names should again be read. It's time to let go and move on. Am I the only one who feels this way? A moment of silence, a patriotic song, perhaps, and onward. Let those poor souls rest in peace.i agree. honestly? for those who have experienced this and/or witnessed it will never forget, so why perpetuate it? its an event that is a part of our cultures major change, and it WONT be forgotten. pearl harbor happened years ago. noone has forgotten, it was devestating, but we have moved on, and this is the case as well. im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do. |
| Adolfo and the spiders from Mercury 11.09.2007 01:34 |
I will say this with a huge respect for all of the people who fought and died on 9/11. I have always tought that the US has made a way too much deal of the 9/11, I think there are farther more terrible events that happend everyday in the world, and to focus so much on the 9/11 attacks is selfish by the US. keep in mind, this is a point of view from someone outside the US, and I dont intend to insult anyone, just to express my thoughts. |
| john bodega 11.09.2007 02:49 |
Man... it's not about the scale of the event. You can't look at September 11 and say 'holy shit that terrorist attack was peanuts compared to Hiroshima or Dresden'. It was a pretty fucked up thing and pretty much anyone with a TV got to see it happen live... that can make one huge fucking impact on a society. Having said that : I think there should be commemorations, but not quite like this. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 11.09.2007 07:55 |
I saw on TV last night that the Today show is running a live re-broadcast of the show that they were doing on 9-11-01. They kept the show on the air all day long that day because of what was happening. My only question is why? Is there a reason you should put everyone through that again? The people who lost loved ones on that day I'm sure have not forgotten about what happened, and probably re-live that day all of the time in their heads. I'm sure that showing them exactly how the rest of the world saw it that day is really going to help them move on. The endless tributes should probably end...we stopped holding commemorative ceremonies on the campus two years ago. Of course, maybe if they actually got the damn memorial up it would be easier to stop holding the annual ceremonies because people could just go there and remember things whenever they want in their own private way. But they are spending far too much time arguing about what the memorial should be, who should build it, what should it look like, etc. At this rate, it will be a miracle if the thing ever gets built at all. The selfishness of America comment....possibly. That's true that many more people have died in many more horrible ways. But I'd like to know exactly what you have in mind, just for clarification. Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Japan was at war, and therefore the country was at least aware that attacks on it could occur? The British who died in the Blitz? Again, country at war. Darfur? Civil war; in the context of war people are at least aware that the possibility is there that they or their country will be attacked...that is the definition of war at any rate. 9-11 was different because the US was NOT at war. Any country where 3,000+ died in a single day during PEACE TIME would be making a huge deal out of it, especially when it has such huge ramifications for the rest of the world. Also keep in mind that the US has been incredibly lucky in the past...the only other attack we'd had on US soil since the founding of the country was Pearl Harbor, which was again on a war context. Our history as a country is very short...we don't have the benefit of hundreds of years worth of unprovoked attacks to desensitize us to it. Just as all people will always remember tragedies in their country (Concentration Camps, The Blitz, Civil War, etc.) we will always remember 9-11 because it was not only a horrible event; it was an event that marked a turning point not only in the country but in the world. |
| john bodega 11.09.2007 08:12 |
"But I'd like to know exactly what you have in mind, just for clarification. Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Japan was at war, and therefore the country was at least aware that attacks on it could occur? The British who died in the Blitz? Again, country at war." To me, it's all bunkum.... people shouldn't be dying in circumstances like that, whether war was officially declared by a bunch of ball-suckers in an office somewhere or not. |
| The Fairy King 11.09.2007 08:12 |
Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time. |
| pow wow 11.09.2007 08:28 |
One reason why it is commemorated to such a scale is due to propaganda. It’s a method employed by the government to remind its people why they are still fighting a war. It taps in to the immediate anger and backlash that was felt at the time. My heart goes out to the families. |
| Freya is quietly judging you. 11.09.2007 08:51 |
<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time.That's almost a bit sick. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 11.09.2007 09:01 |
