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When QueenZone shut down in November 2020 I have decided to save the database of forum posts and make it available to public. The forum will never become active again but it's available for fulltext search. All the posts since late 2004 (except for spam) are here and I'd like to remind you some of the best discussions. John S Stuart's posts about the Queen catalogue, Thor Arnold's posts about Freddie's life and Barry Mitchell's or Justin Shirley-Smith's interesting contributions are available here).

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5 discussions started by 'SkyeTV'

Queen and Deep Fake/Face-swap Videos - With technology advancing greatly and the advent o... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2020
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - First, Mooghead starts a thread dedicated to me. I... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
Live Video Compilation Ideas - Rare Live was woeful we know that much.But if you ... by SkyeTV on 08.08.2018
heap of shit for sale - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREDDIE-MERCURY-SOLO-COL... by SkyeTV on 19.06.2014
Video Editing Software - I have a few videos I'd like to sharpen up a littl... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014

189 posts by user 'SkyeTV'

Queen-Live In Leiden: 6.12.1986 One Vision AI Remaster - It's not great, Freddie looks like a shapeshifter.... by SkyeTV on 23.05.2020
Rainbow 31th March Photo Collection - This is all great, Scandal. Thank you :) Sorry... by SkyeTV on 03.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - You think? ... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - So you want to dismiss advice that in order to get... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
Rainbow 31th March Photo Collection - I have been here longer than you think and you're ... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
Rainbow 31th March Photo Collection - In absence of a decent counter-argument, you'v... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - It does matter, because you want good discussi... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
Rainbow 31th March Photo Collection - Nobody disrespected your opinion, I just told ... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - I'm not the troll, idiot. Why can't you just admit... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - No idiot, it doesn't. Not in the title, not in... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
Rainbow 31th March Photo Collection - Nobody asked for your opinion, idiot... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
QUEEN BEST SELLING ARTISTS OF 2019 - 1 - Wrong forum, idiot 2 - You didn't say it was ... by SkyeTV on 01.05.2020
Gimp suit - Yeah, and when it's all over, FJ goes back to watc... by SkyeTV on 15.04.2020
Queen Marquee Club broadcast on BBC Radio 1 back in the 80s - I really can't see it being one of the most sought... by SkyeTV on 14.04.2020
How to make this forum great - If Freddie Jupiter had read my last post to him, a... by SkyeTV on 12.04.2020
How to make this forum great - ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ... by SkyeTV on 12.04.2020
... - Hahaha... by SkyeTV on 11.04.2020
How to make this forum great - You clearly did try to join, but were banned. ... by SkyeTV on 11.04.2020
How to make this forum great - Why did you try and join his forum then?... by SkyeTV on 11.04.2020
How to make this forum great - LOL, you're an utter buffoon. You have heard t... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - Trying to spin it around isn't going to work. You'... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
... - "What is the point of been a Queen fan if you thin... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - He now cries "intellectual dishonesty" just a few ... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - Spoken to them all, have you? ... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
If Queen had not been around which band's web site would you be on now? - Well, please say what you mean and mean what you s... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
If Queen had not been around which band's web site would you be on now? - But what you're talking about, and what is reality... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - Do you think you doing the same makes you bett... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - They went to HIS new forum. How's that leaving... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - That's just a get-out. Be the change you wish ... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
