Benn 03.08.2007 08:29 |
Greg, Given the excellent news on what we now know to exist officially in the band's film archive, what can you tell us of the audio archive, both studio and live? I fully appreciate that you may be bound by various NDAs etc, but if you have managed to come to an agreement with Jim Beach regarding the film material, could you possibly do the same for audio recordings? |
Queen Archivist 03.08.2007 09:19 |
No Benn. No chance Details of the studio sessions and out-takes remain secret, not least so as to make the Anthology box set as exciting and surprising as possible... which it DEFINITELY will be, I assure you. But it wouldn't be if everyone already knew details of what exists. It'll blow your mind one day, honestly. That info is private and none of my or your or anyone's business, quite frankly. I am 'employed' don't forget. This is my job of work - no different to you and your job of work and how you are also expected to keep things to yourself rather than tell it all to whoever happens to be in the pub at the time. I do only what I'm asked to do. Like i've said before, me giving details of the Queen sessions archive and content is no different to asking a doctor friend to tell you details of his/her patients, what they have wrong with them, etc.... or asking a person who works for a food manufacturer to disclose what they put in their secret recipes, or about details of what they have in their warehouse - details if stock and turnover. that is all private stuff. We should not expect to be told such things. Queen is not OBLIGED to make public any of that stuff no more than is the Coke company, or Woolworths or Boots or ICI or ESSO, or British Rail. Sorry, those things are nothing to do with me. No, I dunno when the Anthology will emerge. That's not my business either. It's up to the band. |
BradBjorkman5 03.08.2007 11:13 |
Queen Archivist wrote: No Benn. No chance Details of the studio sessions and out-takes remain secret, not least so as to make the Anthology box set as exciting and surprising as possible... which it DEFINITELY will be, I assure you. But it wouldn't be if everyone already knew details of what exists. It'll blow your mind one day, honestly. That info is private and none of my or your or anyone's business, quite frankly. I am 'employed' don't forget. This is my job of work - no different to you and your job of work and how you are also expected to keep things to yourself rather than tell it all to whoever happens to be in the pub at the time. I do only what I'm asked to do. Like i've said before, me giving details of the Queen sessions archive and content is no different to asking a doctor friend to tell you details of his/her patients, what they have wrong with them, etc.... or asking a person who works for a food manufacturer to disclose what they put in their secret recipes, or about details of what they have in their warehouse - details if stock and turnover. that is all private stuff. We should not expect to be told such things. Queen is not OBLIGED to make public any of that stuff no more than is the Coke company, or Woolworths or Boots or ICI or ESSO, or British Rail. Sorry, those things are nothing to do with me. No, I dunno when the Anthology will emerge. That's not my business either. It's up to the band.im guessing there is a studio version of Hangman in excellent quality |
pittrek 03.08.2007 11:29 |
No, there isn't. That has been told many times before. John S. Stuart probably has it, but not QP |
Benn 03.08.2007 11:59 |
Greg, I have to agree that QPL / The Band are not obliged in any way whatsoever to tell us anything, but.... I find it hard to digest that this information is of such high security status. Does the organisation believe that by giving out a few song titles and descriptions to the fan base, that this will then significantly reduce demand for any subsequent box set? I would have thought that it would do JUST the opposite - for example, confirming the existance of Hangman, a pre-edit Bohemian Rhapsody or additional material from the sessions with Bowie for example, would increase excitement and anticipation amongst the hard-core collectors and casual fans alike. What do you think are the next steps in getting this material "out there"? Is it simply band approval holding it back? |
CD 03.08.2007 13:23 |
That anthology box set will never or not for a very long, long time be released. No one in QP has a desire to make this happen and when they do it will be worthless because we will have most of the stuff. So if the boxset is to be a success they need effort and desire, none of which I think exists in QP. |
