QueenZone discussion #1006117
Queen: Homosexual Themes?
| steven 35638 08.06.2007 11:57 |
Dear Queenzone, I've recently noticed that many of you seem to believe that some Queen songs have homosexual themes. I'm asking for you to tell us which Queen songs you think are "gay" and then state a reasonable explanation for each one. If you don't think there are any "gay" themed Queen songs tell us why. Thank you for your participation. With respect, Ramirez |
| Sebastian 08.06.2007 12:15 |
'Body Language', and perhaps some others. |
| s.m. 08.06.2007 12:33 |
your topic is gay |
| David Jones 08.06.2007 13:15 |
Don't you think a group of four lads called "Queen" is a bit of a give away? |
| Borhap80 08.06.2007 13:16 |
The video for "I want to Break free" can easily be read as a homosexual enterprise for Freddie. It can be interpreted as his way of coming out. He portrays three types of gay stereotypes in this video. 1. The drag theme 2. Cock rocker, and his castro clone style. 3. Balletdancer -> The whole video is an attack on the heteronormative view on gender. You can easily put all the three stereotypes Freddie portray up against the miners, which stand for the normative ("correct") view of masculinity in our society. The ballett is actually a recreation of a masturbation. The musicolog Judith Peraino has an interesting view on Bohemian Rhapsody. She has some fact mistakes, but apart from that I think she has some good points: A Sojourn to Italy: “Bohemian Rhapsody” With its eclectic mix of music styles, hints of homoeroticism, and campy (if not downright goofy) nod to Italian opera, Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody” seems an unlikely song to have become the anthem for suburban teenage boys. Yet after its initial release in late 1975, the song reached number one in England, where it stayed for a record-breaking nine weeks. 85 The band also had wild success in Japan. In 1992 “Bohemian Rhapsody” enjoyed a phoenixlike resurrection when it was featured in the movie Wayne’s World. During this second life, “Bohemian Rhapsody” reached number two on the American charts, climbing higher than it had in 1976, when it peaked at number nine. The song was, and still is, an emblem of 1970s excess and bombast; it was the most expensive single song ever produced, and it was long, clocking in at six minutes— twice the normal playing time. From the very beginning of the band’s career, lead singer and songwriter Freddie Mercury (born Farookh Bulsara) liberally sprinkled gay innuendos throughout his lyrics and song styles. The name Queen, for example, mixes campy gay slang with images of royalty and aristocracy. 86 Further images of precious refinement were given voice in Mercury’s nostalgic British music hall numbers, such as their first big hit “Killer Queen” (1974) and especially “Old Fashioned Lover Boy” (1976). These vaudeville-style songs call to mind the 1920s dandy, along with his female counterpart, the flapper. According to the memoirs of Mercury’s personal assistant, sexual references lay close to the surface of many lyrics. Mercury would first compose phrases with offcolor “dummy” words and then clean them up later: “Guilt stains on my pillow” began as “Cum stains on my pillow,” “Radio Ga Ga” as “Radio Ca Ca,” and “Staying Power” as “Fucking Power.” 87 It is easy to imagine how something similar could be true for “Bohemian Rhapsody.” The word “bohemian” has long been a catchall word for people who live outside the norm on the margins of mainstream society, typically artists, writers, and musicians who were also sexual “free spirits.” Mercury intended “Bohemian Rhapsody” to be a “mock opera,” something outside the norm of rock songs, and it does follow a certain operatic logic: choruses of multitracked voices alternate with arialike solos, the emotions are excessive, the plot confusing. An opening chorus draws the listener in with a question that seems equally appropriate to Tra le fiamme or Wilhelm Meisters Lehrjahre: “Is this the real life, is this just fantasy?” We are on another musical flight of fancy, another sublimation of passions, as the first aria suggests: Mama, just killed a man Put a gun against his head, Pulled my trigger, now he’s dead. 88 This might be a simple story of murder, but it also seems to be a melodrama of homoeroticism. Guns, after all, are phallic; the phrase “my trigger” clearly locates “the gun” on the body. The lack of subject pronouns creates confusion over agency: exactly who has pulled the trigger? The son? The other man? The mother?— for the juxtaposition of sexual double entendres with “Mama” invites an Oedipal reading, in wh |
| brian-harold-may 26643 08.06.2007 14:00 |
erm...i want o break free was in fact a piss tak of coronation street...and it was rogers other halfs idea... so i dont think this is meant to be gay at all. |
| steven 35638 08.06.2007 14:04 |