pow wow wrote: One reason why it is commemorated to such a scale is due to propaganda. It’s a method employed by the government to remind its people why they are still fighting a war. It taps in to the immediate anger and backlash that was felt at the time. My heart goes out to the families.What I want to know is why aren't these families storming the White House demanding answers to the questions we're all asking? What are we doing to keep this country safe? When/how will the world be a safer place? What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? Why did we tear up that country and destroy all of those people - Iraqi civilian and international military - when they had nothing to do with the horror of 9/11? Why is Bin Laden still able to put out new videos? How is it that that man can speak properly while the "most powerful man in the world" sounds like an idiot every time he opens his mouth? Why is outrage not expressed on this day? THAT's what I want to know. |
| Mr.Jingles 11.09.2007 09:38 |
It's time for people to get over it, and by people I mean the average folk who was not affected by 9/11 by other than by the emotional shock of the moment. I do acknowledge that those who were directly affected deserve a time of grief and remembrance, but everybody else should be thankful that they didn't lose a loved one and stop whining like they were actual victims of 9/11 and move on with their lives. I think it's pathetic that there are still people with those 9/11 bumper stickers even though they don't know a single person who died during 9/11. It's a phony attitude of those who follow the crowd in order to get noticed. Just like those wiseguys I constantly see wearing NYFD shirts, but before 9/11 they couldn't give two shits about Firefighters risking their lives to save people. It just became trendy to show their "support". Even more pathetic are those yellow ribbons on people's cars, which do absolutely nothing to help the troops. It's sad that patriotism because a the biggest car trend since those Garfield plush dolls sticking on people's windows during the 80s. Besides, there have been far worse tragedies than 9/11 through out recent history. It happens to be that 9/11 was the most media exposed tragedy ever, and all the attention seekers want a piece of it. Some call it patriotism, I call it fashion. If we were to remember every single recent tragedy, we'd have a remembrance day just about every single day of the year. I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but it's just what I consider to be the sad truth. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 11.09.2007 10:26 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "But I'd like to know exactly what you have in mind, just for clarification. Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Japan was at war, and therefore the country was at least aware that attacks on it could occur? The British who died in the Blitz? Again, country at war." To me, it's all bunkum.... people shouldn't be dying in circumstances like that, whether war was officially declared by a bunch of ball-suckers in an office somewhere or not.Indeed. War is a terrible thing. However, the unfortunate thing is that we shall NEVER be able to get rid of war. As long as there are at least two people on the planet with two conflicting ideologies about anything, war is inevitable. Humans will never progress far enough to look past these things. Because of this, wars will always happen, and people will always need to be aware that when their country is at war their safety is potentially at risk. It's sad and shouldn't be that way, I agree. But unfortunately that's reality. |
| Music Man 11.09.2007 10:57 |
pow wow wrote: One reason why it is commemorated to such a scale is due to propaganda. It’s a method employed by the government to remind its people why they are still fighting a war. It taps in to the immediate anger and backlash that was felt at the time. My heart goes out to the families.The real question is this: Is it even possible to commemorate 9/11 without being accused of propaganda? I think it's sad that this is the first and most immediate thought to many people. Of course, I was never one to have any real problems with distrust of the government, but this is kind of ridiculous. I have to say, rerunning broadcasts is a bit silly, but to have a commemoration ceremony is in no way out of line. Things are commemorated not because they are forgotten or in danger of being forgotten. They are commemorated because they are still present and significant to a great many people. We are in an age where Islamic terrorism is common. I mean, in recent decades, it has been common - but for the first time it has effected our nation on such a large scale. I figure that until this threat is eliminated (i.e. like Nazis, Russians, Japanese, or...Carthaginians), we will continue to have certain remembrances and such. |
| Micrówave 11.09.2007 11:54 |
