| Togg 18.07.2007 11:51 |
Don't know about you guys but I for one am looking forward to this being released, as I understand it the model will be a considerable jump up from the current version. They have just finished sourcing the version and it is already in production Word on the street is it will be retailing about the £2000-£2500k mark and be in the shops about October ish... |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.07.2007 12:31 |
WTF? For that kind of money, you could buy yourself a vintage Gibson Les Paul if you were to bother actually looking for it!!! |
| john bodega 18.07.2007 13:24 |
What have they changed/spruced up in this? That is a lot of money........ !!! |
| NTL 18.07.2007 17:00 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: WTF? For that kind of money, you could buy yourself a vintage Gibson Les Paul if you were to bother actually looking for it!!!Yes you could, but why if you dont want a vintage Les Paul? |
| Adam Baboolal 18.07.2007 22:50 |
Exchange rates! Heehee. I like having the pound right now. So easy to get good bargains in the USA. Anyway, back to the main thread. Yes, the more pro model will be a nice step up. But, what's this about £2000-2500?? Where the heck did you hear that? Just funny that you have a price-point but haven't read the Fryer/KZ story. I see it hasn't hit over here yet. Here's a link = link It's an interesting move, but considering the KZjnr was roughly £1800, I don't see how mass producing such a guitar will make its price leap! Surely, it's the other way around? I'm sure they're still aiming at a £1500 estimate price point. Also, I don't expect this guitar until next year at the earliest. Surely... Adam. |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.07.2007 07:32 |
NTL wrote:If you don't want a vintage Les Paul, you won't want a Brian May, and if you are the type who'd like a Brian May, you'd also know that you'd get a far better guitar if you bought a vintage Gibson Les Paul.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: WTF? For that kind of money, you could buy yourself a vintage Gibson Les Paul if you were to bother actually looking for it!!!Yes you could, but why if you dont want a vintage Les Paul? |
| john bodega 19.07.2007 09:58 |
I really can't comment on these high end guitars because I've no knowledge of them - by that I mean 'real' knowledge, as in having picked one up and played it and gotten my own evaluation!! I still feel the Burns is a bit overpriced. If you're going to cough up that much money, they could give you something more than a bridge you might find on a Squire... Now that I have owned it for a year, I don't really have any regrets. I take care of it, and it takes care of me! Looks nicer with a white scratchplate, though.... |
| Boy Thomas Raker 19.07.2007 11:13 |
Well, if you're a musician who likes the Red Special, which is totally unique in the world of rock, then a vintage Les Paul or Strat is kind of useless. If you're buying as an investor, the original Guild's, which were SRP of $1,200 in the US, can now fetch up to $3,000. That's a pretty good rate of return over 20 years. |
| Jeroen 19.07.2007 11:46 |
There's nothing wrong with not wanting a Gibson Les Paul. Sure, they are regarded as one of the better guitars on market - it also has the most distinguised settings that make it 'different' to play like any other guitar. One should like that. I don't - no matter how much I like the sound. Anyway; the new version MUST be a big difference, as most of the commercially available BM guitars are not great. As in they are cheap. (Note for instance indead the cheapest of cheapest bridge on all the models.) The Burns, Guild AND new BM guitars are all pretty useless as they come from the factory. A 'serious' guitarplayer HAS to customise it. Then again... I cannot imagine ANY 'serious' guitarist buying a Red Special as his main guitar. The new pro SHOULD have a decent bridge and tremolo system, SHOULD have more decent pickups, etc etc. One can buy a Fender Strat for a couple of hundred euro's but also a Fender Strat of a couple of thousand. You can buy a thousand euro Gibson Les Paul - you can also buy a 7000 euro Gibson Les Paul Carlos Santana signature model. I assume the difference with this guitar will be alike. Still, I need to see first if it beets the Guitons - which are still the best BM guitars out there by far. (AND the most expensive! ;-) |
| NTL 19.07.2007 11:59 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote:Dont agree with that at all. Have 3 BM's and an old Les Paul Studio and IMO all my BM's piss on the Les Paul, for me its the perfect guitar.NTL wrote:If you don't want a vintage Les Paul, you won't want a Brian May, and if you are the type who'd like a Brian May, you'd also know that you'd get a far better guitar if you bought a vintage Gibson Les Paul.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: WTF? For that kind of money, you could buy yourself a vintage Gibson Les Paul if you were to bother actually looking for it!!!Yes you could, but why if you dont want a vintage Les Paul? |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.07.2007 14:49 |
I've played two of the high-end BM reproductions, a Gibson Flying-V from the late '60s I believe, Gibson Les Paul and Les Paul Special, and every Fender Strat in the store, and I can't say there's anything I like quite as much as the Gibson Les Paul, especially the older versions. Being used to a Dean LP Special, it made quite a change, but it beats everything out of the field, IMHO. Especially playing it through Fender tube-amps gives a really nice effect. |
| Adam Baboolal 19.07.2007 15:10 |
