QueenZone discussion #1040170

cmsdrums wrote: Hi Could you possibly advise what the difference is in the two mixes of Invincible Hope please? Thanks very much

Banana-Wig wrote: Hey LJS - any chance you could kindly post the studio mix 2 please? I have bought live version btw. Thanks!

Banana-Wig wrote: Ok but I never knew the 'studio mix 2' of "The Call" was on itunes Mr.F?? Is it??

Zebonka12 wrote: I wrote a song just like Say It's Not True (but with different lyrics) in 2002. You should've seen my face when I heard that song for the first time :(

Pim Derks wrote: I bet Tero is one of those sad "Freddie Mercury was Queen"-types.

Tero wrote: In short, the lyrics are about as inspired as the verses in Flash's Theme, the vocals have all the emotional intensity of Good Company (or perhaps even the instrumental Forever on a good day), the composition is as unique and personal as God Save the Queen, the production has all the creativity and originality of Life Is Real, and the overall artistic impression of the song makes me as exhilarated as a damp cloth (which has been used to wipe the dust off my record collection) slapped gently across my face.

Zak Royen wrote:

Tero wrote: In short, the lyrics are about as inspired as the verses in Flash's Theme, the vocals have all the emotional intensity of Good Company (or perhaps even the instrumental Forever on a good day), the composition is as unique and personal as God Save the Queen, the production has all the creativity and originality of Life Is Real, and the overall artistic impression of the song makes me as exhilarated as a damp cloth (which has been used to wipe the dust off my record collection) slapped gently across my face.

"the production"?? which version are we talking about? "the emotional intensity of Good Company"? in my book that's not bad at all! "Now marriage is an insinuation sure My wife and I our needs and nothing more all my friends by a year By and by disappear But we're safe enough behind our door." who doesn't like that? :/

Tero wrote:

Zak Royen wrote:

Tero wrote: In short, the lyrics are about as inspired as the verses in Flash's Theme, the vocals have all the emotional intensity of Good Company (or perhaps even the instrumental Forever on a good day), the composition is as unique and personal as God Save the Queen, the production has all the creativity and originality of Life Is Real, and the overall artistic impression of the song makes me as exhilarated as a damp cloth (which has been used to wipe the dust off my record collection) slapped gently across my face.

"the production"?? which version are we talking about? "the emotional intensity of Good Company"? in my book that's not bad at all! "Now marriage is an insinuation sure My wife and I our needs and nothing more all my friends by a year By and by disappear But we're safe enough behind our door." who doesn't like that? :/

"The production has all the creativity and originality of..." means that the general sound is as bland and unoriginal as you can get. There are literally thousands of identical songs, and thousands of better ones. "the vocals have all the emotional intensity of Good Company" means the vocals, not the lyrics. (I had a separate mention for the lyrics). Brian's vocals have as much passionate expressionism in them as the synthesised voice known as Stephen Hawking.

Zak Royen wrote: could you please provide the name of a song "identical to" Say It's Not True? when i quoted those lines from Good Company, i did have the vocal delivery in mind, not the lyrics themselves. yes, i think the delivery is expressive, sincere, and quite frankly beautiful. it's hard for me to understand how anyone would fail to "see" that beauty, but i guess i might as well accept it ;)

Zak Royen wrote: i suppose you meant "sad", not "whining". we're talking about AIDS and starvation, man. i mean i understand you're not supposed to enjoy sad songs about AIDS and starving children if you intend to be a toughie. you may say that Roger is "whining" like a baby if you like... but in that case, i'll have a hard time trusting your sensitivity as a barometer to assess the level of expression in "Good Company"!

Zak Royen wrote: for years and years, i've heard people say, "Brian's voice is so-so, but it's always very emotional". for the first time in my life, i hear someone claim that "there's as much emotion in Brian's voice as in a synthesized voice". i salute you for your boldness, but when thousands of people are able to see something and you're not, do you still think they're wrong?

Tero wrote:

Zak Royen wrote: for years and years, i've heard people say, "Brian's voice is so-so, but it's always very emotional". for the first time in my life, i hear someone claim that "there's as much emotion in Brian's voice as in a synthesized voice". i salute you for your boldness, but when thousands of people are able to see something and you're not, do you still think they're wrong?