eiricd 03.08.2007 13:53 |
with all the activity around Queen&PR thue box set will no doubt be postponed for several years |
Penetration_Guru 03.08.2007 15:58 |
Queen Archivist wrote: Details of the studio sessions and out-takes remain secret, not least so as to make the Anthology box set as exciting and surprising as possible... which it DEFINITELY will be, I assure you. But it wouldn't be if everyone already knew details of what exists.I disagree with this. I reckon that if you said, for example, there are Brian/Roger vocals for every song they've written, an alternative lyric for We Will Rock You, and unreleased tracks named x, y, and z, it would make the anticipation even greater, not less! The only reason not to post a tracklisting now is in case some track gets removed by the time it's actually released. A little information creates publicity, awareness, demand. Zero information creates none of these. |
coops 04.08.2007 01:43 |
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Penetration_Guru 04.08.2007 04:49 |
OK, but would you feel less anticipation if someone said that the track "Treasure" was included? If we haven't heard something, our anticipation of it is unaffected by knowing the title. Another example - if someone let slip a couple of titles from the current QPR sessions, would the titles themselves put people off buying the thing when it eventually comes out? That's like walking into HMV, reading the tracklisting of a CD and deciding entirely based on the song titles not to buy it. |
Daz85 04.08.2007 06:33 |
There's no point in releasing info to create "hype" if we're several years away from the Anthology. |
CD 04.08.2007 06:36 |
I agree with penetration_guru. But GB also said that queen are not obliged to release anything well we are not either obliged to go to concerts, buy cds or anything like that. If we wanted we could get one person to buy a queen cd and then get them to share for free with us. We have not heard aby new Queen (Not QPR but Queen) for 13 years. Now, I know freddie is dead (RIP) but since there is some stuff of good quality yet to be released I think we should get it. Anyone else agree. |
dont try suicide 04.08.2007 06:51 |
greg, umm...keep at it buddy. i can call you buddy right? can you dig up a bickering session featuring john deacon and freddie in the studio circa 78 for me? just send it to my email. thanks greg. i owe you one. by the way, hows the sparks box set coming along? |
cmsdrums 04.08.2007 15:04 |
Darren Robins wrote: There's no point in releasing info to create "hype" if we're several years away from the Anthology.Yeah, we are several years away from the release aren't we - wasn't it in about 1997?!!!!!! In addition, Greg has continually in the past gone on about the fact that he truly believes that some of the unreleased material is so stunning that Queen will have anumber one single again. Well firstly, they won't if it never gets released, and secondly, who seriously (even in 2007) gives a shit about singles charts, let along in another 10 years or so if it ever comes out?!!??? |
bitesthedust 05.08.2007 03:20 |
cmsdrums wrote:The Anthology was originally planned for 1995/6 -after Made In Heaven was released.Darren Robins wrote: There's no point in releasing info to create "hype" if we're several years away from the Anthology.Yeah, we are several years away from the release aren't we - wasn't it in about 1997?!!!!!! In addition, Greg has continually in the past gone on about the fact that he truly believes that some of the unreleased material is so stunning that Queen will have anumber one single again. Well firstly, they won't if it never gets released, and secondly, who seriously (even in 2007) gives a shit about singles charts, let along in another 10 years or so if it ever comes out?!!??? Still waiting. |
Madman 05.08.2007 07:01 |
When anthology will be released we will have gray hair and hump on back and we will be deaf and blind :) |
thomasquinn 32989 05.08.2007 07:18 |
pittrek wrote: No, there isn't. That has been told many times before. John S. Stuart probably has it, but not QPNot "probably". He does. |
Darren1977 05.08.2007 08:17 |
Thank you, Bites The Dust. 1996 Was the year that the unreleased stuff was coming out and since then we have been fobbed off with re-releases of the same old shite. Fair enough we have had the excellent Video Hits DVD'S and Wembley, but i mean come on QP surely we will get something better before the end of this decade? |
Rien 05.08.2007 08:28 |