Jeroen, you have a strange view on the entire BM copy history. To throw all models, from the Guild to the current BHM sig line of guitars, is bizarre. And from the experiences from Guild owners I've read, anyone who has used them knows they're pretty top notch. No customisation needed. And these days, they're very much sought after guitars. And for some bizarre reason you expect the BHM Pro line should be better than a Guyton??!?!! Weird comment. NOTHING (apart from the real thing) can beat a Guyton as it's supposed to be a very well made piece of art of a guitar. And I can proudly say the BHM sig I bought last year is my main guitar. The sounds and playability I get from it are brilliant. These recent revised models have been great. The bad comments are usually the authenticity in looks or (as voiced above) the tremolo. True, after going back to my old guitar's tremolo, I have to admit, it's far better than the one on the 2006 model. But a step-up from the pre-2006 models, i.e. Burns. Lastly, if people are wondering what the pro COULD be - it may be wise to read up on Fryer's copies that Brian has and also checking out user reviews of KZ red special guitars. Something's brewin'... Adam. |
| Jjeroen 19.07.2007 16:32 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Jeroen, you have a strange view on the entire BM copy history. To throw all models, from the Guild to the current BHM sig line of guitars, is bizarre. --->No, they are not the same line indeed. But even the best (the new one, I believe) has it's minor issues. And from the experiences from Guild owners I've read, anyone who has used them knows they're pretty top notch. No customisation needed. And these days, they're very much sought after guitars. ------>you mentioned the tremolo yourself. That one, and indeed the most important, of them all. Sure, if you're just using it slightly, there is no problem. But try make a diver... (use it as intense as Brian does!) and you'll be hopelessly out of tune, (Btw: I not only keep in mind the features and sound - also things like playability. But I do NOT keep in mind collectors-value!) And for some bizarre reason you expect the BHM Pro line should be better than a Guyton??!?!! Weird comment. NOTHING (apart from the real thing) can beat a Guyton as it's supposed to be a very well made piece of art of a guitar. --->That was my way of saying what you're say: NOTHING can beat a Guyton. Because I DON't expect it to be as good. And I can proudly say the BHM sig I bought last year is my main guitar. -----?You're right, I should have used the word 'professional'. Someone that plays his own gigs, and records his own music (apart from a cover/tribute band) would not use a BM guitar. It would be rediciolous. Everybody would think of Brian May instead of you. Jeroen |
| Jjeroen 19.07.2007 16:33 |
PS. YES I am demanding! ;-) But seriously; those guitars are fine. As an 'average' instrument. As a more 'serious' guitarist I'm REALY looking for something better. If you play a REAL (as in not the cheap models) Fender (already the ones in the same price range as a BM), or -as mentioned- Gibson, a real Ibanez, a Parker Fly or a Paul Reed Smith for instance... yum (alright, I admit that those last two even the cheapest model available is far more expensive then the most expsensive BM guitar, but I just felt like mentioning some REAL guitars! ;-) |
| john bodega 20.07.2007 02:03 |
"You're right, I should have used the word 'professional'. Someone that plays his own gigs, and records his own music (apart from a cover/tribute band) would not use a BM guitar. It would be rediciolous. Everybody would think of Brian May instead of you." I've no intention of keeping my BM as my 'main' guitar forever - however that's a pretty big assumption you're making right there. Not everyone recognises the Brian May guitar right off the bat. I must've demoed it to a hundred people in the past year and it's only ever the guitarists who know it's history! In terms of gigging, I would expect that people would think "Brian May" often when seeing the guitar in performance, but you'd be a damn fool to not use it at least once in recording. The sounds a player can get out of that guitar... well... if they know what they're doing, anyway! "Especially playing it through Fender tube-amps gives a really nice effect." I don't like the feel of Gibsons, I honestly can't play them at all - but I'll 2nd what you said about the Fender amps there. I went into the 'expensive' room (heh) in my local guitar store and tried out a couple of guitars through this big Fender amp they had. Great sound. And can someone explain to me the allure of a PRS guitar? |
| Adam Baboolal 20.07.2007 06:18 |
Anyone who doesn't entertain the BM guitar for serious work is missing themselves, and the point of the guitar. I've never had so much control over sounds, it's great! I very, very rarely use my other guitars because the pickup selections on the BM can give me whatever I've needed, so far. I've done plenty of recording work with the guitar and consider it a wonderful tool for sounds alone. Anyone who doesn't use it because they're worried about it being recognised, is always someone worried about looks. I used to play with a half broken scratchplate on my old guitar and I could've cared less how it or I looked! Btw, when I've used my BHM sig's tremolo for dives, it never went out of tune. It was great for about 6 months before I started tinkering and messed it up. So, now, it goes slightly out of tune on the A string. There seem to be a few myths going about because of the earlier range of guitars' problems. Now...where's all the discussion about the new guitar? Adam. |
| Legy 20.07.2007 10:38 |