<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time.That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast. I'm not from NY, didn't know anybody involved in the whole 9-11 affair, but my brother is a firefighter. Why do people think we should stop having remembrances? Did they lose somebody or are still coping with the attacks that day? No... I doubt they are. So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. Celebrate and remember all you want. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 11.09.2007 12:46 |
Micrówave wrote:It was also an actual TV broadcast - as was today's MSNBC REbroadcast of the actual coverage. On TV. Which will again be rebroadcast tonight in it's entirety.<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time.That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast. Micrówave wrote: So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there.Wrong again. Some of us WERE there. Some of us DID lose friends that day. And some of us are ready to let those people rest. Some of us are ready to acknowledge that while this was the worst attack on American soil and that it shook our souls, we are strong enough to focus on what's next rather than dwell on what's past. Should we acknowledge what happened that day? Absolutely. Should we consider the footprints of the towers sacred ground? No. Should a memorial be placed there to commemorate the tragedy? Yes. And, as Music Man said, perhaps the annual ceremony does remind us that terrorism is still a global threat that has to be dealt with, but the magnitude of the ceremonies and the hours and hours of airtime it's still receiving is embarrassing. Reliving the past does nothing to protect us in the future. It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners. Let's try something new. Let's try to focus on fixing problems rather than creating more. |
| Micrówave 11.09.2007 14:13 |
magicalfreddiemercury wrote: And some of us are ready to let those people rest. Some of us are ready to acknowledge that while this was the worst attack on American soil and that it shook our souls, we are strong enough to focus on what's next rather than dwell on what's past. magicalfreddiemercury wrote: It's time to limit the tributes to silent moments and perhaps a scrolling of the names along TV news banners.Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all. What the @#$! does scrolling names do? Tickers are for sports scores and stock quotes, not for paying homage to someone as his name speeds by. I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 11.09.2007 14:30 |
Micrówave wrote: Well, you're either (1) contradicting yourself or (2) think your way of remembering should be accepted by all.(1) I see no contradiction in my statements and (2) those who organize the tribute as it’s been each year since, seem to feel their way of remembering should be accepted by all. That’s why the airwaves are filled with their images. There's nothing wrong with wanting tributes of a smaller scale. Micrówave wrote: What the @#$! does scrolling names do?About the same as reading the names aloud every year at the site. Micrówave wrote: I have a better idea. When YOU get tired of it, simply CHANGE THE CHANNEL. Hard to do when they’re all covering the same event. |
| Mr.Jingles 11.09.2007 14:39 |
I have no problems with the tributes made on September 11th of each year, although I do agree that the media coverage is indeed excessive. What I think is ridiculous is the huge amount of "posers" who have to remind us every single fuckin' day that this tragedy happened. All I have to say is... pull that sticker off and move on with your life, for God's sake! |
| Music Man 11.09.2007 17:28 |
Well, I can understand the sticker thing. They're hard to remove, and why bother with the effort? I still see people with Kerry/Edwards stickers, but I can't really blame them. And really, if you have a 9/11 shirt...if you're a dude, you probably won't throw it out, so you just wear it. I mean, dudes never throw shirts out - nor do they pay attention to what they say. Straight ones, anyway. |
| The Real Wizard 12.09.2007 01:51 |
Sparrow wrote: im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve! |
| john bodega 12.09.2007 05:18 |
Commemorations or no, it would've been nice if the first 9/11 topic this month had been started by someone with a pulse... |
| Holly2003 12.09.2007 05:31 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Yes and no. You personally have no choice where you are born because your parents made that choice for you. However, if they felt strongly that you should be...Swedish or something, they would have made an effort to ensure you were born in Sweden. A conscious choice was made at some time, albeit a choice limited by economics, national ties etc. Also, the Irish analogy is misleading as I am both irish and british. My kids can be irish, british or American if they choose (however if my son turns out to be a top centre forward for Manchester Utd I am going to use EVERY method of persuasion to get him to declare for Northern ireland!).Sparrow wrote: im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve! I agree with Carlin (great guy). You should be proud for things that you achieve, but also some countries and their citizens have a right to be proud. I have huge respect for the Danes, for example. Wonderful people. As for the memorial stuff, i