It's stated that Queen is the only band who had number 1 hits in the 70', 80's, 90's and the 00's (of this millenium), so in 4 decades in a row. If there is stunning material in the vaults that will give Queen another number 1 hit single, then my guess is it's released after 2010 :-) Number one hits in 5 decades... there can be only one :-D |
bitesthedust 05.08.2007 10:07 |
One thing that is forgotten with the anthology is that Brian/Roger wish for that to be the final chapter with Queen...therefore when they have finished as Queen, it will be released I guess. However, if Queen + whoever is not meant to be Queen, or replacing John/Freddie in any way, then surely the anthologies should be released? Leaving aside sentiment, this is a band who have not released anything new for 12 years and are unable to produce anything brand new. Which leaves us with old concerts, b-sides, demos etc. in the vaults gathering dust. As Queen - the lineup as we know it - are not an active band, just what are the powers at be waiting for? Regarding the releases since Made In Heaven - I appreciate QP was required to release 6 albums from 1990 onwards by Hollywood Records, but netherless it has been a wasted opportunity. The release of the complete first night at Wembley in 1986 was excellent, as was Milton Keynes 1982 but other than that what have we had in audio? Numerous compliations and broken promises. (Remember the mooted "Queen At The BBC" cd in 1995? The complete BBC sessions have still yet to be released, 12 years on.) |
AlexRocks 05.08.2007 11:52 |
Um...Queen are recording new material. Hopefully the original 15 studio l.p.s will be expanded to included quite a number of interesting things on them with some unreleased tracks, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, interviews, all of the short promotional films (music videos), 5.1, stereo, and documentary on the making of the album and the project itself. So hopefully something like that would be done in the next few years so there will not be this real long wait and then whatever is left can be used for some box set down the road. |
bitesthedust 05.08.2007 15:18 |
AlexRocks wrote: Um...Queen are recording new material. Hopefully the original 15 studio l.p.s will be expanded to included quite a number of interesting things on them with some unreleased tracks, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, interviews, all of the short promotional films (music videos), 5.1, stereo, and documentary on the making of the album and the project itself. So hopefully something like that would be done in the next few years so there will not be this real long wait and then whatever is left can be used for some box set down the road.I hate to criticise, but: 1) Queen - the line up as we know it - ceased recording in 1991 and released their final studio album 4 years later. 2) The studio albums have been released and then re-released numerous times already; Hollywood Records included remixes and B-sides as bonus tracks. 3) Nearly every Queen promotional music video has been released already in some form or another - the only two exceptions I can think of are the Top Of The Pops versions of Seven Seas Of Rhye and We Are The Champions promo video. 4) A 5.1 mix of A Night At The Opera has been done already, as has a DVD-A version of that as well as The Game. 5) Brief documentaries concerning the making of the 1980's albums (with interviews) appeared on Greatest Video Hits 2, and was briefly touched upon on the On Fire At The Bowl DVD release. |
Wet Willie 06.08.2007 05:05 |
Queen Archivist wrote: No Benn. No chance Details of the studio sessions and out-takes remain secret, not least so as to make the Anthology box set as exciting and surprising as possible... which it DEFINITELY will be, I assure you. But it wouldn't be if everyone already knew details of what exists. It'll blow your mind one day, honestly.Well, we know there's a Queen version of Man Made Paradise... as oyu said in the Freddie Box set... Here's a business proposal for you: I'll give you Belgian beers and chocolate for a listen to ten demos of my choice? Deal? |
Darren1977 07.08.2007 13:24 |
Why can't Greg get Brian May on this website and ask him when are we likely to see the Anthology Box Sets released, otherwise we are just going to go over and over the same old topics for years to come. If he meets the band and/or Jim Beach on a regular basis can one of them make an announcment. It's not that hard to do for christs sake. |
shadysenator 08.08.2007 18:56 |