David Jones wrote: Don't you think a group of four lads called "Queen" is a bit of a give away?Are you insinuating that I don't know that Freddie Mercury was homosexual? Please, anybody who thinks that Queen is a heterosexual rock band is talking out of their ass. Realistically Freddie Mercury was the only homosexual of the four members. Not all Queen songs were written with gay themes, hell, maybe Queen didn't even intend for any of there songs to have those themes. It's all speculation and discussion. Need I remind you that Freddie Mercury once said "if you see it, then it's there?" So, tell everybody what you see and simply discuss it. I'm not asking you guys for help, I'm just interested in seeing your different view points. Notice that by opening this thread I didn't even take any sides, I merely started a topic for all to participate in and take sides. It's amazing how many degenerates are attracted to attacking the topic starter, and I'm not pointing my finger directly at you. |
| Borhap80 08.06.2007 14:49 |
It doesnt matter whose idea it was. But the fact is that it came from Dominique (Roger's girlfriend at the time)And yes it was a humouristic spoof of Coronation street. But to say that there are no homosexual content in the video.... hmm... are you blind??? |
| Borhap80 08.06.2007 14:54 |
Freddie did never admit being a homosexual. Why should he? It is incredible to watch many of his videos, where he almost jumps out of the closet. I mean if you look at "It's a hard life"... Come on! Ans after all those videos people are still wondering whether he was gay or not... It's incredible, and beyond comprehension. |
| lyricalassasin77 08.06.2007 15:08 |
I've stated many times that "Bicycle Race" and "Good Ol Fashion Loverboy" were very gay songs and what a coincedence both written by Freddie! Nothing wrong with that though. As far as the "It's A Hard Life" video was it was a take on Victorian times and how you see Gay in that video I'll never know. The only thing you could remotely say was gay about it was Freddie's prancing about and his mannerisms but then again he did all that prancing and running about in almost all of his concerts so what's the "new found" point here? If you ask me I think that having that gayness actually helped Freddie and really showcased his flamboyant side.....Peace |
| steven 35638 08.06.2007 15:24 |
^Why is it you think that Bicycle Race and Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy are gay themed songs? |
| DavidRFuller 08.06.2007 16:00 |
What pisses me off is people shunning Queen becuase of Freddie's sexuality. If he were straight, I wonder how more popular they'd be? |
| teleman 08.06.2007 16:34 |
I never really thought about whether a Queen song had gay themes/innuendos. Just my opinion but I think sometimes people see things a certain way by making assumptions. Since Freddie was gay it would make sense that his personal experience might come through in his music but alot of what someone considers a "gay" theme might be more universal than many might think. A good songwriter takes something personal and makes it accessible to a wider audience. If Freddie wrote about the alienation he may have felt as a result of anti gay attitudes common in his lifetime I doubt it would be expressed as a gay theme but more about alienation on a more universal level. If he wrote about something as universal as lust why limit your audience to 1 in 10 by being explicit. I wouldn't assume a song has a gay theme or not because as a straight person I don't know what it is to be gay. I'll assume a song has a human theme since that's all I can relate to. |
| Sergei. 08.06.2007 17:54 |
I don't think about that. I just enjoy the music. :P |
| saltnvinegar 08.06.2007 20:54 |
teleman wrote: I never really thought about whether a Queen song had gay themes/innuendos. Just my opinion but I think sometimes people see things a certain way by making assumptions. Since Freddie was gay it would make sense that his personal experience might come through in his music but alot of what someone considers a "gay" theme might be more universal than many might think. A good songwriter takes something personal and makes it accessible to a wider audience. If Freddie wrote about the alienation he may have felt as a result of anti gay attitudes common in his lifetime I doubt it would be expressed as a gay theme but more about alienation on a more universal level. If he wrote about something as universal as lust why limit your audience to 1 in 10 by being explicit. I wouldn't assume a song has a gay theme or not because as a straight person I don't know what it is to be gay. I'll assume a song has a human theme since that's all I can relate to.Well said! Personally I think Freddie wrote songs with a certain ambiguity but you can't categorically prove *any* of his songs were 'gay'. If a heterosexual rock star had sung 'Staying Power', it would have been interpreted as his sexual prowess with the ladies. Even Body Language would have just been some horny guy singing about a girl's 'long legs and cute ass'. GOFLB could be a call and answer style song with a gigolo crooning away to rich, lonely old women. Remember, we discuss Queen today with all the knowledge and stories available online, in biographies and in interviews. We are in times were the likes of Elton John and George Michael live openly gay lives-that wasn't the case when Queen were at their peak. Flirting with the truth yet maintaining a certain mystery was the best way to keep the fans happy and make sure they kept buying the records. |
| user name 09.06.2007 00:55 |