How to make this forum great - Semantics. Yeah, you did say "principles", tha... by SkyeTV on 10.04.2020
... - Had a look, and the new forum looks good, it has f... by SkyeTV on 09.04.2020
Queen and Deep Fake/Face-swap Videos - Oh. That's actually a better idea. ... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2020
Queen and Deep Fake/Face-swap Videos - With technology advancing greatly and the advent o... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2020
Brian and Covid-19 - You can only make babies with a female, and I ... by SkyeTV on 19.03.2020
Brian and Covid-19 - OMG. Who knew? ... by SkyeTV on 19.03.2020
Fleetwood Mac Live at Inglewood 1977 [Mike Millard Recording!] - Superb... by SkyeTV on 19.03.2020
Brian and Covid-19 - Nice of you to point that out. Who knew? ... by SkyeTV on 19.03.2020
More haters here for 'Never Let Me Down'? - No. One of the altar boys told me you have Coronav... by SkyeTV on 13.03.2020
Did Queen ever do "private" gigs? - I heard that the Q+AL incarnation played a very pr... by SkyeTV on 12.03.2020
More haters here for 'Never Let Me Down'? - No. SkyeTV has spoken. Long live Skye. ... by SkyeTV on 12.03.2020
Live '89 - Isn't there already multiple threads on the exact ... by SkyeTV on 16.01.2020
ANNOUNCE: The Cross - Live In Frankfurt 4/17/1988 - Not a big fan of The Cross, but might grab this fo... by SkyeTV on 16.01.2020
BBC Dracula - Thought it was very enjoyable. More the first ... by SkyeTV on 16.01.2020
John uncomfortable at the Freddie Tribute - Still a lot of infighting. I'd have thought after ... by SkyeTV on 06.05.2019
What is new on Dvd and Cd this year from Queen? - Who? That Bryan Ferry fella? ... by SkyeTV on 06.05.2019
ANNOUNCE: Live Killers + Japan 1979 ULTIMATE Compilation Special! - Thank you ... by SkyeTV on 06.05.2019
10 best deep cuts - I think my ten deep cuts would be 1 - Doing All... by SkyeTV on 09.12.2018
1979.12.03 Newcastle - upgrade - Wow, I've been gone a few weeks and I come back to... by SkyeTV on 09.12.2018
R.I.P. Pete Shelley - Yes, sad news indeed. ... by SkyeTV on 09.12.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - If it's all about getting the last word in, th... by SkyeTV on 04.09.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - No, I laughed at your "typo" (it wasn't, it wa... by SkyeTV on 03.09.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - I wasn't trying to be funny. You really are st... by SkyeTV on 03.09.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - You two really crack me up. Are you here all w... by SkyeTV on 01.09.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - LOL, tell me I'm repeating and then copy and paste... by SkyeTV on 25.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - I'd like to make a few points here. The first is t... by SkyeTV on 23.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - Your comments help a lot on that front, "baby"... by SkyeTV on 21.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - ...but probably is ;) ... by SkyeTV on 20.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - yeah, maybe just a step up from your dazzling resp... by SkyeTV on 20.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - not "too many" haha, just a couple here by the... by SkyeTV on 18.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - Well don't read it fairyqueen xD ... by SkyeTV on 18.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - No Dysan not your comments haha, some geezer c... by SkyeTV on 18.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Fully committed? You should be. ... by SkyeTV on 15.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Looks to me like Happystar has missed the point ag... by SkyeTV on 14.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - Well don't take it out on me. What exactly was you... by SkyeTV on 14.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Happystar, you still don't get it. I collect Beatl... by SkyeTV on 14.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Because Queen don't have to be your favourite band... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - For example, I love the Beatles, but Queen are my ... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - That's his opinion, you can be a fan of a band... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - Repeated post... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Your comments suggest otherwise. You tell people t... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
