AmeriQueen 29.05.2007 02:24 |
You would think after hearing Brian do the same thing over and over again, and specifically in hearing the Wembley '86 Brighton Rock exactly the same aproximately 200 times or more in my life, you woult think just maybe it would grow a tad old. It's the greatest anomoly of always, ALWAYS hitting me like a truck the way it did the first time and on. It must be audio-chemical if that's a word. My biggest Queen live fear is that Brian will one day get bored with it and start going for more traditional solos. That 3 part repeat is pure grade A heroin to my eardrums. No point here, just felt like voicing random praise for Queen's ultimate musical masterpiece, in my opinion. |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 06:09 |
I think Brian will keep playing it until the day he dies. I've never been so thrilled about the solo, but I love the song (the rest of it), what an underrated masterpiece! |
you_rock_my_socks06 29.05.2007 08:15 |
That song does indeed rock :) Plus my name is in it :D Jenny by the way and not Jimmy lol |
Micrówave 29.05.2007 12:46 |
Too much delay can be |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 14:41 |
As a matter of fact, I happen to like those echo etudes loads, but I think the one in 'Brighton Rock' (especially the studio version) is notably below Brian's limits. IMHO. |
Micrówave 29.05.2007 14:54 |
...a bad thing, but not in Brighton Rock. |
tarik 29.05.2007 16:14 |
hello there, well i think that brighton rock doesn't reflect the real talent of brian, anyway it's a good instrumental song but it's definetely not a song that made queen as huge as they were. |
brian-harold-may 26643 29.05.2007 16:51 |
All of you people saying it doesn't reflect brians talent, or that it is below him...i can hazard a guess you dont play guitar. it is a very complex arrangement and you have to be on your toes pretty much the whole time playing/improvising this piece. it isnt just a case of playing anything willy nilly. It has to be in key and harmonize and in time otherwise it just wont work. if you make a mistake and play a song that is out of the key, which i have seen brian do many a time, yo have to think quickly and change key and go with that. it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be. |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 18:10 |
I've never said it's simple. I'm saying that, good as it is, it's below Brian's limits. He could do better (which doesn't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or whatever). |
brian-harold-may 26643 29.05.2007 19:44 |
define better, what do you think would be better? i am curious |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 01:10 |
I can play that with my cock. Try Malmsteen's violin etude. Now THAT'S hard and way more complex. Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 01:24 |
No, my cock is like half a plectrum... but thinner. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 02:19 |
yes, but the thing is that I like old men. |
mike hunt 30.05.2007 05:01 |
Sebastian wrote: I've never said it's simple. I'm saying that, good as it is, it's below Brian's limits. He could do better (which doesn't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or whatever).I'm sure brian will lose sleep because the great sebastion thinks brighton rock is below his limits. Queenzone is becoming a joke!...we need the old timers back, you know, the older queen fans. |
Sebastian 30.05.2007 07:30 |
I don't think he'll lose sleep, but I couldn't care less. I don't think 'Brighton Rock' solo is simple or mediocre, but I DO think Brian could have done something more melodic (such as many superb solos he's done throughout the years) and original than that. If you disagree, that's all right, but I don't see why do people have to make personal attacks such as "if you say so, you don't play guitar" or employ sarcasm. |
FriedChicken 30.05.2007 07:37 |
Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.05.2007 10:22 |
I don't get this thing about playing below his limits. On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song. It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!) If there are limits that people should be reaching, then we could pick apart every song by every artist. For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC? It's like the quote in the movie Amadeus when someone tells Mozart his piece has too many notes, and he smiles and asks the person which ones they would take out. Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song. |
Sebastian 30.05.2007 13:26 |
> Maybe you should start a band Sebastian :-P I'm too selfish for that. Plus I wouldn't be able to find the time. > On SHA, Brian had constructed the solo in his head, and it was as part of a song. It could have been even earlier but I get your point. > It wasn't his intention to play way more notes than he usually did in a solo, it was to do something relatively new at the time (33 years ago mind you!) Yes and no. I don't think we'll ever know his intention, plus that wasn't THAT new IMO. On the other hand, the way he arranged it was rather original, but my "complaint" is that he could have done it better (especially the studio version). I think he used 80-85% of his skills there (or less), and that's not quite the Brian I'm used to listen. > For instance, Stone Cold Crazy is 248 BPM. Did Roger play below his limits on It's Late, or Sweet Lady, because he could play faster than he did on SCC? I don't think "limits" are restricted to "tempo". And a solo/interlude is different to a rhythm section of a song. Many times Brian did loads with just some few notes (e.g. 'Jealousy') and that was brill. The way he sets the mood in 'Days Of Our Lives' is extraordinary, and his gentle solo on 'Too Much Love' (BTTL version) is ace. But, in MY opinion, 'Brighton Rock' had the potential to have MORE than it did, and to be explored FURTHER. Brian simply stayed in his comfort zone for that one, which is A LITTLE disappointing for me. That said, I don't mean the solo is bad or mediocre or easy or oversimplified, I just mean it's below his limits, and it HAD/HAS the potential to be pushed BEYOND them. |