Ram It Down, Point of Entry, Turbo Lover... ...Oh wait, wrong band. Still one of my favorites anyway... |
| goinback 09.06.2007 01:28 |
"Bohemian Rhapsody" could be an example of what some of us gay guys have gone through in struggling with our religion (at least that's what it means for me). For example, some conservative religious people say God hates gays. If God hates gays, yet He made gay people and made them gay and gays are thus condemned to Hell just for existing, then it would be better for gays to have "never been born at all." But like a previous poster said, even if any of Freddie's songs are about being gay, Freddie made them lyrics vague enough that many people will get their own personal (probably non-gay) meaning from them. In a way it kind of sucks though, that he lived in a less tolerant time and had to do that, and may have felt he couldn't do a song with those themes totally straightforward. |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 09.06.2007 01:43 |
<font color=plum>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: I don't think about that. I just enjoy the music. :PBingo! That's the spirit! :D To be true, it did once affect the music in a not-so-good fashion, IMHO. On One Year of Love there is a certain Freddie cry that I just don't see any reasonable musical reason for ("I'm a prisoner of looooove insiiide yooou.."). That was too much, IMHO, but, hey, the guy is responsible for a lot of my life's meaning, so... let him shout the way he wants to, whenever he feels like. Bless you, "dear". Cheers, Ogre- |
| SaveMe09 09.06.2007 02:05 |
Can't you people just enjoy the great music, and talk about something worthwhile...so what freddie was gay or bi...who cares...the other guys are straight, who cares...I want to break free was written by John, not freddie and its a damn funny video to with a damn good song. If love Queen you appreciate the music for the great musicianship and the great performances not their sexual orientation. GET OVER IT! |
| lyricalassasin77 09.06.2007 04:33 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: ^Why is it you think that Bicycle Race and Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy are gay themed songs?I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........Peace |
| David Jones 09.06.2007 07:01 |
Freddie wrote: Are you insinuating that I don't know that Freddie Mercury was homosexual? Please, anybody who thinks that Queen is a heterosexual rock band is talking out of their ass.No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time. I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous. I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it. |
| steven 35638 09.06.2007 09:15 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I stated before in a previous post why I think "Bicycle Race" is gay themed. Although the lyrics in no way shape or form suggest anything about being gay the inspiration for Freddie writing the song is well known. He was somewhere's in France on tour when the Tour De France happened to pass by the Hotel he was staying in and he has said before that the "sight of all those delicious bodies in their tight lycra shorts" insprired him to come up with the song. As far as "Good Ol Fashioned Loverboy" its very obvious in the song that he is speaking to another man. You can try to sugarcoat and sidestep it all you want with this crap about "a question and answer" thing from a giggilo and some broad but the very makeup of the song is very camp and very insuating. Last but not least you can just get a feel for a song and what its underlying means are and considering the source and the author of the song its quite easy to put 2 and 2 together. Now for the people on this post that keep saying "Why does Freddie's sexuality matter and who gives a damn" I feel the exact same way BUT when a post like this is brought up and people are being asked to give their honest opinions then that's what's going to be given. I personally don't care if Freddie was Gay. He's still my idol and i still got the man's name tattooed on my Back! and I'm very Heterosexual........PeaceNicely said! I can find no argument with what you've just said. I remember now about the Tour De France story and especially when listening to Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy it is some what obvious. I really don't care if they may have a gay theme, they're two of my favorite Queen songs. Just like you I don't care of any of the band member's sexuality. I know good music when I hear it and I most certainly respect their musicianship. I may not have Freddie Mercury tatooed on my back, but I do have a Freddie Mercury T-shirt that I wear proudly regardless of all the smart remarks I recieve from family and friends. David Jones wrote: No, I just think that the name "Queen" coined by Freddie sums up the whole androgenous feel to the band, especially in the early days. Ofcourse, Freddie wasn't and hadn't admitted to being homosexual or bisexual at this time. I wouldn't say I've noticed or have been looking for any homosexual themes in their songs, but some of the early stuff is what people have called as androgenous. I just like their music, it sounds good to my ears, regardless of what the lyrical content is about and the background of the people who made it.Once again, nicely said! I can tell you have your head screwed on right, and that's wonderful! Too many people out there read too much into things. When starting this topic I was fascinated in finding out what the majority of the Queen fans think upon this matter, and I can truly say I'm proud of us. In my opinion: Queen = Queen Gay = Gay Queen DOES NOT EQUAL AND SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH Gay. If somebody interprets a particular song as being gay that's their interpretation. There is nothing wrong with that either. |
