| vinny2256_ 05.07.2007 06:55 |
This has been bugging me for years now and I'm sure the answer to my question is very trivial. So anyways, during the chorus of TYMD, Brian is striking a D major with his little finger hitting off/on another note which I cannot make out i.e. a note which makes sense with the chord and Freddie's vocal. I think it would make sense for this note to be a G but that seems too far a stretch to maintain the D shape on the second fret. My point is, why doesn't Brian play the chorus i.e. "Tie your mother down Tie your mother down..." in the shape of 2---> 3 3---> 3 2---> 2 0---> 0 x---> x x---> x which is the same chords used in "Crazy Little Thing called Love"? It seems to match Freddie's vocal quite well this way although I think Brian preferred to play this an octave or two below what Freddie was singing in so it wouldn't sound messy. This is quite a convoluted post as I really cannot describe what I mean unless I'm showing someone with a guitar in hand! Thanks Vin |
| Boy Thomas Raker 05.07.2007 09:30 |
He's starting out playing a palm muted D5 chord on the 5th fret Vinny (5th fret on the A string), and hammering onto the B (7th fret on the D string), a la Chuck Berry. So it's like this: x---> x x---> x x---> x 7---> 9 5---> x x---> x |
| vinny2256_ 05.07.2007 09:43 |
Ok I see. It's a sort of Bm fragment when that B is held down then. This is noticeable when playing it on the 2nd fret i.e. at Montreal in '81: link I've just listened to it closely and it sounds/looks like a B alright. Freddie's vocals are definitely G___G___G ___ F# Tie your mother down G___G___G ___ F# Tie your mother down Any reason why Brian didn't play the sus4 chord on the 2nd fret like in crazy little thing called love? thanks vin |
| Boy Thomas Raker 05.07.2007 10:10 |
That's out of my league of knowledge, maybe Sebastian or Sir GH could help you out, my guitar skills are primitive and my musical theory is theory-less. |
| liam 05.07.2007 10:40 |
In the studio it is a D power chord on the 5th string and he hits the 9th frets on the 5th string at intervals. ----- ---- ----- ---- ----7 --9- ----7 --9- ----5 --5- ----- ---- Live ive noticed he plays a proper D major chord though, though he doesnt do this at wembley. |
| Mr Mercury 05.07.2007 10:48 |
vinny2256_ wrote: Any reason why Brian didn't play the sus4 chord on the 2nd fret like in crazy little thing called love? thanks vinI suspect its because you have more control over what strings are "allowed" to play using the method that BTR explained. This would stop any unnecessary feedback that you can get if you have any open strings ringing, ie, the D string using your method. Incase you havent heard it, Brian explains feedback on the Rockmaster files that I sent to Maki's site a while back. link Hope that helps. |
| vinny2256_ 05.07.2007 11:00 |
<font color=red><b>Mr Mercury</b> wrote:Yes, that would make sense actually. I also now think he avoids this sus4 due to the pitching relative to Freddie's voice. Striking that sus4 with the distortion would not sound very controlled and would munch all of Freddie's vocals up.vinny2256_ wrote: Any reason why Brian didn't play the sus4 chord on the 2nd fret like in crazy little thing called love? thanks vinI suspect its because you have more control over what strings are "allowed" to play using the method that BTR explained. This would stop any unnecessary feedback that you can get if you have any open strings ringing, ie, the D string using your method. Incase you havent heard it, Brian explains feedback on the Rockmaster files that I sent to Maki's site a while back. link Hope that helps. Thanks for the mp3 links. They are excellent. Vin |
| Jeroen 05.07.2007 11:34 |
It's indeed the D5th powerchord with the pinky taking a 2-fret upper. Has nothing to do with feedback though. It's about dynamics. This is just the classic way in which 'rock n roll' is played. Status Quo has been doing not much else for years and years. A D5 just sounds a lot different to a 'regular' D chord. Imagine Tony Iommi playing all his classic riffs in a 'normal' E chord... Black Sabbath would not even sounded half as heavy as they do. |
| Nacho_itu 05.07.2007 13:10 |
As far I know, Brian plays D5/D6/D5, but instead of playing it on the 5th fret, he plays with the regular shape of D. I mean, instead of: E-------- B-------- G-------- D-7--9--7 A-5--5--5 E-------- He plays E-x--x--x-- B-3--3--3-- G-2--4--2-- D-0--0--0-- A---------- E---------- I think this give the chord more bright and it makes it less heavier. |
| Bobby_brown 05.07.2007 16:08 |
