QueenZone discussion #1024410

Atheist wrote: i feel sorry for the people in usa, their leader is a nazi and their country will fall apart soon and their liberty taken away.

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:

Atheist wrote: i feel sorry for the people in usa, their leader is a nazi and their country will fall apart soon and their liberty taken away.

Not before we kill all the Jews.

Sparrow wrote: ah, there you go again...

<font color=fuchsia>Thirtynine ? wrote: Luckily in this country, we can replace Nazis every 4 years if we want to.

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:

Atheist wrote: i feel sorry for the people in usa, their leader is a nazi and their country will fall apart soon and their liberty taken away.

Not before we kill all the Jews.

Nathan wrote: Three words.... God Bless America.

Atheist wrote:

<font color=fuchsia>Thirtynine ? wrote: Luckily in this country, we can replace Nazis every 4 years if we want to.

watch this very interesting interview and you will wake up

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<font color=fuchsia>Thirtynine ? wrote: Luckily in this country, we can replace Nazis every 4 years if we want to.

watch this very interesting interview and you will wake up

Listen, listen, he knows the truth! No, he OWNS the truth! Bla bla bla.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Atheist, kindly shut the fuck up. You give the SENSIBLE people who oppose Bush a bad name. Then again, you give musicians, and let's not forget, humanity in general, a bad name.

Atheist wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Atheist, kindly shut the fuck up. You give the SENSIBLE people who oppose Bush a bad name. Then again, you give musicians, and let's not forget, humanity in general, a bad name.

you are a stupid idiot, FACT

Atheist wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<font color=fuchsia>Thirtynine ? wrote: Luckily in this country, we can replace Nazis every 4 years if we want to.

watch this very interesting interview and you will wake up

Listen, listen, he knows the truth! No, he OWNS the truth! Bla bla bla.

can you say brain dead after me? people are so fucking stupid, they deserve to be slaves, which is what the government is planning for them fuck stupid people

<font color=brianJM>RollingBowieQueen wrote: I thought America was run by someone a bit lacking in the intelligence department? So I thought you and him would get along well?

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<font color=fuchsia>Thirtynine ? wrote: Luckily in this country, we can replace Nazis every 4 years if we want to.

watch this very interesting interview and you will wake up

Listen, listen, he knows the truth! No, he OWNS the truth! Bla bla bla.

can you say brain dead after me? people are so fucking stupid, they deserve to be slaves, which is what the government is planning for them fuck stupid people

Why don't you move away to a better place then? I don't understand how some people can spend their entire lives complaining about their country and not getting the fuck out of there.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

<font color=brianJM>RollingBowieQueen wrote: I thought America was run by someone a bit lacking in the intelligence department? So I thought you and him would get along well?

Just goes to show that stupidity is not only new and improved, but also comes in different varieties.

Atheist wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

<font color=brianJM>RollingBowieQueen wrote: I thought America was run by someone a bit lacking in the intelligence department? So I thought you and him would get along well?

Just goes to show that stupidity is not only new and improved, but also comes in different varieties.

you call me stupid when you know shit about whats really happening in the world? do you know that bush and his buddies are planning a new world order with a 1 world government and army? bush new world order speech link new america link do you know that they plan to microchip people eventually? they are starting it with RFID chips first link Do you have a brain? i thought so, i bet you didnt know shit about these issues before this

Atheist wrote: do you know that bush and his buddies are planning a new world order with a 1 world government and army?

Atheist wrote: fuck stupid people

<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: Not only is the topic starter of this thread a degenerate, but even the responders give us their own little smart ass remark. If you find something pointless or even obnoxiously offensive just leave it alone.

Atheist wrote: can you prove that im wrong? i thought so

Micrówave wrote:

Atheist wrote: can you prove that im wrong? i thought so

Yes, I can. But this is for Athiest only, we are not worthy. Go to link

Atheist wrote:

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:

Atheist wrote: i feel sorry for the people in usa, their leader is a nazi and their country will fall apart soon and their liberty taken away.

Not before we kill all the Jews.

those "jews" at the top are the nazis

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote:

Atheist wrote: i feel sorry for the people in usa, their leader is a nazi and their country will fall apart soon and their liberty taken away.