1: John S S. has nothing special in his possion 2: No special (with fred) Queen music will be released, 'cause queen is recording new things with PR. 3 Greg brooks listed a dissapointing list of Queen video recordings...Greg which bits' and pieces are in the archieves ,tell us please 4 I agree the studio should be kept secret untill my unborn son can buy it at a supermarked in 2063 in the same section (and for the same pric as nowadays classical music is sold (30 cd box for 10 euro!)) 5 Damn that montreal release... 6 Basje A.: where are your statements of the rubbish you talked about since GB released his list, give us some proof of your lies....hehe |
Benn 09.08.2007 09:40 |
Shadysenator, re: >6 Basje A.: where are your statements of the rubbish you talked about since GB released his list, give us some proof of your lies....hehe That's rich isn't it? Coming from a complee buffoon such as yourself........? Darren, re: >Why can't Greg get Brian May on this website and ask him when are we likely to see the Anthology Box Sets released, otherwise we are just going to go over and over the same old topics for years to come. Because Brian is master of his own destiny and will do what he wants. Brian has almost certainly read what goes on here in the past and steers well clear due to some of the more colourful characters present. If you were Brian, would you? |
Darren1977 09.08.2007 14:07 |
If i was Brian May, i would think of the original fans that got him where he is today, money wise Greg , has given us an audio/video list of material currently in the archives, that's great but will the band sanction these releases, no because it's far easier to keep pressing old favourites such as Hits 1 and 2 which will sell millions every couple of years. Bands like Motley Crue re-issued all their back catalogue a couple of years ago and bolstered them with unreleased tracks/demoes etc.Fucking Brilliant, but will Queen,no, not while their Bank Manager Jim Beach is still involved What would you like to see released then? Surely not another Hits Album. I know we can't force them to release anything,but it would be great to see something announced for christmas at least! |
Nathan 09.08.2007 14:37 |
Just out of curiousity, just what have Queen released and re-released these past ten years? This is by no means a dig at anyone, but merely a question of curiousity from someone not in the know. |
PieterMC 09.08.2007 15:29 |
In no order. I am sure I am missing some. Queen Rocks Queen Rocks (Alternate Cover) Queen Rocks VHS Greatest Hits III Greatest Flix III Greatest Hits: We Will Rock You (USA) Platinum Collection Stone Cold Classics The A-Z Of Queen, Volume 1 (USA) Queen On Fire: Live At The Bowl (CD, LP, DVD) Return Of The Champions (CD, LP, DVD) Super Live In Japan Live At Wembley Stadium (CD, DVD) Jewels I & II (Japan) In Vision (Japan) The Best Of I (France) The Best Of II (France) Greatest Video Hits I Greatest Video Hits II A Night At The Opera 30th Anniversary Edition We Will Rock You The Musical Cast Album |
Darren1977 09.08.2007 15:55 |
The Platinum Collection was re-issued last christmas and entered the charts. |
Nathan 09.08.2007 16:05 |
Thanks Pieter. Quite an interesting list. |
John S Stuart 09.08.2007 22:38 |
shadysenator wrote: 1: John S S. has nothing special in his possion...shadysenator: As English is your second language I will forgive the spelling error: The correct version should be 'Possession'. Unfortunately, The remainder of your diatribe is unforgivable. Just how someone I do not know, becomes an expert in what I possess, is a complete mystery to me. Is this achieved with mirrors or wires, or is it genuinely a case of E.S.P? Any good researcher will tell you that primary sources are better than secondary sources, and that secondary sources are better than tertiary, and as THE primary source in question - let me assure you (without turning this into a p*ssing against a wall competition) that I certainly DO own material which even Queen Productions do not know exists, nor will they ever hear. If that does not qualify as anything special, then I guess you must be correct. |
John S Stuart 09.08.2007 22:46 |
Sorry - Double post. Not my fault - honest! |
Jakobe 10.08.2007 01:25 |
you can't take it with you. |
Benn 10.08.2007 04:45 |