Is Queenzone Just a Big Playground for the Bewildered? - First, Mooghead starts a thread dedicated to me. I... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Happystar, Moog didn't open a thread about bad co... by SkyeTV on 13.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - happystar just bleats he dosent think, sheer stupi... by SkyeTV on 12.08.2018
What should we do with 'SkyeTV' - "new board character". I've been around for a few ... by SkyeTV on 12.08.2018
Loud noises and music makes my sister feels irritable - Thats a fair point, not the first time i've been a... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
Supposed errors in new Bo Rhap movie - Well there is that... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - i'm not the prat as you're the one who missed ... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - Exactly, and it's a pity that it flew right ov... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
Live Video Compilation Ideas - So did I haha, but time discussion and great s... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
Live Video Compilation Ideas - teehee i think i'll probably do it anyway but ... by SkyeTV on 10.08.2018
The Game was Queen's Greatest 80s Album? - I know. AIDS, eh? ... by SkyeTV on 09.08.2018
Live Video Compilation Ideas - Dysan, it was poorly edited and full of errors reg... by SkyeTV on 09.08.2018
Whatever Happened To John Deacon? - Is that the guy who presents Countryfile and used ... by SkyeTV on 08.08.2018
The five Queen albums you listen to least - I do believe that's what they call a pisstake, eh ... by SkyeTV on 08.08.2018
Live Video Compilation Ideas - Rare Live was woeful we know that much.But if you ... by SkyeTV on 08.08.2018
Satirical Freddie Mercury - Oh dear. I've not said anything here for a whil... by SkyeTV on 25.01.2018
Just for fun - your 'best of' Queen in track order - Or.... 1 - Innuendo 2 - A Kind Of Magic 3 - I... by SkyeTV on 27.08.2016
Just for fun - your 'best of' Queen in track order - Contrary to popular belief on this forum, "Made In... by SkyeTV on 27.08.2016
Did somebody saw this?? BR 40 anniversary promo CD - I saw it. Not sure why there'd be an acetate of t... by SkyeTV on 05.11.2015
Inside The Rhapsody - full documentary on youtube - Yes. All the Innuendo videos are yet to be releas... by SkyeTV on 05.11.2015
ANNOUNCE - Golders Green Hippodrome Vocal Restoration - Because someone asked for a reupload? Even if it... by SkyeTV on 05.11.2015
Apple iPhone 6 128GB.$399 - I'll swap you a copy of RT's best on yellow vinyl ... by SkyeTV on 31.10.2014
Best Of Roger Taylor Delayed. - HMV UK don't even have it on their system, let alo... by SkyeTV on 31.10.2014
Describe Freddie Mercury in one word - Superior... by SkyeTV on 31.10.2014
time after time - 0.45: Oasis – Swamp Song (or “Untitled” from... by SkyeTV on 29.10.2014
Who is the best singer in the world right now? - Yes and no. I could produce something original... by SkyeTV on 28.10.2014
Madrid 1979 report (processed) - Chief, I freaking love you :)... by SkyeTV on 19.10.2014
DoRo 1995 unreleased documentary (updated) - Hey Chief, I know that it's been said countless ti... by SkyeTV on 18.10.2014
New Queen(+) tracks VS new Pink Floyd single...Opinions? - Queen aren't relevant anymore. apart from the hard... by SkyeTV on 15.10.2014
12" Innuendo - lol holly. surely though, what it means is that th... by SkyeTV on 15.10.2014
I can't decide for a profile pic - Here is a picture of Freddie from 1969. A good sou... by SkyeTV on 11.10.2014
Rainbow 2CD £8.99 inc postage - I wasn't charged import duty. £37 in total from A... by SkyeTV on 05.10.2014
ANNOUNCE: BBC Radio 2 interview to Bri and Rog + 3 new Queen Forever tracks - Perfect Ale, thank you. Got it in about 30 seconds... by SkyeTV on 27.09.2014
ANNOUNCE: BBC Radio 2 interview to Bri and Rog + 3 new Queen Forever tracks - Tracks don't download :( Tried on three differe... by SkyeTV on 27.09.2014
Any one knows this??? - It's nothing special, and seen quite often in reco... by SkyeTV on 23.09.2014
Queen Hyde Park '76 silent 8 mm footage on ebay - Are you the seller, On My Way Up?... by SkyeTV on 02.09.2014
... - Why "unfortunately"? We shouldn't necessarily ... by SkyeTV on 02.09.2014
Freddie Mercury-Send In The Clowns - If this hadn't been leaked here, but had instead t... by SkyeTV on 02.09.2014
info about mini vinyl cd 2004 japan - 2004 collection is around £150. Perhaps £200 if ... by SkyeTV on 03.08.2014
original or fake mr bad guy mini vinyl? - It's an unofficial pressing from Russia. It was ne... by SkyeTV on 03.08.2014
What the heck???? - could be arranged. you can by mine, then.... by SkyeTV on 01.08.2014
Visiting Engerland - Go to Skye ;)... by SkyeTV on 29.07.2014