Not before we kill all the Jews.

those "jews" at the top are the nazis

Jewish Nazis!? It IS a conspiracy!

fatty wrote: Oh it's so easy to mock but Athiest seems to be the only person in here that isn't blind to the truth. I too believe that Bush is secretly planning a new world order with the help of the jews and the freemasons. I have even uncovered a secret plot by the CIA to catch the Loch Ness monster and fly her back to the states. Bush wants to unleash the monster to wreak havoc in New York city so he can blame Scotland and invade us to steal our North Sea oil reserves. I'm with Athiest on this one and when we rally the other freedom fighters together and overthrow Bush, Athiest will be our new emperor. Now bow before Athiest and his glorious new regime. fatty.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

fatty wrote: Oh it's so easy to mock but Athiest seems to be the only person in here that isn't blind to the truth. I too believe that Bush is secretly planning a new world order with the help of the jews and the freemasons. I have even uncovered a secret plot by the CIA to catch the Loch Ness monster and fly her back to the states. Bush wants to unleash the monster to wreak havoc in New York city so he can blame Scotland and invade us to steal our North Sea oil reserves. I'm with Athiest on this one and when we rally the other freedom fighters together and overthrow Bush, Athiest will be our new emperor. Now bow before Athiest and his glorious new regime. fatty.

LOL! That's a new classic!

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

Atheist wrote: just keep being stupid and naive, you all deserve whats coming to you

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: you know, atheist, you're technically not an atheist.

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: no. you aren't an atheist just the same. the fact that you acknowledge that there are man made gods though you don't believe in them makes you NOT an atheist.

Atheist wrote: you call me stupid when you know shit about whats really happening in the world?

i believe in nothing since i dont know anything about it ok? NO ONE knows shit about this existence

Atheist wrote:

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: no. you aren't an atheist just the same. the fact that you acknowledge that there are man made gods though you don't believe in them makes you NOT an atheist.

i believe in nothing since i dont know anything about it ok? NO ONE knows shit about this existence

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Atheist wrote: you call me stupid when you know shit about whats really happening in the world?

This is the only thing I can add: link

i believe in nothing since i dont know anything about it ok? NO ONE knows shit about this existence

But I do agree with this statement... though it's the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.

inmydefence wrote: who is to say what IS and what ISN'T propaganda? I find it hard to believe that the world trade center(s) fell to the ground solely because those planes flew into them. it would make them the first skyscraper in history to collapse for that reason. other have burned hotter and longer before and not collapsed. I find it equally ridiculous that there is only ONE video available of the "plane" hitting the pentagon. and its impossible from the video to see this "plane". its difficult to believe that a boeing could be flown that low at that such a high speed by someone who was refused a pilots license. I'm not saying that america is run by nazi's! thats a ridiculous statement. but i also think people shouldn't be too quick to swallow what the american media feeds us. the "war on terror"! a ridiculous name! ie. an excuse to invade a country (iraq) who had nothing to do with sept 11th! on the basis that they had WMD's. which they hadn't. good thing they secured all that oil too though. I feel like half of the reports you get on CNN about the "war on terror" are propaganda. To be honest if people can believe in things that NO-ONE can prove exists and are willing to DIE for their belief, why is it so ridiculous for someone to have an open mind about what is and what isn't propaganda. just my tuppence worth!

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: OK.....I also find it amusing that the same people who think that the Bush administration is the single most incompetent entity since the dawm of time had the ability to covertly plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks.... Just boggles the mind. Wouldn't one logically think that, if, in fact, that happened, that they would have also had the foresight to go into Iraq and plant WMD's to find? One would think that would be a far easier task than planning three simultaneous attacks on American soil....get some old bombs, pour some Anthrax or whatever in it, stick some "Iraq WMD" stickers on it, and presto. Problem solved. Sheesh.