| unknown 09.06.2007 11:05 |
s.m. wrote: your topic is gayI have to second that (with humour ;) ). |
| steven 35638 09.06.2007 12:03 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: I have to second that (with humour ;) ). On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life. As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house. Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business). Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this? |
| unknown 09.06.2007 12:42 |
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| Saif 09.06.2007 12:44 |
I'd say their most "happy-go-homo" song, IMO is "Millionaire Waltz". It's an awesome song. BTW Queen cannot equal gay because gay is four letters and Queen is five. |
| deleted user 09.06.2007 15:17 |
Who cares what songs seem gay and what songs don't. Just as long as it's good music, it's good for me! Why do we always go around trying to dissect songs? Freddie and the rest of Queen wanted their songs to reflect YOUR own life and experiences. I have spoken. |
| unknown 09.06.2007 16:31 |
*Queen*of*the*Twilight*Zone* wrote: Who cares what songs seem gay and what songs don't. Just as long as it's good music, it's good for me! Why do we always go around trying to dissect songs? Freddie and the rest of Queen wanted their songs to reflect YOUR own life and experiences. I have spoken.I agree with you and everyone else who thinks so as I have exactly the same opinion; even if I noticed with the time that my naiveness and 'good-heartedness' in general may seem weak or ridiculous in the 'real' complex world 'outside there', I'm still optimist and believe that one beautiful day the majority of the people will think this way and live without prejudice, in peace. |
| Armando Alejandro Estrada 09.06.2007 21:55 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...I think you're right. It's something I didn't know. Of course I was not in Freddie's shoes and while you don't become gay, you born gay, maybe in a twisted way it fucked up Freddie (no pun intended) it made it impossible for Freddie to have relationship a relation with a woman because he felt guilty and maybe thought that the only thing he deserved was to be mistreated by man and treated like a bitch. Like many raped girls and boys he was very promisceous and I'm sure he hated men even if he fucked them like shit. Raped people tend to live that kind of life like a sort of retaliation. Oh, and another thing is that they have a lot of partners is because...they want to DIE. They suffer a lot. It would explain why Freddie died at only 45. But it's suppositions. |
| steven 35638 09.06.2007 22:40 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote:Thank you...it's certainly something we don't often hear about on Queenzone. I think it's an important part of the man we admire so much, however I'm sure it's something Freddie Mercury didn't want his fans to hear about. He was a very private man.<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:It is written in the book 'Living on the Edge' by David Bret as a link with a description of the book states: link I sadly don't managed to purchase the book yet, but I really like to to have a '200 percent' confirmation. Another source I found is a quite mysterious page, but I wrote an e-mail to the author and she confirmed it to me as well; the page is: link There are even hints in some quotes in interviews; for example Brian's quote regarding Bohemian Rhapsody: “Freddie was a very complex person: flippant and funny on the surface, but he concealed insecurities and problems in squaring up his life with his childhood. He never explained the lyrics, but I think he put a lot of himself into that song.” As far as Freddie is concerned admitting it I think he never have, because I imagine it would have been too painful; however I found an early interview - again with hints; it's an NME article by Julie Webb (1974) (last paragraphes): link Personally, I have wished that this terrible thing has never happened, but if it has, it explains a lot regarding Freddie's somehow tragic life...