There is no way, no way that a Korean made guitar can match up to an American made guitar. Especially a Guild before the Fender buyout. I've played a Guild and I own a Burns and it doesn't compare. The reason I play my Burns is because it has Adeson Trisonics. In terms of feel and playability and sound the Guild is a lot better, but nonetheless, the BHM/Burns are good guitar. I guess this is why there's been an outcry for a midrange model. I do hope Kaz and the BHM team, team up to create a something better. The way the dollar is though, I might not be able to afford one in the near future. I guess I have to start saving. The BHM is a versatile guitar with many options. I know a lot of guitarist that don't want to own one because they think it just creates a BHM like tone but that's not necessarily true. I've let people play my custom made guitar or my Burns with their setup and they immediately fall in love. |
| john bodega 20.07.2007 15:00 |
I must confess I've been leaning slightly away from the Brian May sound and closer to something you might find on a Jeff Wayne album. Tee-hee... My earlier mention of the Burns 'cheap' vibrato wasn't actually a complaint about the quality of it... I mean, it works, it stays in tune (and I give that wami-bar an absolute hammering sometimes). I merely commented that maybe the price could've reflected the somewhat run of the mill hardware in that area. But anyway. I shouldn't complain, since I haggled with the shop so much anyhow. |
| Micrówave 20.07.2007 15:09 |
I don't care how "pro" it is, a $5000 Brian May guitar doesn't have a market in the US and would clearly be a marketing disaster. Some of the top Fender CS's go for about that. Do they really think they have a shot? I like Adam's estimation better, but I would be very suspect of this, considering how Brian just launched his line. |
| Legy 20.07.2007 16:48 |
Very true my fellow Texan. I remember when the 1993/94 Guilds were released. Retail price at Guitar Center was $1495 back in 1993 and a couple of years later I knew of shops that were selling them at $800 dollars because they weren't selling. Now the Guilds are selling at around $3000 but only Hard Core fans and collectors are buying them, not you average/semi pro guitarist. |
| Legy 20.07.2007 16:49 |
Double Post |
| john bodega 22.07.2007 11:57 |
I think, for that price, I'd like Brian to deliver the thing. |
| Togg 23.07.2007 05:34 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: Exchange rates! Heehee. I like having the pound right now. So easy to get good bargains in the USA. Anyway, back to the main thread. Yes, the more pro model will be a nice step up. But, what's this about £2000-2500?? Where the heck did you hear that? Just funny that you have a price-point but haven't read the Fryer/KZ story. I see it hasn't hit over here yet. Here's a link = link It's an interesting move, but considering the KZjnr was roughly £1800, I don't see how mass producing such a guitar will make its price leap! Surely, it's the other way around? I'm sure they're still aiming at a £1500 estimate price point. Also, I don't expect this guitar until next year at the earliest. Surely... Adam.Well, all I can say is this is what I have told from a member of the team sourcing the guitar, they are in production in Japan now and will only do a limited run of around 100 - 150 they will have to make a profit so I guess the extra cost is partly UK end profit/mark-up and some amendments requested by the team, cost wise to justify this it will be the only version from that factor sanctioned by Brian I think you have to realise that it is a Pro version so basically if you are in that market, or are a serious collector it falls nicely between the current model and a Guyton at £6000 plus if memory serves. It is not meant for the average fan, so if you can't afford it, it is because it is not aimed at you. All I can say is that is the discussed price at the moment what they settle on might be lower but it would seem unlikely. BTW the Kz model that has just finished production was retailing at 892,500 Yen which is approx £3500 they also produced a Jnr version at around the 400.500 yen mark so even that would be approx £1800 The production company have asked if they want them all in one go in September, however the feeling is the factor will not manage that. We wait and see... |
| Legy 23.07.2007 11:01 |
Togg wrote: Well, all I can say is this is what I have told from a member of the team sourcing the guitar, they are in production in Japan now and will only do a limited run of around 100 - 150 they will have to make a profit so I guess the extra cost is partly UK end profit/mark-up and some amendments requested by the team, cost wise to justify this it will be the only version from that factor sanctioned by Brian I think you have to realise that it is a Pro version so basically if you are in that market, or are a serious collector it falls nicely between the current model and a Guyton at £6000 plus if memory serves. It is not meant for the average fan, so if you can't afford it, it is because it is not aimed at you. All I can say is that is the discussed price at the moment what they settle on might be lower but it would seem unlikely. BTW the Kz model that has just finished production was retailing at 892,500 Yen which is approx £3500 they also produced a Jnr version at around the 400.500 yen mark so even that would be approx £1800 The production company have asked if they want them all in one go in September, however the feeling is the factor will not manage that. We wait and see...So Kaz is producing the RS Pro! I don't mind paying a little extra if someone like him is involved. |
| Adam Baboolal 23.07.2007 12:55 |
He has a good track record as I remember from users' views on his Kz RS guitars. Both Jnr and Pro versions. I await further info! I may be able to get one cause I've got some cash stashed away and heck, what an investment! Adam. |
| Legy 23.07.2007 13:10 |
This might be a difficult choice for me to make. I might end up getting an RS Guitar instead. Price wise, I might be saving myself at least $1000, hell, maybe even $1500. The recent modifcations to the RS have made it more like the original. |