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

No, no, if you watch the documentary your mind will degenerate into pudding, and your own internal organs will attempt to kill you, but as your brain was pudding beforehand anyway, it has no effect upon you whatsoever. You can watch it all you like, it's safe. However, we must protect the rest of the planet from suffering such a horrible fate as you do. So be a brave lad, and serve as a good example why regular inhaling of solvents is pretty bad for you.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: I'm afraid it is YOU who is acting completely stupid here. Of course the song comes from within you. That's called "inspiration". However, a song does not just "come to you" completely finished. Often, it is just a single motif, or a phrase. And even when it is a phrase, maybe even a lengthy one, it doesn't come fully arranged for the setting you wish to play it in (a small jazz combo? a big band? a classical orchestra? a 5-piece rock band?). Then, theory comes in. By studying the science and the art of music, you will know what the listener EXPECTS to hear, allowing you to suspend this point, or to surprise the listener, for instance. Also, understanding the PHILOSOPHY OF MUSIC will help you in understanding WHY something sounds the way it does, thus allowing you to understand other compositions better, as well as your own, and allowing you to create more sophisticated and more original music. Finally, the SCIENCE OF MUSIC deals with the mathematical functions, of which music (being a succession of frequencies) is made up, and allows you to experiment with sound even further. None of the "great artists of the '80s" you like to rave on about would've been there without the basic understanding of music theory they had, and none of the great bands such as Queen, such as Led Zeppelin, such as The Doors, such as [fill in the blanks with nearly anyone you like] would've been able to come up with the music they did, had they not researched the history, science, art and philosophy of music. Take for a good example, Johan Sebastian Bach, whose compositions are famous for their originality, pleasant sound, creativity and ingenuity. He composed almost completely by reasoning what note should go where, employing extensively the theories of music, and disregarding them where relevant. You, on the other hand, act like a bad punk-band playing a cliché I-IV-V progression in barré chords on your guitar and yelling about how that's the best thing the world has ever heard, and how you invented music itself.

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: OK.....I also find it amusing that the same people who think that the Bush administration is the single most incompetent entity since the dawm of time had the ability to covertly plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks.... Just boggles the mind. Wouldn't one logically think that, if, in fact, that happened, that they would have also had the foresight to go into Iraq and plant WMD's to find? One would think that would be a far easier task than planning three simultaneous attacks on American soil....get some old bombs, pour some Anthrax or whatever in it, stick some "Iraq WMD" stickers on it, and presto. Problem solved. Sheesh.

inmydefence wrote:

Haystacks Calhounski wrote: OK.....I also find it amusing that the same people who think that the Bush administration is the single most incompetent entity since the dawm of time had the ability to covertly plan and carry out the 9/11 attacks.... Just boggles the mind. Wouldn't one logically think that, if, in fact, that happened, that they would have also had the foresight to go into Iraq and plant WMD's to find? One would think that would be a far easier task than planning three simultaneous attacks on American soil....get some old bombs, pour some Anthrax or whatever in it, stick some "Iraq WMD" stickers on it, and presto. Problem solved. Sheesh.

Firstly, i dont think the bust administration are at all incompetent. i think bush is an idiot. I've seldom seen someone make more of a tit of himself on national tv before. Some of the utterly STUPID things he's said are unbelievable. Its the people around him that tell him what to do/say/think are the ones that are dangerous. Maybe the bush admin didn't NEED to co-ordinate the three attacks on home soil because that was done for them by a terrorist organisation (although i wouldn't put it past em that they helped the towers on their way down). I mean come on. If there has EVER been a country thats concious of its national security then its the USA. so HOW could this attack possible of happened? in my opinion, i believe they LET it happen. its exactly what they needed as an excuse to start an economic future saving WAR on TERROR! which is ridiculous, because as long as you can scare people into thinking they're in danger then you have good reason to remain "at war" with the terrorists. i mean, its hardly a coincidence that with all the DOCUMENTED opportunities the USA has had to blow the hell out of osama and OOOPS! he got away again! As for the WMD's... why plant things and risk getting your hands dirty when you can just blame someone else? ... sorry bad intelligence! prob solved. Its something completely different... but when the 7/7 bombings took place in london, why did the police chase someone for ages, and when they caught up with him shot him 8 times in the head? i would have thought one shot would be enough? maybe two? but EIGHT??!! they really wanted to make sure he didnt survive. and apparently he wasn't even a terrorist? what did this guy know before he was brutally killed? i wonder if the other bombers knew they were terrorists themsleve?? it really makes you wonder, because these "attacks" came along EXACTLY when Blair needed them, as he was taking so much critisism for the his helping bush in the war, at a time when everyone would be thinking politics because it was on the 1st day of G8. (gramatical nightmare that last sentence! nevermind!) Again, I'll probably be flamed and called a conspiricy nut for being Skeptical and having an open mind. But dont think i believe this because i haven't heard the alleged "reasons" these events panned out as they did! I Have heard the other side, i just choose not to buy into what they tell us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not playing down these events, i feel deeply sorry for anyone caught up in these tragic events. I just dont trust politicians! pity the converse has turned into bickering with atheist because its nice to have a good discusion going! even if most of you dont agree with me!

