QueenZone discussion #1028610

Queen Archivist wrote: What we need, for just one example, in our opinion, is a Queen Live area in which every gig ever performed exists; the date and venue, but also the setlist if known, support acts, whether it was recorded or filmed, in full or part, if any part of the show is available on official video or dvd, or unofficial, and details of tickets, tour passes, flyers, posters, tour programme, merchandise - info about ANY and EVERY aspect of every gig.

Queen Archivist wrote: What we need, for just one example, in our opinion, is a Queen Live area in which every gig ever performed exists; the date and venue, but also the setlist if known, support acts, whether it was recorded or filmed, in full or part, if any part of the show is available on official video or dvd, or unofficial, and details of tickets, tour passes, flyers, posters, tour programme, merchandise - info about ANY and EVERY aspect of every gig. I realise much of this info already exists on the wonderful Queenconcerts.com site, but I think the massive power of this new site (relatively new anyway) is that in theory we all can add to it all the time. .... So... what do you lot think of that site and the concept of setting up Live Evolving databases there for everyone to hone and shape until everything is as tight as i can be... one day.

YourValentine wrote: Queenpedia is a wonderful website and has been greatly appreciated by the fan community from the start like all quality websites have been gratefully welcomed by the fan community in the past. Pieter has a lot of experience from previous websites and Lester is of course the author of the best Queen related book. Erin's input cannot be overestimated, I canot imagine the hours of patiently adding graphics and text.

Queen Archivist wrote: What we need, for just one example, in our opinion, is a Queen Live area in which every gig ever performed exists; the date and venue, but also the setlist if known, support acts, whether it was recorded or filmed, in full or part, if any part of the show is available on official video or dvd, or unofficial, and details of tickets, tour passes, flyers, posters, tour programme, merchandise - info about ANY and EVERY aspect of every gig. I realise much of this info already exists on the wonderful Queenconcerts.com site, but I think the massive power of this new site (relatively new anyway) is that in theory we all can add to it all the time. .... So... what do you lot think of that site and the concept of setting up Live Evolving databases there for everyone to hone and shape until everything is as tight as i can be... one day.

You can add information to Queenconcerts anytime. Hundreds of people have contributed to the website, I do not think there can be a better website about Queen concerts unless you copy/paste the content. Queenconcerts and previous versions have been on the net for many years now and newer websites can relate to the knowledge and experience of the older websites. It takes a lot of passion and patience to continue updating and improving a website like Queenconcerts over all these years. There are other quality websites focussing on different aspects, for example Queen Museum, Queen Cuttings, Queen Archives, Queenonstage, Bob's recent Queenlive Canada, Bechstein Debauchery, Queen Songs and others. The variety of independent fan websites keeps the community alive. As much as I like the encyclopedia-like approach of Queenpedia, I would not like the idea that one website is the end-all and other websites are redundant.

on my way up wrote:

There are other quality websites focussing on different aspects, (...) The variety of independent fan websites keeps the community alive. As much as I like the encyclopedia-like approach of Queenpedia, I would not like the idea that one website is the end-all and other websites are redundant.

I fully agree with you! There are some amazing websites.(...) You can't include all these in just 1 website.

PieterMC wrote: The one thing that Erin & I feel is missing is a price guide. Queen Picture Hall has this, but it is outdated and is missing many items.

PieterMC wrote: A need for a comprehensive live section is certainly an area that could be argued both ways. It was something that Lester, Erin and I felt was not worth attempting as we could not make it any better than Queenconcerts.

Queen Archivist wrote: It certainly has the feel of Wikipedia and that can only be a good thing. Our guess is that the two must be closely related. They seem too similar in too many ways not be linked in some way.

PieterMC wrote: The one thing that we are trying very hard to achieve is to have good quality images of everything that we have in the discography. If anybody has good quality scans of anything that they do not see featured on the site please send them to queenpedia@gmail.com

PieterMC wrote: No, not really, but the bigger the better. I can always reduce the size.