Darren, re: If i was Brian May, i would think of the original fans that got him where he is today, money wise >Greg , has given us an audio/video list of material currently in the archives, that's great but will the band sanction these releases, no because it's far easier to keep pressing old favourites such as Hits 1 and 2 which will sell millions every couple of years. You say that with such certainty. Did we ever think that Milton Keynes would be released? On DVD maybe, but a stand-alone CD release was certainly a surprise. The FM boz was also something of a surprise too. >Bands like Motley Crue re-issued all their back catalogue a couple of years ago and bolstered them with unreleased tracks/demoes etc.Fucking Brilliant, but will Queen,no, not while their Bank Manager Jim Beach is still involved As did The Who, Jefferson Airplane, Free, Janis Joplin, Mountain etc. If Brian, Roger and John had the inclination and were to come to a collective decision to give the go ahead for ANY archive release, there would be little to stop it from happening. My guess is that whatever is around has been worked on and it's a case of literally opening the door to start the ball rolling. The problem "appears" to be that theband themselves are wary of lettign anything out that can not be sanctioned by Freddie. Put yourself in their position - they spent the whole of their adult lives making decisions about what to include on albums as a 4-man team. Sure they would have had input from other people along the way, but the final decision rested with the four. Now, they are faced with having to make the same decisions but without a crucial voice that was ever present, but is no longer. It's like losing a leg - the rest of the body functions pretty well, but not fully. This is the same with the Queen Machine; they do certain things well, but others terribly. We have our own opinions on what ought to happen, but there is nothing that we can do to influence the on-going business of QPL, short of no one buying anything in protest. |
gnomo 10.08.2007 05:11 |
Jakobe wrote: you can't take it with you.He can make sure it goes into the right hands, though... |
Rien 10.08.2007 06:29 |
The list of what has been released over the last years would be much longer if one includes all the collaborations with other artists Brian and Roger have done. Creating a musical (there we go again) and getting it to theatres over the world, going on tour solo and with Paul Rodgers, writing material for the Q+PR album and filmscores, contributing to BANG!, finishing his PhD, appearing on tv-shows, co-organizing 46664 etc etc. And even Brian has only 24hrs in one day. Queen (or Queen-productions) were always very talented in delaying releases, first of all to try and make it as good as possible (I know, I know... some questionmarks could be placed here) or just to keep the Queen-machine active and on the move. And indeed, years go by... But also, we are consumers. If one item is released we want the next one, without having digested the previous one yet... In 'the old days' we had to wait a whole year to hear something new from Queen where there was only vinyl, TOTP, radio and touring. Every now and then something is released. Things has come and will come to the surface, I'm sure. And if not through QP luckily there are fans and collectors out there really sharing material here. |
John S Stuart 10.08.2007 07:18 |
gnomo wrote:Here is another misconception which needs to be finally addressed - that I am some sort of hermit who sits on piles of Queen rarities which will all be burned when I die. The truth is, (as can be seen from the likes of the reply below), I am more than happy to help out Queen Productions. I have done so in the past, and I daresay, I would not mind doing so in the future. However, most bridges are built from the sides into the middle, and if Queen Productions do not wish to return communication with me - then that is their prerogative - and there is nothing I (or we) can do to force them to think otherwise. To show that this is indeed the case:Jakobe wrote: you can't take it with you.He can make sure it goes into the right hands, though... John S Stuart wrote: Thanks for the list.linkQueen Archivist wrote: That’s why Golders Green isn’t on here, for example… because we do not have that show on a serious format - only bits of it, like you have, on cassette. We don't even have an LP, or CD or DAT.As an addition: Golders Green IS available on serious format - apart from the FULL UNEDITED VERSION WHICH EXISTS AS A MASTER - the edited version also exists as a BBC transcription disc LP. I know this for sure - as I have both the BBC MASTER and the LP versions - but as far as I am aware - Queen Productions are already aware of this. So is this a case of BBC copyright - or does QP genuinely not hold a professional copy (or "...Serious format...") of this gig? If it is truely the case that QP do NOT have a MASTER COPY', I would CERTAINLY OFFER IT UP - provided certain caveats were in place. As a final example on this subject, please note how my mail on the last topic was the ONLY mail to be completely and discretely ignored. It seems that many people, whom I do not know, and I have never met, already hold to pre-conceived ideas about who I am, or what I own, and that I have denied access to numerous Queen rarities. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. |