john bodega 30.05.2007 13:30 |
Goddamn!! So someone says the solo 'could be better'... you know, theoretically, if there is a 'best' Brian solo, then 'could be better' would apply to all the rest of them. Christ o' mighty.... Sebastian has a point. The scales in Brighton Rock aren't out of this world. Compared to a few of Brian's other arrangements, Brighton Rock is peanuts! I think. This doesn't lessen the song, this doesn't make for a personal attack on Queen. "could be better" does not mean "this sucks". Fucking hell! |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.05.2007 14:10 |
That's a fair comment Sebastian, I just feel that criteria could be applied to everything in the world. They say a song or piece of art is never finished, it's just put out to the world for their enjoyment. |
brian-harold-may 26643 30.05.2007 15:03 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: I can play that with my cock. Try Malmsteen's violin etude. Now THAT'S hard and way more complex. Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic. |
Sebastian 30.05.2007 17:32 |
Yngwie is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE than JUST technique. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 18:02 |
Brian-Harold-May wrote:Yngwie fucking Malmsteen is the feeling itself. Almost no one else can play with so much passion and emotion.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: I can play that with my cock. Try Malmsteen's violin etude. Now THAT'S hard and way more complex. Never really liked the solo on the original version... and hated the live solo, all the way.Malmsteen....please....he cant play guitar for shit, he has no feeling what so ever. you only have to look at his face whilst playing to see that. just a million notes a second for the sake of it. all theoretical and technical. Nothing real or organic. And his music is really hard to play... so that makes him a fucking guitar god above the 95% of the other guitarist. Plus, his arrangements are great and the harmonic content is excellent. Icarus Dream Suite is a great example. The guitar part that goes from 0:52 to 2:28 is FUCKING AMAZING. His intonation is perfect, his vibrato is out of this world, his phrasing is wonderful. AND THE MUSIC IS FUCKING GREAT What else could you ask from any other man? Amazing music, perfect performance. It doesn't get any better. You rather something else than Yngwie? It's ok, we're not suppossed to like the same things... but saying that he can't play for shit, it's not ignorant but insane. You should be locked in a cage. BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT NO ONE CAN BEAT THE GUITAR PLAYER FROM TREASURE MOMENT WHAT WAS HIS NAME AGAIN?? APOLLO CREED? |
FriedChicken 30.05.2007 18:44 |
damn, you really are stupid. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 19:17 |
I'm so sorry I can't make shitty rap music like you. I won't be able to sleep at night. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 20:52 |
Boy Thomas Raker wrote: It's like the quote in the movie Amadeus when someone tells Mozart his piece has too many notes, and he smiles and asks the person which ones they would take out.Actually, it's the opposite. In that scene, Mozart feels like he's doing his best and people doesn't apreciate it. This is different, what Sebastian said is that Brian could do something better. Maybe not more complex, maybe not more fast, maybe not with more or less delays... but the solo itself, it's not a great one. Brian can do MUCH better than that. And it's ok, we all kinda like the solo... some do more, some do less. But I think we should agree that Brighton Rock is far below Brian's limits. It's not an amazing piece of work either. A nice solo with delays, creating the multi layer thing. But certainly not the masterpiece that some people think it is. Boy Thomas Raker wrote: Queen always played for the song, and virtually always put their talents aside for the good of the song.If they put their talents aside, any song would be shit. They do put their talents, otherwise they would suck and so would their songs. The thing about Queen is that as they got more complex and pompous... they got better! They knew how to do it when they had to. As the years went by, they got more lazy and stupid. Nowadays, Dr Wigs and his partner-in-crime Mr Bulldog-face think that playing Tie Your Mother Down and Fat Bottomed Girls represents Queen. |
Sebastian 30.05.2007 21:20 |
LOL, Mr Bulldog-face, I'm gonna steal that nick... |
RoyThomasBaker 30.05.2007 21:32 |
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: No, my cock is like half a plectrum... but thinner.Well now, is it in Flac or Mp3? Please upload anyway! |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 21:57 |
You could ask Steve Howe. |
Boy Thomas Raker 30.05.2007 23:09 |