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

No, no, if you watch the documentary your mind will degenerate into pudding, and your own internal organs will attempt to kill you, but as your brain was pudding beforehand anyway, it has no effect upon you whatsoever. You can watch it all you like, it's safe. However, we must protect the rest of the planet from suffering such a horrible fate as you do. So be a brave lad, and serve as a good example why regular inhaling of solvents is pretty bad for you.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Atheist wrote: you call me stupid when you know shit about whats really happening in the world?

This is the only thing I can add: link

i believe in nothing since i dont know anything about it ok? NO ONE knows shit about this existence

But I do agree with this statement... though it's the only thing you have ever said that I agree with.

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

No, no, if you watch the documentary your mind will degenerate into pudding, and your own internal organs will attempt to kill you, but as your brain was pudding beforehand anyway, it has no effect upon you whatsoever. You can watch it all you like, it's safe. However, we must protect the rest of the planet from suffering such a horrible fate as you do. So be a brave lad, and serve as a good example why regular inhaling of solvents is pretty bad for you.

Is my brain pudding?

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

Atheist wrote:

<Font color=Wade> Deaky's <h6>Microwave? wrote:

Atheist wrote: its bigger than that, usa has a plan for the whole world not just 1 country

good thing I live in Australia then :P

yes but you see this concerns the whole world, if you watch that documentry you will understand.

No, no, if you watch the documentary your mind will degenerate into pudding, and your own internal organs will attempt to kill you, but as your brain was pudding beforehand anyway, it has no effect upon you whatsoever. You can watch it all you like, it's safe. However, we must protect the rest of the planet from suffering such a horrible fate as you do. So be a brave lad, and serve as a good example why regular inhaling of solvents is pretty bad for you.

Is my brain pudding?

It depends. Did you watch the documentary in a "Hey, I'm watching Comedy Central" sort of way, or were you watching it in a "it's on tv so it's true" sort of way? There is an easy test: can you still breathe and move at the same time? If so, you're still safe.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: They aren't. But, listen carefully, as this will be helpful to you too: they are also bureaucrats. Therefore, they are predictable: they don't lie because they want to cover something up, they lie because they are ordered to. Thus they work in a routine, thus they are not foolproof liars! I understand HOW and WHEN they lie, and so will you, if you take as little as a week to research the subject properly (and you can do it all from your computer, so long as you THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW ALREADY AND *WHAT YOU STILL NEED TO FIND OUT ABOUT*). The people in your documentary, however, do something useful on the one hand, but don't realize it on the other. They are attempting to fit their own conspiracy-theory into the errors in the official story. To do so, they maim the truth even further, by bending or breaking the evidence that is NOT falsified. However, they DID achieve something useful: they uncovered several flaws in the evidence. Indeed, the government is covering something up, but these conspiracy-theories do not cover the real, verifiable evidence. If we are to find out what really went on, we must not let our fantasies carry us away, we must look at what we can make sure is true!

inmydefence wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: They aren't. But, listen carefully, as this will be helpful to you too: they are also bureaucrats. Therefore, they are predictable: they don't lie because they want to cover something up, they lie because they are ordered to. Thus they work in a routine, thus they are not foolproof liars! I understand HOW and WHEN they lie, and so will you, if you take as little as a week to research the subject properly (and you can do it all from your computer, so long as you THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW ALREADY AND *WHAT YOU STILL NEED TO FIND OUT ABOUT*). The people in your documentary, however, do something useful on the one hand, but don't realize it on the other. They are attempting to fit their own conspiracy-theory into the errors in the official story. To do so, they maim the truth even further, by bending or breaking the evidence that is NOT falsified. However, they DID achieve something useful: they uncovered several flaws in the evidence. Indeed, the government is covering something up, but these conspiracy-theories do not cover the real, verifiable evidence. If we are to find out what really went on, we must not let our fantasies carry us away, we must look at what we can make sure is true!