Bobby_brown 10.08.2007 10:21 |
John S Stuart wrote: It seems that many people, whom I do not know, and I have never met, already hold to pre-conceived ideas about who I am, or what I own, and that I have denied access to numerous Queen rarities. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth.It´s good to know this. I had the impression from other discussions that you wouldn´t guive the studio version of "Hangman" for the box releases. I mean, if the Ibex tapes they´ve lost were mine i would probably do the same thing. But it´s good to know that you´re open to new colaborations, as long as they follow some lines to prevent the same thing to happen in the future. Take care |
FriedChicken 14.08.2007 21:35 |
I totally understand what Greg said in the beginning. That he cannot give information of the company he works for. If Queen Productions decides that whatever is archived is secret then so be it. And it's not fair to blame Greg for this. The only thing that bothers me is that Queen fans must be one of the must unlucky supergroup fans on the planet. Look at all the other supergroups, and see what stuff THEY released. And compare it what we have. The Beatles had the Anthology DVD's. Probably one of the best documentary's out there. It's about 5 dvds which, almost 100% focusses on the music of the band. Rather than on the private lives of the members. They go back to the studio's, talk about the music, play music and so on.. It was a documentary which was made by the band, the story of the band by the band. As many other big artists also have. And now.. What does Queen have? Nothing at all... Once in a while some strange filmcompany in Albania makes an un official (and bad) documentary. The closest thing we had was The Untold Story. It was a pretty good documentary. But it didn't focus on the music. It was only about Freddie's sexuality, aids, his youth and his parties. Hello guys???? Thats not what I want to see... I becamse a fan because of the music, not because of Freddie's private life. Most supergroups have had great re-releases. Queen's latest remasters (forgive me if i'm wrong) are from 1993. Ofcourse there's nothing wrong with that, since they sound great. But don't keep re-re-re-re-rereleasing stuff thats already out there. I guess we can't complain with our concert DVD's.. Thats pretty fair to say.. Okay.. they release Montreal 81 and Wembley '86 a lot, but who can blame them, those are the famous concerts. Every band releases the most famous concerts. Open up a random torrent website and look for Beatles outtakes. I have about 200 unique hours Beatles outtakes. the Beatles excisted for barely 10 years. Queen was around since 1970. All we have from Queen are about 15 complete songs (I'm not counting stuff like the Miracle samples and stuff like that) FIFTEEN! And none of that was officially released. Queen is one of the most collected bands in the world ever. Look at the most valuable items list in Rolling Stone and you can bet that Queen is up there in the top 5. One of the most collected bands and they don't even have a boxset released. No wonder everybody keeps recording the songs from conventions. It has people talking through it, it's in bad quality, it has Mr Brooks talking through them but hey... At least it's something we didn't hear before. And Queen Productions isn't putting it out. I totally understand that Queen Productions doesn't like fans recording the songs from Greg's Convention sessions. But if they really think about it.. They can't blame us, can they? |
wstüssyb 14.08.2007 23:12 |
Kudos Niek, Brilliant post. |
FriedChicken 14.08.2007 23:28 |