Rainbow SuperDeluxe box set for 34 pounds. - I missed the boat on the original price but ordere... by SkyeTV on 12.07.2014
Queen Autographed A Kind Of Magic Vinyl - Those are the worst ones I think I've seen. ... by SkyeTV on 11.07.2014
has anyone ever won a semi-final 7-1 ??? - WTF? Beta, don't you know that Neymar will be back... by SkyeTV on 11.07.2014
ANNOUNCE : Rainbow original cinema 35 mm film transfer - Thank you!... by SkyeTV on 02.07.2014
The best singer for Queen (actually) - This is true, Stelios. My thoughts on the matter e... by SkyeTV on 02.07.2014
The depths they sink to.... - pointless... by SkyeTV on 01.07.2014
sadly looking to sell some of my collection. - Had another look at the list, Michael. The things ... by SkyeTV on 01.07.2014
Freddie Mercury - The Video "leaked" bit on YouTube - Not if they don't have it.... by SkyeTV on 01.07.2014
Worst 3 films ever.... - I hate Braveheart with a passion. It is actually n... by SkyeTV on 30.06.2014
Freddie Bulsara on stage in 1969 - Why? It's a very heavily circulated picture, an... by SkyeTV on 29.06.2014
Dominion Theatre statue - Dunno. Let's hope so. It was a great addition to L... by SkyeTV on 26.06.2014
The best singer for Queen (actually) - I heard that Mark Chapman's a good shot. ... by SkyeTV on 26.06.2014
Dominion Theatre statue - I like the dramatic "torn" down phrase that ITV ha... by SkyeTV on 26.06.2014
ANNOUNCE: Queen + Adam Lambert - 2014/06/24 - Edmonton, AB, Canada - Thank you for the shares over the past couple of n... by SkyeTV on 25.06.2014
This is sooo saaad (aka another Queen+Lambert-bashing thread) - Beautiful. ... by SkyeTV on 25.06.2014
This is sooo saaad (aka another Queen+Lambert-bashing thread) - Hey Judi, don't make it bad - take a sad bunch, an... by SkyeTV on 24.06.2014
This is sooo saaad (aka another Queen+Lambert-bashing thread) - Is there a like button? I was just thinkin... by SkyeTV on 24.06.2014
Suarez..... - No one's biting......... by SkyeTV on 24.06.2014
The ballad of the Albino Alligator faced man (dedicated to inu-liger) - Cheap attempt at Bullying. Cheap attempt at Captai... by SkyeTV on 24.06.2014
Found a rare newspaper article on Freddie. - That said, that's from 1998 laws, so wouldn't have... by SkyeTV on 23.06.2014
Found a rare newspaper article on Freddie. - That's incorrect. If you wish to challenge a pictu... by SkyeTV on 23.06.2014
Found a rare newspaper article on Freddie. - You're right. It's not illegal for someone to ... by SkyeTV on 22.06.2014
What happened to this DVD release...? - I don't get what you mean by "what happened to it?... by SkyeTV on 22.06.2014
Norman Sheffield passed away - Yes, but it was in 1837, when £200 was a fortune.... by SkyeTV on 22.06.2014
heap of shit for sale - dunno why me link posted like that, sorry chaps an... by SkyeTV on 19.06.2014
heap of shit for sale - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREDDIE-MERCURY-SOLO-COL... by SkyeTV on 19.06.2014
Worst 3 films ever.... - I'd like to amend my list, by putting Uli Lommel's... by SkyeTV on 18.06.2014
Worst 3 films ever.... - 1 - Basket Case 3 2 - Basket Case 2 3 - Frankenh... by SkyeTV on 14.06.2014
Opinions From All You Football Fans - That was one of the biggest upsets I've ever seen ... by SkyeTV on 13.06.2014
Freddie Mercury 7" NECA Figure (Magic Tour) - They don't make it any more, so unless your local ... by SkyeTV on 13.06.2014
Opinions From All You Football Fans - My personal opinion of Landon Donovan is that his ... by SkyeTV on 09.06.2014
Queen Autographed A Kind Of Magic Vinyl - I wouldn't think that you could get authentication... by SkyeTV on 22.05.2014
hot space NY presentation second wave - Thanks again :)... by SkyeTV on 16.05.2014
1982 lyon show - Great stuff! Let me be the first to say thank you ... by SkyeTV on 16.05.2014
Queen in New York 1976 (logo removed) UPDATE! - Nice work. Personally, I don't go waxing lyric... by SkyeTV on 03.05.2014
Hyde Park - Neil, maybe my eyes just turn off at the sight of ... by SkyeTV on 03.05.2014
Hyde Park - Mr Aristide, why are you being so abrupt? Mr. R... by SkyeTV on 03.05.2014
Your Own Funeral Choose THREE Songs (another spin-off, spin-off thread) - In that case, I'd pick three songs from family guy... by SkyeTV on 03.04.2014
Video Editing Software - Thank you for that, Chief. I'm not up on the scri... by SkyeTV on 03.04.2014
Video Editing Software - I have a few videos I'd like to sharpen up a littl... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014
Your Desert Island Non-Queen Albums - change ONLY ONE from list above YOU - I think Pink Floyd is staying.... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014