PieterMC wrote: Sorry the only messenger I use is google talk

PieterMC wrote: What is your email for google talk? Or e-mail it to queenpedia@gmail.com

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Rather ironic. Ripping the Wiki-format, and then using it to make a standard-encyclopedia. I mean, what's the point of using a Wiki, then?

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Rather ironic. Ripping the Wiki-format, and then using it to make a standard-encyclopedia. I mean, what's the point of using a Wiki, then?

Mr. Scully wrote: It's a shame Ron doesn't update his site anymore, it is a great source of info for collectors of records. I guess such a dead site could become part of QueenPedia but no idea if Ron would agree.

Mr. Scully wrote: The chance that we (fans) create a huge Queen portal that would use info from various websites is pretty close to zero.

RonB wrote: Though I indeed dont update it anymore, its still hard for me to let it go. Though I probably have to do it one day..

PieterMC wrote:

Mr. Scully wrote: The chance that we (fans) create a huge Queen portal that would use info from various websites is pretty close to zero.

I disagree. It is possible, if people are willing to work together. I already have received more help that I thought I would.

.*.Messenger: Jake Pyndle.*. wrote: I think it's funny how the first photo of the cassette single of 'The Show Must Go On' w/Bohemian Rhapsody is listed 'The Show Must Go On w/Keep Yourself Alive in the UK cassettes section.

.*.Messenger: Jake Pyndle.*. wrote: I think it's funny how the first photo of the cassette single of 'The Show Must Go On' w/Bohemian Rhapsody is listed 'The Show Must Go On w/Keep Yourself Alive in the UK cassettes section.

PieterMC wrote: I will blame it all on Lester. He's not here to defend himself.

Lester Burnham wrote: Ahh, so this is what you say about me while I'm on vacation!

Lester Burnham wrote: Yeah, that's a hoot.

Micrówave wrote: Not as funny as Eddie Van Halen's entry: Born to Dutch immigrant parents, formed a band in the mid 70s with his brother and became known as an innovative guitarist. That's it? What a waste of time. You should link it with Wikipedia's entry, at least. I'm afraid to see what Steve Howe's says: A classical guitarist who gained fame with an English prog rock band? EDIT Well I was close: Steve Howe played "wandering minstrel" Spanish guitar on the track Innuendo. Wow, you guys can read liner notes!!! Congrats! Queenpedia is great for pictures and facts about albums and sleeves, but if you guys are serious about this, maybe you need some research assistance. Or don't bother to write anything about non-queen personel. That was pathetically lazy.

Micrówave wrote: Not as funny as Eddie Van Halen's entry: Born to Dutch immigrant parents, formed a band in the mid 70s with his brother and became known as an innovative guitarist. That's it? What a waste of time. You should link it with Wikipedia's entry, at least. I'm afraid to see what Steve Howe's says: A classical guitarist who gained fame with an English prog rock band? EDIT Well I was close: Steve Howe played "wandering minstrel" Spanish guitar on the track Innuendo. Wow, you guys can read liner notes!!! Congrats! Queenpedia is great for pictures and facts about albums and sleeves, but if you guys are serious about this, maybe you need some research assistance. Or don't bother to write anything about non-queen personel. That was pathetically lazy.

PieterMC wrote: I'm sorry that the Eddie Van Halen page does not get your seal of approval. It is a Queen site, not a site about these other artists.

Micrówave wrote: Funny, you guys handle criticism like Athiest.

Erin wrote: I'll get started on the 10 page Eddie Van Halen bio tonight. I know that his section will be the first place visitors go to for Queen info.

Micrówave wrote: Smart ass. How bout a link, since you don't know much about Eddie without reading it on-line, oh greatest website creator, ever.

Micrówave wrote: And I guess making any comment that doesn't say "Queenpedia is great" is a complaint. Forgive me for not praising how great it was. Oh wait, I did. Funny, you guys handle criticism like Athiest.

Micrówave wrote: This took me 2 minutes to cut and paste. From Wiki:

Lester Burnham wrote: In the meantime, for any and all Eddie Van Halen needs, I urge you all to look at Vanhalenpedia.com.

Lester Burnham wrote: Wow. I guess we should have had our priorities in order then.