<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: I have to second that (with humour ;) ). On the other hand (concerning this serious topic); IF Freddie and Queen were making hints in their songs on sexuality and particularly homosexuality - no matter if consciously or not - then I would fully understand it. In the end, imagine YOU were sexually abused like Freddie as a teenager in boarding school - it would, tragically, have a deep impact on your whole life. As I'm growing older (will be 19 this summer) and gaining experience in this sometimes (or often?) brute world of 'grown ups' I understand much more of sexuality... do you KNOW what is going on even in the opera business (where my parents as singers are constantly present)? I won't mention any names, but some very famous stars have to f*ck some highly important opera directors or managers to get a job and/or to sing in a famous opera house. Sorry for the tone, but I just had to say it and break the taboo.That is interesting to say the least (regarding the opera business). Anyway, I happen to be aware of Freddie's sexual abusement while at the all boys boarding school. However, do any of you know if there is any evidence of it ever happening? Like an interview or something said in one of the Queen biography books. Even at that, did Freddie Mercury ever admit to this? However, I'm not sure if I'm fully convinced that Freddie Mercury was abused as a child. I'm not sure if I'll ever believe it, the man seemed way too happy throughout his life...even at the lowest moments in his short yet meaningful life. |
| Kiki2 11.06.2007 06:14 |
That's all? A web page written by God knows who? Any serious biograph wouldn't agree to answer to stupid questions such as "Where You Raped By Your Father???" "how it was like to make love with Freddie?" (I'm not inventing, look at this page!!). Those people, both the persons who ask and the person who answers are just fucking idiots who only are interested in dreary and morbid details. I can't believe that some people like you promote and believe in what they say. That's NOT because it is written in a book that it IS true! They can't be taken seriously! The proof is that the person claims to know where Freddie is buried... ahem... We have some official biographies and that's enough! Stop wanting to know what is favorite sex position was, if it was painful when he died... And for God sake stop believing that if someone is homosexual, it's only because he has been raped. That's an old 1820 vision of homosexuality and I like to think that humanity evolved since then. |
| steven 35638 11.06.2007 09:17 |
Kiki2 wrote: That's all? A web page written by God knows who? Any serious biograph wouldn't agree to answer to stupid questions such as "Where You Raped By Your Father???" "how it was like to make love with Freddie?" (I'm not inventing, look at this page!!). Those people, both the persons who ask and the person who answers are just fucking idiots who only are interested in dreary and morbid details. I can't believe that some people like you promote and believe in what they say. That's NOT because it is written in a book that it IS true! They can't be taken seriously! The proof is that the person claims to know where Freddie is buried... ahem... We have some official biographies and that's enough! Stop wanting to know what is favorite sex position was, if it was painful when he died... And for God sake stop believing that if someone is homosexual, it's only because he has been raped. That's an old 1820 vision of homosexuality and I like to think that humanity evolved since then.I'm sure we all appreciate your contribution, as I'm sure some people hadn't thought of this, but the way you came accross was not only obnoxious, but it was also egotistical. "Hey guys! Look at me, I know something you don't know!" I'm not trying to be mean either, I think you should be aware of the way you're coming across. If you have something useful to say, why not just say it? And not call everybody an "idiot" for maybe not having been knowledgeable of the idea you thought up. What you could have said was something like this: I understand why some of you people might believe this, but you should also be aware of the fact that these are only internet sources. I don't suggest trusting them 100%. Also, why not just read the official biographies and go by what Freddie Mercury has said about his life? Those, in my opinion, are the only trust worthy sources to obtain real facts about Freddie Mercury and Queen. There you have it. You can ignore me if you wish to, you can even beat me down with childish retaliations, or you could actually take advantage of what I've said for future discussions. It is up to you, my friend. Take it or leave it. |
| AlexRocks 11.06.2007 16:41 |
Is "Jesus" from "Queen I" not about falacio? (Or oral sex however you spell it). "All going down, all going down." |
| goinback 11.06.2007 16:49 |
The people who are so adamant about Freddie's sexuality not being a big deal always then say we shouldn't discuss it and just enjoy the music. If it's truly not a big deal, then what's the harm in discussing it? |
| Kiki2 12.06.2007 12:29 |
Ok so sorry but it is about the fifth time that someone gives me a link to this website. So many people trust what they read on the internet. And I rather was angry against the people who wrote this page (that is them that I called "fucking idiots" not you of course. What's more, I think that your main question (gay themes in queen songs) can be interesting). It is full of huuuge mistakes and I can't stand to see this website promoted by people who say that they respect Freddie. It's just the way people talk about this. To analyse some lyrics can be fun but when it comes to things like "who gave him AIDS" I go crazy, I just can't help it. "Those, in my opinion, are the only trust worthy sources to obtain real facts about Freddie Mercury and Queen." I'm glad to read this. So we could now stop to give attention to the website we talked about. Then again, you are not the "idiot", I was talking about the person(s?) who made he website and I'm sorry if you tought it was you. (on the contrary I absolutely do not regret what I said about this person, I even think that I was being too kind) |