Cheers William! I also want to reply to Rien. I saw that he wrote a few postings before me that Roger and Brian have been busy with various things (46664, study, musical, touring, recording, and so on) and that they also have 24 hours in a day. I guess we all understand that, but meanwhile they DO release a Greatest Hits every now and then, so I guess they still do have some time to do that kind of stuff. I don't know exactly how many work Brian and Roger have to put in making a boxset. But as far as I know they outsource work. Greg checking the tapes, making selections, perhaps using the coffee machine every now and then. And a designer making the artwork. Ofcourse Brian and Roger will have a saying in all this, but it's not that they have to do everything themselves. Rien also said that something surfaces (I guess he means demos) every now and than. This is true ofcourse, but this is NEVER thanks to Queen Productions. It's always thanks to a fan that a new demo poppes up. When someone found an acetate, or bought a tape for example. And still... When all the big collectors would share there outtakes collection it's still a mere fraction of the stuff that fans from other bands can get through official releases. |
cmsdrums 15.08.2007 08:31 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: The Beatles had the Anthology DVD's. Probably one of the best documentary's out there. It's about 5 dvds which, almost 100% focusses on the music of the band. Rather than on the private lives of the members. They go back to the studio's, talk about the music, play music and so on.. It was a documentary which was made by the band, the story of the band by the band. As many other big artists also have. And now.. What does Queen have? Nothing at all... Once in a while some strange filmcompany in Albania makes an un official (and bad) documentary. The closest thing we had was The Untold Story. It was a pretty good documentary. But it didn't focus on the music. It was only about Freddie's sexuality, aids, his youth and his parties. Hello guys???? Thats not what I want to see... I becamse a fan because of the music, not because of Freddie's private life.I absolutely agree - when the Making of ANATO came out I was so excited by the promise of various things. Yes, we got Brian singing Good Company, but when Roger started to play I'm In Love With My Car both on the acoustic guitar, and again along to it on the drums, we got a couple of seconds before it morphed away into the oriignal track, when there was so much more to show. Again, the Bo Rhap Story TV documentary showd Brian and Roger revist the studio, yet almost as soon as they started playing, the commentary came in over the top and that was it. More music, (and a good breakdown of how it was recorded, mixed, various demos etc..) rather than the shagging and parties is what we want! |
Daveboy35 15.08.2007 11:02 |
Hi there i'm in the same thought that when ANATO was being analysed i loved it finding out the techinques and how this album was made, and of course the brian/roger footage about bohemian rhapsody/good company/IILWMC i too was annoyed that after 10secs it goes off. But i think that that footage will be seen in a future anthology type project and seen in all it's glory and that would be great to see, the date of this anthology project i think will happen in 2010 why? well we know queen release things on anniversary so it would be 40 years since queen formed and very apt it's only 3 years left to wait!"!!!!! aGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!. |
Penetration_Guru 15.08.2007 14:17 |
DAVIDBRENDAM wrote: Hi there i'm in the same thought that when ANATO was being analysed i loved it finding out the techinques and how this album was made, and of course the brian/roger footage about bohemian rhapsody/good company/IILWMC i too was annoyed that after 10secs it goes off. But i think that that footage will be seen in a future anthology type project and seen in all it's glory and that would be great to see, the date of this anthology project i think will happen in 2010 why? well we know queen release things on anniversary so it would be 40 years since queen formed and very apt it's only 3 years left to wait!"!!!!! aGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!.Greatest Hits 1981 Greatest Hits 2 1991 Can't see why they'd use their 39th anniversary myself... |
Daveboy35 16.08.2007 02:33 |
I always queen was formed in 1970 and john deacon was in from 1971??? and that's why i said 40th anniversary, but hey if i'm wrong so be it. |
Spiderpig 16.08.2007 07:55 |
Queen were formed in 1970. In fact they held a 21st party in 1991. |
Penetration_Guru 16.08.2007 13:39 |
er, I've got an official T shirt with the Innuendo faces on it and the words "20th Anniversary 1991" on the back. What's your source? |
cmsdrums 17.08.2007 08:21 |
The party they had in 1991 was billed as a 20th anniversary. The normal course of events is to wait until 20 years from an artists first release, as opposed to first forming, but as they knew Freddie would not be with us in another 2 years, it was decided to bringh tis forward. In addition, weren't the original Hollywood Promo 'Rocks' CDs brought out as a 20th Anniversary release in 1991?? |