Micrówave wrote: Grow up you people.

Micrówave wrote: 2. Sorry you can't handle criticism. Your website is the best thing on the internet. Happy?

Lester Burnham wrote: What more do you want us to say?

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote: Wow. I guess we should have had our priorities in order then.

Wow Lester, I'm shocked at the fact that YOU can't handle criticism either, and YOU'RE AN AUTHOR!!! I guess I better praise your Queen book as the greatest book written also, right? Grow up you people.

Erin wrote:

Micrówave wrote: Funny, you guys handle criticism like Athiest.

Constructive criticism is one thing, saying we are "pathetically lazy" for not having finished the Who's Who page is another.

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote: What more do you want us to say?

I don't know, maybe mention his band? They've sold more records in the US than Queen and you dismiss him as a "innovative guitarist". I simply suggested a link and laziness and look at all of you going nuts? No, you don't handle criticism well.

Micrówave wrote: Not as funny as Eddie Van Halen's entry: Born to Dutch immigrant parents, formed a band in the mid 70s with his brother and became known as an innovative guitarist. That's it? What a waste of time. You should link it with Wikipedia's entry, at least. I'm afraid to see what Steve Howe's says: A classical guitarist who gained fame with an English prog rock band? EDIT Well I was close: Steve Howe played "wandering minstrel" Spanish guitar on the track Innuendo. Wow, you guys can read liner notes!!! Congrats! Queenpedia is great for pictures and facts about albums and sleeves, but if you guys are serious about this, maybe you need some research assistance. Or don't bother to write anything about non-queen personel. That was pathetically lazy.

Micrówave should have wrote: What's up with the Who's Who section? It seems pretty incomplete. Are you planning on adding anything to the other musicians who have played with the band?

Lester Burnham would have replied: Yep, we will. It's pretty incomplete right now, but we'll get around to it in time.

Lester Burnham wrote: Grow up yourself. Nothing's perfect. My book's not perfect. Anyone who expects it to be perfect shouldn't be so delusional. I don't expect constant praise over my book, nor do I want it. I like to be told when something is wrong, but not when it's put in such a childish manner as how you did. I already explained that the Who's Who is a work-in-progress section of the site, and that we're concentrating on other things right now. We'll get around to fleshing out the other parts of the site, but you've gotta understand we want to focus on the discographies first.

Wow. I guess we should have had our priorities in order then. Instead of focusing on the condiments of the site -- y'know, the discographies and all that -- we should have started with the real meat by giving Mr. Van Halen a comprehensive biography.

PieterMC wrote: I think it's better to have SOMETHING on a page rather than nothing.

Micrówave wrote: Like I said, it doesn't even mention YES or VAN HALEN. Would you do that to Brian May?

Micrówave wrote: I figured your tone could handle my words, but my apologies. You should be the only one to be allowed to be a smart ass.

Micrówave wrote: You know, I could've gone on. Danny Miranda is a friend of mine. You didn't even mention that he's currently Blue Oyster Cult's bass player either, and a damn fine one. Steve Ferrone actually played on Brian May's album. That is not mentioned at all. (Another World) He is also currently the drummer for Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers and has worked with hundreds of pros. I understand this is a work in progress. But you asked for comments, right?

Micrówave wrote: You know, I could've gone on. Danny Miranda is a friend of mine. You didn't even mention that he's currently Blue Oyster Cult's bass player either, and a damn fine one.

Lester Burnham wrote: The way you handled your criticism was childish: "WOW YOU CAN READ LINER NOTES!!!!" Nice.

Lester Burnham wrote:

Micrówave wrote: I figured your tone could handle my words, but my apologies. You should be the only one to be allowed to be a smart ass.

Where did I say that? I didn't. You were a smart ass, so I was a smart ass.

Lester Burnham wrote: -- we should have started with the real meat by giving Mr. Van Halen a comprehensive biography.

Micrówave wrote: Ok, so where did you get that info on Steve Howe? And apparently you don't read ALL the liner notes. You missed Brian's ANOTHER WORLD. Steve Ferrone didn't just play a show with Brian.