don;'t know what's being shown on TV in the US but for some to suggest that there should be no memorial to the biggest terrorist attack in history is just daft. In Northern ireland the biggets single event in 30 years was the Omagh bombing, in which 31 people died. Over 2,000 died in NY, and the city was badly affected for years afterwards. Of course, even that scale of caualties is dwarfed by the Asian tsunami of 2004, by hiroshima, etc. but I have a feeling those doing the most complaining are indulging in a bit of America bashing (a proud European tradition, and one I occasionally indulge in, --for a bit of fun of course). It seems on Queenzone the first to appeal for tolerance of other cultures are also the first to attack American culture, in this case for the way they remember their dead. |
| Music Man 12.09.2007 06:14 |
I completely disagree. You should ONLY be proud of your achievements. Not your race, not your nationality, not your religion. Not anything anyone else has ever done. Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of. |
| Holly2003 12.09.2007 06:17 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: I completely disagree. You should ONLY be proud of your achievements. Not your race, not your nationality, not your religion. Not anything anyone else has ever done. Being Danish, for example, would be a stupid thing to be proud of.As a general rule you are correct. However, there are exceptions, the wonderful Danes being one of them. |
| Music Man 12.09.2007 06:57 |
What reasoning might you possibly have to say that? |
| john bodega 12.09.2007 09:52 |
"Of course, even that scale of caualties is dwarfed by the Asian tsunami of 2004, by hiroshima, etc. but I have a feeling those doing the most complaining are indulging in a bit of America bashing" Wrong! |
| iGSM 12.09.2007 10:49 |
I hate to say but I didn't notice until about 5 o'clock when I said 'Oh, is it really September 11'. I still think that it's November 9...seriously. |
| Penetration_Guru 12.09.2007 13:28 |
Micrówave wrote:Hang on, there's a contradiction here.<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: Reminds me of CNN last year. They re-broadcasted the whole damn thing on 9/11/06...in real time.That was on-line, not on the actual TV broadcast. I'm not from NY, didn't know anybody involved in the whole 9-11 affair, but my brother is a firefighter. Why do people think we should stop having remembrances? Did they lose somebody or are still coping with the attacks that day? No... I doubt they are. So, respectfully, to all the above posters who have a problem with more celebrations or memorials, you weren't there. Celebrate and remember all you want. Either "if you weren't there, shut up" which reduces the people commemorating to the survivors of the towers and the NYFD.. Or "it was a global attack, maaan, the whole world shouldpause to think" My own feeling is that once you're past the 5 year anniversary, every year is overkill - every five years is enough until you get to 20, then it's every ten. And quite what a rinky-dink town in New England has to do with it, I'm not sure.... |
| Music Man 12.09.2007 21:18 |
Ironically, there was a facebook group for my college indicating regret that the college did not organize a ceremony in regards to the attacks. To each his own, I suppose. To say there should be clear limitations to commemorations is just ridiculous. There is no right and wrong - one should do as he or she pleases. |
| sparrow 21754 12.09.2007 21:33 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten.Sparrow wrote: im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve! |
| magicalfreddiemercury 12.09.2007 23:15 |
Sparrow wrote:Personally, I think your use of the word "patriotic" here was appropriate. Especially when you consider how American "patriotism" has been tested in recent years. If you disagree with this administration, you're unpatriotic. If you have an opposing view or even propose a compromise, you're unpatriotic. Feeling that the commemoration ceremonies should end or at the least be reduced in scale means you're unpatriotic. Apparently, we must remain afraid and angry if we are to win this war against terror. <sigh> Voicing an opinion in opposition with popular thought is not "ridiculous", as has been said in this thread, but rather our right of free thought and free speech.Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:eh patriotic was the only word taht came to mind at the time haha. i guess i was saying, its not that we dont care, but it shouldnt be imposed anymore, i mean we were there, we saw it everywhere on tv and the papers, and itll be in textbooks for our next generations to learn about. its pretty obvious that it wont be forgotten.Sparrow wrote: im glad im not the only one who feels this way. i dont believe it makes us any less patriotic if we think the way we do.Exactly. Although the word "patriotic" does get to me. What exactly is the point of being proud to be from your country? It's not like you chose to be an American! Like George Carlin once said, you should save "being proud" for things that you achieve, not things that happen by an accident. Being Irish is an accident, not something you achieve! |
