| Micrówave 12.06.2007 12:35 |
Recently, a discussion here eluded to the fact that women's athletics are just as competitive as men's athletics. Of course I disagreed. Now this: LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Chamique Holdsclaw, a six-time WNBA All-Star who re-signed with the Los Angeles Sparks in February, stunned the team by retiring Monday. Holdsclaw did not give a reason for ending her pro basketball career. "I have a lot of other interests, things I can be as good at as I am in basketball," she told The AP in July 2005, declining to elaborate. "I like to keep things to myself." The news was a jolt to the Sparks (3-2), who had already lost star center Lisa Leslie to pregnancy this season. THE WNBA..... It's Fantastic! |
| steven 35638 12.06.2007 13:22 |
I really couldn't care for sports, and I know this is really off topic...but... ...music is treated far worse than the athletics in most if not all high schools. It's rediculous. The only reason I said that was because your title was "Why female athletes & SPORTS AREN'T TAKEN SERIOUSLY." Otherwise, I wouldn't have said anything. You can ignore me if you'd like, it wouldn't bother me. |
| Micrówave 12.06.2007 14:52 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: ...music is treated far worse than the athletics in most if not all high schools.That's only because sports generates income for the school. The music program does not. But I think the same could be said about female performers. Not all, but a good majority. How can you take a Sheryl Crow seriously as an artist and then she puts her toilet paper campaign AHEAD of her fanbase and career. Dixie Chicks, same thing. And they're the first to tell you how "unfair" they are treated by their industry. Meanwhile, U2, Sting, PG keep churning out the hits. |
| user name 12.06.2007 18:49 |
Of course it's just as competitive. Take any group of people who are about the same skill level, and it will maximize competitiveness. The only thing is, with most sports, watching women play is the equivalent of going down to your local high school and watching the teams there. They are permanently handicapped due to the inherent genetic physiological differences between men and women, just like young boys are handicapped by a lack of experience and fully developed bodies. |
| goodco 14.06.2007 15:24 |
I can't resist... I think your argument concerned whether people were as 'interested' in women's sports as much as men's, related to Don Imus and the Rutgers incident. The competition is similar. The ability is without a doubt different, no comparison. No debate there. Attendance.... no comparison, though the women once again sold out a 23,000 seat arena in Cleveland for the NCAA basketball semis and the finals. Interest in the sports? Don't talk to the networks regarding the NHL and NBA finals. Abysmal TV ratings, to say the least. The worst ever. Not sure if you are ridiculing the surprise retirement of the one WNBA player, or the pregnancy of the other. Retirement: Barry Sanders and Jim Brown come to mind as to unexpected quitting. Barry hurt Detroit for years due to his uncertain stature and eventual fade-away. Why did Barry quit? A sorry franchise? No chance of winning within a couple of years? Broken promises? Boredom? Fear of a debilitating injury? Moving on.... Pregnancies: Rae Curruth, former NFL player and current prison inmate, ended his girlfriend's pregnancy by having her killed. Need we talk about the NFL 'idols', such as Pacman Jones, or any of the Cincinnati Bengal pinstripers? I'm sorry you cannot appreciate female athletic prowess. If you had a daughter, niece, cousin, or a friend whose daughter excelled at athletics, maybe you would. We watched a couple of rounds of the LPGA Championship last weekend. The women cannot hit their drives or approach shots as long with the same clubs as the men, but I would kill to be half as accurate with my irons as they are. just my two cents |
| 7 seas of Whatever 14.06.2007 20:59 |
Maybe women have more important things to do than sports. |
| john bodega 15.06.2007 00:38 |
Female athletes and female sports aren't taken seriously because, as usual, women get the right idea first. One day, MALE sports won't be taken seriously, and then there'll be something worth fucking WATCHING on the television. |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 07:25 |
This is a sexist thread. Especially considering the hip-hop star lifestyle of NBA players, the steroid cases on the MLB, the constant brawls on the NHL, the corruption and referee manipulation from the FIFA... ...and the NFL, for God's sake that's not even a sport. Personally, I'd rather see less physically capable female athletes behaving on the field with a true spirit of competitiveness and respect for their rivals, rather than a bunch of arrogant male assholes who are overpaid and they don't give two shits about their athletic performance as long as they get a giant paycheck. |
| Donna13 15.06.2007 10:24 |
Hey, it is hard enough that we females have to keep score all the time. Zebonka and Mr. Jingles are now in the lead. It will be hard to catch up with them. I'm not saying it is impossible, just not likely at this point. What are the chances that Microwave can hit his "reset" button and get back in the game? Well, I've seen it done in the past, but we will have to wait, folks, just wait and see if he can pull it off again. What's that? Oh, I'm sorry, we'll be right back after this message. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 11:55 |