What you're saying makes perfect sense. but even if you begin to talk about these flaws in the evidence, INSTANTLY you're brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and your credibility is 0. Its the same if you question the reason for the war! as long as we are led to believe terrorism is a threat, (and lets face it, it ALWAYS HAS BEEN in one form or another) then they can continue to fight their "war on terror" If you argue against it you are helping the terrorists in some way! When you question what the government says happened on sept 11th then you're a Conspiracy Theorist and your questions require no answer! awfully convenient for them eh?

Atheist wrote:

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: ^is this in relation to what i said? just wondering.

no. you aren't an atheist just the same. the fact that you acknowledge that there are man made gods though you don't believe in them makes you NOT an atheist.

inmydefence wrote: To be honest if people can believe in things that NO-ONE can prove exists and are willing to DIE for their belief, why is it so ridiculous for someone to have an open mind about what is and what isn't propaganda. just my tuppence worth!

What you're saying makes perfect sense. but even if you begin to talk about these flaws in the evidence, INSTANTLY you're brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and your credibility is 0.

Atheist wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: I'm afraid it is YOU who is acting completely stupid here. Of course the song comes from within you. That's called "inspiration". However, a song does not just "come to you" completely finished. Often, it is just a single motif, or a phrase. And even when it is a phrase, maybe even a lengthy one, it doesn't come fully arranged for the setting you wish to play it in (a small jazz combo? a big band? a classical orchestra? a 5-piece rock band?). Then, theory comes in. By studying the science and the art of music, you will know what the listener EXPECTS to hear, allowing you to suspend this point, or to surprise the listener, for instance. Also, understanding the PHILOSOPHY OF MUSIC will help you in understanding WHY something sounds the way it does, thus allowing you to understand other compositions better, as well as your own, and allowing you to create more sophisticated and more original music. Finally, the SCIENCE OF MUSIC deals with the mathematical functions, of which music (being a succession of frequencies) is made up, and allows you to experiment with sound even further. None of the "great artists of the '80s" you like to rave on about would've been there without the basic understanding of music theory they had, and none of the great bands such as Queen, such as Led Zeppelin, such as The Doors, such as [fill in the blanks with nearly anyone you like] would've been able to come up with the music they did, had they not researched the history, science, art and philosophy of music. Take for a good example, Johan Sebastian Bach, whose compositions are famous for their originality, pleasant sound, creativity and ingenuity. He composed almost completely by reasoning what note should go where, employing extensively the theories of music, and disregarding them where relevant. You, on the other hand, act like a bad punk-band playing a cliché I-IV-V progression in barré chords on your guitar and yelling about how that's the best thing the world has ever heard, and how you invented music itself.

freddie didnt take any singing lessons and yet he was and still is the best singer of all time bar none, sure it doesnt hurt to know a little about music theory but if you cant write good songs it doesnt mean shit. We personally dont need it and can create better music than many of those people with music education, its all about emotion and musical talent, if you have it then you have it.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: ^is this in relation to what i said? just wondering.

You mean, this?:

no. you aren't an atheist just the same. the fact that you acknowledge that there are man made gods though you don't believe in them makes you NOT an atheist.

I disagree. Answering the ultimate questions in life is very often the furthest thing from black and white. Religion often makes them black and white, so you don't have to think about them for yourself, since the answers are given to you in a nice and presentable form. However, for those who don't buy into these kinds of ideas, and with enough research come to acknowledge that man created these ideas throughout history, it doesn't make sense to say that all these people who have chosen this path are atheists. They can be atheists, agnostics, or anything, really. It all depends on what you define "God" or the "ultimate" as. The possibilities are endless, because it is all philosophy. It is belief in what cannot be proven. Therefore, all options are valid unless/until they can be proven wrong.

inmydefence wrote: To be honest if people can believe in things that NO-ONE can prove exists and are willing to DIE for their belief, why is it so ridiculous for someone to have an open mind about what is and what isn't propaganda. just my tuppence worth!