| steven 35638 12.06.2007 13:03 |
^Glad to hear it. :) |
| Poo, again 12.06.2007 16:05 |
So, he was gay. Who gives a fuck? It's all good music. |
| gnomo 13.06.2007 04:37 |
... dim recollections of an interview where Brian mentioned complaining to Freddie, during some studio session, that Freddie's songwriting was beginning to lean too explicitly towards homosexuality, while the band had always strived to make their songs readable "both ways" that far ... No idea where and when the interview was, though... |
| steven 35638 16.06.2007 00:36 |
^I'm very intrigued by what you've just said. Personally, I've probably seen most if not all of the interviews that the general public can obtain and have not once heard Brian May say anything like that. If you ever get the slightest realization of where you might have heard it from please let us know! |
| The Head Shredder 19.06.2007 19:38 |
yes, please do because that sounds very interesting |
| gnomo 20.06.2007 02:58 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: If you ever get the slightest realization of where you might have heard it from please let us know!It was surely in writing and on the Web, several months ago. No longer sure it was an interview, though, because I generally save interviews and articles on my PC, but I could not find it there. Must have been a note on his Soapbox - possibly about Body Language. Can't check at the moment, sorry. |
| tarik 20.06.2007 05:48 |
hmmm, the homosexual signs in queen music, ok let's see, well in don't stop me now, you can hear i wanna make a supersonic man outta you, that's definetely gay, las palabras de amor is not gay but 100% refers to sex when it goes: despacito mi amor which means slowly my dear, apparently hahaha freddie was very agressive in his way to make love meaning very macho, body language is very sexual too....anyway it's obvious that mercury was gay not because of these signs but everybody knows hes got many male lovers, and anyone with an iq over 15 would guess freddie was gay just by watching live at wembley 85. |
| gnomo 20.06.2007 08:08 |
Bingo! It was actually an interview, that I read on BM.com: [link Guitar World Magazine (US), Oct 1998, "A KIND OF MAGIC" Relevant paragraphs: #################################### GW: (...) But what was it like early on, with Freddie being a gay man in the macho world of Seventies rock? MAY: (...) So there was a period in his life when he was seemingly completely blown away by it all. (...) But it didn't really change our relationship with him very much. (...) But from the 'Jazz' album onwards, it would always cross my mind. Because I would be writing words for Freddie to sing. And it became a little game for me to write stuff for him which would make sense whichever way he saw it. GW: So your writing acquired a kind of ... MAY: Yeah, another dimension. In fact, I can remember having a go at Freddie because some of the stuff he was writing was very definitely on the gay side. I remember saying, "It would be nice if this stuff could be universally applicable, because we have friends out there of every persuasion." It's nice to involve people. What it's not nice to do is rope people out. And I felt kind of roped out by something that was very overtly a gay anthem, like 'Body Language' [Hot Space, 1982]. I thought it was very hard to take that in the other way. It's hard to talk about this. But there you go. #################################### HTH |
| steven 35638 20.06.2007 10:51 |
^Thanks! |
| ScottChegg 20.06.2007 19:44 |
But Freddie was a Bisexual man and not a gay, and i susspect that he was confused really anywway |
| goinback 21.06.2007 16:06 |
*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme.... God sakes get a life to any one who thinks just cos a song sounds gay doesnt mean its about gayness.Wouldn't "I suck your mind, you blow my head" be about gayness?!? |
| deleted user 21.06.2007 16:50 |
Well, I got the giggle I thought I would. I don't know, I think it can only hurt a song to try to tack a "meaning" on to it. And sometimes, when you know the 'real' meaning of a song - you find out that it's boring and not what you had hoped for. So I'm very much grateful they didn't blab about the "real meaning". The songs mean many things to people. The reviewer called "We Are the Champions" a "gay anthem" - in the description of Queen on some store's catalogue. I can easily take it any other number of ways, being maybe about the band or about finding where you want to go or winning against bad odds. And they can mean different things to the same person, depending on how they feel. "My Fairy King" made me think some things once, and relate them to his supposed life. And right or wrong, I felt sick for a moment and then got a really nice drawing out of the whole thing. Still my one of my favourite drawings, and that was maybe a year ago. If you go looking for "homosexual themes" - you will see them all over the place, just as if you went looking for witches way-back-when. |