Apparently you all read something more into this than I did. I was merely pointing out that if women want to be taken seriously as atheletes, making commitment to the team should be a little higher on the list. I do have a daughter in sports. She has no female idols to look up to. Here today, gone tomorrow... or announcing that they're lesbos. I didn't notice Shawn Kemp take Maternity Leave when his 9 fun babies were born. And Jingles, don't be jealous of the NFL. You simply have nothing as entertaining, that's all. I watch your football. You guys can't even market it correctly. I think Manchester U is great, but I've never seen a sweater worn or even for sale here. It's a "world" sport, huh? Those of you who don't think sports are important don't have kids or probably "couldn't make the team" anyway. LPGA golf? LPGA golf? Oh, God please... |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 12:20 |
Micrówave wrote: I do have a daughter in sports. She has no female idols to look up to. Here today, gone tomorrow... or announcing that they're lesbos.Looks like she doesn't have much of a dad to look up to either. Considering that by calling female athletes "lesbos" you're actually making a homophobic statement. |
| Donna13 15.06.2007 13:17 |
Oh, no! A painful blow from Mr. Jingles. Microwave is still down and here come the paramedics. If you have small children you may want to take them out of the room, folks. Correction: Those are appliance repairmen *ahem* repair-persons, folks. Ooh. Let's hope they were well trained for this job. |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 14:15 |
I don't have kids, but if I had a daughter I'd much rather have her look up to Martina Navratilova and Michele Van Gorp than the media overexposed Hollywood skanks like Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 14:55 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I don't have kidsThere's a reason for that. You have to have sex with girls. Anyhoo, you're obviously missing the point entirely. Sure, Martina was awesome. But she changed her agenda. Now she only makes appearances for one reason only... her lifestyle. That's not why millions loved her... and that's why Tennis has distanced from her. How do you look up to that? A female athelete in a struggling sport that is counting on you to fill their stands, judging from the enormous contract you signed. So you just decide to quit for no reason... or to have a baby in your prime. Your body will never perform at the level you were HIRED and AGREED to. How do you look up to that? So put in Queen terms, Jinglehead. Did Freddie start marching in parades and backing AIDS charities and events? No! It would have killed his career, and in turn done the same for 3 other really nice guys. Good luck in the girl department, Jingles. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 14:57 |
Donna13 wrote: Microwave is still downHardly. Please, I eat girls like Mr. Jingles for breakfast. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 15:18 |
goodco wrote: I can't resist... "though the women once again sold out a 23,000 seat arena in Cleveland for the NCAA basketball semis and the finals."Those remaining seats were purchased by sponsors in order to lift the TV blackout. Did you watch? Those seats were not full... not even halfway. goodco wrote: "Not sure if you are ridiculing the surprise retirement of the one WNBA player, or the pregnancy of the other."Yes, basically. The inability to commit long-term anymore. It's just not there in women's sports. goodco wrote: "Retirement: Barry Sanders and Jim Brown come to mind as to unexpected quitting. "Both were solid running backs who pounded a lot of yards. Both were near the ends of their careers. Some athletes want to go out on top, and not risk limping at 46... and there's plenty of evidence to show that happens!!! Plus Jim Brown was offered more money to do The Dirty Dozen than 2 more years with the Browns. I won't waste your time trying to explain what the Detroit Lions did to Barry. goodco wrote: "Pregnancies: Rae Curruth, former NFL player and current prison inmate, ended his girlfriend's pregnancy by having her killed."Boy, that's a reach. I don't think anybody misses him. goodco wrote: "Need we talk about the NFL 'idols', such as Pacman Jones, or any of the Cincinnati Bengal pinstripers?"All Suspended by the NFL. Let's see another sport do that. Pacman suspended a year before his current case comes to trial. Good job, NFL. goodco wrote: "I'm sorry you cannot appreciate female athletic prowess. We watched a couple of rounds of the LPGA Championship last weekend. The women cannot hit their drives or approach shots as long with the same clubs as the men, but I would kill to be half as accurate with my irons as they are."As would I. But who's that really good LPGA player? Exactly. And the one's that think they are want to play with the men's tour. Yeah, that was a good idea!!! The Annika open wasn't even able to put it's namesake on the course. And she's bit it ever since she made her PGA try. BOTTOM LINE: Somebody name me a female athlete to respect FOR HER ABILITIES and I'll show you someone who crapped on the people who supported her 5-10 years ago. Paris vs. Martina ???? Not much difference anymore, all we talk about now is their sex life. What else? |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 15:43 |
Micrówave wrote:Looks like you have no other way to defend yourself with nothing other than cheap-shots like the very cliche "nerds can't get laid" jokes.Mr.Jingles wrote: I don't have kidsThere's a reason for that. You have to have sex with girls. If you were a teenager, I would just let it go in hopes that someday you would grow up. ...but for someone who is already a parent, it's quite pathetic. |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 15:52 |