1976-03-29 Osaka Afternoon (ZOOM LP) Direct transfer - Nice stuff - thanks :) But again, why the insu... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014
1974-11-20 London Rainbow (2 "new" sources) 35mm. rip & acetate rip - Thanks :)... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014
"Is it now acceptable to be homophobic on this site?" (Update: NO) - Oh dear. Not good at all.... by SkyeTV on 02.04.2014
post your 7 favorite films by category - Mr Z, I really love the story of Phantom of the Op... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2014
1974-03-31 40 years ago today : RAINBOW THEATRE , the best Queen Show ? - If I felt I had anything I could share with you, I... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2014
1974-03-31 40 years ago today : RAINBOW THEATRE , the best Queen Show ? - Thank you for sharing, it's very kind of you to do... by SkyeTV on 01.04.2014
Anyone ever thought how Freddie would have performed nowadays? - How would Freddie perform nowadays? That's very... by SkyeTV on 29.03.2014
post your 7 favorite films by category - If I went with Brenski's category swaps, I'd pick ... by SkyeTV on 29.03.2014
post your 7 favorite films by category - 1 - Back To The Future 2 - Romance? I don't do ro... by SkyeTV on 29.03.2014
The Darkness - I thought someone would say that - I actually ... by SkyeTV on 28.03.2014
The Darkness - No. Don't get me wrong, I liked the Darkness back ... by SkyeTV on 27.03.2014
Your Own Funeral Choose THREE Songs (another spin-off, spin-off thread) - 1 - as the people attending (mourners, folk celebr... by SkyeTV on 27.03.2014
Your must-have non Queen song - only 1 - David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust. ... by SkyeTV on 26.03.2014
Re-Upload Hammy 75 Snow Release - Ahhhh, OK. Many thanks!... by SkyeTV on 26.03.2014
Re-Upload Hammy 75 Snow Release - Stuck at 60.3%. Shame, as it really doesn't look a... by SkyeTV on 26.03.2014
warning.....beware..fake signed Races on catawiki. - I'm forever reporting what look to be fakes to eba... by SkyeTV on 26.03.2014
Re-Upload Hammy 75 Snow Release - Well, I've had a quick look and it doesn't look ba... by SkyeTV on 26.03.2014
Re-Upload Hammy 75 Snow Release - I think he's insulting you, ShineHedgehog (aristid... by SkyeTV on 25.03.2014
Re-Upload Hammy 75 Snow Release - In what way is it a bad DVD? ... by SkyeTV on 25.03.2014
One Night Of Queen from the Front Row - Rosemont, Illinois, USA, 3-21-14 - None of them are Australian. Gary is Scottish :)... by SkyeTV on 25.03.2014
Freddie Mercury Collection Sellers - please sell to me mr dysan san, I'll soon show you... by SkyeTV on 23.03.2014
Your Desert Island Non-Queen Albums - change ONLY ONE from list above YOU - The Beatles - Abbey Road Pink Floyd - Wish You We... by SkyeTV on 21.03.2014
Freddie Mercury Collection Sellers - It's not legal - it's fraud. The person who ha... by SkyeTV on 19.03.2014
Freddie Mercury Collection Sellers - Tell you what Lossless Join - I'll sell mine to yo... by SkyeTV on 18.03.2014
Freddie Mercury Collection Sellers - They've been spamming us with this message for a w... by SkyeTV on 18.03.2014
"Is it now acceptable to be homophobic on this site?" (Update: NO) - I think the site has more to worry about than homo... by SkyeTV on 16.03.2014
Independance Day - I know ;) Not sure same can be said for that Ho... by SkyeTV on 14.03.2014
Independance Day - Racial stereotypes on the 'zone? I'm shocked!... by SkyeTV on 13.03.2014
sadly looking to sell some of my collection. - I wouldn't dispute it for a moment, Mr. Darko, but... by SkyeTV on 12.03.2014
sadly looking to sell some of my collection. - Buyer protection, Michael. Paypal offers protectio... by SkyeTV on 11.03.2014
Queen - Brian May Disappointed By John Deacon's Movie Snub - That's a really good post although you maybe l... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013
Queen - Spaced Out - Demos & Outtakes (wav) torrent - Would be great to see in the future some sort of s... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013
Queen - Spaced Out - Demos & Outtakes (wav) torrent - Didn't meen to over-take your share. Got the stuf... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013
Queen - Brian May Disappointed By John Deacon's Movie Snub - I don't think John owes anyone anything and callin... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013
What A Bloody Mess ! - It's a shame the box ended up a mess, I was really... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013
An invaluable piece of memorabilia - I got excited when seeing this the first time,... by SkyeTV on 22.12.2013