| Micrówave 21.06.2007 17:22 |
*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme....Okay, then explain the entire Erasure catalog, "Relax" (Frankie), Pump Up The Jam, etc. |
| goinback 22.06.2007 16:49 |
*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote:Unless that woman has a penis, there's no way to suck her mind. Sorry to be so graphic, but...you asked! :)goinback wrote:Thats not really a theme that the song is based on. And that can also be the actions of a man and women. Its like saying if you watch a movie and they mention gay sex in there once, that doesnt mean the movie is all about being gay.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme.... God sakes get a life to any one who thinks just cos a song sounds gay doesnt mean its about gayness.Wouldn't "I suck your mind, you blow my head" be about gayness?!? |
| tarik 26.06.2007 10:17 |
yes freddie was gay, so what! it's his choice, and i tell you this, there are more assholes in the straight comunity than the homo comunity. |
| steven 35638 26.06.2007 12:09 |
goinback wrote:How do you suck one's mind and interpret that as being someone's penis? There are other ways to interpret that lyric.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote:Unless that woman has a penis, there's no way to suck her mind. Sorry to be so graphic, but...you asked! :)goinback wrote:Thats not really a theme that the song is based on. And that can also be the actions of a man and women. Its like saying if you watch a movie and they mention gay sex in there once, that doesnt mean the movie is all about being gay.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme.... God sakes get a life to any one who thinks just cos a song sounds gay doesnt mean its about gayness.Wouldn't "I suck your mind, you blow my head" be about gayness?!? It could be meant as "brainwashing" the female into giving him some pleasure. |
| goinback 27.06.2007 04:09 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:Mind=Penis. Sucking one's mind = "Brain Salad Surgery" which is slang for performing oral sex on a penis. Sorry that's just what it means. It doesn't bother me, I'm just explaining the term...I think it's cool and edgy, which is why I like '70s Queen better. I don't understand why people seem scared to death that there might be a homosexual reference in a Queen song.goinback wrote:How do you suck one's mind and interpret that as being someone's penis? There are other ways to interpret that lyric. It could be meant as "brainwashing" the female into giving him some pleasure.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote:Unless that woman has a penis, there's no way to suck her mind. Sorry to be so graphic, but...you asked! :)goinback wrote:Thats not really a theme that the song is based on. And that can also be the actions of a man and women. Its like saying if you watch a movie and they mention gay sex in there once, that doesnt mean the movie is all about being gay.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme.... God sakes get a life to any one who thinks just cos a song sounds gay doesnt mean its about gayness.Wouldn't "I suck your mind, you blow my head" be about gayness?!? |
| goinback 27.06.2007 04:13 |
By the way, some of the posts have somehow gone out of order. "Freddie" (in fancy lettering) just responded to my last post and it ended up way up on the page in the middle of other posts, then I replied to it (my entry beginning "Mind=Penis") and that ended up way up the page after the other incorrectly placed entry. The posts are now out-of-sequence. Maybe we should all just give up on this thread :) |
| steven 35638 27.06.2007 14:16 |
goinback wrote:Fair enough. I never knew that before actually. Thanks for the insight.<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote:Mind=Penis. Sucking one's mind = "Brain Salad Surgery" which is slang for performing oral sex on a penis. Sorry that's just what it means. It doesn't bother me, I'm just explaining the term...I think it's cool and edgy, which is why I like '70s Queen better. I don't understand why people seem scared to death that there might be a homosexual reference in a Queen song.goinback wrote:How do you suck one's mind and interpret that as being someone's penis? There are other ways to interpret that lyric. It could be meant as "brainwashing" the female into giving him some pleasure.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote:Unless that woman has a penis, there's no way to suck her mind. Sorry to be so graphic, but...you asked! :)goinback wrote:Thats not really a theme that the song is based on. And that can also be the actions of a man and women. Its like saying if you watch a movie and they mention gay sex in there once, that doesnt mean the movie is all about being gay.*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: There is not one song with a gay theme.... God sakes get a life to any one who thinks just cos a song sounds gay doesnt mean its about gayness.Wouldn't "I suck your mind, you blow my head" be about gayness?!? |
| tarik 28.06.2007 05:24 |