Micrówave wrote:Just for the record, Martina Navratilova was still winning Grand Slam tournaments after coming out of the closet. By the time when she reacher her mid 30s where most athletes physical performance declines in comparisson to those in their 20s, she was thinking more about retirement. Still she was able to reach a Wimbledon final when she finally retired in 1994 at 37.Mr.Jingles wrote: I don't have kidsThere's a reason for that. You have to have sex with girls. Anyhoo, you're obviously missing the point entirely. Sure, Martina was awesome. But she changed her agenda. Now she only makes appearances for one reason only... her lifestyle. That's not why millions loved her... and that's why Tennis has distanced from her. How do you look up to that? A female athelete in a struggling sport that is counting on you to fill their stands, judging from the enormous contract you signed. So you just decide to quit for no reason... or to have a baby in your prime. Your body will never perform at the level you were HIRED and AGREED to. How do you look up to that? So put in Queen terms, Jinglehead. Did Freddie start marching in parades and backing AIDS charities and events? No! It would have killed his career, and in turn done the same for 3 other really nice guys. Good luck in the girl department, Jingles. The gay rights activism came in the late years of her career and in no way it affected her perfomance. Btw, thanks for coming out as a homophobe. Now we all know what kind of person you are. |
| Donna13 15.06.2007 15:53 |
It appears that the recall on Microwave has been put on hold pending further investigation. Someone get me the stats from Consumer's Reports. No, no, go back further - yeah, the 1970's probably. While we wait for Microwave's stats I just want to remind everyone of our sponsors - Levitra and Ocean's 13. Yes. I've seen Ocean's 13 and Brad Pitt is even more handsome than you can imagine. Worth a second going I'd say. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 16:28 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Btw, thanks for coming out as a homophobe. Now we all know what kind of person you are.Don't worry, you're safe, cutey-pie. And Martina never won ANYTHING after actively joining the gay rights brigade. Her career was already finished. |
| user name 15.06.2007 16:29 |
Right now, everything involving tennis (past or present, men or women's) fades in comparison to Roger Federer. Except during Roland Garros - but we all know that that doesn't count. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 16:33 |
Boy you got that right MM. Nobody in men's tennis appears even close to Roger. I'd stay, but I actually have a gig that includes a Wet T-Shirt contest, so you enjoy surfing the internet while I find one with a nice thin shirt. Girls are awesome Jingles. You should check them out sometime. |
| Donna13 15.06.2007 16:43 |
Oh, my gosh. It says here that Microwave was recalled years ago for a malfunction that causes explosions. |
| Micrówave 15.06.2007 16:52 |
abrasive and over-the-top explosions. But it's much better now. |
| Mr.Jingles 15.06.2007 23:31 |
Micrówave wrote: Boy you got that right MM. Nobody in men's tennis appears even close to Roger. I'd stay, but I actually have a gig that includes a Wet T-Shirt contest, so you enjoy surfing the internet while I find one with a nice thin shirt. Girls are awesome Jingles. You should check them out sometime.How old are you again? 16? |
| john bodega 16.06.2007 04:38 |
Wow did this thread go to the fucking dogs when I left. But that happens a lot. Fuck, I get the feeling that if I went to Kashmir the whole place would probably calm down a heap. |
| Donna13 16.06.2007 07:39 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Wow did this thread go to the fucking dogs when I left. But that happens a lot. Fuck, I get the feeling that if I went to Kashmir the whole place would probably calm down a heap.NO! We need you! But yeah, it was pretty bad in this thread. And now for my opinion on this topic ... A daughter looks up to her father (not some woman in sports). Just knowing that your father is proud of you for whatever you accomplish is what is important. Parents should not push their kids into things, but they should support them once the kids go in a certain direction. If it doesn't last, it doesn't mean the kid is a quitter, it just means they are learning about different things. I don't have kids but I had great parents. So, my memories of how I was treated are what I am basing my opinion on. |
| RETROLOVE 17.06.2007 01:40 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: This is a sexist thread. Especially considering the hip-hop star lifestyle of NBA players, the steroid cases on the MLB, the constant brawls on the NHL, the corruption and referee manipulation from the FIFA... ...and the NFL, for God's sake that's not even a sport. Personally, I'd rather see less physically capable female athletes behaving on the field with a true spirit of competitiveness and respect for their rivals, rather than a bunch of arrogant male assholes who are overpaid and they don't give two shits about their athletic performance as long as they get a giant paycheck.Grrrrrreat! Loved your comment! |
| goodco 17.06.2007 09:31 |
Micrówave wrote: abrasive and over-the-top explosions. But it's much better now.but still juvenile, and surprisingly full of hate and bigotry. Very disappointing. |
| Donna13 17.06.2007 13:16 |
goodco wrote:Not a "best buy" then? Sorry ... couldn't stop myself.Micrówave wrote: abrasive and over-the-top explosions. But it's much better now.but still juvenile, and surprisingly full of hate and bigotry. Very disappointing. |