| YourValentine 13.09.2007 02:07 |
<font color=666600><b>Music Man wrote: Well, I can understand the sticker thing. They're hard to remove, and why bother with the effort? I still see people with Kerry/Edwards stickers, but I can't really blame them. And really, if you have a 9/11 shirt...if you're a dude, you probably won't throw it out, so you just wear it. I mean, dudes never throw shirts out - nor do they pay attention to what they say. Straight ones, anyway.Yes, exactly - doesn't that describe a lot of our lip services - being too lazy to remove a sticker and wearing slogans without thinking about them for a minute? Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 13.09.2007 08:09 |
YourValentine wrote: Everyone has the right to mourn and grieve for how long they feel that way but exaggerated public display of grief has something phoney and smells of propaganda. People should be grateful to the rescue workers and firefighters who risked their lives to save others but the public diplay of hero worship would be more credible if the surviving heroes would not have had to sue the grateful city about disabilty pensions and health care.Very, very well said. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 13.09.2007 08:17 |
^^ I agree completely....well said YourValentine |
| Donna13 13.09.2007 15:41 |
Well, I am kind of surprised by all the memorial services six years on, but I think it is the same on Memorial Day. Either you are the type who likes to go to that sort of thing (parades, ceremonial laying of wreaths, speeches) or you are not. Some people like to watch it all again and cry even if they were not involved directly. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is propaganda. I think it is more a matter of people not wanting to do the wrong thing, not wanting to be disrespectful, and not knowing when to stop or reduce the level of it. Also, I think it is in bad taste to re-broadcast the events on TV. |
| The Real Wizard 13.09.2007 18:29 |
Holly2003 wrote: My kids can be irish, british or American if they choose (however if my son turns out to be a top centre forward for Manchester Utd I am going to use EVERY method of persuasion to get him to declare for Northern ireland!).Haha! Okay, that would be the one exception. If someone chose to move to another country and be proud to be there, then that's another story! That said, I'd be interested in seeing some statistics from the last ten years: the number of people who have immigrated to the US (and where they came from) vs. the number of people who have emigrated to somewhere else. |
| AspiringPhilosophe 13.09.2007 20:27 |
Ask and you shall receive there, Sir GH. :-) Here's a link to Wikipedia (I know it's a dangerous source, but they actually pulled their data from the Department of Homeland (In)Security, so it's as accurate as any out there: Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin: link Can't really find a good website about US citizens living abroad, but the average of the numbers I've found is about 4 million, and the number seems to be rising. Consequently, I hope that someday I will be counted among this number of US citizen living abroad...it's a dream of mine to live in another country. |
| john bodega 13.09.2007 23:54 |
It's a dream of mine to live on another planet. |
| The Real Wizard 14.09.2007 01:56 |
HistoryGirl wrote: Here's a link to Wikipedia (I know it's a dangerous source, but they actually pulled their data from the Department of Homeland (In)Security, so it's as accurate as any out there: Immigrations to the US from 1830-2000 and their country of origin: linkBeautiful... thanks! Can't say I'm surprised with any of it. Just look at which countries are increasing and which are decreasing... |
| QueenMercury46 14.09.2007 21:55 |
For God's sake 9/11 was a terrible event and someone only wanted to pay some respect to those that died and suffered through it. Why has this thread arisen arguments? If someone still feels strongly about it, let them. I see no harm in having the bumper stickers or tshirts or whatever, especially if they witnessed it or had a loved one die. If they didn't lose someone or witness it, there's nothing wrong with them feeling sorrow for those that did die or lose someone. I think that the use of the term "get over it" is rather ignorant to be used in this thread. |
| Donna13 15.09.2007 10:13 |
QueenMercury46 wrote: For God's sake 9/11 was a terrible event and someone only wanted to pay some respect to those that died and suffered through it. Why has this thread arisen arguments? If someone still feels strongly about it, let them. I see no harm in having the bumper stickers or tshirts or whatever, especially if they witnessed it or had a loved one die. If they didn't lose someone or witness it, there's nothing wrong with them feeling sorrow for those that did die or lose someone. I think that the use of the term "get over it" is rather ignorant to be used in this thread.Everyone is different in their thinking. I wouldn't worry too much about what is said here. The views of certain individuals have remained consistent since I've been reading the board. |