PieterMC 17.08.2007 09:05 |
cmsdrums wrote: In addition, weren't the original Hollywood Promo 'Rocks' CDs brought out as a 20th Anniversary release in 1991??Yes they came out in 1991, but I'm not sure of the exact release date. |
Boy Thomas Raker 17.08.2007 09:31 |
Yes, Fried Chicken, excellent post. We are tremendously unlucky as fans who want musical treats, but to keep beating the dead horse, QP is all about money, and if you can release individual tracks to shitty collections and countless GH albums, there's not much incentive to release a definitive product. I think Jim Beach, Brian and Roger want to run this strategy until they can go no further, then we'll see a definitive collection. Unfortunately, for a guy who collected everything and seems to be the de facto guardian of the Queen legacy, I don't have a lot of faith in Brian's ability to get it right. |
Benn 17.08.2007 12:22 |
Boy Thomas Raker, Regarding Brian's role, I get exactly where you are coming from, but to be honest, it will ALL depend on exactly what role he or Roger or John has within the organisation. And what he's allowed to say / do. Look at the absolute LACK of Queen information on his own personal site for example. RARELY does he post anything there that relates directly to the band. I'd have thought he'd be using it to expand on his time with the guys, but if he's had to be bound by a non-disclosure agreement, perhaps he's also bound by other agreements that were signed that perhaps limit his input in to ANY decisions that are made. For example, as their business manager (or whatever he calls himself), does Jim Beach have a greater percentage of the say in the decision making process than Brian, Roger and John? Is his share of the pie greater than the share of the other there put together, given that he represents Freddie? I'd be extremely surprised if it was an equal 4-way split. This would / could therefore mean that Brian has pretty much NO control over anything that happens. News from him comes out pretty much at the same time any official news is released and contains little more than official press release material. Why would that be when he's supposed to be the artist in control? |
Boy Thomas Raker 17.08.2007 13:08 |
Interesting thoughts Benn, and I couldn't do anything but speculate on things. However, as Brian is at worst the spokesman for Queen by default, he is either out of touch, or so driven by money that he isn't make good artistic decisions. We all know that Jim Beach is a business guy, and he's done an amazing job of moving Queen product. There's a cost to that though, and the cost is Queen's reputation as a serious band. Brian has complained on a thousand occasions on how people focus on Queen's hits to the detriment of their catalogue. But really, QP has an agreement that all of those compilations have Queen as the first song of CD1. They aren't using Lily of the Valley for "Songs to bawl your eyes out to, vol. 29, it's a previously released single such as "Save Me", or "WWTLF." Then there's the 3 official GH albums, plus Stone Cold Classics, plus the new Wal Mart release. Plus the greatest hits musical. So they focus on that, and when they get a chance to address their greatness, we get an effort like the 30th anniversary of ANATO, which was a colossal joke. Queen, and Brian, were known for their fights in the studio. Brian is quoted as saying that they all bristled under the direction of Roy Thomas Baker on the first two albums, when the band had tons of creative ideas (Roger hated RTB's method of damping the drum sound) and said they had to go along with it as "we were the boys, and they were the bosses." After that, Brian said that after SHA, their producers were more like referee's and less directors. So given the fact that they'd fight for everything, I'd be surprised that they'd be afraid to speak up to Jim Beach if they had a quarrel, which leads me to believe that they are happier selling units than putting out meaningful product. There was a fantastic, well balanced article in MOJO about 6 years ago, and the premise was Queen were either rock's last revolutionaries who were risk takers without peers, or cynical opportunists who milked the middle and their music suffered. I think until Jazz, they were revolutionaries, after that, I think they wanted to put out well crafted music that was less daring, but more accessible, which is where they are today with their bland releases. |