And a fine tuppence! I just brought the word "propaganda" into the discussion to hopefully spark some independent thought in our beloved friend "Atheist". I wasn't referring to anything specifically as propaganda.

What you're saying makes perfect sense. but even if you begin to talk about these flaws in the evidence, INSTANTLY you're brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and your credibility is 0.

Exactly... it's the "either you're with us or you're against us" mentality.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

<font color="ffa500"><b> chickenlicious! wrote: ^is this in relation to what i said? just wondering.

You mean, this?:

no. you aren't an atheist just the same. the fact that you acknowledge that there are man made gods though you don't believe in them makes you NOT an atheist.

I disagree. Answering the ultimate questions in life is very often the furthest thing from black and white. Religion often makes them black and white, so you don't have to think about them for yourself, since the answers are given to you in a nice and presentable form. However, for those who don't buy into these kinds of ideas, and with enough research come to acknowledge that man created these ideas throughout history, it doesn't make sense to say that all these people who have chosen this path are atheists. They can be atheists, agnostics, or anything, really. It all depends on what you define "God" or the "ultimate" as. The possibilities are endless, because it is all philosophy. It is belief in what cannot be proven. Therefore, all options are valid unless/until they can be proven wrong.

inmydefence wrote: To be honest if people can believe in things that NO-ONE can prove exists and are willing to DIE for their belief, why is it so ridiculous for someone to have an open mind about what is and what isn't propaganda. just my tuppence worth!

And a fine tuppence! I just brought the word "propaganda" into the discussion to hopefully spark some independent thought in our beloved friend "Atheist". I wasn't referring to anything specifically as propaganda.

What you're saying makes perfect sense. but even if you begin to talk about these flaws in the evidence, INSTANTLY you're brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and your credibility is 0.

Exactly... it's the "either you're with us or you're against us" mentality.

inmydefence wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: They aren't. But, listen carefully, as this will be helpful to you too: they are also bureaucrats. Therefore, they are predictable: they don't lie because they want to cover something up, they lie because they are ordered to. Thus they work in a routine, thus they are not foolproof liars! I understand HOW and WHEN they lie, and so will you, if you take as little as a week to research the subject properly (and you can do it all from your computer, so long as you THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW ALREADY AND *WHAT YOU STILL NEED TO FIND OUT ABOUT*). The people in your documentary, however, do something useful on the one hand, but don't realize it on the other. They are attempting to fit their own conspiracy-theory into the errors in the official story. To do so, they maim the truth even further, by bending or breaking the evidence that is NOT falsified. However, they DID achieve something useful: they uncovered several flaws in the evidence. Indeed, the government is covering something up, but these conspiracy-theories do not cover the real, verifiable evidence. If we are to find out what really went on, we must not let our fantasies carry us away, we must look at what we can make sure is true!

What you're saying makes perfect sense. but even if you begin to talk about these flaws in the evidence, INSTANTLY you're brushed off as a conspiracy theorist and your credibility is 0.

Its the same if you question the reason for the war! as long as we are led to believe terrorism is a threat, (and lets face it, it ALWAYS HAS BEEN in one form or another) then they can continue to fight their "war on terror" If you argue against it you are helping the terrorists in some way!

When you question what the government says happened on sept 11th then you're a Conspiracy Theorist and your questions require no answer! awfully convenient for them eh?

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: I'm a nazi, I run America, and I bite. Well, not really true... Except for "I bite", maybe.

<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:

<font color="lime">Raf840 wrote: I'm a nazi, I run America, and I bite. Well, not really true... Except for "I bite", maybe.

Ah, but only by request, I hear.

inmydefence wrote:

Atheist wrote:

what is the solution for "war on terror"? it can only be ONE thing and that is TOTAL control over the people meaning big brother and microchip in your hand so that no "terror attacks" can happen again. Its pretty easy to figure that out really

Micrówave wrote: Athiest- I just had a "movement" and out came an RIFD chip. Would you like it for your evidence file? The thing is nearly a foot long, you'd think I would have noticed it before.