Nacho_itu wrote: As far I know, Brian plays D5/D6/D5, but instead of playing it on the 5th fret, he plays with the regular shape of D. I mean, instead of: E-------- B-------- G-------- D-7--9--7 A-5--5--5 E-------- He plays E-x--x--x-- B-3--3--3-- G-2--4--2-- D-0--0--0-- A---------- E---------- I think this give the chord more bright and it makes it less heavier.You just saved me the work to do it ; ) You´re right, even thogh most people play this riff in the fifth position, Brian plays it in the D position. He has stated several times that he likes the sound in that area of the guitar (nut?- i don´t know the english name). That´s the reason he plays "Now i´m here" in that region too, except for the obvious parts. Take care |
| The Real Wizard 05.07.2007 16:24 |
Nothing I can add. Great explanations, guys! |
| Wiley 05.07.2007 17:49 |
Hey. Cool topic. I have always enjoyed playing this song and more since I read in a magazine the actual way that Brian plays the intro riff, that looping effect that is almost hypnotic. What about the "lock your daddy out of doors" part? Does he play the an A5-A6 sequence and then G and D or what? I've never seen a tab for this part. Also, the verse for Now I'm Here is a similar picking-strumming pattern but I just can't play it exactly the same, hehe :). Wiley |
| J R Deaky 05.07.2007 19:28 |
Wiley wrote: Hey. Cool topic. I have always enjoyed playing this song and more since I read in a magazine the actual way that Brian plays the intro riff, that looping effect that is almost hypnotic. What about the "lock your daddy out of doors" part? Does he play the an A5-A6 sequence and then G and D or what? I've never seen a tab for this part. Also, the verse for Now I'm Here is a similar picking-strumming pattern but I just can't play it exactly the same, hehe :). WileyHe plays an up stroke on the A5 followed by a muted down stroke on the A6 followed by a down stroke on the G and then a down stroke on the D chord followed by a quick muted down stroke on the A5 followed by an open A5 followed by a muted A5 and then an open A5 again. Hope that makes sense.I'll check out "Now I'm Here" for you.Ok bud!!! |
| Wiley 06.07.2007 12:03 |
Thanks a lot, man. I wish I could go and play it like that right now but I'm at work, hehe :). Brian is not regarded very highly as a rythm guitarist but there is certainly more to it than mere down strumming and picking. I like the way he plays the intro to Brighton Rock on Live Killers. Well, actually, pretty much all of Brighton Rock is a great showcase of Brian's style. The studio version, I mean. I think he crossed the line at live shows! Wiley |
| inmydefence 10.07.2007 14:50 |
bloody hell! and i thought i was sad spotting the vocal overdubs on the Live at Wembley DVD! you guys are studying what strings brian's finger is on at any given moment during a song!? woh! each to their own i guess! |
| Wiley 10.07.2007 16:27 |
inmydefence wrote: bloody hell! and i thought i was sad spotting the vocal overdubs on the Live at Wembley DVD! you guys are studying what strings brian's finger is on at any given moment during a song!? woh! each to their own i guess!If you want to play the song like he does, there are some tricky parts in which you need to get into that amount of detail. Guitar Tabs found on the web usually include the solo and chords for the song but don't get much into rythm patterns. It is the first time that I see a thread like this and I think it's very good. Medium skilled guitar players might find this very useful. Sometimes you try to play it and can't quite get it right. Maybe someone could upgrade those mythical 1996 tabs by Pinter Denes (sp?) and get into some in depth analysis. Wiley |
| inmydefence 11.07.2007 19:57 |
Cool! i just found it interesting u pay such close attention! but then.... i guess it figures... i'm a vocalist and listen carefully to the vocals.... figures a guitarist would pay close attention to guitar parts! pity there isnt a website that has an in depth study off Brians guitar playing and techniques as there is with Freddies voice. |
| Nacho_itu 13.07.2007 18:39 |
well...Pinter Denes's tabs are pretty good , in fact i've learned to play guitar with those tabs! But sometimes they have gaps or are'nt right or something... but for starters they are pretty good! |
| Wiley 13.07.2007 22:51 |
Nacho_itu wrote: well...Pinter Denes's tabs are pretty good , in fact i've learned to play guitar with those tabs! But sometimes they have gaps or are'nt right or something... but for starters they are pretty good!Many of us Queen fans who are also guitar enthusiasts have learned to play guitar with Denes' tabs. Although, I used to feel very frustrated when I didn't understand a part or couldn't play it right. I went back to some of those tabs like 5 years later and I could play many of the songs much better! :) Wiley |