Well I haven't said it's emotional, and I honestly can't remember anyone else praising him for it either... Are you sure that isn't just your wishful thinking?[/quote] absolutely positive, Tero. or that might just be another QOL/QZ difference. [quote]I've personally always felt it was weak, monotonous and unexpressive, and Good Company is just one of the songs where that's apparent. Should I change my opinion because somebody else disagrees with it? Should I change it because a thousand other people disagree with it? Maybe we should just have a poll (say 10,000 random people from around the world) to determine which opinion is more common, and therefore 'right'. Would either of us be happy to change our opinions after that and agree that others are 'right' and we are 'wrong'? :P

Tero wrote:

Zak Royen wrote: i suppose you meant "sad", not "whining". we're talking about AIDS and starvation, man. i mean i understand you're not supposed to enjoy sad songs about AIDS and starving children if you intend to be a toughie. you may say that Roger is "whining" like a baby if you like... but in that case, i'll have a hard time trusting your sensitivity as a barometer to assess the level of expression in "Good Company"!

The topic might be serious (like hundreds of acoustic protests songs and folk songs have had before), but in this case even the physical (or should that be audible?) performance has a literally whining sound. That's just Roger's singing style which might suit some other songs, but not this one.

Zak Royen wrote: i don't believe in "right" or "wrong" when it comes to music appreciation. that is, i don't think you're wrong for not being moved by Brian's singing. however, when thousands (millions?) of people are moved by something, and you're not, it might just be that you're missing something. the artist tries to convey an emotion, and it doesn't reach you... you may blame the artist, or you may just learn to enjoy. depending on whether you'd rather enjoy music or poke fun at the artist. may i use myself as an example? poking fun at Bono and The Edge sems to me far more enjoyable than attempting to enjoy "With Or Without You". every girl i know seems to believe it's one of the most exquisite songs ever written. are they wrong or am i right? that's not the question. they're just seeing something i am unable to see. i don't particularly care for Picasso either, but since so many people seem to think so highly of him... i might be missing out on something truly sensational. on the other hand... it took me some effort to get into Bowie's music. and i sure don't regret it.

Tero wrote: I don't believe in 'right' or 'wrong' opinions any more than you, which is why I dared to express my opinion (and expand on my reasoning when you asked) in this topic. ;) Music is a very subjective experience, and other people will experience feelings I won't, and vice versa. I don't expect anybody to "learn" to enjoy music they don't feel... I haven't "learned" to like Brian's singing in the past fifteen years, and I doubt I ever will. There are other artists who I've grown into liking (not "learned to enjoy", as that implies something that can be taught to others at will), so the fault doesn't lie entirely in me. I also don't see anything wrong in poking a bit of humour out of personal dislikes (or likes). A normal reader will take a message like that with a pinch of salt, and not jump into a literal interpretation. That of course doesn't always work as people have different tastes in humour as well, and then there are the fanatics who will take personal offence at every negative thing you say no matter how insignificant it is... It might also be interesting to note that I don't care much for Picasso. I know he's supposed to be a great artist, but I just can't see it myself. The only thing I've learned from his works (much like the singing of Brian) is that no matter how many people praise him, I just don't get the fascination at all. It isn't a case of missing anything, but only one of different tastes. The only other thing I can learn from all these opinions is to estimate the parallels between our opinions on other similar issues. If someone enjoys the singing of Brian May, it's likely that in general he doesn't like the kind of music I do. ;)

FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: A voice is just something you like or dislike. And being a Queenfan doesn't mean you have to love everything they did, love the bandmembers or think they're the best singer, players, songwriters of all time. For example, I think Freddie had one of the most beautiful voices in modern music. But I certainly don't call him the best singer of all time. Not even in my top 10. It's all just am atter or taste. Someone may think Brian is the greatest guitarist of all time, because he could come up with wonderful melodious solo's which really complimented the song. And other people will think he wasn't really good because he couldn't play 25 notes a second. It's all in the eye (or ear?) of the beholder