Micrówave wrote: The way you wrote up Steve Howe, Eddie Van Halen, Danny Miranda, and Steve Ferrone was _________. You fill in the blank, Georg.

Micrówave wrote: The insult is that YOU DID COPY THE LINER NOTES. And went no further. Would have taken an extra 10 seconds, maybe, to add "of the band YES" or "of the band VAN HALEN". So what would you call it? Oversight?

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote:

Micrówave wrote: I figured your tone could handle my words, but my apologies. You should be the only one to be allowed to be a smart ass.

Where did I say that? I didn't. You were a smart ass, so I was a smart ass.

Uh, your first comment to me after I made one:

Lester Burnham wrote: -- we should have started with the real meat by giving Mr. Van Halen a comprehensive biography.

You started this game, not me.

PieterMC wrote: That's great. Want to write the page about him?

Lester Burnham wrote: How is your initial "criticism" not a smart ass one, especially that remark about reading liner notes?

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote: How is your initial "criticism" not a smart ass one, especially that remark about reading liner notes?

But, that's what you did, right?

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote: How is your initial "criticism" not a smart ass one, especially that remark about reading liner notes?

But, that's what you did, right? So it's not an insult. It just pissed you off because I hit the nail on the head. And I didn't call ANYONE lazy, I called the one-sentence write-up that. You took it as lazy, becuase you probably authored that.

Micrówave wrote: Sorry Lester, I hope we're chilling, because I would hate to think that you think I'm just some smart ass looking for problems. I'm not. I love Queen and everything about them. But I also think: 1. Steve Howe blows Brian away 2. Steve Ferrone blows Roger away 3. Brian blows Eddie away So, I thought you were just dismissing all these "other musicians" as inferiors. That's how your bios come off. I understand one sentence for Peter Straker or someone of his caliber. But the same treatment to people who've done a heck of a lot more? C'mon! It would take an extra 5 minutes to do a decent temporary page.

Micrówave wrote: But I also think: 1. Steve Howe blows Brian away 2. Steve Ferrone blows Roger away 3. Brian blows Eddie away

Lester Burnham wrote: 2. You don't seem to understand what "filler sentence" means. I keep saying it, and you keep conveniently glossing over it. When will you ever acknowledge that?

Lester Burnham wrote: 3. Regarding the lazy comment, it's not clear in your original remark that you were talking about the Steve Howe comment and not about us. That's where the misconception lies. And please don't interpret that as me being snarky.

Micrówave wrote:

Lester Burnham wrote: 2. You don't seem to understand what "filler sentence" means. I keep saying it, and you keep conveniently glossing over it. When will you ever acknowledge that?

Acknowledged. Now I know. And again, my apologies.

Lester Burnham wrote: 3. Regarding the lazy comment, it's not clear in your original remark that you were talking about the Steve Howe comment and not about us. That's where the misconception lies. And please don't interpret that as me being snarky.

Yes, I guess I could have been clearer on that. It was more of a *ha ha* comment, I didn't think you guys would literally think I'm calling you lazy. As I've said previously, it is a very nice site. And I don't think of you as "snarky". It's not often that I get a chance to talk to the author of a book I'm currently reading. Thank you for that.

Micrówave wrote: Eddie also married a TV star who became fat.

PieterMC wrote:

.*.Messenger: Jake Pyndle.*. wrote: I think it's funny how the first photo of the cassette single of 'The Show Must Go On' w/Bohemian Rhapsody is listed 'The Show Must Go On w/Keep Yourself Alive in the UK cassettes section.

Just a small error. Nothing amazingly funny :-) I will blame it all on Lester. He's not here to defend himself.

ern2150 wrote: Microwave, I think you need to heed a certain A. Yankovich's advice, and stick your head in yourself and get yourself a tan... DARE TO BE STUPID. Also, Weird Al's entry isn't as detailed as the 30 fansites about him, what gives :)

Queen Archivist wrote: We have some very interesting databases ourselves, as you might imagine, and maybe we will contribute too at some point.