Memory fails me so I'll agree with your interpretation on the Mozart scene, VSS. When I say they put their talents aside, I mean "guitar hero", "drum hero" talents, etc. If Yngwie Malmsteen were in Queen, a song like Who Needs You would have a ripping 32 bar classically influenced solo, just so we would know he had the chops. Brian wasn't that type of player, Freddie didn't do the Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston thing of extending one note for four bars to prove he had vocal power, and Roger didn't need to have amazing fills in every song to show off his skills. So when I say they didn't reveal their talents, I mean in a show offy, virtuoso sense. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 23:24 |
Oh, I see. I agree, then =) |
Donna13 31.05.2007 17:35 |
*(azzadude)* wrote: Well...... Dont forget when this solo came out...... Were any of us alive then?????? I'd like to hear from the people who were alive and here what it was like then, before the 80's came and we were bombarded with solo's left, right and centre.... so, would the real queen fans please, stand up, please stand up, would the real queen fans please stand up, please stand upI used to listen to it over and over at very high volume. What did you say? |
tarik 03.06.2007 06:06 |
what are ub trying to say donna, i mean your message is just weird, yeah i was alive in the seventies, and back then everything sucked exept queen, led zeppelin, the beatles, to my ears i mean. |
Donna13 04.06.2007 17:32 |
tarik wrote: what are ub trying to say donna, i mean your message is just weird, yeah i was alive in the seventies, and back then everything sucked exept queen, led zeppelin, the beatles, to my ears i mean.Everything got stuck to your ears? Did you try rubbing alcohol? You have to be careful about who you let use your headphones, I think. |
tarik 07.06.2007 18:27 |
donna, donna, i wasjust joking, don't get mad dear, no need to fight for this,i meant in the 70s rock n roll sucked exept acdc queen alice cooper led zepellin black sabbath and of course pink floyd. |
Donna13 07.06.2007 21:14 |
tarik wrote: donna, donna, i wasjust joking, don't get mad dear, no need to fight for this,i meant in the 70s rock n roll sucked exept acdc queen alice cooper led zepellin black sabbath and of course pink floyd.I was trying to be funny and you thought I was weird, then I thought you were mad, then I tried to be funny, but you were trying to be funny all along, and you thought I was mad and I didn't get it. Ahh ha ha ha ha. Well, anyway, I agree that Led Zep and ACDC were really good. How about Aerosmith? I was extremely impressed when I first heard Sweet Emotion. (But anyway, back on topic, I did listen to Brighton Rock over and over at high volume - my parents put up with this phase with no complaints). |
tarik 13.06.2007 06:21 |
you got very cool parents donna, yeah aerosmith were outstanding, crazy is definetely my favorite song and liv tyler and the other girl are freaky hot in the video, listen forget about brighton rock, the queen difference is being able to mix opera and rock like in somebody to love, that's my favorite song, and when i think about it, it's just the best song ive ever heard in my life. |
Matias Merçeauroix 13.06.2007 08:07 |
opera and rock in somebody to love? Either you're a motherfucking idiot or I've been listening to the wrong song for years. |
john bodega 13.06.2007 08:17 |
Maybe they mean ersatz gospel? No.... no that'd just be crazy! |
deleted user 13.06.2007 10:30 |
AmeriQueen wrote: You would think after hearing Brian do the same thing over and over again, and specifically in hearing the Wembley '86 Brighton Rock exactly the same aproximately 200 times or more in my life, you woult think just maybe it would grow a tad old. My biggest Queen live fear is that Brian will one day get bored with it and start going for more traditional solos. That 3 part repeat is pure grade A heroin to my eardrums.I know!!! Especially about the herion thing!! That echo is GENIUS!!!!!! And the falsetto... AHHH!!! I don't think Bri will ever stop playing it. :) |
tarik 14.06.2007 05:14 |
hey valensian sky surveillance, who do you think you are to insult me, you don't even know me, we are here just to discuss, but if you wanna play the tough guy, alright, then you can suck my dick, fuckhead. |
Donna13 14.06.2007 08:47 |
I realize that the guitar solo is what most people think about with Brighton Rock, but to me it was Freddie's vocal that always stood out. That was my first Queen record (Sheer Heart Attack) and that song is what convinced me that Freddie had a great voice. And that combined with Killer Queen would be enough to know that their music was really fun (not too serious like most rock music at that time). They were on such a different level. And the tune was great, of course. Very catchy. |
Matias Merçeauroix 14.06.2007 10:44 |
tarik wrote: hey valensian sky surveillance, who do you think you are to insult me, you don't even know me, we are here just to discuss, but if you wanna play the tough guy, alright, then you can suck my dick, fuckhead.no |
thomasquinn 32989 14.06.2007 11:07 |
Brian-Harold-May wrote: All of you people saying it doesn't reflect brians talent, or that it is below him...i can hazard a guess you dont play guitar. it is a very complex arrangement and you have to be on your toes pretty much the whole time playing/improvising this piece. it isnt just a case of playing anything willy nilly. It has to be in key and harmonize and in time otherwise it just wont work. if you make a mistake and play a song that is out of the key, which i have seen brian do many a time, yo have to think quickly and change key and go with that. it isn't as simple as you are making it out to be.I play the guitar. It is that easy. It's mostly an exposition of effects, not skill. |