yeah there is one, in don't stop me now freddie says, i wanna make a supersonic man outta you, well i think it's obvious. |
| tarik 28.06.2007 05:26 |
yeah there is one, in don't stop me now freddie says, i wanna make a supersonic man outta you, well i think it's obvious. |
| goinback 28.06.2007 23:10 |
*(azzadude)* ..GET DOWN MAKE LOVE! wrote: It doesn’t really bother me if there is a theme or there isn’t based on that topic. But, there is still not a song that is "theme" based on homosexuality. Maybe references to it, but nothing that embodies the theme from start to finish. DTMN might be referred to as one, but references alone shouldn’t really enable it.Get Down, Make Love and Body Language have gay elements, and the main theme of the songs are about sex...there's no reason to assume the rest of the songs are about heterosexuality (though they may be). I'm just saying, you're automatically assuming every song with a theme of sex or love is heterosexually-themed until proven otherwise. Who's to say a song isn't gay themed until proven otherwise? I'm not trying to be irritating or sound like a huge gay activist, just trying to raise some points :) Sometimes gay artists get weary of making works about love or sex vague and "universal" so that heterosexuals can relate. Gay people usually have to do this "translation" for every heterosexual song about love and sex, and sometimes it gets old. Sometimes I think Freddie would have liked to just write a song that was about being gay and wasn't meant to undergo the heterosexual translation, and I wonder if there are some songs where he went ahead and did that but we just haven't realized it. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 03.07.2007 23:51 |
tarik wrote: yeah there is one, in don't stop me now freddie says, i wanna make a supersonic man outta you, well i think it's obvious.But he also says he'll make a supersonic woman of you :P |
| Boy Thomas Raker 04.07.2007 15:17 |
Fat Bottomed Girls was supposed to be called Ass Humping Boys, but the record label refused to release it so they changed it. |
| steven 35638 05.07.2007 00:15 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:That's true.tarik wrote: yeah there is one, in don't stop me now freddie says, i wanna make a supersonic man outta you, well i think it's obvious.But he also says he'll make a supersonic woman of you :P |
| Miss Multiples aka colfarrell1 09.07.2007 15:11 |
I believe he was a sexual person.. He didn't care if the person he was having sex with was male,female,transexual,Whatever! Yes! At the Freddie Mercury Tribute,George Michael stated Freddie was most likely bisexual. "All my lovers asked me why they couldn't replace Mary but it's simply impossible. The only friend I've got is Mary and I don't want anybody else. To me, she was my common-law wife. To me, it was a marriage. We believe in each other, thats enough for me. I couldn't fall in love with a man the same way as I have with Mary." (On Mary Austin, late 70s interview) As for who he had sex with? I believe he was with men,women,transexuals.. Men are easier to have sex with because they don't have any qualms about it.. "Woman are like modern paintings. You can't enjoy them, if you try to understand them" I'm done with my rant |
| deleted user 09.07.2007 16:13 |
I don't know if this counts as a Queen song, but I Was Born To Love You has an ambiguous feel to it, as though it could go either way. "You are the one for me, I am the man for you." In this context, the speaker (Freddie) could be referring to a male or female for one is just a reference to a person, obviously not pinpointing a sex. Personally, I agree with some posters: if you over-analyze the songs, they lose what they mean to you. That example was just most conspicuous to me (among others mentioned already). |
| little.queenie 37630 10.07.2007 09:30 |
David Jones wrote: Don't you think a group of four lads called "Queen" is a bit of a give away?Haha thats a good one! |
| inmydefence 11.07.2007 20:09 |
<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: Ram It Down, Point of Entry, Turbo Lover... ...Oh wait, wrong band. Still one of my favorites anyway...LOL!!! yes! i have noticed that too! only even MORE gay is the name "star breaker"! also a priest number |
| inmydefence 11.07.2007 20:15 |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote:I believe that number was written by Freddie AND John. so either of them could have written that line. and i certainly have never thought of it as gay. a great song in my opinion<font color=plum>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote: I don't think about that. I just enjoy the music. :PBingo! That's the spirit! :D To be true, it did once affect the music in a not-so-good fashion, IMHO. On One Year of Love there is a certain Freddie cry that I just don't see any reasonable musical reason for ("I'm a prisoner of looooove insiiide yooou.."). That was too much, IMHO, but, hey, the guy is responsible for a lot of my life's meaning, so... let him shout the way he wants to, whenever he feels like. Bless you, "dear". Cheers, Ogre- |
| little.queenie 37630 12.07.2007 12:02 |
Well bycicl race was written by Freddie after a little relationship with a tour de france cyclist, so I guess that could count! |